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Second Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546664)


YOU FAILED IT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5547033)

As protocol dictates, first posts should be first posts, not second posts.

Therefore, YOU FAILED IT, and I award your first post to the cunt from the clit.

yeah, but (5, Funny)

geekoid (135745) | about 11 years ago | (#5546667)

is it big enough to hate yet? ;)

Re:yeah, but (1)

creative_name (459764) | about 11 years ago | (#5546684)

big enough!? If it comes prepackaged at all then it's straight from the pits of BSOD!

Re:yeah, but (1)

caluml (551744) | about 11 years ago | (#5546841)

If you think that, you've never had to manage more than 5 Linux machines.

I have to keep Linux boxes up to date - and do other stuff too. RPMs are a godsend.

Re:yeah, but (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546998)

People who consider RPMs a "godsend" have obviously never been with a girl.

Tsarkon Reports, Carly Fiorina is a fucking cunt (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546721)

Tsarkon Reports, Carly Fiorina is a fucking cunt

Fuck you, fuck HP fuck Carly fucking Carly is a fucking cunt. She ruined Lucent. She sold the core of HP as Agilent. She sucks shit. She s a phone know nothing non technical bitch who majored in Medieval history.

She killed the godly Alpha. She is killing Tru64. She is a fucking cunt.

She is a death bringing whore and I hope she dies.

Anyone who supports her by buying HP shit while she is there is a FUCKING TRAITOR to computing.

She also removed Hewlett and Packard from the name officially and made it HP only.

Death to Carly. death to Slashdot for licking Carly's piss flaps.

Death to all those who supported Carly. You fucking fag pussy hypocrites.

Re:Tsarkon Reports, Carly Fiorina is a fucking cun (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546899)

She has done some amazing work. Truly a visionary. The company is so much better off with her than before.

Re:Tsarkon Reports, Carly Fiorina is a fucking cun (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5547011)

shut your rat fink mouth you fucking traitor. all i gotta say is WASSUP bitch, and then crack your fucking teeth with a bat you motherfucking rat bitch puke punk

ask HP hareholders. Ask Compaq shareholders. Ask Lucent shareholders. SHE FUCKING RUINED THEM YOU SHITHEAD

and she gutted the fucking company! so dont you eve rtalk talk sht about this shit again motherfucker illl kill you. you know what im saying whore. ill fucking knife you in the face.

i hate you and i would feed your flesh to dogs, and i would shove ice picks in your eyes, and i would use your bone meal to fertilize my garden

death to you tech traitor motherfucker i hateyou.

fp? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546668)


Good for Linux.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546674)

Microsoft sucks, Furst pants.

A hardware monopoly (-1, Flamebait)

xintegerx (557455) | about 11 years ago | (#5546676)

controlling free software? Good, bad? The [probably] biggest Microsoft Windows desktop customer supporting Red Hat... Sounds like a kick in the face for Microsoft.

Re:A hardware monopoly (5, Interesting)

Gortbusters.org (637314) | about 11 years ago | (#5546757)

The question is when I walk into CompUSA, Circuit City, and all those other consumer heavens of electronics.. will I see a HP workstation running RedHat?

Or will it just be an obscure option burried in their website?

Re:A hardware monopoly (0, Interesting)

MikeXpop (614167) | about 11 years ago | (#5546971)

Here's a little story. Joe Clueless would walk into his local computer store and see two HP computers. One is running Linux, and one is running XP. Joe obviously buys the Linux one because it's cheaper. He takes his new computer home and shows it to all of the little Clueless's. They try to install Deer Hunter on it with no luck. They try to install Quicken on it with no luck. Little Bobby Clueless tries to install his pirated version of Photoshop with no luck. They take it back to the computer store to say that it's broken. They walk out a few hundred dollars poorer with a bad idea of what Linux is. Until Linux becomes a solid Desktop OS solution for everyone, it is better off having it this way.

Re:A hardware monopoly (5, Informative)

irix (22687) | about 11 years ago | (#5546984)

Did you read the article?

"The Red Hat operating systems covered by this agreement include Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS, used in high-end servers for demanding tasks such as database and enterprise applications; Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES, used in smaller, departmental servers, such as mail, Web and print servers; and Red Hat Enterprise WS, used in workstations."

CompUSA will still just be selling HP home PCs bundled with WinXP home. This is for commercial accounts who want RedHat Linux with their HP servers or workstations and are prepared to pay for it.

Linux not ready for the big iron? (2, Interesting)

themo0c0w (594693) | about 11 years ago | (#5546678)

Big blue supports it, Dell supports it, and now HP is supporting it. More and more, sounds to me like its taking the Microsoft and Unix world by storm.

Re:Linux not ready for the big iron? (3, Insightful)

wo1verin3 (473094) | about 11 years ago | (#5546714)

Of course it is, how could you go wrong with a business model that is 100% profit.

RedHat ISOS - $0
Charging people for CDs - $ profit
Charging people to install OS - $ profit
Charging for support - $ profit

For everything else, theres Windows.

Re:Linux not ready for the big iron? (3, Insightful)

gilesjuk (604902) | about 11 years ago | (#5546755)

This is Red Hat though, a well packaged Linux distribution.

Not (IMHO) a technically good Linux distribution, others are leaner and meaner. But for the corperate environment it's ideal. But I do have concerns about the very short length of the security update subscription provided with Red Hat. Installing apt4rpm provides a way around this in some cases.

Re:Linux not ready for the big iron? (2, Informative)

OrenWolf (140914) | about 11 years ago | (#5546861)

Not a problem. Advanced server offers a five-year minimum timeline for updates, and that's what they have certified - the three new flavours of Advanced server.

Re:Linux not ready for the big iron? (2, Informative)

0x0d0a (568518) | about 11 years ago | (#5546908)

Uh...I've used Red Hat for years. I download updates when they come out via apt-get, yum, manually when advisories come up on securityfocus...and the problem is that I don't get an email from Red Hat personally?

The subscription may be more than worth it to a business, but the consumer is hardly under any onus to purchase it.

makes you wonder what they'll do with HP-UX... (4, Interesting)

term8or (576787) | about 11 years ago | (#5546680)

There are far too many customers using HP-UX to shut it down, but if they are supplying Linux on-the-cheap, why would any new customers buy in to HP-UX?

Sounds like "pi*sing in the company soup"

Re:makes you wonder what they'll do with HP-UX... (5, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | about 11 years ago | (#5546732)

Completely different target customers, at least for the time being.

HP will probably ship linux on it's x86 based servers, but for the various HP3000/9000 etc big-iron servers, it'll still be HP-UX. I sincerely doubt that linux will have the punch that HP-UX carries on a bigass HP9000 N-class server.

Eventuall HP-UX and Tru64 will no doubt follow MPE into the lands of obscurity. Although, there are still a ton of MPE users/customers out there (my company being one of them with a few dozen MPE based sites installed).

Re:makes you wonder what they'll do with HP-UX... (2, Informative)

SquadBoy (167263) | about 11 years ago | (#5546857)

So you are also going through MPE/3000 end of life. :) I feel for you.

Yup MPE is still *huge* in some places. For example if you do business with a credit union there is a very good chance that they run on a HP 3000 and are working on moving to the HP 9000. And you are right that is not going away for a very long time.

Re:makes you wonder what they'll do with HP-UX... (5, Insightful)

mrcparker (469158) | about 11 years ago | (#5546798)

Not for what we use it for. Linux is great for smaller servers and development, but we have machines with terabytes and terabytes of data running on super stable hardware that has features the Linux people are just talking about.

Plus, if/when Linux is ready it won't be too hard to switch as most of what we run on these machines is pretty standard, they are moving from PA-RISC to Intel Itanium, and support contracts only last a few years. Either way, HP gets our money.

Re:makes you wonder what they'll do with HP-UX... (4, Insightful)

4of12 (97621) | about 11 years ago | (#5546801)

why would any new customers buy in to HP-UX?

Because they're willing to pay a premium for high performance PA-RISC system with loads of processors. Same market as big Sun and IBM machines. Same market that Linux won't eat yet for a couple of years. But you're right - if price is the determining decision in the purchase, Lintel is The Way to Go.

Re:makes you wonder what they'll do with HP-UX... (1)

jpvlsmv (583001) | about 11 years ago | (#5547012)

What PA-RISC systems? HP has discontinued the PA-RISC processor in favor of itanium.


Re:makes you wonder what they'll do with HP-UX... (1)

ctr2sprt (574731) | about 11 years ago | (#5546940)

I think the problem here is that HP is stuck with, four distinct architectures (IA32, IA64, Alpha, and whatever HP's own CPUs are called) and some five operating systems (Windows, Linux, Tru64 Unix, OpenVMS, HP-UX). While HP is forced to support all those platforms and all possible combinations thereof for legacy reasons, it can certainly pick a direction to go for future development. I think HP's sending very mixed signals on this one, but it's possible that they view Linux as a unifying OS for all their varying platforms, especially the Unix-like ones.

This is just guesswork, but HP does seem to be suggesting that IA64 is going to be their replacement for HP and DEC/Compaq hardware. The next reasonable step is doing something similar for software, which could ease a transition into a services-based company like IBM.

Re:makes you wonder what they'll do with HP-UX... (2, Informative)

Undertaker43017 (586306) | about 11 years ago | (#5547054)

Actually the move to IA64 helps HP quite a bit on the OS side.

From a cost justification standpoint it makes no sense to port Tru64 or VMS to IA64, therefore they have brought their supported OS's down to Windows, Linux and HP-UX. HP-UX has already been ported and the other two HP doesn't have to pay for.

Certainly with Linux (and to a lesser extent, Windows) they may contribute to the effort (since they are co-designers of the architecture), but that really amounts to "lessons" learned from the HP-UX port, no "real" cost to them.

Re:makes you wonder what they'll do with HP-UX... (2, Informative)

phoebus1553 (522577) | about 11 years ago | (#5546981)

HP announced long ago that they were going to be supporting the next release of Pro/Engineer on Linux and that RedHat was their distro of choice. Pro/E was recently released to the people on service contracts (like us, we have copies here) so it is probably in their best interests to fill out their product line.

This is no doubt to make that official.

This is news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546681)

HP advertises selling RedHat with their Itaniums on the back of Doctor Dobbs.

*shivers* (-1, Troll)

James_Duncan8181 (588316) | about 11 years ago | (#5546686)

Great! What I really want is a company beoming a monopoly in the Linux market...I look at Advanced Server, per-seat licencing, a move away from free ethics. The day Red Hat call in the BSA is the day they become as SCO in my eyes.

Only the support costs money (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546803)

As RedHat has clearly stated, you can cobble together an equivalent product to Advanced Server for free, but you will not get support. What more do you want from them? Quit whining!

Re:Only the support costs money (1)

James_Duncan8181 (588316) | about 11 years ago | (#5546869)

Easy - I want them to stop trying to create barriers to entry.

Re:Only the support costs money (2, Insightful)

bpeck (1555) | about 11 years ago | (#5547018)

How are they providing barriers to entry? They provide all of the source to AS on there ftp site. In fact they provide it in SRPM fasion so you can recompile the entire distro if you like. Your complaining because they don't make available the Binary ISO? What requires them to do this? And why would they want to when it just costs them money?

Re:Only the support costs money (2, Insightful)

BFKrew (650321) | about 11 years ago | (#5547035)

Hmmm... putting my cynical hat on: RH are certainly looking like they are going to be the dominant Linux flavour in years to come and -maybe- stand the best chance of making the breakthrough onto the desktop. Certainly the company looks set up to be able to get software on servers, on desktops and provide the support that many IT managers would expect from a large software provider.

However, if I look at RH from a financial standpoint, it would be in their economic interest to make sure that when someone starts to deploy Linux around the workplace that it is not so easy to (say) switch to another flavour as you will lose revenue.

I am a big fan of RH but suspect in the years to come, could (ab)use their position in the Linux world in a similar way to another large OS company!

tsarkon reports, carly firina is a fucking cunt (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546687)

fuck you, fuck hp fuck carly fucking carly is a fucing cunt. she ruined lucent. she sold the core of HP as agilent. she sucks shit

she killed hte godly alpha. she is killing tru64. she is a fucking cunt.

she is a death bringing whore and i hope she dies.

anyone who support her by buying HP shit while she is there is a FUCKING TRAITOR to computing

she also removed hewlett and packard from the name oficially and made it HP only.

death to carly. death to Slashdot for licking carly's balls.

death to all those who supported carly. you fucking fag pussy hypocrites.

There is actually a good message here (2, Interesting)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | about 11 years ago | (#5546855)

Carly and Capellas went above and beyond the call of duty to destroy most of the interesting engineering that was done at DEC and the other firms (Tandem, etc) that have been borged over the years. The result has been the creation of the ultimate outsourcer of commodity junk "me-too" product on the market. Hopefully they will succeed through sheer scale at this point, since that is all they have left.

BOO we hate HP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546690)

But now we like them because they're going to profit off of all the free-as-in-living-in-moms-basement effort that has gone into linux.

The real question here: (-1, Flamebait)

govtcheez (524087) | about 11 years ago | (#5546694)

Will the CDs for HPs distro fit into Michael's anus sideways yet, or has the master [goatse.cx] not finished his teachings?

Oh yeah and I forgot (-1, Troll)

govtcheez (524087) | about 11 years ago | (#5546718)

mad propz to cyborg monkey and my crapflooding brethren! I've seen the top of the karma mountain, and it's fucking boring!

Re:Oh yeah and I forgot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546781)


Troll for the love of trolling. Not to impress some pack of slashbot queers.


Re:Oh yeah and I forgot (0, Offtopic)

govtcheez (524087) | about 11 years ago | (#5546880)

I've been planning this for awhile - cyborg monkey's post was just the straw that broke the camel's back. It's so much nicer to troll than to try and think up some way to combine GNU/topic or misspell MS's name in less-than-creative ways. The trolls are the only real people here, but we all know that - 90% of the people here are running Windows, but won't admit to it because they're afraid michael or timothy might rape them next time they're at their local LUG gathering, and rightfully so. I know the people of slashdot are afraid, and it's up to trolls to set them free.

HP already has a unix though (2, Interesting)

t0qer (230538) | about 11 years ago | (#5546704)

I couldn't understand why dell dropped linux support, they don't have a UNIX product like HP does. HP with HPUX, why would they want to sell and support linux?

I guess I could see them doing it for a number of reasons, mainly because it would be a gateway into the small/medium sized business market.

Re:HP already has a unix though (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546760)

HP-UX doesnt run on x86 architecture.

Linux doesnt run (remotely well) on the HP3000/9000 big momma mainframes.

Two different OS's for two different product lines.

Re:HP already has a unix though (1)

dakers27 (631152) | about 11 years ago | (#5546865)

I don't know if Dell ships boxes with redhat, but they still support it, i got tech support today on a driver conflict in redhat.

Re:HP already has a unix though (4, Interesting)

Fastball (91927) | about 11 years ago | (#5546929)

HP with HPUX, why would they want to sell and support linux?

Answer: cheap R&D. HP can leave the development to someone else and focus its efforts on sales. HP is sure to have RedHat's ear when it wants it too. You have to figure that they see the writing on the wall: open source can do what the big boys do and sometimes can do it better. This move helps preserve their hardware sales a la Apple with OSX. Smart. Selling software anymore seems like selling ice to eskimos.

I'm glad to see this (4, Interesting)

greechneb (574646) | about 11 years ago | (#5546709)

Speaking from personal experience, my CEO is relucant to approve software with no point of support. The more support open source gets, the easier it makes my job of trying to convince him to move to more open source software.

Re:I'm glad to see this shut up you fucking liar (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546747)

what personal experience? shut the fuck up prick. your fucking anectdotal trash means nothing. i just wanted you to know that you fucking god damn pussy fetal mediocritomaton vicarious wannabe loser fat sexlessnerd geek POOR cant afford anyhting real loser bitch. Suck on TSARKONS nuts.

Tsarkon Reports.

Re:I'm glad to see this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546978)

Maybe so, but these little companies no one has ever heard of, like HP, probably won't make much of an impression. When will Acer and Packard-Bell get in on the hot penguin action?

Debian? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546719)

What happened to the Debian support? or did that disappear when Bruce Perens left?

Serious money (3, Insightful)

soorma_bhopali (643472) | about 11 years ago | (#5546750)

"HP, in Palo Alto, Calif. , generated about $2 billion in Linux-based revenue in 2002, the company said in Wednesday's statement. "

Thats freaking huge :) Who said u cannot make money by using linux?

Re:Serious money (3, Funny)

caluml (551744) | about 11 years ago | (#5546864)

I want to see orders - orders, credit card number, email addresses, home addresses, before I believe that ;) Oh, and expiry dates!

What about laptops? (4, Insightful)

Azog (20907) | about 11 years ago | (#5546751)

Announcements like this always say "workstations and servers". Don't they think that Linux users want portable devices?

I just want a good quality Linux laptop with firewire, a built-in CDR, lots of RAM, and a power-efficient CPU. I don't want to pay the Windows tax and I don't want an expensive, high speed CPU.

(Why the heck anyone needs a 2 GHz CPU in a laptop is a mystery to me. )

The Lindows "$799" machine would have been perfect but it has no built in CD drive - a fatal deficiency, at least to me.

Re:What about laptops? (1)

dudemaster (228232) | about 11 years ago | (#5546863)

Me too. I've got a Compaq/HP? Presario with a working RedHat 8.x install but the f*ckin wireless Multiport W200 add-on card (USB based Orinoco chipset) doesn't work w/ wlan-ng or anything else. Other than that, it's practically a no brainer to support RedHat on their laptops.

Re:What about laptops? (2, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | about 11 years ago | (#5546937)

Why the heck anyone needs a 2 GHz CPU in a laptop is a mystery to me.

Not to me, I know a few people who do graphic design, and having that kind of horsepower in a laptop is absolutely necessary to them.

A high end laptop and a docking station is also more cost/space effective than a high end desktop and a low end laptop. There are a lot of people who need/want such a portable PC.

The fact that you dont need or want something obviously means nothing. They sell like hotcakes and HP/Dell/Compaq/Sony rake in the dough hand over fist selling 'em.

(Why the heck anyone needs a 4 MHz Transmeta CPU in a linux based laptop is a mystery to me)

Re:What about laptops? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546941)

What about this Sotec laptop at besybuy.com:

http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=11202591&m=4 88 &cat=494&scat=495

Currently $750 (after rebates) with free shipping. 4.4 lbs, 12.1" display, DVD/CD-RW, 256 MB ram. No firewire (but 3 usb ports) & you have to pay the Windows tax (but $200 in rebates ought to offset that). I'm currently drooling over it, in case you can't tell. ;)

Re:What about laptops? (2, Interesting)

term8or (576787) | about 11 years ago | (#5547008)

In my case, so I can run Windows 2000, XP, SQL Server 2000, VB6 , .Net , The company product (tm) and Internet Explorer, all at the same time, and all at the customers site. Plus, i'd like the laptop to survive Microsoft's next Big operating System (tm).

Why 2ghz? (1)

EvilStein (414640) | about 11 years ago | (#5547026)

Well, if you were stuck commuting on Caltrain for 2 hours a day, believe me, you'd love to be able to bust out some $CPU_HOG_GAME to pass the time. :-)

It's nice to have!

Re:What about laptops? (2, Interesting)

irix (22687) | about 11 years ago | (#5547032)

I have already said this [slashdot.org], but this announcement is not aimed at selling Linux on HP hardware to Joe consumer. They are selling/supporting the Entrerprise versions of RedHat that are aimed at corporate accounts.

Red Hat (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546756)

Red Hat, is that a brand of condoms?

It's good to see Huge Penis (HP) supporting free (as in beer gets you laid) condoms.

Oh geez... does this mean (1)

Rooked_One (591287) | about 11 years ago | (#5546761)

I can't help but think that people will start to associate HP's overall lackluster in the home pc market with linux? Hopefully this is just a server type thing because HP does make some pretty sweet servers. And we definatly don't need noobies with HP's thinking they can tackle red hat just becuase they can change the properties of a shortcut in windows.

What happened to Debian? (2, Interesting)

niko9 (315647) | about 11 years ago | (#5546764)

Wasn't HP making claims to use and support Debian?
I remember reading articles about HP picking Debian because it was non commercial and the most stable disto out there.

Re:What happened to Debian? (3, Interesting)

SquadBoy (167263) | about 11 years ago | (#5546872)

Yes but then Carly got mad at Bruce and fired him. After that it was all downhill.

As a huge HP reseller customer don't even get me started on what an evil bitch Carly is.

Re:What happened to Debian? (1)

Cheeko (165493) | about 11 years ago | (#5546884)

I believe Debian is still the distro of choice, but this is simply a second Linux offering. Previous to now HP would not provide support for Red Hat on its systems.

Re:What happened to Debian? (1)

ebh (116526) | about 11 years ago | (#5547030)

Perhaps, but their earliest Linux boxes, from about four years ago, ran Red Hat. Ran it well, I might add; one was my desktop machine when I worked there (although it performed some server-like functions because of the work I did), and it was bedrock-stable. The only times it ever crashed were when I did something stupid when mucking about with the kernel.

Oh, and as far as Linux-vs.-HP-UX: Two entirely different animals, with entirely different market spaces. Only the PA-RISC workstations have any overlap, and their primary market is CAD, running specialized applications that may or may not ever get ported to Linux.

news.google.com does it again! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546768)

/. needs to start having a look like news.google.com... "5 hours ago, 2 hours ago", etc.

I saw this at 8am CST this morning on news.google.com. Wondered how long it would take to get on the front page here.

news.google.com is shit (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546925)

Check the sale-foot-navigation category [google.com], which RMS insisted be called GNU/saleftnav. Second story from the page is from "morons.org". 'nuff said.

beware of smoke and mirrors (1, Interesting)

pastorBernie (629093) | about 11 years ago | (#5546774)

As i have always said before on this board, abstraction breeds fundamentalism. HP has long had a reputation for just doing what it needs to do to please the masses, while offering no real substance to its service or products. Recent reports [google.com] have even stated that HP will be adding proprietary software to the RH distro as time goes on.

Just my 2 cents

Predictable (2, Insightful)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | about 11 years ago | (#5546776)

The corporate world is not quite ready to roll out a community based distro, and they probably never will be. While there is support for these distros as well (from third parties), most companies like getting support from the original vendor, for obvious liability reasons.

The real issue is if this will see HP really pushing linux through its sales channels instead of just being another "we recommend Windows 2000" shill.

Why not? (2, Interesting)

Thud457 (234763) | about 11 years ago | (#5547020)

"The corporate world is not quite ready to roll out a community based distro"

I thought the enemy of my enemy was my friend or some such. Works GREAT for U.S. foreign policy! ;-)

Why don't IBM, HP, SUN et al just throw together a good entry-level common distro and give it away just to GUT Microsoft ? Are they afraid the DOJ will sue them for collusion?!!

Any money to be made on Linux is all in the support.

Great. (-1, Offtopic)

Fnkmaster (89084) | about 11 years ago | (#5546777)

We are about to invade Iraq, and all we can talk about is who sells Red Hat and who uses Yellow Dog. I mean, there is a time and place for all things. But really, maybe we should all collectively tune in to CNN and keep track of the world around us as events unfold before our eyes. Good, bad, or indifferent, it's happening, it's big news, and we should keep track of the things that really matter.

And while I don't exactly support the idea of preemptive attacks on pseudo-rogue nations that have no proven ability or desire to strike out at us or our allies currently, it's comforting to know that we have a military capable of neutralizing serious foreign threats.

It would be even more comforting if we had a President who knew how to cooperate on the world stage, to use the tools of diplomacy and foreign policy to avoid the wars that put young men and women's lives on the line. These men and women of the same age group as the many Slashdot readers. Men and women with sons, daughters, mothers and fathers. We should support our troops as individuals, brave people willing to die defending their country and ideals, even if they, like us, don't always agree with the ideals or policies of our leaders.

But at the same time, we can't forget that our President is a loose cannon, putting the stability and safety of our world on the line with a risky gamble, based on questionable evidence and questionable policies, that may lead us down the path to further war and conflict in other regions around the globe.

Re:Great. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546852)

Can't we do both? I read your post while listening to streaming NPR at 0rk.

Re:Great. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546974)

Sure, mod me down. It's not offtopic when we are going to war, you fucking dipshits. Get a clue. What's offtopic is the fucking Linux fanboyism on a day like this.

BANG (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546779)

...another nail in Sun's coffin.....

Re:BANG (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546836)

According to Slashdot's crowd, the following have been driven out of business by the explosive populartiy of Linux...

John Ashcroft's Justice Department Five and the FBI Trumpet Trio
The Chipmunks
Miss Cleo
Philip Morris
United Airlines
University of California/Berkeley

Re:BANG (0)

Khakionion (544166) | about 11 years ago | (#5546906)

Heh...Sun sure does seem to be lashing out at Microsoft quite a bit recently...first, they poked fun at them after dropping the .NET stuff (which I thought was pretty hokey anyway), and now they're taking shots on the CLR and C# [sun.com]. Could this be death throes? Or mindless banter? Hmm....

Free? (2, Interesting)

jmays (450770) | about 11 years ago | (#5546831)

So what price will we _pay_ for finally seeing a large consumer desktop/server seller (HP) support and sell _free_ software?

oH Bbaby (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546832)

Linux on Compaq server hardware and supported by the vendor? Dare I dream?

Worried... what does this do for x86-64 support? (5, Interesting)

onethumb (4479) | about 11 years ago | (#5546845)

I'm a little concerned that this may lead to no x86-64 (Opteron, Althon64) support from RedHat. :(

HP co-owns the IP for Itanium with Intel, so they have a vested interest in seeing Itanium get lots of support, and AMD x86-64 get none. RedHat has already announced Itanium versions of Advanced Server [redhat.com], but AFAIK, has been silent on the x86-64 front.

SuSE has announced [suse.com] long ago that they'd release x86-64 versions of their distro to coincide with Opteron's release, and they seem to be actively involved [x86-64.org] with that process.

Am I being paranoid here? Or does it look like RH might not support the most cost-effective 64bit platform going? Not all of us have deep pockets for I2. :(

my smug mug is on smugmug [smugmug.com] ... is yours?

Re:Worried... what does this do for x86-64 support (3, Informative)

stratjakt (596332) | about 11 years ago | (#5546989)

HP is selling and doing phone support for Red Hat. They dont own Red Hat, conrol Red Hat, or any of the such.

If HP chooses only to sell Itanium based rigs, that's their perogitive. If you want a hammer-equiped red hat rig, dont get it from HP.

So just relax. This is just HP making sure the latest IT buzzword is prominent in their marketing literature.

The real surprise: HP, $2 billion in Linux revenue (4, Interesting)

LinuxParanoid (64467) | about 11 years ago | (#5546860)

An HP/Red Hat support partnership is sort of no big deal. It's great to see, but not a surprise.

What left me semi-stunned (until I regained my natural skepticism) was the following sentence:

Today's announcement builds on our $2 billion in Linux-based revenue in 2002 and our decade of commitment to the open source and Linux communities," said Peter Blackmore, executive vice president, HP Enterprise Systems Group. (emphasis mine.)

Where the heck does HP get this figure from? (And if VA Linux couldn't make it in the Linux hardware biz, how come HP is making $2 billion revenues just a couple years later?)

"Sniff test" problems here... but I wouldn't mind being enlightened by someone from HP.


Re:The real surprise: HP, $2 billion in Linux reve (4, Informative)

borroff (267566) | about 11 years ago | (#5546986)

Remember, HP isn't only hardware; they have a large share of the systems management software market (Openview), and a consulting group as well. If you count all the Openview agent licenses for Linux boxes (which aren't cheap), plus consulting income, plus embedded linux revenue, $2B seems within reach.

Re:The real surprise: HP, $2 billion in Linux reve (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5547046)

Well, for one thing, our company bought a ton (think hundreds) of their $7,000 Linux workstations (Dual Xeon, 2 Gb Memory, yada yada). Plus 24x7x365 support anywhere in the world. It's a big contract that they got (definitely in the millions). I think they got a bunch of contracts for big Beowulf clusters too last year.

Plus, don't forget they now own Compaq. Compaq servers were being dished out a long time with Linux, so all of the Compaq servers with Linux were prob counted too. Let's not forget Alpha servers that shipped with Linux as well.

About the only bitch I had with HP was their workstations were shipping with RH 7.1. And it was a hideously nasty version of it too.

While I find $2 billion to be a bit on the high side, I could definitely see $1 billion just from digging through press releases & what not.

No they won't be selling.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546875)

..they will be REselling RedHat. There's all the difference in the world there.

HP (-1, Troll)

FrostedWheat (172733) | about 11 years ago | (#5546888)

Does anyone else find the underline below every mention of HP in the press release annoying.

Oh, just me:)

Re:HP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5546994)

It's not underlined, it's abbreviated. If your browser renders it with an underline, and you don't like it, then get another browser. Or pick another stylesheet or something like that.

Commodity linux would be news (0, Insightful)

uncadonna (85026) | about 11 years ago | (#5546916)

This is hardly news at all.

Lindows at Walmart.com was news.

When will I be able to walk into Best Buy or Circuit City or a bricks n mortar Wal-Mart and see laptops and consumer desktops that don't make me want to scream in agony?

That will be news.

HP is always 2 years too late. (1)

p!ssa (660270) | about 11 years ago | (#5546972)

Carly has been sniffing IBM's magic "server healing pixie dust" too long, didnt they make a J2EE app server after the market was already flooded? Maybe she needs IBM to retune her "business binoculars", hers are looking into the past.

at last HP dives in (1)

urbieta (212354) | about 11 years ago | (#5547025)

Wasnt someone fired from HP when it merged with compaq because of hotshot scared of microsoft undermining them for using linux? this is good tho

Too much too late... (0)

domenic v1.0 (610623) | about 11 years ago | (#5547038)

for HP to try to jump into the Linux-server sector. IBM owns that market sector and has owned it from the start. It just seems to be HP's futile effort to gain revenue in a sector IBM dominates in already. Good luck to HP, they have a lot of catching up to do.
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