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Texas Rep Wants To Jail File Traders

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the modest-proposal dept.

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kUnGf00m45t3r writes "There is an article on Wired about how Texas Rep. John Carter wants to jail some college students to scare people away from illegal file sharing. He says, "What these kids don't realize is that every time they pull up music and movies and make a copy, they are committing a felony under the United States code," Carter said in an interview. "If you were to prosecute someone and give them three years, I think this would act as a deterrent." Right..."

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What these kids don't realize (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5553927)

Am I the only one who finds this to be condescending? "These kids" is no better than "you people" - I'm sure most Americans will remember the "you people" scandal from the mid-90s.

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5553928)

W00t!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

First Post. (-1, Offtopic)

The Apostrophe Guy (644728) | more than 11 years ago | (#5553936)

I hope this is the first post.

Hmmm... (5, Funny)

91degrees (207121) | more than 11 years ago | (#5553938)

Does this bill also contain credit for all the CD's I've legally purchased? I mean, say I have 100 legally purchased songs on CD, and I've pirated 99 songs on mp3, this still represents a net sale of 1 song by the record industry.

Using RIAA screwy logic, does this mean that I haven't actually cost them anything?

Re:Hmmm... (1)

tomknight (190939) | more than 11 years ago | (#5553965)

No, by their logic (and, let's face it - most people's logic) it means they're potentially lost 99 sales (or sales of however many CDs that 99 songs equates to). Their logic's not actually all that unsound, but maybe the premises with which they start are - therein lies the problem.

Tom.

Re:Hmmm... (3, Interesting)

jhunsake (81920) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554076)

The key point, as I'm sure you were making by italicizing it, is potentially. In my case, they haven't lost any sales, because I will never pay for music again. Not under any circumstances whatsoever. But I will (and do) download music and occasionally rip friends' CDs. And should this imply, as some claim, that there is no incentive then for artists to make new music, that is fine with me. I would be happy listening to what I already have for the rest of my life. I guess this means I believe no one should be a musician by profession.

Re:Hmmm... (1)

Sunda666 (146299) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554100)

Amem, brother

The key point is, why the hell would I pay for new music since it is all a bunch of crap? I'd rather
stick to my beloved old zeppelin, purple, iron maiden, hendrix, joplin, who, etc, etc, etc ripped
albuns than to pay RIAA for this new shit.

And, of course, if I happen to like some song I hear, there is always the new underground italian napster
to get it. I also will never buy a fscking CD again. If I want to support some artist, i'll attend to a
concert or something, but it's rare in this place :-P

cheers

Re:Hmmm... (2, Insightful)

jhunsake (81920) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554134)

I agree, I do attend concerts. That is where most artists make their money anyways.

Re:Hmmm... (2, Insightful)

ch-chuck (9622) | more than 11 years ago | (#5553989)

Huh? Talk about screwy logic - where does it say "for every song purchase you get to steal one" ?! If you purchased 100 cd's great. If you've pirated 99 mp3's, you've committed 99 felonies, no matter how many you bought legally. No, obeying the law doesn't make you eligible to commit crimes ;)

Sheesh.

Re:Hmmm... (2, Interesting)

91degrees (207121) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554012)

Well, why the hell not? Normally if I give someone in a shop some money, and take away an item worth less than the amount that I gave them, it would not be considered stealing.

Why is it a crime in the first place when the record company has made money from it? Who has been injured?

If I was put in jail instead, they wouldn't have had that one single sale. Therefore, the punishment is punishing the victim as well.

Re:Hmmm... (1)

tomknight (190939) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554054)

And if you buy 100 items from a shop and then steal 99, is that okay?

Tom.

Re:Hmmm... (4, Insightful)

91degrees (207121) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554122)

We're not talking about stealing here. We're talking about copyright infringement. i.e. violation opf their exclusive right to reproduce.

Re:Hmmm... (1)

grep_a_life (234527) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554011)

Based on what I've observed with the RIAA, nope, your 100 legally purchased songs would mean squat, even if you only have one measly pirated song if they come prosecuting your ass.

Though... the numbers would be valuable to them to conjure up those screwed over statistics of theirs. Not to mention some purrty, colorful pie-graphs for lobbying.

When will they understand? (2, Interesting)

LeoDV (653216) | more than 11 years ago | (#5553941)

The 'felony' he speaks of comes from a law that is of a special kind: the kind of laws that we need to have, but are also meant never to be enforced.

Re:When will they understand? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5553954)

what bastards

Re:When will they understand? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554018)

I'm trying to decide if you're being sarcastic. I truly hope you are. Overly harsh laws that are passed but never meant to be inforced? And who is gonna console the first person thrown in jail for 3 years when the RIAA goes after them with those words...

"Well we didn't actually mean anyone to USE the law..."

Or... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5553942)

they could give a punishment worth the crime. Hell if I was gonna get 3 years jail for something I'd want to commit a crime worthwhile! :D

Re:Or... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5553964)

Yes, you're supposed to commit that crime after you spent the three years in prison. That's how the US justice works.

Yeah, right.... (2, Insightful)

DrInequality (521068) | more than 11 years ago | (#5553944)

Jail file traders but elect presidents (well almost) who declare war on other countries for no good reason.

The world is going to hell in a handbasket.

Re:Yeah, right.... (3, Insightful)

tomknight (190939) | more than 11 years ago | (#5553979)

After all, the Pres has said that he'd spring from jail (in EU) any US citizen convicted of a crime by the International Court. Now who's respecting the international community? God, this man's hypocrisy makes me want to vomit. Yeah, this is offtopic but what the hell does any of this shit matter anyway?

Tom.

Re:Yeah, right.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5553987)

Who let the Dogs out?

Re:Yeah, right.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5553995)

Ugh..whats a good reason?

I know this isn't the place..but I think displacing tyrants who slaughter thousands of their own people is a pretty damned good reason.

Sorry, I can't let stupidity go as such.

Re:Yeah, right.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554022)

I think you're forgetting who helped Saddam Hussein get the chemical weapons he used to gas his own people. Do you _really_ think Bush gives a toss about the fact Hussein's an evil bastard? Think for yourself.

Tom.

Re:Yeah, right.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554082)

So you're suggesting two wrongs make a right? Give him the weapons then, aw heck, just let him use them on us.... Your logic is fatally flawed. We erred in the past. We must now correct that error by removing the cancer we had a part in creating.

Re:Yeah, right.... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554104)

Well, the USA obviously consider throwing their children into jail for something which everybody is doing and which has been done at least since the advent of tape recorders. That means they are causing fear by ruining the lives of few. The president declares that the USA will attack Iraq with or without UN support, and they did attack without UN support. The USA are in a war right now which they declared and which violates the law of nations. They have nothing to fear: After all the USA don't recognize the international court of justice. The reason why the USA have trouble explaining to the world who the bad guys are isn't that the bad guys aren't bad -- it's that the USA are slowly becoming indistinguishable.

Re:Yeah, right.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554121)

No good reason? I would think chemical attacks on the Kurds in the North (repeatedly) would be a "good" reason. You must be in the camp that thinks if you ignore the problems, they will go away. Hitler proved otherwise (though Saddam has NOTHING on Hitler, same genre).

Fucking hippie. I will buy your ticket to become a human shield... just ante up jackass.

Nice Idea! (1)

zborro (591127) | more than 11 years ago | (#5553948)

Oh! What a great idea!
The more you steal the less you are punished.

marco

No war in my name.

Re:Nice Idea! (2, Funny)

unitron (5733) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554077)

"Oh! What a great idea!
The more you steal the less you are punished."

Yeah, but only if you're a CEO.

logic? (4, Interesting)

matt4077 (581118) | more than 11 years ago | (#5553952)

If you drive drunk and kill someone, you get 2 years, if you share 500 mp3s you get 3. Sounds fair to me.

Re:logic? (0, Troll)

richie2000 (159732) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554015)

Well, it's Texas. The next step would be to make sure that blacks pirating country music are put on death row, while white college football stars gets an 'attaboy', provided that they mostly pirate rap music. Ethnic cleansing and all that, you know.

Re:logic? what about message? (5, Insightful)

jkrise (535370) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554105)

I remember while rejecting the case for breaking up MS, Dubya said we don't want to send the wrong messages to American Corporations. They mustn't feel endangered to carry on innovating in their own country.

What message does jailing students send to American citizens? The one I can hear is "Innovative students who offend Corporations will be jailed. Even if the 'guilty act' does not merit such severe action ".

Texans don't have a good rep thee days (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5553958)

And stupidity like this doesn't help their cause... :)

Hey Mexico... (0)

Max Threshold (540114) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554132)

Let's make a deal... Texas for Cancun!

Deterrent... (5, Insightful)

constantnormal (512494) | more than 11 years ago | (#5553963)

... and maybe jailing a few congressmen for taking campaign contributions as bribes would provide some deterrence there as well...

Re:Deterrent... (3, Funny)

tomknight (190939) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554004)

..and then let us see how easily thay get their prison terms reduced...

Tom.

Re:Deterrent... (5, Funny)

jkrise (535370) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554116)

Jailing a few RI*A members would certainly prove to be the biggest boost to Innovation. Using the curious mathematical logic employed by the RIAA, we could then state that nobody was jailed. No intelligent human, anyway.

obvious where his political funding came from (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5553968)

once this becomes acceptable then other states will think this is a great idea too. last time I checked its not the people downloading files from the Internet ripping people off its the music industry with their high priced Cd's.

More Fascism (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5553970)

the USA is full of it.

He's got a point.... (4, Insightful)

Rhubarb Crumble (581156) | more than 11 years ago | (#5553971)

...think the punishment clearly doesn't fit the crime (and yes it is a crime), but I'm prepared to bet that it would act as a pretty good deterrent.

Re: Deterrent (1)

flokemon (578389) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554027)

Most countries/states have deterrent laws, which usually only include heavy fines, but those don't get applied, and this Texan project won't either - or I'll be very very surprised - and just as much as using the fines as deterrent does not work, this won't work either.

When file trading is outlawed... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5553974)

...only outlaws will trade files.

Interesting... (4, Funny)

rampant mac (561036) | more than 11 years ago | (#5553975)

Inmate 1: "Whatcha in for?"

Inmate 2: "6 to 10. Downloaded 'Wake Me Up Before You Go Go.'"

Inmate 1: "Can you hand me that soap?"

3 years of training and a felony conviction? (5, Insightful)

Fred IV (587429) | more than 11 years ago | (#5553976)

Great 3 years in prison is plenty of time for them to learn how to be a real criminal. And since the felony will create problems getting a job when they get out, they will have the inclination to do illegal things for money so they can eat and pay rent.

There just isn't enough violent crime in the US anymore. Let's all thank the Texan for finding a way to correct that problem.

Re:3 years of training and a felony conviction? (1)

flokemon (578389) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554002)


Yeah so when they get out after their 3 years they can commit a serious crime and get death penalty for it. Now Texas can effectively get rid of file traders.

Re:3 years of training and a felony conviction? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554026)

I thought that was only for black people, or the mentally ill, or foreigners.

Re:3 years of training and a felony conviction? (1)

jkrise (535370) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554066)

The first few students to get jail terms would be:

Russians - like Skylarov.
Non-whites - can't think of a gentler way of putting it.
Non-pork-eating students.

This would dovetail neatly into their propoganda that stealing == terrorism.

Re:3 years of training and a felony conviction? (1)

tomknight (190939) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554069)

Well, he might be right that it's a deterrant, but it's a fucking stupid idea. You mate, you have hit the nail right on the head. Prison and a felony tag indelibly stamped on you is not the way to go around improving the situation. Does "community service" exist in the States? In the UK it's used for lower end crimes where a fine or prison may not be appropriate.

Tom.

Nice logic, oh wait, no it's not (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5553978)

Just like throwing hackers in jail deters people from hacking into computers. Great logic sir, I salute you!

Stupid (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5553980)

His priorities are all fucked up.

His priority is corporate payrolls, not the people.

Revolition time, overthrow the gov. that the people Remember, the gov is SUPPOST to represent the PEOPLE, lately they just represent the CORPORATION.

Overthrow it.

You are NOT a Communist. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554008)

Your words are so true. But what people have to think about is how things would work after the revolution. Communism failed badly, so that is definitly out. So, a new system must be created, one that hasn't been seen before.

Re:You are NOT a Communist. (1)

jhunsake (81920) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554107)

Remove a corporation's right to contribute money to politicians or political parties. Problem solved.

Re:You are NOT a Communist. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554155)

but allot of the bribery that happens is under the table sort of stuff. And it's not just money. e.g. Big TV broadcasters refuse to broadcast certain minority groups ads, yet give discounts and freebies to corporations, and govt. bodies.
the govt. and corporate heads are in it together. it is deep rooted. For there to be justice, there has to some sort of cultural revolution. i don't know how or what though.

Re:Stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554148)

"SUPPOST"

Just give us your name so we don't vote you in as our new leader. I have had my stomach churned enough of leaders who are creative in vocabulary choices.

An ineffective stance (5, Insightful)

Motherfucking Shit (636021) | more than 11 years ago | (#5553984)

Says carter (according to the article),
Carter said making an example of a few college students could go a long way toward bringing home the message that sharing and duplicating copyrighted materials is wrong.


"Sometimes it takes the shock value of someone actually being punished," Carter said. "In this particular instance it might also send a message to these kids that are operating on these networks that, 'Hey, I better stop.'"

Students would learn quickly that copying even one album is not worth the potential punishment, he said.
So he wants to punish "a few" students in the hopes of deterring the rest of them? Sorry, it's not going to work. As the article mentions, there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of college students engaging in file sharing. Putting "a few" of them in prison isn't going to deter the remainder; instead, those who aren't among the unfortunate "few" will think what everyone else is thinking: "they might bust a few people, but they won't bust me."

Filesharing is, in my opinion, much like speeding. A whole hell of a lot of people do it, and only a small percentage ever get caught or have to face the music, so to speak. When more than half of drivers are doing 70 in a 55, and only 1 in 5,000 are pulled over and given a ticket, there is no deterrent! Similarly, if you've got hundreds of thousands of students sharing files illegally, and you only punish "a few" of them, that's not going to discourage the rest of them.

The idea that "they won't bust me" is always going to be prevalent. Either we put them all in jail for committing these horrible felonies, or we don't bother busting any of them.

Re:An ineffective stance (1)

JohnFluxx (413620) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554068)

er screw that. If they started jailing people, I would stop downloading songs.

As for your speeding example, if they gave a 3 year jail sentance for speeding, then you'd cut it down drastically I guarantee.

Enough half measures! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5553986)

Give them the death penalty because, as we all know, piracy supports terrorism and therefore these kids are a kind of terrorists themselves!

No votes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5553990)

I know a few folks who won't be voting for him next go around.The texas judicial system and law enforcement are riddled with corruption, drugs,etc. and this fag wants to put some kid away for downloading a few cheesy mp3's?I guess the citizens of texas are realizing now of where his head is at, it's up his ass.And we all know now what that brown film is on his lips.Sheesh, I even heard he's trying to make it a law here that requires you to get your lawnmower registered and inspected because it's a motor vehicle.
Fscking inbred retard.

Re:No votes (1)

phuturephunk (617641) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554014)

The texas judicial system and law enforcement are riddled with corruption, drugs,etc. and this fag wants to put some kid away for downloading a few cheesy mp3's
...Ignornace denouncing ignorance...God Bless the USA..

Re:No votes (-1, Offtopic)

jhunsake (81920) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554112)

Is someone jealous of the USA?!

Unfortunately, no deterrent for idiocy. (1, Funny)

LazloToth (623604) | more than 11 years ago | (#5553991)

Too bad we can't jail congressmen for stupid remarks. Then again, maybe it's for the best. The prisons are overcrowded enough as it is, and the last thing these people need are more free meals.

This will never happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5553993)

This will never happen and even if it does it only deter a few file sharers. I think 3 years in jail is insane anyway you could get less for bottling someone. Anyway I'm I the only one who remembers that the RIAA don't control the court system and are not is not yet out leader.

To the RIAA until you overthrow this insane war mungering gov then you don't get your way

Re:This will never happen (1)

PastorOfMuppets (590944) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554136)

"I think 3 years in jail is insane anyway you could get less for bottling someone."

I think that stuffing someone in a bottle would get you more than 3 years.

File traders (4, Insightful)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 11 years ago | (#5553997)

The real threat right now is spammers, not file traders. Is something that affects and in some way or another harm or could harm us all. Why not put them all in jails? or in pits, or use them as human shields on iraq, etc.

Let the punishment fit the crime (5, Insightful)

smylie (127178) | more than 11 years ago | (#5553999)

From the article:
"What these kids don't realize is that every time they pull up music and movies and make a copy, they are committing a felony under the United States code," Carter said in an interview. "If you were to prosecute someone and give them three years, I think this would act as a deterrent."

I know the american judicial and political system can be pretty screwed up at time, but just how much support does this guy think he's going to get from his constituents (read votes), when he starts sending kids to jail for three years in punishment for what amounts to fiften dollars worth of copyright violation?

To compare, how long do you expect Jeffrey Skilling (former Enron CEO) to spend in jail for the $30 billion lost there . . .

the positively obvious (0, Funny)

s4m7 (519684) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554001)

from the article:

A statement from the Recording Industry Association of America seems to back Carter's point of view.

boy, you don't say...
I figured on the RIAA coming out against the jailing of college students on some sort of human rights platform.

Whats good for the goose... (5, Interesting)

epicstruggle (311178) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554007)

I would have no problem with this proposed law, if they offered something similar to music execs guilty of price fixing. [cnn.com] So congress should make sure that both sides of this issue are playing fairly.

later,

First Stone (2, Insightful)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554013)

Can we ask for an inspection of his house and the glove box of his car? Want to bet there'll be a few cassette tapes he's recorded at some point in his life?

Ric Campaign for the national sig: "*Just kidding, Admiral Poindexter!"

Good, let's audit his home for MP3s (4, Interesting)

werdna (39029) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554021)

... and unlicensed software. Let's see if his children or spouse should be jailed. (Hey, 3 or more counts -- maybe for life!).

Something about glass houses.

John Carter's Homepage (1)

MjDascombe (549226) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554025)

Is here [house.gov]

Re:John Carter's Homepage (1)

10Ghz (453478) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554144)

I bet he's the goatsecx-guy

That's right! (1)

pubjames (468013) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554028)


This guy has the right idea. In order to stop law breaking, we must throw people in jail.

People often park in my street, which is a no-parking zone. What kind of society is it that lets people get away with so blatantly breaking the law? Throw some of them in jail for a few years, that would put the others off. And kids that drink under age. They need a good whipping. And don't get me started on people who "borrow" stationary from their employers...

Re:That's right! (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554048)

You wussy liberals and your prison sentences. That's not going to straighten 'em out.

Hang 'em all! That's what I say.

ST: TNG (1)

bunratty (545641) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554029)

Why don't we just secretly pick one area of each city to thoroughly police each day, and execute everyone who commits any crimes in that area? That'll really make people think twice before littering and speeding, won't it? Certainly this would lead to the perfect Utopia! Sheesh!

All we need is several million (5, Insightful)

goldcd (587052) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554034)

students, the intellectual future and security of a nation, all turning up on his doorstep turning themselves in for 3 years jailtime. A great way to point out the stupidity of his words, and secure free accomodation until the end of your education.

How do you decide who goes, then? (1)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554037)

Do you just jail the guy who traded 90,000 mp3's, or someone who did 2? Does the former get 90,000 felony counts? That seems ridiculous. Making it illegal will just make us all law-breakers, like prohibition did to alcohol, file sharing would immediately become a horrible plague on peaceful citizens.

How to end all piracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554038)

Here's my proposition to Carter on how to stop all piracy:

Make filesharing legal. Voilà, no more felonies !

Seriously though, if the fair use rights were enforced as much as the exclusivity of copy rights we wouldn't be there.

John Carter's Details (5, Informative)

MjDascombe (549226) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554039)

Can also be found here [congressmerge.com] - why not drop him a line? :p

Why stop at jail? (1)

JohnnyBigodes (609498) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554045)

Music sharers are terrorists! They should be put immediately to the death row! Why fill up the jails?

</irony>

Such restraint for a Texan Politician? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554046)

Why not just kill them?

Not the law (5, Informative)

werdna (39029) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554049)

This demagogue ought to actually read the copyright Act [usdoj.gov] before he starts making false accusations of criminal conduct against his fellow citizens. (He also better make sure his kids are clean.)

1) Even where infringement is present, it isn't necessarily criminal:

It isn't criminal unless willful, and it isn't willful merely because it was copied. Evidence of infringement doesn't suffice under the Copyright Act.

2) Even where willful infringement is present, it isn't necessarily criminal:

If not for commercial purposes or by taking a retail value exceeding $1,000 in a six-month period.

3) Even where willful infringement is criminal, it isn't necessarily a felony:

If not for commercial purposes, it is merely a midemeanor, in the sense that the maximum criminal sentence is limited to not more than a year. (Not sure if that is the relevant standard -- I'm not a criminal lawyer).

Re:Not the law (1)

jcsehak (559709) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554139)

So what this says is as longs as you don't resell what you download, or distribute more than $1000 worth of stuff in a 6-month period, then it's totally legal!

Am I interpreting this right?

Wonderful plan (5, Funny)

liquidsin (398151) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554051)

College students are easily swayed by this sort of thing, and imprisoning a few for longer than most rapists get will surely straighten them out. I mean, once they showed that they put you in jail for smoking marijuana, pretty much every college student in the U.S. stopped smoking pot. This will be just like that, right?

Re:Wonderful plan (1)

jhunsake (81920) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554095)

Too bad they don't put you in jail for smoking marijuana. They may put you in jail for dealing marijuana or possessing large amounts of it (thereby assuming you intended to distribute). But rarely does a college kid caught with an eigth do any jail time. Therefore your analogy should be refined to those pirating huge amounts of music and distributing it to others.

Re:Wonderful plan (1)

Christopher Bibbs (14) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554167)

I was on the jury for a kid that got caught with four grams (he had just smoked the fifth) and the procescutor wanted jail time. Some counties in the US are a lot harder on drug use than others.

So what will the Dixie Chics think of Texas now... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554061)

Justice in America... [heraldonline.com]

God Bless America...

Religious freaks and gun lovers, what open minded freedom lovin folk. Freedom as long as you agree. O we might not shoot ya... but those dixie chics damn itall ta heck... they didnt a know what dey was sayin' when dey put down Bush like dat.

What better way to spend 400billion... get a few people killed... and fund a lot of military companies republican companies. Yes. Brilliant.

Not like we could rebuild around better energy sources other than oil for 400billion. Thats a lot of hydrogen fuel stations and fuel cell research and renewable energy sources.

But nah... lets go blow it all on Iraq and killing and blowing shit up over there. We should be spending it refactoring the stupid energy system in the US.

Fuck.

moron wants jail time for Godless stock markup.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554073)

felons.

lookout bullow. wonce the smoke&mirrors(tm) (now with added smoke) is overt, the same frauduleNT felons WHOaRE running the phonIE payper liesense hostage ransom bullshipping industrIE, will still be with (in charge?) US?

consultation with yOUR creator is always a valid consideration.

pandering slimeballs never do time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554084)

that's just the way it is. get over it. take the test drive, it won't hurt a byte.

mp3's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554078)

mp3 is a lossy compression system, which means the mp3 you downloaded is not the same as the original, does this affect the way the law looks at them? Of course .wav files are supposed to be perfect digital copies.

Disney Jails for tots (4, Funny)

dbcowboy (162210) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554085)

Wait lets not forget those middle schoolers. I know they download music too. But how to jail kids under 16. Disney Jails of course. With a special school in jail teaching all about the evils of downloaded music. I call it Disney Jail. Smaller cells for smaller minds. Jailers/teachers dressed in big eared mouse costumes. Special areas for kindergarden and preschool. Punish them while they're young. Better yet pre-crime... jail them before they do... cause you know they will.

Illegal lending/copying (1)

zoeblade (600058) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554089)

While we're at it, it's illegal to lend books to friends. They might as well throw you in jail for that as well, just to be on the safe side.

Why stop at three years..... (1)

nighty5 (615965) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554097)

lets give the pesky traders the chair!!!!!!!

That will teach those no good cheaten stealen rodents from trespaarrrsin on ma land!!!!!

Yeah, sure. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554102)

Just like jail has proven useful in deterring the millions of cannabis smokers in the US.

The US has a higher proportion of its citizens in jail than any other country - in all of history. It now looks like it's trying hard to keep anyone else from approaching this record.

Re:Yeah, sure. (1)

jhunsake (81920) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554119)

There aren't that many people in jail for smoking weed dumbass. There may be a lot of people in jail related to drugs, but they are rarely there as a user of the drug.

Just a little heavy handed (1)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554108)

"If you were to prosecute someone and give them three years, I think this would act as a deterrent. ... I'm not out to get the kids, I'm out to get their attention."

3 years worth of attention, no... no one's out to get anyone.
I'm sure this will help guide all those zit faced college kids by teaching them valuable new "real llife" skills in prison like "run from the shower posse" and "servitude for protection" in our friendly neighborhood prison system.

But seriously: while I can see and on somedays even care about the RIAA's plight, jailtime for downloading is clearly not the answer we need. How about court enforced licensing?
Set it up so if you do get cought downloading those evil unlicensed MP3's, you pay $1 per track proven to be downloaded to the RIAA and then a $20.00 court fee and it's a turnstile system ala traffic court.

This way the cities win, the RIAA get's it's $$ and the poor user who downloaded can walk away warm and fuzzy knowing they now legitmately have "rights to listen" to the MP3 they got popped for.

It works for under age drinking... (1)

fldvm (466714) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554110)

Laws to send people to jail for drinking on a fake ID [forreal.org] work so well. I think we will finally see the end to P2P.

Backwards (2, Interesting)

jesser (77961) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554135)

The right way to do it is to first make p2p music sharing unnecessary by providing a convenient way to download music legally, then enforce the laws that make it illegal.

If felonies are bad then why is Ollie North on TV? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554150)

So I'm supposed to be scared of this felony thing? But Ollie North is on Fox as a reporter in Kuwait. So crime pays?

3 years is not enough (1)

master_p (608214) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554156)

Electric chair maybe ? oh come on, let's get real Mr Carter!!! next thing you will say is that it is illegal to sing a song in public, because it violates the (C)!!!

The fact is that this multimillion dollar corporations have an almost 100% profit after the production cost and the artist's fee is covered. It's like software.

The only people that should be punished are those that make a profit out of it, not some college kids who have fun by listening to music. If they did not share MP3s, they would not bought all those cds in the first place...just like video games.

I guess the multimillion dollar corporations are dreaming of another cow to milk. They can keep dreaming.

Jailing file traders (5, Funny)

unitron (5733) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554163)

But if we jail people with files, won't they just cut through the bars and escape?

fine, but let's do something else first... (4, Insightful)

g4dget (579145) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554168)

Let's first jail some politicians for several years that have violated campaign financing laws or misused political funds for political purposes. Yes, this includes politicians that only violate them on "technicalities" or can't fully account for where the money went. Why don't we start by auditing Carter himself?

In the grand scheme of things, cleaning out corrupt politicians is a whole lot more important than cracking down in file trading by people with no money. I'm sure jailing people like Carter for a few years would have a wonderfully deterrent effect on other politicians. What about it?

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