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FP! (3, Interesting)

gqgreg (84354) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554117)

Sounds good to me! I wish there was some feedback here before I update my iPod, to see if Apple messes something up on my system.

Works great for me (5, Informative)

Fulkkari (603331) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554855)

I wish there was some feedback here before I update my iPod, to see if Apple messes something up on my system.

I updated my 10 GB Mac iPod, and the updating process went smoothly. I have had no problems with the update. So go ahead and update. You should however always make backups if you want to be sure.

Re:FP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5561857)

How many times do we have to go over this? Apple will never mess up your system. Apple makes perfect hardware and software. If your system get messed up, it's something you did. Go troll somewhere else.

Re:FP! (0, Offtopic)

CordMeyer (452485) | more than 11 years ago | (#5572157)

Remember the iTunes 2 installer?

Re:FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5573789)

No, I don't. I haven't used an apple since the //e. (Is that correct? I don't remember.)

hmmm...... (1, Interesting)

megajini (557306) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554124)

More battery life for me means more energy for the unused 2nd processor. I'm eagerly awaiting what this chip is good for.... *since I payed for it* So now my iPod is full charged and I'm stopping time, we'll see...

Re:hmmm...... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554193)

What?

Re:hmmm...... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554990)

It was made for seti@home, and is working constantly on that, and breaking the X-Box key when the seti@home code needs to "phone home" to get a longer set of jobs.

That's why iTunes has that "Connect to Internet when needed" option. It's so that when you sync your iPod the iPod can send its latest batch of results to seti@home and download new work to do.

Re:hmmm...... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5555701)

What the fuck are you talking about?

Re:hmmm...... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5556820)

aaargh will you people stop spreading the urban myth of a dual processor iPod.

The 'second processor' is not a second processor. in fact it's not a processor at all, it's simply a logic array that happens to be made by the same manufacturer as the real CPU.

repeat after me

"apple do not sell ipods to make clusters from"

Re:hmmm...... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5557731)

"apple do not sell ipods to make clusters from"

repeat after me

"never use a preposition to end a sentence with"

yeah... (4, Funny)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 11 years ago | (#5562062)

This is Slashdot - ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which we will not put.

Re:yeah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5562123)

OK... for those of us who are Americans and don't really speak English, nor were we taught it in school... What is a preposition, and why do I care about them?

All those hours reading Shakespeare, and yet no instruction on the basic structure of the language... Gotta love the public school system!

Re:yeah... (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 11 years ago | (#5566238)

Yeah, you should never use a preposition to end a sentence with.

Re:hmmm...... (1)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 11 years ago | (#5565675)

Ok...

"Never use a preposition to end a sentence with, asshole."

Hey, you're right! Much better that is.

Actually... (4, Informative)

vought (160908) | more than 11 years ago | (#5565505)

I wrote some of the documentation for the PP5002C and PP5003 chips used in the iPod when I worked for Portal Player last year.

In fact, the chip IS a dual ARM7 core with supporting I/O logic. So it is you, in fact, who is mistaken.

Out of stock (2, Interesting)

Zo0ok (209803) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554184)

Time to buy one? I have tried buying one since the beginning of January. Out of stock... new upcoming models not yet relesased...

That is for the 5Gb PC iPod (for a friend of mine), of course I have had my own Mac iPod for more than a year now.

Re:Out of stock (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554970)

I work for compusa and the 5gb ipod is DO1 status in our database, meaning it was discontinued... You wont be seeing it any time soon... 10gb ipod is the new 5gb..

Re:Out of stock (2, Interesting)

amarkham (153845) | more than 11 years ago | (#5556372)


If the 5GB is discontinued, then perhaps that means that a 40GB version is imminent. I'm hoping that this coinincides with the announcement of the music service that has been talked about recently.

Would also love an FM receiver, but maybe that's asking too much...

Anybody have any G2 on the above?

Re:Out of stock (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5572201)

If you want an iPod, buy it from Dell and reformat it for Mac. Dell is always having deals and coupons. I got my 10gb iPod for $288 with free shipping. It took a couple weeks to ship but it was worth it.

Nethack (2, Funny)

termos (634980) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554196)

Does these things come with nethack?
If they do, they need much more than 10 days of battery time in order to complete the game.

Re:Nethack (1)

Slur (61510) | more than 11 years ago | (#5561613)

Seriously though, this is exactly the kind of game you could easily write for the iPod - if only there was an open API for adding your own "Extras." Apple's not likely to open the API any time soon, but they need some kind of replacement for that tired "breakout" clone.

On the other hand if someone writes an HFS+ native Linux that plays MP3s out of the same folders as the iPod OS and runs all the Linux cruft it'd be worth the total conversion for some.

Dear Apple (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554268)

Dear Apple,

I am a homosexual. I bought an Apple computer because of its well earned reputation for being "the" gay computer. Since I have become an Apple owner, I have been exposed to a whole new world of gay friends. It is really a pleasure to meet and compute with other homos such as myself. I plan on using my new Apple computer as a way to entice and recruit young schoolboys into the homosexual lifestyle; it would be so helpful if you could produce more software which would appeal to young boys. Thanks in advance.

with much gayness,

Father Randy "Pudge" O'Day, S.J.

Dear Father O'Day (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554279)

Dear Father O'Day:

Thanks for your letter. Being Catholic myself, I know exactly what you're talking about! It has always been our plan here at Apple Computer Inc to revolutionize personal computing with our high-quality and highly gay products.

I'm happy to answer your letter by letting you know that YES we will be releasing an entire hLife ("homo-life") software line. You'll be able to recognize it in stores by the small stylized logo depicting a large cock entering a tight anus with an Apple logo on it. ("Suddenly it all comes together" indeed!).

Anyway, I hope you and other members of our community will join us on our mission, and purchase the exciting new hLife boxed set. Only the boxed set comes with translucent cock rings!

Sincerely,

Harry Rodman
Vice-president
Homosexual Liaison Services
Apple Computer, Inc.

Annoying Lock-ups (2, Informative)

Oculus Habent (562837) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554329)

My biggest issue is having my iPod not start back up after pausing & locking it. It "starts playing" but is just locked. Reset to fix.

It only takes a few seconds, but it's annoying. Maybe 1.2.6 will help out in that area, too.

Re:Annoying Lock-ups (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554367)

iPod seems to have a lot of things that require a reset to fix... plus crappy batteries that die within a year that can not be replaced (have to get the entire thing replaced).

Think Different indeed.

Re:Annoying Lock-ups (2, Interesting)

Oculus Habent (562837) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554415)

Really. I've had my iPod well over a year now and the battery is still working fine.

As for unreplaceable, the casing can be opened and the battery can be disconnected from the iPod. Of course, finding one could be tough. Perhaps Apple will offer in-store replacement of the battery. That still wouldn't help me when mine finally does die.

Re:Annoying Lock-ups (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5554801)

"Really. I've had my iPod well over a year now and the battery is still working fine."

I've had my 10GB scroll wheel iPod since May 2002, and my battery still seems fine when in use as well.

It had been going flat lately overnight if I don't change it, though. We'll see how 1.2.6 addressed that tomorrow morning...

Holy Crap (4, Insightful)

Oculus Habent (562837) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554378)

5.2 MB! As if that's not crazy, there's a Gzip file that expands to 51 MB inside that. Most of it seems to be absorbed in different languages. That's 8-12 songs worth of space, though.

Also, couldn't this have been available via Software Update? I don't spend much time at the iPod homepage. I suppose not everyone needs it, but couldn't there be some way of telling if you ever had an iPod connected? Wishful thinking, maybe.

About Software Update (2, Interesting)

megajini (557306) | more than 11 years ago | (#5556052)

There are good reasons not doing so:

  • SoftwareUpdate updates existing Software not Hardware
  • Updating every Mac was done by Apple once (at least my machines loaded it), and I think it was waste of time and bandwith for most people...
  • Doing kind of "auto-detection" isn't very original either, as I often connect my iPod to various Macs/PCs just to transfer data (WOW - Floppy with 20Gb and FAST) - thus ALL of them would have to download iPod Updates forever

Beautiful would be an automatic Internet Check performed through iTunes whenever an iPod is connect and an internet link is active. Then only required data should be loaded, because I don't nead French and so on... (native German speaker)

Re:About Software Update (2, Informative)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 11 years ago | (#5556295)

But there already were updates before that were released through Software Update-- and I've seen them 'want' to be downloaded to machines that never came near an iPod, and even to a machine running OS X Server. We just mark them 'inactive', but still...

Apple should build "a check for iPod update" feature into iTunes, with the option to have it check automatically-- then only people with an iPod would enable/use the feature, anyone who didn't use iTunes could just download the updates from Apple's site, and anyone who had no need of it at all wouldn't even see it come up in Software Update.

~Philly

Re:Holy Crap (3, Informative)

bats (8748) | more than 11 years ago | (#5556216)

All the previous iPod updates have come through Software Update. I'm guessing it won't appear for a couple hours/days, like most every other update. They appear on the website for the die-hards and trickle into Software Update for the rest of the world too busy to check the iPod homepage everyday.

Re:Holy Crap (3, Interesting)

clarkcox3 (194009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5557052)

Most of that 51 MB is the iPod Software Updater application itself (i.e. it goes on your Mac's HD, and not on the iPod). Also, remember that the iPod's firmware is itself 32 MB.

Re:Holy Crap (1)

hexdcml (553714) | more than 11 years ago | (#5558350)

does it remove itself after installation? or does it just sit there taking up space?

Re:Holy Crap (2, Informative)

Oculus Habent (562837) | more than 11 years ago | (#5559115)

It takes up space. I noted the 1.2.1 installer folder was sitting next to the 1.2.6 folder in Utilities when I went to launch it.

Re:Holy Crap (1)

clarkcox3 (194009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5563940)

It just sits there, but it's not hard to remove if you want to (it's in "/Applications/Utilities/iPod Software 1.2.6 Updater").

Odd statement hhoor (3, Informative)

biglig2 (89374) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554402)

Was an occasional bug in the battery monitor a deal breaker keeping you from an ipod? You must be very demanding in other aspects of your life. ;-)

Downloaded, about to take the plunge. The Changelog is minimialist;
Changes since 1.2:

Version 1.2.6 has improved battery management, providing the following updates:

* Increased playback time on scroll-wheel iPods
* Longer stand-by time for all iPods

Looks like it is a definite must for owners of the lower capacity pods.

I see in other places that it does not implement the cursed EEC mandated volume lowering, so don;t let that hold you back.

Re:Odd statement hhoor (2, Funny)

Mikey-San (582838) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554826)

"On scroll-wheel iPods"? As opposed to the trackball iPods that are so popular? ;-)

-/-

Re:Odd statement hhoor (3, Insightful)

galaxy300 (111408) | more than 11 years ago | (#5554880)

Newer iPods use touchpads instead of mechanical wheels.

Re:Odd statement hhoor (2, Funny)

Mikey-San (582838) | more than 11 years ago | (#5556527)

Yeah, I know. My first thought when I saw "scroll-wheel" was "mouse", so I sorta ran with it. ... Into a wall, I guess. :-)

Karma to burn!

Re:Odd statement hhoor (1)

galaxy300 (111408) | more than 11 years ago | (#5561262)

D'oh! Next time I'll look for smileys to signify humor! ; )

Re:Odd statement hhoor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5577315)

do you guys want to be left alone or something?

Re:Odd statement hhoor (2, Informative)

biglig2 (89374) | more than 11 years ago | (#5563304)

On the original 5Gb ipods the round bit you scroll was an actual moving part rotating wheel.

On the later, 10Gb and 20Gb units, it's a touch sensitive ring (no goatse links please!) instead.

not at all (1)

X_Caffeine (451624) | more than 11 years ago | (#5563156)

There have been rampant complaints about that "occasional bug" reducing battery charge lifetime to less than two hours.

Clock and firmware (5, Interesting)

elliotj (519297) | more than 11 years ago | (#5555063)

After updating my firmware the last time (from 1.1 to 1.2) I noticed a significant reduction in standby time. I did some research and found that the inclusion of a clock was the culprit: the iPod was never designed to keep time using a small power trickle in the same way that say, a digital watch, or your PC, is able to keep time without requiring a massive battery. The solution was to revert to v. 1.1 of the firmware and I got my standby life back.

Does anyone know if the new firmware removes the clock feature? Personally I have no real desire to upgrade: I don't need any more functions from the device - I only need it to play tunes and that's it.

Re:Clock and firmware (3, Interesting)

JArneaud (25121) | more than 11 years ago | (#5555386)

I just updated my 5GB to 1.2.6 and the only strange thing that I noticed was that the clock was frozen at 12:00:00 1Jan 2002. If you manually adjust the date and time it starts running normally. I haven't found a way to turn it off again, short of running an iPod restore.

Could this be a power-saving feature? Disabling the clock until the user actually decides to start using it? (I know I never do, so it wouldn't be a big loss and the extra run time would be great)

Re:Clock and firmware (1)

l1gunman (463233) | more than 11 years ago | (#5561622)

Funny. I just finished the update on my 5GB iPod and when I went to "Extras" to check the clock it was set and running. You sure you saw yours correctly?

I hope this firmware update really is a fix. I sent back my iPod twice (to Apple's glory they replaced it each time without blinking) because the battery life wasn't what it once was. It was only later that I learned of the possible connection to the 1.2.1 update (which I had installed).

Re:Clock and firmware (1)

Drakonian (518722) | more than 11 years ago | (#5570828)

I just checked mine (I have never flashed the firmware) and it is stuck at that time too. I didn't change it because your post (and others) have scared me it will kill the battery life. I don't use the clock anyway. So maybe if you never set it, or Reset the iPod at some point or something like that. Just wild speculation.

Re:Clock and firmware (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5555761)

Mine is still running like normal after the update.

Re:Clock and firmware (4, Informative)

dhovis (303725) | more than 11 years ago | (#5556845)

I did some research and found that the inclusion of a clock was the culprit

No, you and everyone else blamed the clock, as it was the only apparant change to the iPod firmware that seemed like it might have introduced a drain on the battery.

However, if this update works, it blows that theory out of the water. The knowledgebase article for this says that the problem was that the iPod was incorrectly interpreting the battery charge. It seems that the 1.2 firmware was not allowing the iPod to use all of the battery capacity, and was shutting down when there was still plenty of life left. There is no way anyone outside of Apple could have figured this out, so the clock got blamed.

Re:Clock and firmware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5558294)

my ipod routinely shuts down when the battery has two bars left. I don't know if that indication error is separate from the other error, but there is definitely something strange about the relationship between indicated battery life, real battery life, and shutdown.

Re:Clock and firmware (1)

snero3 (610114) | more than 11 years ago | (#5573622)

I have to agree with you there. I noticed on my 5 GB ipod that sometimes it would go from two battery bars to dead in about 10 minutes.

This occur mainly after it had been in stand by for a while IE over night. Given that it took hours to use the first three bars the final two should have lasted more that 10 minutes.

I also noticed that sometimes the battery meter would go up and then down and then up again, as if it was having trouble reading what state the battery was in under 1.2

I have since downloaded the update and install it and all seems to be fix atm so I think they found the problem

Re:Clock and firmware (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5557551)

You don't need any more functions? Really? Want any bugs fixed?

How about creating and editing playlists or at least minimally being able to queue up the next N song(s)? Ever try to be a dj for some friends or pass your pod around the car and let others pick tracks? I find myself watching the remaining time constantly and having to get the timing just right when switching tracks so as not to cut the current track short or allow the logical next track in the list to start playing before you click to play your chosen track.

How about that delay between tracks? Surely it's possible to make an album played on the pod sound just like the original album...

Or what about showing the "All Songs" list for an Artist in alphabetical order (it could be an option, but I consider the current behavior a bug). I have 230 Zappa tracks on my pod right now and finding a particular one in the list is quite difficult. Note that I need to do this to listen to Zappa (or King Crimson, etc) on random, usually by album. Even worse is trying to find a song in the "All Songs" list for a Genre.

Surely there are many improvements in the software that could/should be made.

Anyone want ogg support?

Re:Clock and firmware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5561764)

How about that delay between tracks? Surely it's possible to make an album played on the pod sound just like the original album...

Never used an iPod (yet) so I can't comment on the exact delay it has. But my very limited understanding of the MP3 format is that it's simply impossible to have no delay between tracks. Apparently MP3 segments the audio in such a way that you'll always have a tiny blip of silence at the end of any track. So even if you buffer the audio output so that there's no break between the end of the decoded audio stream for one track and the beginning of the next, there's still that little bit of silence at the end of the first. It's enough to drive you nuts!

I suppose this is a great reason to support OGG. Unfortunately I believe the iPod has a specialized chip which decodes MP3 in hardware, so adding OGG may be more difficult than it sounds! Last I read, some guys had gotten a stripped down Linux working on it but it was still too slow to decode OGG in realtime under that.

Re:Clock and firmware (1)

jmontana66 (528401) | more than 11 years ago | (#5564631)

But my very limited understanding of the MP3 format is that it's simply impossible to have no delay between tracks.
Nope. Ever used WinAmp? I remember back in 1998 Nullsoft had a plugin for gapless playback. Worked perfectly. I don't see why it's so hard to make this happen. Listening to live albums or concept albums on an iPod really sucks due to that short gap between all songs.

Re:Clock and firmware (1)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 11 years ago | (#5576204)

It's actually surprisingly tricky to do this because of the way MP3 files are structures. Having said that, for DJ mixed albums I just rip the whole thing as one file: use the Join CD Tracks command in iTunes, under the Advanced menu.

Or what about showing the "All Songs" list for an Artist in alphabetical order (it could be an option, but I consider the current behavior a bug). I have 230 Zappa tracks on my pod right now and finding a particular one in the list is quite difficult.

Huh. Mine does what you say. Browse -> Artist -> All gives you an alphabetical listing of all songs by that artist.

Anyone want ogg support?

I'm sure some do. I'd much rather have AAC support though. Don't see Ogg happening anytime soon.

My pet iPod-peeves: (4, Interesting)

Erik K. Veland (574016) | more than 11 years ago | (#5555122)

- Occasionally shuts down when shoving the remote-control into the jack. I have to smoothly press it it.
- Said remote-controls connection is finnicky. I have to press it into place a bit too often if I have it in my pocket.
- The clock is some archaic system with letters instead of the standard 24-hour clock used in most parts of the world.

None of these are deal-breakers though. I just love my 20 GB iPod. Bring on AAC already Apple!

Re:My pet iPod-peeves: (2, Informative)

troc (3606) | more than 11 years ago | (#5555484)

Occasionally shuts down when shoving the remote-control into the jack. I have to smoothly press it it.

I had that problem so I mentioned it to Apple and I have just received a new remote in the post...... Very good service there. Assuming your iPod is still in warranty, give 'em a call.

There's stuff about the remote problems in Apple's forums. It seems the newer remotes have been changed slightly to solve the problems you are having......

Troc

Re:My pet iPod-peeves: (2, Informative)

PotPieMan (54815) | more than 11 years ago | (#5561276)

- Said remote-controls connection is finnicky. I have to press it into place a bit too often if I have it in my pocket

It sounds like you have the same problem I did. Until I read iPod: Remote Buttons Do Not Work [apple.com] .

Re:My pet iPod-peeves: (1)

Erik K. Veland (574016) | more than 11 years ago | (#5563342)

No, I knew about that too. The connector will still jiggle itself loose after the 'click'.

I'll have to get myself the new remote, thanks for the tip guy above the last poster :)

now that is truly strange (1)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 11 years ago | (#5576225)

The clock is some archaic system with letters instead of the standard 24-hour clock used in most parts of the world.

What on earth do you mean? My iPod looks like every other digital clock, complete with arabic numerals...?

What happened to the missing versions (3, Interesting)

MrMickS (568778) | more than 11 years ago | (#5555263)

I keep my iPod up to date but it's running 1.2.1 what happened to the missing versions? I know that there was a 1.2.2 to stop deafening the French but what about the others?

Re:What happened to the missing versions (3, Insightful)

tuxedobob (582913) | more than 11 years ago | (#5558909)

My guess would be that they were internal releases which were not made public. It happens sometimes.

mechanical scrollwheel (2, Interesting)

Doctor Jekyl (660037) | more than 11 years ago | (#5555421)

* Increased playback time on scroll-wheel iPods
* Longer stand-by time for all iPods

Since battery life has improved for the mechanical scroll wheel iPods, as well as for all around standby time for all iPods, does that mean iPods with the mechanical scroll wheel now have better battery life than the new ones? Or were they behind before and now they are caught up?

In any case, I like the mechanical scroll wheel better. It feels more precise to me. Except that it gets craps stuck under it on the sides. :-(

Re:mechanical scrollwheel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5561699)

Except that it gets craps stuck under it on the sides.

Then stop using your iPod as a toilet!

Increases the standby time to 10 days... From what (2)

rhetland (259464) | more than 11 years ago | (#5556040)

I have been using my Ipod sporadically for a while. One very annoying thing is that when you havn't recharced it for a few days, and want to go for a run, the battary is dead.

I was never exactly able to figure out how long my standby time was, but it seemed short enough that I was considering contacting apple about it (3 days perhaps..).

What have other readers found as their standby time using the older firmware versions?

Re:Increases the standby time to 10 days... From w (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5556990)

Three days is about right for me and battery life is about 3-4 hours of combined high VBR (r3mix and preset normal) music and mono 40 kps audio books. I found that unacceptable and am on my 5th 5 gig iPod. Will keep returning them until I at least get consistantly around 7ish hours (not just out of the box). Previously had a Nomad Jukebox 20 gig and although it used horrible AA rechargeables at least their charge times were accurate (and replaceable).

those who are like me (1)

poil11 (186519) | more than 11 years ago | (#5556176)

and purchased on ethe first day it came out. and use it like me also are finding out that the wheel doesn't last very long. the new versions don't have a turning wheel. every once and awhile the wheel will kind of pop out and i have to pop it in. also i think this makes certain play pause buttons to not work. i wish apple would release an update to fix this.

Aha! (3, Funny)

tamen (308656) | more than 11 years ago | (#5556203)

So this is were they put the lost battery life from the iBooks!

Apple iPod Update Increases Battery Life (0, Offtopic)

kierto (652385) | more than 11 years ago | (#5556548)

cool, but are they gonna fix the problem from the 10.2.4 update that's killing our i/ti book batteries?

Now just give us other formats (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5557128)

PLEASE- OGG, AAC (mpeg-2 & mpeg-4), mp3pro and MPC support.

iTunes LAME plug-in (and those presets), Accerator (for mp4/aac experimenting) and Audion (mp3pro for spoken word/audio books) all help, but iPods restrictions keep me from fully taking the sound to the next level.

Please Apple live up to the openness you're stating with OS X. Have your music device be as agnostic with sound as your OS is with fonts, etc.

iPod on Linux (4, Informative)

dakkar (128056) | more than 11 years ago | (#5558108)

I use an iBook with OS X, and a Linux machine.

Recently I acquired a iee1394 PCI card, and used the conversion tool from iPod-on-Linux [sourceforge.net] to transform it into a FAT32 iPod, and gtkpod [sourceforge.net] to manage songs on it.

The conversion tool installed firmware 1.2.1, but this last iPod upgrade wanted to reformat my iPod. So now I had a 1.2.6 iPod, but HFS+ instead of FAT32.

Never to lose courage, I copied the 'Firmware' file from inside the upgrader's directory on the Mac to the PC, over the 1.2.1 firmware used in the conversion tool. Run the conversion tool again, and now I have a 1.2.6 FAT32 iPod, and I'm filling it up again using gtkpod.

Re:iPod on Linux (1)

wtmcgee (113309) | more than 11 years ago | (#5564998)

or you could have just downloaded the windows version of the update, yes?

Re:iPod on Linux (1)

dakkar (128056) | more than 11 years ago | (#5565346)

If I had any machine which runs Windows ;-)

I removed Windows from my PC after a year of non-use

anyone else have poor linux compat with the iPod? (2, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 11 years ago | (#5559455)

I bought an ipod with the sole intention of trying to get it to work with linux. I run the latest stable 2.4.20 kernel and my firewire stuff works with all my drives (as best as FW -can- with linux, but that's another story).

I can see the files when I mount the ipod and copy them across ok - I think. but when I play them, the file sizes are wrong and so a song that says its 30minutes (unlikely) cuts off after a few minutes and some songs that are long cut off too short! weird.

so I returned it. it appears that for me, at least, ipod/linux is not nearly ready for prime time. too bad.

Why does the iPod have no off switch? (1, Interesting)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | more than 11 years ago | (#5559470)

Every other gadget I own has an off switch. But the iPod doesn't have one. The problem isn't firmware. It runs the battery flat because it has no off switch. This was the first thing I noticed when I took my iPod out of its box. How could Apple have missed this? Don't they have a QA department? Don't they teach electrical engineers about on/off switches these days? Maybe it would upset the sleek design of the device. But an off switch would really have made all the difference. Even 10 days is kinda annoying. For example if I go on vacation it'd be nice to have the iPod for the flights and not have to worry about it running down in the intervening week.

Re:Why does the iPod have no off switch? (1)

SoupIsGoodFood_42 (521389) | more than 11 years ago | (#5559871)

It's probably got something to do with the iPod having to load the mp3 DB etc. They prolly didn't want people thinking it took ages to load every time they turned it on.
I do agreee with you how ever. They should still have included and small switch for when you're not using it for a while or want to conserve battery power.
Well, you knoe what to do: Contact Apple's feedback and tell them you want a switch.

Re:Why does the iPod have no off switch? (5, Informative)

idsofmarch (646389) | more than 11 years ago | (#5560043)

Hold down the Play button.

Re:Why does the iPod have no off switch? (2, Insightful)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | more than 11 years ago | (#5560180)

Well blow me down with a feather - I didn't know about that!

But as we all know it doesn't really switch off the iPod. It's still consuming battery power at a prodigious rate. I want a real off button so I can leave my iPod off for a month and expect it to work the moment I switch it on. Why can't it just dump out its state to disk and shut down for real?

Re:Why does the iPod have no off switch? (1)

idsofmarch (646389) | more than 11 years ago | (#5560289)

I never noticed that because I'm always updating the lists anyways.

I rarely use playlists (1)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | more than 11 years ago | (#5560397)

Ruins the integrity of albums to play them out of order. Or something like that.

Re:I rarely use playlists (1)

punkass (70637) | more than 11 years ago | (#5562835)

Don't go to concerts often, huh?

Re:I rarely use playlists (1)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | more than 11 years ago | (#5564915)

Not as much as II used to. But anyway, a concert is rarely a random tracklist.

Re:Why does the iPod have no off switch? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5561372)

Batteries lose power on their own, especially the lithium and nickel-metal hydrides. Leave a rechargable battery sitting for a month and it'll slowly drain.

Of course, it's pretty unresaonble that the battery drains in standby over a few days. Hopefully this update fixes that.

Re:Why does the iPod have no off switch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5563509)

Additionally, haven't you noticed that if you pause it, after 5 minutes of inactivity it turns off by itself?

The advantage is that it will remember the last song played and continue from there. If you turn it off it will forget the last song and start playing at the beginning.

Re:Why does the iPod have no off switch? (1)

superposed (308216) | more than 11 years ago | (#5577421)

Additionally, haven't you noticed that if you pause it, after 5 minutes of inactivity it turns off by itself?


The advantage is that it will remember the last song played and continue from there. If you turn it off it will forget the last song and start playing at the beginning.

You can also get the auto-resume-at-the-same-song feature by pressing and holding the play button on the remote to turn off the iPod, instead of using the button on the iPod itself. I don't know why the two buttons work differently, but they do.

One other thing I noticed: keeping the "alerts" setting turned on makes the iPod battery run down much faster than otherwise (at least with older firmware). I think the iPod stays half awake waiting for an iCal alert to come up (even if you have none set for the future), and the battery ends up running down much faster. I turned off this feature, and my standby time doubled (or more).

Re:Why does the iPod have no off switch? (1)

Drakonian (518722) | more than 11 years ago | (#5570894)

Hahah! The length of that rant and the shortness of that reply was beautiful.

I didn't figure this out for months either. I never opened the CD that came with my iPod because Music Match sucks hardcore. Later I realized I didn't know about certain features that everyone else did. So I opened up the little case and there was a tiny manual.

One other tidbit I learned in there - hold down Menu to turn on the backlight.

Re:Why does the iPod have no off switch? (3, Interesting)

Del Vach (449393) | more than 11 years ago | (#5560443)

I can't speak to standby time, but I believe it does a fairly good job of power management. When it's running, the drive only spins up as often as it needs to refresh the 32 Meg cache. And when you pause it, it powers itself off after... three minutes? So at that point it's only expending however much energy is necessary to:
  • Power the LCD
  • Save the RAM state
  • Maintain the clock
I tend to skip lots of songs, so I get less playtime because I'm forcing the HD to keep spinning up. But I also have a first version 5Gig and my battery life is barely over an hour at this point. Figures I got a Dr. Bott auto charger last week! When I first got it, I was able to get a solid 10+ hours. I'll have to see how much this update improves things.

Re:Why does the iPod have no off switch? (1)

cuyler (444961) | more than 11 years ago | (#5573385)

I have a 5gb as well. At first I got 10+ hours - after 10 months or so it was down to 22 minutes. I called Apple, sent my iPod in and they sent me a new one.

One thing to note. The original 5gb iPods had a 90 day warranty. They know have a 1 year warranty. Apple was nice enough to grandfather the warranty. If you had the 90 days, you now have the 1 year. Very nice.

Re:Why does the iPod have no off switch? (1)

hillbilly1980 (137340) | more than 11 years ago | (#5561195)

I would venture a guess as to the lack of an off switch.

It may have to do with the battery, for something like this how often do you think you would have people leave it for a prolonged period of time fully charged. This can damage some cheaper batteries over time and decrease their usefulness, maybe apple decided that to avoid that, or avoid having to build a better quality battery into their ipod. They could instead not have the option to turn the ipod right off, and that way the battery was always fully discharged within 2 weeks. This also has the added benifit of instant on and the ability to remember its state.

But I think they opted for the firmware to entirely manage the battery life in such a way as to increase its long term lifespan.

Re:Why does the iPod have no off switch? (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 11 years ago | (#5566400)

Li Ion, NiCd and NiMH batteries will last a long time if they are charged correctly. A computer controlled recharger paired with a particular type of battery can ensure it is charged at the right rate and kept at full power without damaging or overcharging it.

Most battery packs contain microprocessors of their own and I would imagine the iPod's internal battery has just such a device for managing power.

Re:Why does the iPod have no off switch? (2, Informative)

rdarden (87568) | more than 11 years ago | (#5561593)

Oddly I've heard this question three times in the last two weeks, but only four times total in the 16 months I've owned an iPod.

Anyway, my preferred method is to hit PAUSE then lock the unit (the sliding switch on top). Fastest method I know of, includes locking the device so it won't be turned on again by accident, and it only takes two minutes for the iPod to shut itself down.

And with this new update we hopefully won't have to worry about those two minutes killing our battery.

There is an off switch (2, Informative)

Cadre (11051) | more than 11 years ago | (#5562852)

Fastest method I know of, includes locking the device so it won't be turned on again by accident, and it only takes two minutes for the iPod to shut itself down.

Press and hold down the play button for about two seconds and the iPod will immediately turn off.

Re:Why does the iPod have no off switch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5563535)

Troll. You probably don't even own an ipod and just played with it at the store. If you do own an iPod i'm surprised you didn't even _glance_ at the instructions. RTFM

Anyway, the ipod will go into sleep mode after 2 minutes of inactivity when it is paused. If you want to turn it off you can hold the button.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=6 09 45

If you want to turn it off hold the play/pause button

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=6 09 73

The advantage of letting it sleep is that it remembers the last song and will continue. This is especially useful when I have the ipod on shuffle, as it will continue on and not repeat any songs until the end of the playlist.

Re:Why does the iPod have no off switch? (1)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | more than 11 years ago | (#5567455)

What's with everyone suddenly accusing me of trolling this week when I ask reasonable questions? The iPod does not have a real off switch. My Sony diskman does. My laptop (a PowerBook) does. My radio does. My flashlight does. My Palm doesn't but it at least survives many weeks switched off. And not only does the iPod consume power while it is apparently off - it does so at a fast enough rate that it's annoying. I tend to use my iPod at the gym, two or three times a week. I can use it on Friday, leave it in my gym bag, go to the gym again on Monday and find the battery is flat. After 1 hour of use. Come on! This isn't trolling!

600,000 Ad Reps (1)

ihatewinXP (638000) | more than 11 years ago | (#5560169)

Its about fucking time! Being as youve sold about 600,000 of those little bastards (including mine) you now have 600,000 people with no reason to tell people _not_ to get one.

If Wall Street really had it's finger on the pulse of the tech sector Apple's stock would've gone up today.

Buyer Beware (3, Interesting)

DaracMarjal (513394) | more than 11 years ago | (#5563281)

Yeah I'll probably get modded down for this, and no-one will see it, but here [jon-redfox.com] is a lone voice of dissent warning you about the perils of buying an iPod and about just how stupid they can be at Apple Customer Support.

Re:Buyer Beware (3, Informative)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 11 years ago | (#5565635)

lone voice of dissent warning you about the perils of buying an iPod and about just how stupid they can be at Apple Customer Support.
You're right. A lone voice. One anectodal episode of bad service and a bad day. It wasn't even the US version of Apple Support.

Every piece of hardware (computer, automobile, etc.) ever created has stories like this attached to it.

Re:Buyer Beware (1)

goodchef (213729) | more than 11 years ago | (#5574929)

The reason Apple Support was having such a hard time is because he doesn't have a standard iPod. He has one of the rumored "iPod II" prototypes. You can tell by the color screen [jon-redfox.com] . (photo from the top of the linked page)

On the other hand, maybe it's just a doctored photo. But why would someone do that? I don't know. It does make me question his otherwise plausible story. (Although an Apple employee not knowing the meaning of the word 'syncronize' when they have a product named iSync is also a tad hard to swallow.)

iBook/PowerBook battery life (1)

xyrw (609810) | more than 11 years ago | (#5573488)

Hopefully the iBook/PowerBook battery life issue will be fixed by an upcoming update...

Almost a pity they couldn't have released a fix for that at this time, actually. Since it probably affects more people, in a greater way.
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