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376 comments

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545725)

Egg Troll is still king of Slashdot, baby!!

YOU FAIL IT! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545864)

This is not the first post! You are a decaffeinated FAILURE!

YOU FAIL IT!

Big f-pee (-1, Offtopic)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545729)

Because the stories are boring me today, I've decided to waste some karma.

In other news...

Zzzzzz.....

Re:Big f-pee (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545855)

Karma's practically free, but that's not a reason to reduce the signal to noise level. I moved you from my friend list to foe list a while back. Now I just dumped every fan of yours, to get rid of your "friend of friend" bonus. I needed to free up some slot anyway, since I was at 200.

I wish slashdot just had kill files.

Re:Big f-pee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545912)

Karma's practically free, but that's not a reason to reduce the signal to noise level.

So whining to someone about signal to noise level is a reason to reduce the signal to noise level?

*cough*hypocrit*cough*

Hello, shithead! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545998)

Karma's practically free, but that's not a reason to reduce the signal to noise level.


You must read a different slashdot than I. There's nothing of any worth here, which is why I troll to decrease the signal/noise ratio even further. FK's post and yours both do the same thing, you hypocritical cunt.

Slashdot is sinking like the Titanic, and I'm just one member of the grand orchestra playing as her deck slips below the surface. Eat it, fuckstick.

-Me [slashdot.org]

Saddam Hussein, leader, dead at 54 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545742)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Iraqi president Saddam Hussein was found dead in his Baghdad presidential palace this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his oil, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an Iraqi icon.

Spam? I thought I was posting! (3, Funny)

chuckfirment (197857) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545774)

Spam comes in the form of unrequested text, right? So saying "FIRST POST" every time there's a new topic is simply a way of spamming Slashdot?

Chuck

Chuck, you ARE A first posting spammer! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545851)

You did, after all, make a first post and it contained the words "First Post".

If Slashdot had trollfilters, this message likely would have been caught!

Spamburgers for Hotmail (5, Interesting)

Kelz (611260) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545778)

I'm still wondering why when I have my hotmail filter set to "exclusive" (only recieve from those in my address book, which contains 10 addresses), I continue to get loads of spam each day in my inbox, including some very embarassing things that would cause my mom to faint if she walked in.

Re:Spamburgers for Hotmail (1)

SuDZ (450180) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545822)

I have actually had good luck with my hotmail account, yes I get some spam but once I setup a filter against it I pretty much dont see it again. And as far as the amount of it goes, I get maybe 2 spams a day there compared to an old AOL account that gets about 25 -30 a day still.

SuDZ

Re:Spamburgers for Hotmail (2, Interesting)

beerman2k (521609) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545849)

That worked for me for a while, but then I maxed out the 256 address banning limit. Now I'm back up to about 30 spams a day on that account.
Oh well.

Re:Spamburgers for Hotmail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545910)

You can set up a "blocked" list, but you can also set up an exclusive "accept" list - but of course, this means you can only get mail from people you know about before hand.

happy 1.3 user (4, Interesting)

aoteoroa (596031) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545895)

The promised junk mail control for Mozilla is finally here and I'm loving it. The wait was almost unbearable because all the other guys in the office have had spam filters with their OSX email client for months. I was tempted to switch. But now mail comes in and gets whisked away to the junk folder almost immediatly. It's a beautiful thing.

Re:happy 1.3 user (3, Interesting)

doublem (118724) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545979)

I know what you mean. It's been so good at work that I'm going to use it at home and migrate all my Pegasus and Outlook Express mail to Mozilla 1.3

I did get a great laugh though. One of the sales guys wants to send out a renewal notice. I read the text and realized it was worded like a stereotypical SPAM. I raised objections, but was ignored.

Then the Mozilla SPAM filter caught it during the test phase.

The registration notice is now being rewritten. :)

Re:Spamburgers for Hotmail (2, Funny)

Rebel Patriot (540101) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545908)

I'm still wondering why when I have my hotmail filter set to "exclusive" (only recieve from those in my address book, which contains 10 addresses), I continue to get loads of spam each day in my inbox, including some very embarassing things that would cause my mom to faint if she walked in. Dude, you wouldn't have that problem if you didn't put those spammers in your address book!

huh... (1)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545973)

Well, when I set my spam-filters to exclusive I didn't get a single peice of email. of course I didn't have anyone in my address book.

Other amazing discoveries... (4, Funny)

psoriac (81188) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545779)

In other news, it was announced today that after careful study, researchers confirmed that fire is hot and pointy objects hurt.

Did they use IE? (4, Insightful)

da' WINS pimp (213867) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545782)

I never saw anything in their methodology about how the spam was analyzed. It would have been interesting to see what effect actually opening spam e-mail in a web enabled browser had on the recurrence rate.

I bet the web bugs would have kept the recurrences high even for addresses that were removed...

Re:Did they use IE? (1)

Gortbusters.org (637314) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545950)

Geh, clicking 'remove me' only begets more spam.

The Spam Fanclub is the orignin (1)

Aliencow (653119) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545785)

All these damn spam fanboys [spam.com] are ruining the net!

Re:The Spam Fanclub is the orignin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545858)


We do we blame spammers for spam?

If NO-ONE ever completed a transaction through an unwanted solicition, then spam would go away completely.

These people don't send spam for fun, they do it for profit, and if there was no profit, they wouldn't do it.
(God, do I ever sound profound.)

Re:The Spam Fanclub is the orignin (1)

Aliencow (653119) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545906)

It was just a shameless attempt at karma whoring. Can't always work. But seriously though, scammers, spammers, all of these scumbags rely on human stupidity. The only solution I see, is forcing people to pass an exam and get a license before they get an IP address.

Spammers are to blame for spam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545924)

"We do we blame spammers for spam? If NO-ONE ever completed a transaction through an unwanted solicition, then spam would go away completely."

Spammers are 100% to blame for the spam. Your argument is like saying that mugging victims are the cause of robberies because they dare to have money in their wallets.

Burn in Hell, Son of Spam! (3, Insightful)

ToadSprocket (628571) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545791)

To Internet users who complain that their e-mail inboxes are crammed with ads for products and services they would never purchase, Childs' response is, "Quit your whining. I'm asking you, how stressful is it to push the delete button? We have become a nation of crybabies."

I am sorry, smack me down if you must, but... Aaaahhhhhhhh!!!! Die Spammer, Die! Friggin White Trash sonsabitchin spammers. I feel slightly better now. Ready for Karma extraction.

Re:Burn in Hell, Son of Spam! (4, Funny)

ToadSprocket (628571) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545867)

And as for angry e-mails and junk mail, he said, "I can give as good as I get."

I smell a challenge.

How about, "Burn in Hell, Dirty Cop"? (4, Informative)

UberOogie (464002) | more than 11 years ago | (#5546055)

Actually, if you read carefully, this guy was a cop who got fired after being caught selling drugs.

Yeah, this guy is a real success story to be immitated.

Mirror (1, Informative)

delta407 (518868) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545794)

I managed to grab the PDF before the server was trampled by the swarming masses.

Mirror is here.

My spam research (5, Interesting)

sigxcpu (456479) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545796)

I just got a new domain.
Which means that every email to that domain goes to me.
Every time I give my Email online I give a diff name, for instance if I buy at yahoo I give "yahoo-shopping@mydomain.com".
If I get spam to this address I know who gave it to the spammers.
- only been doing this for a week, no spam so far but there is still hope ;-)

Note: I am not actively looking to be spamed, just doing my usual stuff.

Re:My spam research (2)

spamacon (239531) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545881)

That is exactly what I do. For a long while, no spam messages, but then things started coming to contact@mydomain.com, webmaster@mydomain.com, etc. So, I started sending any email to those addresses to /dev/null. Recently, however, I have started getting mail to kurt@mydomain.com, 1321239@mydomain.com, etc, which I can't just filter out, because it keeps changing. Crikey! What to do? Enjoy the silence...while it lasts....

Re:My spam research (1)

vinnythenose (214595) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545930)

You could create your safe list of email accounts.

Any addresses that you use for business or personal stuff. Then anything going to other email addresses on your domain (ie, moofoo@mydomain.com) sent to /dev/null.

As long as you don't have a massive and always changing user base with email addresses at your domain, you should be fine,

I would think...

Re:My spam research (1)

HermanZA (633358) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545961)

Use a negative filter: Only accept the stuff addressed to you and dump the rest. Even the simplest mail clients allow filtering and will execute these in top down order. So as the first filter, move mail to your address to another folder, then as a second filter, delete what is left. That will remove about 90% of all spam.

Re:My spam research (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545995)

I have a few domains like this. I like to set the fall-through address to forward to uce@ftc.gov.

On another domain I was getting hundreds of attempts daily at guessing email accounts from a machine in Brazil. I finally just blocked their entire /24 network (they used a range of IP addresses for their mail server) at the firewall.

Re:My spam research (2)

Ark42 (522144) | more than 11 years ago | (#5546006)

Dont use wildcard addresses, you must manually create a new email address every time you need to give one out. Its as easy as: echo virtualprefix-newemailaddress: realemailbox > /etc/aliases ; newaliases

Re:My spam research (5, Interesting)

Fluid Truth (100316) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545994)

That's a really common thing among my friends. Most of us use qmail, so we can receive mail to username-[anything]. Sign up for financial tracking with yahoo? Then it's username-yahoo@domain.tld Ask for info from buy.com? Use the address username-buy@domain.tld I bought stuff from x10 before they started being so darned annoying. Now, I throw away anything that comes to username-x10@domain.tld

It helps you track spam AND get rid of annoying companies' e-mails. :-) And best of all, you don't have to get your own domain for this. You can use your existing e-mail address with just a slight tweak to your qmail configuration.

Re:My spam research (1)

Ovidius (144915) | more than 11 years ago | (#5546028)

I've been doing this for a while (probably over two years) and I don't think I've ever once gotten spam to an address that I'd given when buying something online or registering with a website.

I still get a ton of spam because my email address can be found on a lot of web pages, but it at least gives me hope that people who are doing real business on the web are conducting themselves pretty well.

the two things I've seen increase spam for me... (5, Informative)

AssFace (118098) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545797)

1) Sign up on an internet gambling site.
2) Register a domain name.

I have multiple domain names and I know for certain that much of my spam originated from either scanning the whois database, or someone selling the e-mail addresses from there.

I don't gamble, but I noticed that the java applets that were used for 99% of the gambling sites were all from the same place. In other words, if you want to start a gambling site, but you don't want to write software - you can pay to use the java applets of this one company. There is some rebradning that goes on - but in the end, it all goes through their servers and uses their code.
Because of that, I figured if there were any holes in the software, that would mean a whole crapload of open spots out there. So out of curiosity I registered at a gambling site and then looked at the source (you can get the source from a java applet).
After that, my spam increased exponentially - the immediate group was spamming me, as well as selling off the address - which then gets repeated over and over.

I use spamassassin now and I have it tweaked to the point where out of over 100 spams a day, I only have 1 get through - and that is because the code times out and lets it through, not because SA hasn't caught it.
I first installed it in January and in that time have only had it once grab mail that it shouldn't have - from my mom. I added her to the whitelist and have never had a problem since.
I use one of the more recent 2.60 versions, have the spam threshold lowered to 3.5, and I have tweaked a few of the score settings. Workds great for me.

Re:the two things I've seen increase spam for me.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545940)

you can get the source from a java applet How exactly did you "get the source"?

Re:the two things I've seen increase spam for me.. (1)

AssFace (118098) | more than 11 years ago | (#5546002)

Look into things such as Jet, Mocha, Dj, etc.

Many newer editors have it built in.

There are ways around it - but for the most part, Java is just bytecode and therefore you can go backwards and get the source - it isn't truly compiled in the sense of C/C++ exe code.
You don't get comments, but the code is there.

This is why you need to be very careful about how you do things in Java applets if you want security. Not really an issue if your code is server side - but in the case of a client side applet - once they have it, they can go through it all easily.
For the most part, the way around it is to have anything that needs to be secure done server side over an ssl connection and have the applet as dumb as possible - only relaying what has happened to the server or the user, depending on which is needed. Also, the server should keep track of what "should" be happening, that way if something comes back to it that doesn't match what it is expecting, it can be suspicious that the data has been tampered with.

In the case of the online casino code - they had done this in all of their newest code, and in older code it looked like they had hacked it in - so I presume at one point it wasn't done this way and they likely ran into someone winning too frequently as a result.

Re:the two things I've seen increase spam for me.. (1)

great throwdini (118430) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545968)

I have multiple domain names and I know for certain that much of my spam originated from either scanning the whois database, or someone selling the e-mail addresses from there.

This is true for me, as well. Along with spam targeted to generic accounts (info@... is a favorite for domain-related services spam). Unfortunately, this class of unasked-for email falls outside the scope of the posted CDT study.

Responses (1)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545800)

To Internet users who complain that their e-mail inboxes are crammed with ads for products and services they would never purchase, Childs' response is, "Quit your whining. I'm asking you, how stressful is it to push the delete button? We have become a nation of crybabies."

Would he also say the same thing if a bunch of people hacked his email server and redirected all his crap toward this guy's own personal email box? Or if he was sent those 2 mil AOL CDs? Also, the places where he has his server's, are they protect against hmmm.... "accidents"?

Why am I getting all this spam? (2, Funny)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545803)

Because your penis is small, you'd like to work from home and everybody loves baklava?

Re:Why am I getting all this spam? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545919)

I don't like baklava.

Unreported Cost of Spam (5, Insightful)

corporatemutantninja (533295) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545805)

In the debate over how much spam really costs, one factor that almost never gets discussed is the impact on behavior and openness. How many of us refrain from using our real email addresses in public forums or in correspondence with companies because of a fear of receiving more spam? There may not be a direct economic cost, but it makes the Internet less useful to all of us. Spammers have essentially driven all of us to have unlisted phone numbers on the Internet, which reduces the usefulness of the medium. Off with their heads, I say.

Spam makes money? (4, Funny)

ShwAsasin (120187) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545808)

I was considering moving into the spam market, but decided that was too controversial. I opted to start pornography business instead.

Re:Spam makes money? (2, Funny)

doublem (118724) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545916)

Depends on how you advertise.

If you're up front and don't SPAM people, selling only porn that features consenting adults, then I'd say go for it.

I was thinking of starting a porn site myself, until my GF nixed it.

Good luck though. One of my buddies tried it, and failed due to the stiff competition. You have to have a new and unique angle, something really different, to make it now.

FTC links on Charles Childs (5, Informative)

Randar the Lava Liza (562063) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545810)

The FTC already filed a complaint [ftc.gov] and had a preliminary injunction [ftc.gov] against Childs back in April. See the press release [ftc.gov] for more information. The article mentions he lives by Riverside drive in an apartment, could be with Linda Lightfoot [superpages.com] , the woman mentioned in the complaints with him?

Re:FTC links on Charles Childs (1)

doublem (118724) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545954)

Sounds like a gay, transexual porn star.

(Apologies to all the real trannies out there, I know slashdot has a few. Nothing against you, Linda Lightfoot just sounds like a bad porn name.)

Re:FTC links on Charles Childs (5, Interesting)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 11 years ago | (#5546000)

> The FTC already filed a complaint [ftc.gov] and had a preliminary injunction [ftc.gov] against Childs back in April. See the press release [ftc.gov] for more information. The article mentions he lives by Riverside drive in an apartment, could be with Linda Lightfoot [superpages.com], the woman mentioned in the complaints with him?

Rules of spam:

0) Spam is theft.
1) Spammers lie.
2) If you think a spammer's telling the truth, see Rule #1.
3) Spammers are stupid.
Corollary: Spammer lies are really stupid.

So when I read this:

"To Internet users who complain that their e-mail inboxes are crammed with ads for products and services they would never purchase, Childs' response is, "Quit your whining. I'm asking you, how stressful is it to push the delete button? We have become a nation of crybabies."

I immediately thought "This asshat wants me to Just Hit Delete. Every time I've heard that excuse, the guy saying it has been either lying (Rule #1), or stupid (Rule #3). This guy sounds like both. (Corollary). So I'll lay odds that this guy's a spammer."

I was just about to Google for the proof, when you did all the leg-work by posting the FTC links. Thanks. J00 r0x0r!

Re:FTC links on Charles Childs (5, Informative)

blibbleblobble (526872) | more than 11 years ago | (#5546041)

If anyone is having trouble forwarding their postal junk-mail ("Not known at this address: please forward to..."), here's the address again:

Charles F Childs
and Linda Jean Lightfoot
4132 Pompton Court
Dayton
Ohio 45405

Keywords: "Spammer's address, Universal Direct, Pyramid marketing scam", for the benefit of google.

Spam is (1)

Weenis-X (658333) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545815)

a good thing, whether you like it or not. How else would I know that with a single pill, I can elongate my small intestine through a small incision in my lower abdomen, creating a fully functional artificial 18 inch dong?

/. effect (-1)

d0st03vsky (550442) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545818)

the site's down for me.

Spam (2, Insightful)

silvakow (91320) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545821)

Let's all go register for online lotteries with our new Hotmail accounts. Then we'll give our e-mail address to the airport on that little frequent flyer card because I know they're going to send me only useful info. Oh yeah, let's not forget Kazaa registration, seedy computer retailers, and mail-in rebates.

I participate in none of these activities. I have my email address on my website, but I spell it out instead of using the at@symbol.com . I've had two e-mail addresses since Summer 2001 and the only spam I get is from Windows e-mail viruses, which aren't compatible with my operation system. Yes, it *is* possible to have a public e-mail address that doesn't get spammed.

Re:Spam (1)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545903)

the only spam I get is from Windows e-mail viruses

So these viruses are able to get hold of your email address even though conventional address harvesters cannot. I wonder how long it will be until a spammer creates a virus or worm which as well as mailing itself to everyone in your address book, sends the contents of the address book back to the spammer (by some indirect route). There are probably large numbers of 'lost' addresses which don't appear on the Web but are in somebody's Outlook address book.

Re:Spam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545911)

silvakow at mac dot com

silvakow@mac.com

silvakow@mac.com [mailto]

Now the spam bots will catch you MOAHAH!

Re:Spam (1)

tepp (131345) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545925)

"Let's all go register for online lotteries with our new Hotmail accounts. Then we'll give our e-mail address to the airport on that little frequent flyer card because I know they're going to send me only useful info. Oh yeah, let's not forget Kazaa registration, seedy computer retailers, and mail-in rebates."

Sometimes you have to submit an email address to someone you know is going to spam. For instance, Victoria's Secret. When you purchase a nightgown from there, they email you with the fedex number and a confirmation that it shipped. I want to have that information, if there's an issue, but I don't want to see all their spam...

My solution is to use a hotmail account that I don't read for these purposes. If, for instance, my nightgown doesn't arrive in the 2 weeks they said it would, I go wading in that account for the emails and use that when finding out what happened.

Re:Spam (1)

mike_mgo (589966) | more than 11 years ago | (#5546061)

You don't like Victoria's Secret mailings? That's the only type of snail mail spam that's any good.

Seriously though, I don't really consider e-mail I get from Amazon or other online retailers spam. Usually I get an email that they received the order and one when it shipped. With most reputable online dealers it's simply a matter of replying to an email ad that you don't want to receive it any longer to be taken off their list.

Re:Spam (2, Informative)

da' WINS pimp (213867) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545947)

Yea, but you should try working for a public institution. Our e-mail addresses are public domain and have to be given to anyone who asks. Thank god for Mozilla's filtering. Thats gotten me down to only 20 or so a day that I have to deal with.

At this point I'm praying for legislation that makes UCE illegal to government entities! You would think it would be misappropriation of resources or something. But the Ashcroft says no, I guess he is too busy chasing terrorists.

pr0n Spam (5, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545826)

Number one reason(s) for receiving pr0n spam:?

Visited a pr0n website for research

Posting anything on a Usenet newsgroup

Registration of any product over the internet

Responding to any survey on the internet, in which you indicate you are 18 or older.

Having an email address

Breathing

Getting a 'first post' on /.

Posting anything on CowboyNeal's Blog of Doom

Sometimes it is not behavior related (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545828)

Sometimes, all you have to do is merely have an account somewhere, such as a freenet with a sequential address (like ab323@thefreenet.org) or AOL or hotmail, and the spsm just rolls in even if you do nothing.

True origin of SPAM (1)

dudemaster (228232) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545834)

I thought it came from Hormel.

Seriously, I think it came from space - the Outernet, ever since we started using 802.11 and possibly originating from seti@home PCs.

i still get spam from yahoo and hotmail (1)

poil11 (186519) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545843)

i have both accounts set pretty high to and yahoo and hotmail do a good job of blobking most spam. but still i get spam from yahoo and hotmail about special products. i have tried to block those email adress but both services are smart enough to not let you block em.

The Reign of the Blob-king (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545878)

"hotmail do a good job of blobking most spam"

Is that a reference to Sanford Wallance, the obese spam king?

mirror? (1)

gmr2048 (176781) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545850)

anybody got the .pdf mirrored somewhere?

Re:mirror? (1)

crschmidt (659859) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545922)

Mirrored here [uiuc.edu]

Actually I don't get that much spam. (2, Interesting)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545853)

I've had my email address for two years, and get about 3 spams a week in it, and didn't even get that untill I joined a few mailing lists. I used to get tons of spam sent to my old address before I switched isps. Seems to me if you keep your email off usenet you don't get much spam. That was the difference for me anyways. Heck, it's kinda annoying. I get so little spam I can't train mozilla!

Moral of this story? Post to usenet (and mailing lists) with a junk account. Keep a private account for friends and contacts.

Re:Actually I don't get that much spam. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545975)

Moral of this story? Post to usenet (and mailing lists) with a junk account. Keep a private account for friends and contacts.

This only works until one of your friends or contacts screws up and puts you on a list. How does that happen? E-greeting cards, "send this page to a friend" links, etc. Eventually it will happen, and once you're on the first list you get sold around. Mark my words because I had an email address as clean as yours (4 years, no spam!) until one of my well-meaning family members sent me an e-Halloween card.

Why you're getting spam (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545854)

Last year's knee-jerk tinfoil hat advice is this year's spam and other troubles.

People have been warned about stuff like this. What do you get in return? "OF course I will register for everything, you're just paranoid. Requiring people to do this just to steal the information, hahah! Here's a tinfoil hat."

And the world continues to change and the same people continue to be surprised when faced with what they've been warned about years before.

thats why one should (1)

cyrax777 (633996) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545857)

add something like this into there e-mail adress something@NOSPAM.whatever.com (please remove NOSPAM to e-mail me) simple and it cuts down on alot of spam.

Re:thats why one should (1)

crschmidt (659859) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545897)

Which is, amazingly enough, exactly what the article said. Amazing how that works.

Re:thats why one should (1)

cyrax777 (633996) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545970)

couldnt get to the article so I did not see that.

Re:thats why one should (1)

crschmidt (659859) | more than 11 years ago | (#5546036)

Apologies.

Basically, it said anything that wasn't directly listed was better.

Even human readable (blah AT mydomain DOT net) got little to no spam.

There's a couple of mirrors linked now in the comment threads.

Re:thats why one should (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5546060)

If spammers have not filtered out the phrase "NOSPAM" then they don't deserve to be called spammers.

your address is harvested no matter what.

Slashdot advertiser facilitating SPAM (3, Informative)

masonbrown (208074) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545865)

Saw a banner ad for IronPort MTA [ironport.com] just now on Slashdot. It features a technology that "ensures that if one campaign has a problem with less than perfect spam filters at receiving ISPs, it won't impact other campaigns on separate Virtual Gateways".

Re:Slashdot advertiser facilitating SPAM (1)

CMonk (20789) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545946)

There are plenty of legitimate email campaigns out there that aren't spam. I've seen a few emails I've opted in for get caught by yahoo and thrown into my junk mail box.

spam forecast (2, Funny)

obli (650741) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545868)

monday: small showers of florida vacations through the .net and .org domain
tuesday: threathening cloud of penis enlargement pills coming up from the south and webMD health issues are clearing up
and so on...

spammers should be shot (2)

ErikRed1488 (193622) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545880)

To Internet users who complain that their e-mail inboxes are crammed with ads for products and services they would never purchase, Childs' response is, "Quit your whining. I'm asking you, how stressful is it to push the delete button? We have become a nation of crybabies."

I actually had to go re-read that quote. What a prick! I sincerely hope the FTC continues to investigate this guy and his company. Then I hope he goes to jail. I'm not talking white color resort prison; I'm talking federal pound-you-in-the-ass prison.

Hotmail is good for some things (2, Insightful)

tepp (131345) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545885)

I'm a girl with an amgibous email address. My firstname is set to '-' my lastname is set to '-'.

At first, receiving email that said, - -, you too can have a larger penis! was funny. That wore off... oh... five years ago. Now I'm just annoyed.

I've opened hotmail accounts and left them alone, never used them for anything, never registered them with anyone, never posted or emailed from them. And two months later, there's spam in them.

Since I figure hotmail is going to get spammed anyway, I use a hotmail account as my reply-to box for anything I buy online... victoria's secret bras and nightgowns, expedia tickets, etc.

My real friends and only my real friends are given my real email address. Usually this system works pretty well, until someone mixes my addresses up and then gets all worked up about me 'ignoring' their emails... because they sent it to the hotmail account I don't read anymore.

It's very frustrating.

On a slightly related side note, if it wasn't that my fiance has family in England and our cell phones have lousy overseas rate, I'd disconnect my home phone... as it is, I'm seriously considering removing the ringer and letting people babble at my answering machine.

Ohio (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545893)

There's also a story about yet another sleazy spammer in Ohio.

Why don't these guys ever live close to me?

Does the slashdotting the server is getting... (0, Offtopic)

LordHunter317 (90225) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545894)

Count as spamming the server?

I mean, I'm sure the server operators didn't solict /. berating their servers until they fallover.

bah (4, Insightful)

nomadic (141991) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545900)

To Internet users who complain that their e-mail inboxes are crammed with ads for products and services they would never purchase, Childs' response is, "Quit your whining. I'm asking you, how stressful is it to push the delete button? We have become a nation of crybabies."


Oh god, here we go with the old "waah why isn't everyone as tough as I am" complaint.
I wonder, does he have children? If not, would he relish the idea of them constantly being hit with sex ads? How about elderly relatives?

Everybody knows (1)

mivok (621790) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545901)

spam comes from tins.
I have no idea why they have that daft pig icon for spam stories though.

moron the bulleading edge.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545904)

of Godless phonIE bullonly payper liesense stock markup fraud/spam college can be found at trustworthycomputing.com(post).

fuddles' new' "learn to be a spammer for only $49.95 a month"(tm), is about as useful as va lairIE's PostBlock(tm) device.

lookout bullow.

don't forget to consult with yOUR creator frequently, during times of evile deception, etc...

Surprised 'bots are that stupid (4, Interesting)

great throwdini (118430) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545918)

Web Sites received the most e-mails when an address was placed visibly on a public Web site. Spammers use software harvesting programs such as "robots" or "spiders" to record e-mail addresses ... E-mail addresses posted to Web sites using these conventions [Replacing characters in an e-mail address with HTML equivalents.] did not receive any spam.

The above CDT finding is mildly surprising to me. Is there a reason people haven't built 'smarter' Web scrapers that filter and convert character encodings of things like the '@' sign in email addys? Doesn't seem too difficult, but if the report is to be taken at face value, it seems a simple precaution to take (still). I had always considered it a low-tech defense easily overwhelemed. Guess I was wrong?

Re:Surprised 'bots are that stupid (2, Interesting)

crschmidt (659859) | more than 11 years ago | (#5546009)

That was always what I thought as well. If a human can read it without any prompting, why can't a spambot?

Then again, I have always used that method of hiding my email address for newsgroup postings, despite the fact that I thought it wouldn't really work. Good to know that it does, I suppose.

I'm actually interested in how well spambots deal with something like the email address listed at this page [plogs.net] listing my contact info. Do they parse html info and realize that this is just a normal email address in a table, or is that confusing enough that they don't see it?

Re:Surprised 'bots are that stupid (5, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5546056)

It's not worth doing.

The people who obfuscate their email address to avoid spams arent the ones you want to spam, since they're pretty much 100% guaranteed not to even read the email.

The spammers want the messages sent to the dopes who might actually buy the product/service.

Overall 80% spam... (1)

Judebert (147131) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545923)

An interesting read, altogether. I know I'll be obsfucating my email adress when it goes on my website (not that the spammers won't figure that one out soon enough).

Still, notice that they received more than 10,000 emails... and more than 8,000 were spam. That's around 80% spam, and it includes the accounts that actually took some measure of protection against it. Naturally accounts that didn't bother to protect their email addresses got a much greater proportion of spam.

It's a shame we have to protect ourselves from what should be an open and valuable exchange. I know 80% spam would just swamp me altogether.

Yeah, right . . . (3, Funny)

Our Man In Redmond (63094) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545938)

Childs blamed the mix-up on a programming accident and said he has since apologized to Smithson [for using her site as an open relay].

Reminds me of the old saying, "I might have believed it was an accident if you hadn't stopped twice to reload and once to chug a couple of beers."

ARG (1)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545942)

These fucking spammers. Fucking DMA preventing tough anti-spam laws. I don't know about you, but I never buy anything from telemarketers and I'm more likely to just throw out any physical mail advertisements, after hitting the 'delete' button so many times.

Sleazy Spammers in Ohio. (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545949)

there's another one that has house/offices located near Tontogany, Ohio and also in Toledo. He lives in a LARGE house located in a richer area in the country. Their house is full of expensive toys, computers, LCDs, and furniture. He looks something like Marilyn Manison having a good day. He chain smokes. He doesn't get up till 2 oe 3 in the afternoon. He claims he is completely for "mass mailings". He wants people to believe that his emails are making their day.

I wish I remembered his name.

He is a fucking asshole. Die you spamming fuck.

The gauntlet has been thrown! (4, Funny)

douglips (513461) | more than 11 years ago | (#5545966)

None of this puts a chill into Childs, who said he has nothing to fear from anti-spammers. "I don't ask for understanding from anybody. I follow the law." And as for angry e-mails and junk mail, he said, "I can give as good as I get."

Geez, I sure hope he's right. It sure would be a shame if his physical mailbox overflowed with a gazillion free catalogs.

Did anyone explain to him what happened to Alan Ralsky [slashdot.org] ?

HOT NEWSFLASH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5545987)

Some blowhard wrote a story about spam and thinks he has all the answers!

This is a once in a lifetime event!

Thank you /., for keeping me up to date with the whinings of every know-it-all jackass 'pooter expert'.

Hmmmmm. (1)

Unknown Poltroon (31628) | more than 11 years ago | (#5546004)

Charles F. Childs, Dayton Ohio.
Can anyone narrow that down a bit?

where does he live. (1)

p51d007 (656414) | more than 11 years ago | (#5546039)

Let the internet take care of itself.......I"m sure as we speak, someone who lives in Charles F. Childs area, is tracking down his address, and some forum somewhere will post his address, then as happened to the other spammer, his snail mail box will be filled with every catalog, etc you can imagine!

My Active Michigan Lawsuit (4, Interesting)

Slashdolt (166321) | more than 11 years ago | (#5546021)

I don't want to get myself into any possible legal trouble, so please excuse me if I'm somewhat vague in some respects. IANAL.

About 2 or 3 years ago, my wife visited a store in the Lansing, Michigan area and gave them my email address. From time to time, I would receive email from them. Eventually, I asked them to stop. They stopped.

On November 21, 2002, I received an email from them asking me if I would like to begin receiving advertisements and marketing offers from them again. There was a link to click on, if I didn't want to opt-in. I clicked on that link.

Approximately 2 months later, I received an email from them. They had an option to unsubscribe by sending an email to their unsubscribe address. It said I would be removed immediately. I even received a confirmation stating that I had unsubscribed. For the next month, I continued to get 2-3 emails from them per week. Each time, I clicked unsubscribe and was told that I had indeed been unsubscribed.

After the 2nd email, I contacted customer service and reported the problem. No response. After the fourth time, I contacted them again, and threatened legal action, if they didn't stop. No response. I called customer service, talked to a live person, and was told that I would be removed from all their lists. But the email continued to come.

I filed a lawsuit in Michigan small claims alleging violations of the "junk fax" law, having heard about a Michigan man who had won by doing so. 6 violations for $500 each, resulted in $3,000, the maximum allowable under Michigan Law for small claims. As evidence, I have nearly all of the advertisement emails as well as my requests to be unsubscribed, and their acknowlegements stating that I had been unsubscribed. Additionally, I have the emails I sent to customer service, which never received replies.

About 2 weeks after filing suit, I received an email from their customer service stating that they were finally looking into the problem. I haven't received an email from them in the last 2 weeks, so I assume that I'm finally off their list, and it only cost me $36.50 ($32 small claims, $4.50 certified mail).

However, now their attorneys have demanded that the case be removed from small claims and placed into general civil court (which is their right). Unfortunately, I plan to do just that.

The FTC has publicly stated that not honoring removal requests is illegal. However, I'm not sure I have a private right of action in this situation. Using the Junk Fax law in general civil court is probably a bad idea, and I think I would likely have to claim actual damages in order to pursue it in general civil court.

I don't really want to get in over my head. I'm sure they realize this, which then makes me WANT to get in over my head. However, I'm still not sure that I have a legal basis for my case. Even in a state like Washington, where anti-spam laws exist, half of the cases get dismissed by the judge.

I called a local attorney and was told that I should dismiss, or risk being counter-sued for a frivolous lawsuit. Essentially, what they did is illegal, but there really isn't much I can do about it other than contact the FTC and the state attorney general, and if I pursue my case against them, I could wind up paying them.

--
Slashdolt

Woah woah woah, wait a minute. (1)

thesolo (131008) | more than 11 years ago | (#5546024)

A former Dayton police officer who was fired in 1996 for selling drugs on the street, Childs said he doesn't rise most days now until 1 p.m.

So let me get this straight. Not only is this Childs guy a commercial spammer who says people should "Quit your whining" about receiving spam, but he was also a drug dealer and a corrupt cop.

So now, my question is how the hell isn't this guy in jail? You'd think between dealing drugs, being a corrupt police officer, and being a spammer this guy would be behind bars, wouldn't you? Apparently not!

Furthermore:
The Federal Trade Commission, however, has questioned the honesty of at least one of Childs' Internet ventures. The federal agency sued Childs in federal court last year for operating an Internet chain-mail scheme that enriched a few early participants at the expense of others.

So now he was basically running a pyramid scheme as well. This is just revolting.

Who started this? (1)

GoneGaryT (637267) | more than 11 years ago | (#5546051)

What was the first spam? AFAIR it was "Make Money Fast" on Usenet when AOL came on line, must've been 1994 or 1995. Everyone's first reaction was anger; that's never really changed.

Anyone else remember their earliest encounter with it?

DOS TIP: Mozilla 1.3 Bayesian spam filtering = :-))

Origins of spam? (1)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 11 years ago | (#5546062)

On the first day, the Lord created email, and it was good.
On the second day, the Lord created spam, and it was bad.

Smart Programmers proved Lawful Good (2, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 11 years ago | (#5546069)

Obscuring an e-mail address is an effective way to avoid spam from harvesters on the Web or on USENET newsgroups... ("example at domain dot com")

I thought for sure by now spammers would have figured out regular expressions and e-mail address verifying modules, and I'm glad they haven't.

But doesn't that prove that there's never been a smart programmer who's worked on an e-mail harvester?

I think that says alot about the profession.
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