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Strike on Iraq

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the here-it-comes-folks dept.

News 4183

According to CNN and various other news sources, Iraq is now under attack by the US. Here is a link to the current story running at CNN right now, but there's really not much except that it has started. CT Cruise missiles launched against "Target of Opportunity". The full assault has not begun. CT The attack was specifically intended to take out Saddam. CT Saddam appeared on iraqi TV to condemn the US, and Iraqi missiles have been fired at Kuwait.

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4183 comments

And today (2, Insightful)

Daikiki (227620) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549778)

I am ashamed to call myself an American.

Re:And today (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549798)

Then leave. Nobody forces you to remain an American.

Re:And today (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549830)

Idiot. Are you ashamed that this war will cause millions of opressed, impoverished people to be unburdened from the tyrannical regime they have been enslaved to? Are you ashamed that America is standing up to the duplicitous continental European nations who have been selling the aforementioned tyrant advanced weapons and equipment for the last decade?

What are you ashamed of exactly?

Re:And today (2, Flamebait)

Zuke8675309 (470025) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549835)

You're ashamed to be freeing the Iraqi people from a government that gasses it's own people, that has tortured people by forcing husbands to watch their wives get raped, that has hung women upside down while they menstruate to humiliate them, that has killed people by putting them into large machines designed to shred plastic?

Re:And today (5, Insightful)

KiahZero (610862) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549886)

No, I'm pretty sure that he's ashamed to be a citizen of a country that sees no problem in waging agressive war (This being a war crime) and killing innocent civilians. I'm pretty sure he's ashamed that our country supported Saddam when we knew he did all those things.

Re:And today (2, Insightful)

TheBoostedBrain (622439) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549858)

Don't be ashamed. I'm sad. It's just horrible, a totally unjustified war. I wish anyone could do something...

I hope America pays dearly (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549892)

Lets see:
a) Biological attack on US soil - eg, man infected with smallpox "delivered" to US
b) 911 part 2

etc etc

Americans will die like never before, then maybe you will give up your war-mongering ways so the world can return to peace.

FLAMEBAIT MY ARSE (0, Insightful)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549899)

As well you should be ashamed. The American people had the power to stop this war. Most were just too lazy or engulfed in blind patriotism to give a shit.

DIE, AMERICA, DIE! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549780)

die a painful lonely death in the desert!

GWB is a tool. (0, Troll)

grumpygrodyguy (603716) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549781)

...and a bigger threat to world peace than Hussein ever was.

dang (1)

LBArrettAnderson (655246) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549782)

that was fast.

I still think they should wait a day or 2 for some more psychological effect on the people, and possibly more defections.

anyone know if the sandstorm is worse for American troops and equipment or iraqi visibility?

Re:dang (2, Funny)

sx10 (615919) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549836)

I think huge bombs exploding will produce a sufficient psychological effect...

Re:dang (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549845)

It's Time! [bigfatbaby.com]

Re:dang (1)

nyc_paladin (534862) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549877)

The military is more concerned about how the dust is going to affect night visiblity.

Re:dang (5, Insightful)

Peterus7 (607982) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549901)

Oh, the sandstorms... Yeah. The general just saw the Children of Dune trilogy on sci fi channel and has gone fremen on the Iraqis.

Still, I'm secretly hoping Bush is saying to himself, "Damn. They called my bluff." But I know that won't happen. People are gonna die in this one, a lot more than last time. World war 3, no, but there will be blood.

If Saddam drags this one into the streets, it could get really ugly. Less chance of chemical bombs, yes, but inner city combat... Children with AK 47s that they found off their father's bodies, women and children getting caught in the crossfire. Bloody ugly.

Or everybody might just surrendur, the oilfields will explode, and Saddam will enver be seen again, aside from really crappy home videos of the type Ossamma is STILL sending us. Whatever happened to him anyways? Why have we stopped caring about him? I hear people saying "remember 9-11, go to war with Iraq..." and then I think about it, and it's so stupid. Saddam and Bin Laden are different people with different goals. Both assholes, but they are not connected really. I remember 9-11, and I don't want to see innocents get killed over something that has nothing to do with it. Sure Saddam is a despot, but HOW MANY FRICKING DESPOTS ARE THERE CURRENTLY IN AFRICA COMMITTING GENOCIDE, MURDURER, AND SPAMMING TECHNIQUES?

Grr.

the draft (1, Funny)

King of Caffiene (517266) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549788)

i'm looking forward to the draft, whos with me?

Re:the draft (5, Insightful)

LBArrettAnderson (655246) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549817)

no need. With games like SOCOM and America's Army floating around, people are joining the army like crazy. They're still turning most people down who want to join, so a draft won't be happening for a while.

PsyOps (3, Informative)

MaximumBob (97339) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549790)

The talking heads are reporting that this may or may not have been a PsyOp, saying that it was likely targeted at Iraqi leadership or command and control.

The Iranian news agency is also reporting that there may be explosions on the peninsula near Basra. Tony Blair will be addressing the UK at 10:30 EST (3:30 AM GMT, I think).

Re:PsyOps (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549871)

Bush is speaking now at 7:15 PST. So, why am I writing about this for all eternity? Gotta do something!

Re:PsyOps (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549898)

I heard (can't find the link) that the explosion was from an opportunity shot with a cruise missile. Apparantly they got a bead on somebody important and tried to take them out.

War is here... (0)

XplosiveX (644740) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549791)

I will be glued to CNN to see how our forces are doing in Iraq.

prayers (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549792)

Here's hoping it'll be over quickly with minimum casualties. My prayers go out not only to the allied troops, but to the Iraqis (Assyrians, Chaldeans, Kurds and Turkmen) aswell.

beginning of WWIII? (2, Flamebait)

stonebeat.org (562495) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549794)

is this begininning of WWIII? I think so.

Re:beginning of WWIII? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549867)

Probably not, we have major countries at odds with each other, but I doubt it would come to blows, they must know better then that by now. What we have hear is divided opinion on what to do with Saddam. The US & Britain want to act now, others want to wait and give the inspectors more time to find evidence. It doesn't matter anymore though, war has started, but I doubt it'll last long given the superior US air power

Re:beginning of WWIII? (1)

Wayfare (607388) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549868)

How is the parent flamebait? I mean honestly. If this goes on longer than is expected, it's possible that more countries will get involved. I'm ready - are you?

Re:beginning of WWIII? (1)

Lokni (531043) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549883)

No, its not the beginning of WW 3. Iraq has very few allies if any. The only way I can see WW3 starting is if China got involved, and/or North Korea decided to attack South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, US forces in Sea of Japan, etc. It is possible that Iraq has some secret agreements of mutual defense with another country but I think that is very unlikely.

\o/ (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549796)

Hooray!

Iraqi perspective (-1, Flamebait)

MoeMoe (659154) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549797)

Well... there goes the neighborhood

first bomb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549799)

boom!!!!\

sad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549800)

I hope that the casulaties are kept to a minimum

Re:sad (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549904)

I say we wipe the whole fucking country off the map.

Anyone else for the Carthage treatment?

Dammit (0, Offtopic)

T0t0r0_fan (658111) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549801)

First post(for me) for such a topic... damn the war...

well well well (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549803)

go saddam go ...

Cover your ass! (-1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549804)

get your duck tape ready kids, or your ass may not survive through the morning.

Just think, 3 years ago the biggest news item was that the republicans were trying to impeach Clinton because he lied about having consentual sex with his intern. Big fucking deal.

Today, we're on the verge of WWIII, by a man who wasn't elected, is doing it for the oil, and is too stupid to realize the long term consequences of his actions. And some of the men who work for Bush are the very same men who supported Saddam during his use of Chemical weapons in the 1980's.

Alliances are gone, terror is growing, and the US is isolating ourselves more every day. I once thought we had a shot at world peace, but now I know different.

Amazing how much damange can be done in such a short amount of time.

WAR SUCKS!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549805)

NO WAR!!

--nxtw

please father.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549806)

my mommy says those are my no-no spots

War Pigs (5, Insightful)

akheron01 (637033) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549807)

I just happened to be listenning to War Pigs on my Paranoid vinyl when I saw this story. If you mod this as offtopic you obviously don't know the lyrics of War Pigs.

Re:War Pigs (2, Interesting)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549880)


Time will tell on their power minds (?)
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait 'til their judgement day comes


That's what I remember from memory; for some reason looking it up on google doesn't seem esp important at the moment.

News in English (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549809)

Too bad the only news channel I get is in Spanish... It should be interesting to see how this plays out.

Low Casualty (0, Troll)

pedaws (534387) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549810)

It's like prison rape, best if they get it over with quickly...

About time. (-1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549811)

This should have happened 10 years ago.

Re:About time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549882)

I agree, and modded this up because I feel from reading the comments that it is an under-represented view. And after hearing about the facts, a correct one. We've tried peacefully dis-armming Saddam peacfully, and it's failed.

War is a last resort, but we've reached it.

Such a shame... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549812)

Did it have to come to this?

Surgical strike against iraqi leadership (2, Informative)

jake_boeckx (615933) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549814)

The beginings were a surgical strike against leading figures in the Iraqi army (not saddam). Cruise missles and f-117 stealth bombers

Cool, good viewing on the TV at last. (-1, Funny)

nickgrieve (87668) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549815)

I like wars, make for great veiwing... best reality TV ever.

I can imagine why (1)

shayborg (650364) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549816)

The goal is to get it over with before summer. Do you know how hot those Iraqi summers can get? Can you imagine our patriotic American soldiers toiling away in defense of their country with the hot, foreign Middle Eastern sun beating down mercilessly on their heavily camouflaged backs? Heaven forbid!

-- shayborg

It will not be over by summer (4, Insightful)

JoeBuck (7947) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549852)

That is, while Saddam will be gone by summer, US troops will have to be there forever, and they are likely to find themselves under guerilla attack from various factions who don't accept US rule.

Canada (-1, Flamebait)

initnull (512461) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549818)

May usa learn their ignorants error by the same way that they think peace is.

Ignorants desinformed, go watch CNN.

FIRST BOMB! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549820)

FIRST BOMB!
Ooops. Too late.

Not necessarily the war yet (0, Troll)

Control-Z (321144) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549821)


It's been reported as a US cruise missle attack on an unexpected target of opportunity.

Good luck to all the US soldiers, I think when the fighting starts those anti-war protestors should switch to SUPPORTING OUR TROOPS! I know if I was over there I wouldn't want to hear about protests at home, I would want to hear about support.

Re:Not necessarily the war yet (5, Insightful)

MaximumBob (97339) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549851)

I'm against the war, but I don't see being against the war as being against our troops.

There are a lot of good reasons we shouldn't have done this. Now that we're committed, though, I want the war to end quickly, and I want us to win. I figure that's the best way to minimize the loss of lives (both American and Iraqi).

But being against an unjust war doesn't make one against our troops.

Re:Not necessarily the war yet (4, Insightful)

bsignorelli (614421) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549869)

I think when the fighting starts those anti-war protestors should switch to SUPPORTING OUR TROOPS! I know if I was over there I wouldn't want to hear about protests at home, I would want to hear about support.

It is still possible to protest the war but support the troops. Remember that those troops are over there so the protesters CAN protest.

Re:Not necessarily the war yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549894)

What if the troops stopped fighting and started protesting? I don't want to hear about innocent people dying over there, i want to hear about soldiers over there refusing to fight. That is the kind of support i want.

War has begun? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549822)

So, does that mean we've set up someone the bomb?

Splat time! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549823)

I'm betting we go in through the south

ph33r Madwarfle

Headline should read (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549825)

George Bush is a War Criminal

War and the DEATH of FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549826)

The End of FreeBSD

[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

Discussion

I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

Shouts

To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers that they sideline you. The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean and building is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have their moments in the sun. In the end, we need you all; in order to go forwards we must first avoid going backwards.

To the paranoid conspiracy theorists - yes, I work for Apple too. No, my resignation wasn't on Steve's direct orders, or in any way related to work I'm doing, may do, may not do, or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today. It's about real problems that the project faces, real problems that the project has brought upon itself. You can't escape them by inventing excuses about outside influence, the problem stems from within.

To the politically obsessed - give it a break, if you can. No, the project isn't a lemonade stand anymore, but it's not a world-spanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the more grandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality. Keep it simple, stupid.

To the grandstanders, the prima donnas, and anyone that thinks that they can hold the project to ransom for their own agenda - give it a break, if you can. When the current core were elected, we took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions, and some of you have exploited that. A new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough. I hope they learn from our errors.

Future

I started work on FreeBSD because it was fun. If I'm going to continue, it has to be fun again. There are things I still feel obligated to do, and with any luck I'll find the time to meet those obligations.

However I don't feel an obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now. I tried, I burnt out. I don't feel that my efforts were worthwhile. So I won't be standing for election, I won't be shouting from the sidelines, and I probably won't vote in the next round of ballots.

You could say I'm packing up my toys. I'm not going home just yet, but I'm not going to play unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again.

= Mike

--

To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt

Get your war on! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549827)

Get your war on! [mnftiu.cc]

This is disrupting my normal TV schedual!

Your tax dollars at work (1)

Nix0n (649693) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549828)

woot woot.

$2MM per cruise missile . . . *boom*

faster burn rate than webvan.com !

Get your war on... (0, Redundant)

tinrobot (314936) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549829)

Let the flame wars begin.

Disgusting... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549831)

The White House is reporting that President Bush is at ease with his decision. I believe our better forefathers would warn against any man who could ever be at ease with war; certainly our most heralded veterans could never be.

The day I am at ease with war, is the day I have lost my hope in humanity.

Russ Jones

It's about damn time (0)

chunkwhite86 (593696) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549834)

There's been waaaay to much in the way of "talks" and "negotiations" prior to this war.

It's about damn time that things got underway.

The world will be a better place once Saddam Hussein and his thugs are out of the picture.

God Bless our Troops.

Re:It's about damn time (1, Insightful)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549896)

The world will be a better place once Saddam Hussein and his thugs are out of the picture.

And how long, I wonder, before the next dictator and his thugs are in place.

Not full scale yet (2, Interesting)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549837)

So far these are just surgical strikes against the leadership, not the big bombing yet.

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549838)

...it's been a long, strange road to the inevitable. And sadly it will be a MUCH longer road until we can find out just what this will cost the world.

Doublespeak (4, Insightful)

PhxBlue (562201) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549839)

The "opening stages" of military action against Iraq have begun, White House press secretary Ari Fleischer announced Wednesday night.

I don't have a degree in Doublespeak, but I did take some of it in high school. In non-Beltway words, the "opening stages" of a vast military assault against a hopelessly undertrained and underequipped military are now underway.

My thoughts go out to all the involved combatants, American and Iraqi, and for anyone else who may come to harm. May this war be as brief and as painless as it can be made; and may we succeed afterward in rebuilding Iraq the way we succeeded in rebuilding Japan and Germany after World War II.

Targe of Opportunity (1)

nakhla (68363) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549840)

NBC news is reporting there may have been a "target of opportunity". In other words, something so good that it was worth starting the war early. There's no indication if it was Hussein or his sons. They're reporting that CENTCOM says the British are even shocked because they didn't expect it to start so soon. They must've seen something sweet and decided to jump on it while they could.

Michael Moore's Letter to Governor Bush (4, Troll)

EvilBastard (77954) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549841)

Got this in Email this morning, passing it along:

Published on Monday, March 17, 2003 by Michael Moore
A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War
by Michael Moore

George W. Bush
1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington, DC

Dear Governor Bush:

So today is what you call "the moment of truth," the day that "France and the rest of world have to show their cards on the table." I'm glad to hear that this day has finally arrived. Because, I gotta tell ya, having survived 440 days of your lying and conniving, I wasn't sure if I could take much more. So I'm glad to hear that today is Truth Day, 'cause I got a few truths I would like to share with you:

1. There is virtually NO ONE in America (talk radio nutters and Fox News aside) who is gung-ho to go to war. Trust me on this one. Walk out of the White House and on to any street in America and try to find five people who are PASSIONATE about wanting to kill Iraqis. YOU WON'T FIND THEM! Why? 'Cause NO Iraqis have ever come here and killed any of us! No Iraqi has even threatened to do that. You see, this is how we average Americans think: If a certain so-and-so is not perceived as a threat to our lives, then, believe it or not, we don't want to kill him! Funny how that works!

2. The majority of Americans -- the ones who never elected you -- are not fooled by your weapons of mass distraction. We know what the real issues are that affect our daily lives -- and none of them begin with I or end in Q. Here's what threatens us: two and a half million jobs lost since you took office, the stock market having become a cruel joke, no one knowing if their retirement funds are going to be there, gas now costs almost two dollars -- the list goes on and on. Bombing Iraq will not make any of this go away. Only you need to go away for things to improve.

3. As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you have to suck to lose a popularity contest with Saddam Hussein? The whole world is against you, Mr. Bush. Count your fellow Americans among them.

4. The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a SIN. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? Of course, this is a war you personally won't have to fight. Just like when you went AWOL while the poor were shipped to Vietnam in your place.

5. Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want to stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait right now and let them don their chemical warfare suits. And let's see every member of Congress with a child of military age also sacrifice their kids for this war effort. What's that you say? You don't THINK so? Well, hey, guess what -- we don't think so either!

6. Finally, we love France. Yes, they have pulled some royal screw-ups. Yes, some of them can pretty damn annoying. But have you forgotten we wouldn't even have this country known as America if it weren't for the French? That it was their help in the Revolutionary War that won it for us? That our greatest thinkers and founding fathers -- Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, etc. -- spent many years in Paris where they refined the concepts that lead to our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution? That it was France who gave us our Statue of Liberty, a Frenchman who built the Chevrolet, and a pair of French brothers who invented the movies? And now they are doing what only a good friend can do -- tell you the truth about yourself, straight, no b.s. Quit pissing on the French and thank them for getting it right for once. You know, you really should have traveled more (like once) before you took over. Your ignorance of the world has not only made you look stupid, it has painted you into a corner you can't get out of.

Well, cheer up -- there IS good news. If you do go through with this war, more than likely it will be over soon because I'm guessing there aren't a lot of Iraqis willing to lay down their lives to protect Saddam Hussein. After you "win" the war, you will enjoy a huge bump in the popularity polls as everyone loves a winner -- and who doesn't like to see a good ass-whoopin' every now and then (especially when it 's some third world ass!). So try your best to ride this victory all the way to next year's election. Of course, that's still a long ways away, so we'll all get to have a good hardy-har-har while we watch the economy sink even further down the toilet!

But, hey, who knows -- maybe you'll find Osama a few days before the election! See, start thinking like THAT! Keep hope alive! Kill Iraqis -- they got our oil!!

Yours, Michael Moore
www.michaelmoore.com

Re:Michael Moore's Letter to Governor Bush (1, Troll)

chunkwhite86 (593696) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549900)

In addition to being just plain wrong on all your points, you sir, are a Troll. May you be modded down as such until the end of time.

I feel a great disturbance in the force (1)

gstaines (607930) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549843)

I feel a great disturbance in the force.

Its as if a million voices cried out at once and then suddenly where drowned out by a: "Yee-Haa" from the cowboy(euro meaning) Dubya Bush.

Remember this day (1, Insightful)

rjamestaylor (117847) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549846)

And say a prayer for the innocents who will die because an evil man would not give up his reign of terror and leave Iraq.

Remember our troops (those from the coalition of the willing).

And don't forget those nations who, while agreeing that the Iraqi leader violated 17 UN resolutions demanding that he disarm himself of WMD, were willing to put their own selfish interest ahead of that of the people of Iraq, its neighbors, and the world at large.

This is a day of soberness and courage.

Glued to the TV... (4, Funny)

roc_machine (314714) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549847)

... with a notebook computer on my lap. I'm not sure if I'll get much sleep tonite. The minute I saw CBC switch to breaking news, I started refreshing slashdot every minute.

Internet vs. Television: For the techies out there, who will win this war?

the ILLEGAL war has begun (1, Insightful)

VoiceOfRaisin (554019) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549849)

get your title right.

Cruise Missle Attack (1, Redundant)

nyc_paladin (534862) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549850)

According to CNN there was a cruise missle attack sent to Iraq on a "target of opportunity". Have to wait till Bush speaks and lets us know what is going on.

War begins (2, Interesting)

56ker (566853) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549855)

but what's more important is the endgame. If you read the simulation the US had with Van Riper (who since resigned) it's going to be messier & longer than they think it will. How many casualties will the US get before they get cold feet?

BTW in the last Gulf War more American soldiers died in training and motor vehicle accidents than actual combat. Have the lessons of GWI been learned and things changed (by all accounts they are very similar to the way they were in '91).

This is boring (1)

LooseChanj (17865) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549856)

First down and Bagdad, let's hope it gets a little more exciting.

Target of Opportunity (1)

jkc120 (104731) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549857)

Until we hear from Bush, we don't really know what's going on. However, the AP is reporting that this was perhaps the US going after a 'target of opportunity', implying some Iraqi officials were found and targetted. It may not be the full-scale war yet, we'll have to wait and see.

Inside Sites/Blogs (5, Informative)

Davak (526912) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549859)

Other than typical news sites...

-- Debka (Middle East News) [debka.com]
-- Official Iraqi News [uruklink.net]
-- Where is Read? - Iraqi Blog [blogspot.com]
-- Kuwait Blog [qhate.com]
-- Back to Iraq Blog [back-to-iraq.com]
-- Iraq today [einnews.com]
-- Warblogs.cc [warblogs.cc]
-- Kevin Sites [kevinsites.net]
-- Sky.com [sky.com]
-- BCC News Live Feed [bbc.co.uk]
-- Agonist [agonist.org]

CBSnews also has a beautiful high detail webcam without all the crap on the bottom of the screen.
God bless our soldiers.

Davak

CMDR Taco is wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549860)

The US is not "Attacking Iraq". Were Liberating it.
--May God save us all.

First war post! (3, Insightful)

whereiswaldo (459052) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549861)

I know, this isn't a joke, but let's pretend the war was taking place in the US. Imagine it in your mind. Then turn on the TV and look at their cute little "Showdown with Saddam" graphics and glitz. I bet many of the people at the television station have absolutely no idea what war is like. It's degrading to anyone fighting the war that it is treated like a game. This is, of course, no game.

There goes the planet... (0)

evilmuffins (631482) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549862)

I'm just waiting for this to be the cause of World War III, 6.4 billion years isn't too bad a run though...

News Restricted to Canada on Yahoo! (1)

shirai (42309) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549863)

Interesting usage of technology to restrict access to information. Just tried to access the news on the war on Yahoo! and I could not access these stories. Very surprising since Yahoo! typically doesn't have access or bandwidth problems. Plus, I can access sports stories just fine.

However, if I try to access the war stories through a U.S. Proxy (amegaproxy.com) I can call up the stories just fine.

This is good (0)

NightEyez (166886) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549864)

Took long enough to get this going. Let's take Saddam out and move on to the next terrorist country. Go USA!!

Waiting (5, Interesting)

ELCarlsson (570500) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549865)

I'm in the US Air Force stationed Germany at work right now and we've been watching CNN non-stop all night. There is definatly a nervous tension in the air right now. But we're ready. I may not totally agree with Bush but I'll do the job I was trained to do.

Not How its Supposed To Be (5, Insightful)

Snagle (644973) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549866)

This is the start of somthing bad. As a British parlament member said few days ago, The weakening of the United Nations and the European Union are huge casualties to have before a bullet has been fired. This is a perfect example of why everyone hates the US. We are arrogant and feel the rules dont apply to us.

Sorry, not top of my list.... (1)

Brushfireb (635997) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549870)

Sorry, Southpark has a new episode tonight.

War takes a close second.

Brushfireb

Laugh Time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549872)

War Protester Dies in Fall from Golden Gate Bridge

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) March 19 - A man protesting the looming U.S. war on Iraq fell to his death from San Francisco's famed Golden Gate Bridge on Wednesday as he was hanging a banner, officials said.

"He appears to have been hanging a banner of some kind," said California Highway Patrol officer Timothy Willock. "We're not sure if he decided to jump or slipped while he was, you know, hanging the banner. That's unclear right now."

Anti-war sentiment is strong in the San Francisco Bay Area but the death of the man in his 30s was the first related to the latest protests over the U.S.-led war against Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

Darwin Award pending . . .

WWIII (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549873)

Maybe if N Korea attacks too

oy.. (1)

Derg (557233) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549874)

[name of spiritual leader / deity] Help Us. Its the begining of the end.

i just heard... (2, Informative)

- rayyyy - (637502) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549875)

...that the US inteligence found a "target of opportunity" in Baghdad...meaning that there was a senior or high-ranking official sighted that US intelligence thought they could hit. thats why the bombings came so unannounced.

Liberation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549879)


War is never a pleasant thing, however, it is sometimes needed.

I am glad it has started, and being "prior-service" my prayers go to my fellow soldiers. The sooner it starts, the sooner it ends.

Let freedom ring.

WAR IS COMING (0, Insightful)

Erect Horsecock (655858) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549881)

Prepare yourself for the worst it's coming soon
I believe in those foretold prophecies of doom
They say the end is close, it's coming fast
Not every single one of us is gonna last
So, stand and fight or kill yourself right now
It'll be one less motherfucker to kill
Skin shot, burned, stabbed, scorched and torn
This pain is real - you can't ignore...

War is coming

Arm yourself with the right to kill at will
Shoot to kill it's them or you
Time to choose, time to choose or die
Blood's pouring from the hole in your side
Take the pain - it'll focus and strengthen you
Take the pain - or your life's fuckin' through
Face the pain - let it become part of you
Take the pain

War is coming

Prepare yourself for the worst it's coming soon
I believe in those foretold prophecies of doom
They say the end is close, it's coming fast
Not every single one of us is gonna last
So, stand and fight or kill yourself right now
It'll be one less motherfucker to kill
Skin shot, burned, stabbed, scorched and torn
This pain is real - you can't ignore...

War is coming

WAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

wow I can only imagine (1)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549884)

the moderation and meta-moderation that is about to happen on this thread...

"unlike anything" (1)

dcmeserve (615081) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549889)

From the CNN front page:

Navy commander tells sailors attack will be "unlike anything anyone has ever seen before"

Isn't that what Steve Jobs said about the new iMac?

war (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5549891)

War! huh-yeah
What is it good for? Absolutely nothing
Uh-huh

War! huh-yeah What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing Say it again y'all

War! huh good God What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing Listen to me?

Ohhh? War! I despise Because it means destruction?
Of innocent lives

War means tears to thousands of mothers eyes
When their sons go to fight and lose their lives

I said - War! Huh Good God y'all
What is it good for? Absolutely nothing
Say it again

War! Whoa, Lord ... What is it good for
Absolutely nothing Listen to me?

War! It ain't nothing but a heartbreaker
War! Friend only to the undertaker
War! It's an enemy to all mankind
The thought of war blows my mind

War has caused unrest in the younger generation
Induction then destruction- Who wants to die?

Ohhh? War Good God y'all What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing Say it, Say it, Say it

War! Uh-huh Yeah - Huh! What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing Listen to me?

War! It ain't nothing but a heartbreaker
War! It's got one friend, that's the undertaker
War has shattered many a young mans dreams
Made him disabled bitter and mean
Life is much to precious to spend fighting wars these days
War can't give life, it can only take it away

War! Huh Good God y'all What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing Say it again

War! Whoa, Lord ... What is it good for
Absolutely nothing Listen to me?

War! It ain't nothing but a heartbreaker
War! Friend only to the undertaker
Peace Love and Understanding;
tell me, is there no place for them today?
They say we must fight to keep our freedom
But Lord knows there's got to be a better way

War! Huh Good God y'all What is it good for?
You tell me Say it, Say it, Say it

War! Huh Good God y'all What is it good for?
Stand up and shout it. Nothing!

Iraq, Arrakis (0)

Devil's BSD (562630) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549893)

Slightly non-war-related, but has anyone ever noticed the similarities in the names?

Makes you proud to be American (0, Flamebait)

Pengel the squib (300408) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549895)

Not

Support our troops. (2, Troll)

PearlJamFan (648751) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549903)

Regardless of whether you agree with the war or not (I sure as hell do not) we all have to support our troops.

have a drink (1, Redundant)

r00tarded (553054) | more than 11 years ago | (#5549907)

gulf war drinking game [gulfwardrinkinggame.com]
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