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Slashback: Revolutionism, Media, Oregon

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the in-knoxville-among-the-ants dept.

Slashback 201

Updates and clarifications in tonight's Slashback include word on the extra-theatrical availability of Revolution OS, consideration of Free software in Oregon. availability of HP's new streaming-audio toy (which does not play Ogg Vorbis), and more. Read on for the details.Bonus material is always, well ... bonus. Khyron writes "Revolution OS, the definitive documentary film on the evolution of Linux and the relationship between the Free Software and Open Source movements, is finally available for purchase on DVD! The 2-disc special edition set now available includes full-length commentary by the director, as well as an additional 70 minutes of interview footage, a still image gallery, biographies, a 113-page documents section, and even the 'Free Software Song' music video. Additionally, in the spirit of its subject matter, the DVDs are unencrypted and region-free. I have contacted the director, J.T.S. Moore, and he is eager to grant permission to LUGs to hold free screenings -- he asks that you contact him first to coordinate and he'll even list your screening on his website."

Sounds and pictures from the same box -- impossible! An anonymous reader writes "The HP Digital Media Receiver ( discussed here before) is available for sale at CompUSA and online. The wired version is $199, and the wireless one is $299.

I've been using it for a little while, and I really like it so far. It took a while for the PC software to start serving, but now its fine. It found all my playlists and digital photos on the first pass, and the network setup worked properly too. I'd like to see higher-resolution photos, but it's a pretty cool way to show the pictures to my less-techie friends.

Also, I installed the PC software on both of my home PCs, and the Receiver automatically finds the music on both! It did have a bunch of duplicates (which made it easy for me to go prune out all my dual mp3s), but it was pretty cool. You can't edit a playlist at the TV set, which is a bit of a bummer, but I use WinAmp on my PC anyway, and that worked fine. I like the interface on the TV a lot (although it's a little dull after a while), and it sorted most of my media properly. Some of my MP3s ended up in weird places, but I guess that's from the ID3 tags?

One other thing - I am pretty sure I read somewhere that the Receiver runs Linux. Did anyone else see this too? The only other thing about it I didn't really like was the lack of a reset button. There is a power button, but it didn't reset the device when I pushed it, so I had to unplug it once.

Anyhow, I'm sure there are going to be a ton more products like this one out there soon, but I definitely prefer this to the Prismiq and the Audiotron. It's a much more intuitive box, although a front-panel LCD would be a really nice add!"

Since the general welfare means you, too. Cooper Stevenson writes "Thanks to all of those who called, wrote, and emailed their Legislators in Oregon, House Bill 2892 will get a hearing as covered by the Oregonian:

'A new bill would make Oregon the first state to take a formal stance against the hefty fees and technological limitations of software produced by large corporations such as Microsoft.'

'A House committee is scheduled to consider a proposal that promotes "open-source" software, which doesn't charge recurring fees and enables customers to alter the software code, making it more compatible with other programs.'

Global neural links sought. Controlio writes "With the first truly televised war underway, for the first time we have media members armed with sat trucks chasing the folks with the automatic weapons around. Several fixed cameras are mounted around Baghdad, and members of the media from all around the world are sending reports from the field using sat uplinks and video phones. So the question is, those of you with access to a Big Dish, have you found any wild feeds yet? I live in Michigan (U.S.), and have only been able to pinpoint local media backhauls (like Fox's news backhaul to their local affiliates), but nothing from abroad. Anyone out there have any sat and channel information for either the Baghdad cams, foreign news agencies, or best of all, the news feeds from the front line?"

This question is a good followup to a recent question posted as an Ask Slashdot seeking unbiased news about the current war.

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Oregon? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611372)

More like ORGASM. fp

FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611373)

First post?

first (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611376)

first post i think

sound and video on a PC (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611385)

I remember people used to say, when I would demonstrate my C-64 to them, that you would never be able to watch tv-quality video on the computer. Now when I play tv-quality video on my computer, I'm upset about how inferior it is, running in it's tiny little postage stamp frame and or all big and blocky.

Course, we'll never be able to play HDTV on a computer.

Re:sound and video on a PC (4, Interesting)

stwrtpj (518864) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611415)

Course, we'll never be able to play HDTV on a computer.

You realize, don't you, by actually saying that something will never happen, you have practically assured that it will happen at some point. Just like when people said man would not fly.

Of course, this still doesn't explain the lack of flying cars ...

Re:sound and video on a PC (4, Insightful)

outZider (165286) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611466)

No, it does explain it. Man has said for ages that we *will* have flying cars. Hence, the total void of flying cars.

Re:sound and video on a PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611509)

You realize, don't you, by actually
saying that something will never happen, you have practically assured that it will happen at some point.
One can only hope, but I'm afraid that'll [google.com] never [google.com] happen [google.com] to me!

Re:sound and video on a PC (1)

Drishmung (458368) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611521)

Um, I thought the comment was supposed to be ironic, surely?

Re:sound and video on a PC (4, Interesting)

GammaTau (636807) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611535)

You realize, don't you, by actually saying that something will never happen, you have practically assured that it will happen at some point. Just like when people said man would not fly.

Well, watching HDTV with a computer has already happened. :) See the HDTV snapshots [gnu.org] from the GNU Radio project site.

Re:sound and video on a PC (1)

IvyMike (178408) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611709)

Way to get the joke.

Re:sound and video on a PC (1)

weston (16146) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611710)

Of course, this still doesn't explain the lack of flying cars ...

No, no, it actually does, because future pundits everywhere insisted those would happen.

(OK, there's a potential logical error there, but we might have a <=> b here...)

Re:sound and video on a PC (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611419)

That's the way it is. Just as soon as you say a computer can't do it, someone makes a computer do it. But I'm quite sure that my computer can't run a realistic Uma Thurman simulation, with full tactile responses, just like a holodeck. Not possible.

Re:sound and video on a PC (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611463)

So your computer can't simulate an anorexic cadaver with Death's face? And this is bad how?

Re:sound and video on a PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611536)

Check out www.realdoll.com
I used a computer to find that, does that count?

Re:sound and video on a PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611588)

Just as soon as you say a computer can't do it, someone makes a computer do it. But I'm quite sure that my computer can't run a realistic Uma Thurman simulation, with full tactile responses, just like a holodeck. Not possible.

Realistic simulation? Based on the Star Trek reference, I'd say the tactile response system would be money wasted.

Re:sound and video on a PC (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611759)

No, what you actually mean to say is that no-one will make an Open Source Uma Thurman simulation.
I'm sure you'll want to fix the behavioral bugs... like not wanting to hang out with a Slashdot geek.

Re:sound and video on a PC (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611775)

Course, we'll never be able to play HDTV on a computer.

Maybe *you* won't, but I've been doing it for over a year now. There are plenty of HDTV/ATSC tuner cards for the PC (windows only drivers so far) and since HDTV is fundamentally just a ~2MB/s mpeg-2 datastream, you don't even need special hardware to play it back.

Most ATI video cards sold over the last 18 months can play back hi-def mpeg2 with minimal effort. Even if you don't have such a card, it only takes about a 2.4GHz P4 or so to do all the decode on the cpu.

Wild Feed (4, Funny)

Z4rd0Z (211373) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611392)

Here's [saskschools.ca] a wild feed if anyone's interested.

Re:Wild Feed (3, Interesting)

joe_bruin (266648) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611824)

actually, there are few useful wild feeds.
the embedded news crews are equipped with encryption hardware (software?), so as not to make the information available to the enemy. same is true for field reports from kuwait and qatar.
this may not be the case with the baghdad cams (where the iraqis may not have approved encryption equipment coming into the country), but those are not very interesting at the moment anyway.

Oregon: Not Surprising (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611393)

Oregon was also the first state to boast a newspaper which refused to print the race of criminal suspects and refused to mention the names of "offensive" sports teams like the Cleveland Indians. Bunch of damn hippies if you ask me.

I like big butz (-1, Offtopic)

XMichael (563651) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611397)

It's all about big round asses! Mmm, big butz! http://www.asianfuckholes.com/

paradox (4, Interesting)

pangu (322010) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611398)

Revolution OS now available on media that the Revolution OS isn't supposed to be able to play...

Re:paradox (2, Funny)

Z4rd0Z (211373) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611413)

Truly a profound observation.

Re:paradox (4, Insightful)

gregfortune (313889) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611427)

It's not encrypted or region coded so it's perfectly legal to watch. The only contention arises when the DVD has been encrypted forcing us to break the encryption before we can watch the movie... Obviously, reading the entire post can be helpful sometimes...

what player? (1)

SHEENmaster (581283) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611505)

Did anyone bother to write a Linux DVD player for unencrypted videos? What's the point of writing a player if it won't get you arrested and exiled to a Turkish MPAA prison?

j/k, I assume that the files are just unencrypted mpegs found after mounting the disc?

Re:what player? (1)

BJH (11355) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611530)

Xine.

Re:what player? (4, Informative)

morgue-ann (453365) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611569)

Ogle and xine will play unencrypted DVDs if you are missing libdvdcss. In fact, xine has libdvdread and libdvdnav (and liba52?) in the main build now, so xine is all you need if you're playing libre discs.

There aren't many region free and CSS free discs in the US, but The Man Who Fell to Earth (VALIS) is one.

Revolution OS has been available from Netflix as a single disc since at least Christmas. My parents & sister watched it while visiting & learned more in 86 minutes about the open source movement than I could have told them in three hours.

My mother had to quit a job teaching Windows apps because they crashed so much she was embarrased. She consults on medical billing stuff running on MUMPS & VAXen (i.e. stable), so she was happy to learn that an alternative to Microsoft has some real momentum.

I quit a job (1)

SHEENmaster (581283) | more than 11 years ago | (#5612145)

because the Exchange server that my Java applets needed to place orders fucked ittself up so many damn times. (the config files would randomly reset themselves for factory default every week or two)

A big problem with Micro$oft's crap is that it makes those using it look bad, beyond mere embarrasement. I switched my father over to Linux several months ago, and he has never looked back.

Patents (2, Informative)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611537)

It's not encrypted or region coded so it's perfectly legal to watch.

Not entirely. As far as I know, AC3 audio and MPEG-2 video are patented in the United States.

Re:paradox (4, Informative)

homer_ca (144738) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611642)

Actually the MPEG2 codec is patented, so free DVD player software would be illegal in the US unless you paid your $2.50 to the MPEGLA [mpegla.com] .

Re:paradox (1)

Mr Z (6791) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611770)

Which part is patented: The encoding process, the bitstream syntax, or the decoding process?

As long as the decoding process is not patented, there isn't an issue.

Re:paradox (3, Interesting)

Mithrandir (3459) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611867)

All of it - at least as far as they are going to tell you. Unfortunately, the way the MPEG group works is everyone submits that they have x number of patents to the -LA group. It totals up all the patents, divides the money received and sends the proportional amount to the individual patent holders. It's a core problem with the spec because nobody knows exactly what is patented and which patent applies where, just that there are a lot of them. In fact, it is known that many of the patent claims are bogus (expired, not actually applicable), but there's so many (thousands last I heard) that it's not even worth their while to sort out the mess.

In the earlier processes, the patents were on the compression technology, not on the encoding or decoding. That's what Fraunhofer were going after all the free players with trying to force them to cough up non-existant money for licensing their patented compression technology. In that case, the patent was on how to compress the audio in a meaningful way and then extract the audio channel back again in hardware. They then managed to extend that claim to software implementations. The only reasone we know they had the patents on that particular piece of technology was that they stood out from the crowd and said "we own this, cough up the money now". Most of the time that doesn't happen - it just goes into an anonymous pool run by MPEG-LA.

Re:paradox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611745)

Someone please put this up on Kazaa so I can watch it.

If its good, I'll buy. I promise.

Re:paradox (2, Insightful)

embarcadero (568047) | more than 11 years ago | (#5612082)

dude -- this guy made this movie with his own money and is selling it with no encryption or region encoding because the community is always bitching about how evil the movie industry is with all their countermeasures.

If you want the DVD, just buy it. Show some support for one of the few people who did exactly what we're always asking for.

because they're rebels dude (1)

mao che minh (611166) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611432)

they're rebels

Re:paradox (4, Interesting)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611447)

No paradox: the version of Xine that comes with Lycoris Linux and Mandrake 9.1 has the DVD Menu plugin which will allow you full access to the Revolution OS DVD. Since there is no CSS encryption, there is no problem.

Re:paradox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611480)

Still a paradox that it has to be paid for and can't be DLed for free! (Or can it?)

Re:paradox (1)

ncc74656 (45571) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611764)

Revolution OS now available on media that the Revolution OS isn't supposed to be able to play...

If you had read the linked article, you would've learned that the Revolution OS DVD is region-free and CSS-free.

Then again, this is Slashdot...what the hell was I thinking, that someone would read an article before posting about it?

About time (4, Funny)

mao che minh (611166) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611404)

I had almost given up on ever seeing actually seeing Revolution OS.

What's this, a free software music video? this is going to be one of dumbest, geekiest things ever created. I can't wait to watch it.

Re:About time (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611538)

I have had the chance to go see one of the last screening of RevolutionOS. It is definitly worth watching. If you don't have a clear idea on who is who in the opensource/freesoftware arena, this will definitly give you a nice timeline and who's who. As far as the song is concerned, this is a "free software song" (i beleive the MP3 is availble on their website, fsf that is). it is funny, not ROTFL, but funny.

I'd recommend anyone to get that DVD. It is full of good stuff for anyone interested in where this comes from. It is not oriented towards your local (insert big project name here) hacker, but more oriented towards the young geek, and the businessman that will get involved with OpenSource. It sort of demistify the whole thing, give a very good idea on what freesoftware and opensource are, where they come from and where they are heading...

anyway, 'nuff said, go watch it for yourself and make a decision about its quality, don't trust me, i'm just a geek that believes all he reads on slashdot... -:>

Ladies and Gentlemen (3, Informative)

tjohns (657821) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611811)

Ahem...ladies and gentlemen, may I have your attention please...

I now present, for your listening enjoyment, The Free Software Song [gnu.org] !!!

Re:About time (1)

Stickster (72198) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611923)

That is the one part of the film we could have all done without. It's no secret that a lot of geeks dabble in music in their spare time; the ones depicted here should probably try pottery instead. Nevertheless, they did hang 'em out on the table, so you have to give them credit for that, at least. I do plan on buying the DVD, but I sure hope it has chapter stops so I can skip that god-awful song. Even my wife, who is much more forgiving than I, begged me to turn it off when we saw the movie on IFC. Good film other than that, though.

The most fascinating elements... (1)

Slur (61510) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611986)

...of Revolution OS are the bizarre physical mannerisms of RMS and ESR. I enjoyed all their commentary but I had to go home and take a shower to get rid of that creepy feeling.

Digital Media Player (3, Interesting)

doublesix (590400) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611434)

I highly recommend BroadQ's software. It uses a Sony Playstation to play MP3's DivX's etc over a home network. Its a work in progress but it rocks! BroadQ.co [broadq.com]

Re:Digital Media Player (1)

schulzdogg (165637) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611598)

This looks perfect, has anybody used it?

Re:Digital Media Player (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611791)

yes! its a neat hack, and its a wonderful addition to my living room.

windows only tho.....

Re:Digital Media Player (1)

nyquil (23124) | more than 11 years ago | (#5612022)

it does in fact work in linux, i use it all the time. the playstation boots up and contacts the local server you are running (i'm using the java version under linux), checks for new version of the player/codecs, downloads them to the local server if neccessary, then copies the player executable (java) to the ps2 and loads it. then you browse thru all the files you have shared, and play them. it works really really well.

Reporters chasing battles (0, Interesting)

lingqi (577227) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611439)

They are not kidding.

I saw on Japanese morning news that they got a reporter (or a few, I guess) riding with US troops in humvees through the Iraq desert.

The interesting part is - it's a woman! (and quite a good looking one) In the show she was complaining how hot and stuffy the desert suit is, and talking about the gas masks. I mean not to stereotype, but she would (from the look) fit to be one of those fragile-looking japanese ladies that will probably become a housewife in a few years.

I can hardly imagine what would happen if they really hit on some serious fighting. More interestingly, considering that there always seem to be rape-incidents a couple times a year with US troops stationed in S.Korea and Japan, I do wonder if the Iraqies pose more danger to her instead of her travel companions... Well unless she likes it that way; but anyhow... I doubt those troopes have their minds set on fighting - or, would fight more valiently than any other squadron in the force...

Re:Reporters chasing battles (1)

Xeleema (453073) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611487)

Ye-OW! No kidding about some of the troops in S.Korea and Japan. I've had friends that were stationed in S.Korea and all over Asia. The best places in Japan are the ones that let you rent a hotel room so you can trash it. Even better are the places that offer a Maid to come by in the middle of it...a bloke can go broke in the land of the Rising Sun.

Thats What they do Sex == Talk (0, Troll)

eadint (156250) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611814)

I would bet that the strategy is to put a sexy woman there so that the horny soldiers will tell her anything for attention. hell maybe she'll even fuck them if they give her really juicy stuff. did you see the hot looking redhead sex-pot they got covering the guy leading the whole thing I'll bet you ten dollars he's fucking her and thats why they put her there

TIMOTHY=TEH GEHY SUX0R (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611456)

I just saw the news on Jerry Springer. Internet histrionic and general whiny bitch TIMOTHY is GHEY. No other details are available yet, but it's something we've all suspected for years! Even if you're not a raging queer, you've still wanked yourself silly to one of his women-bashing articles. Truly an open source icon. His ass-cherry will be missed.

HP Digital Media Receiver doesn't support ogg... (3, Interesting)

daVinci1980 (73174) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611460)

...Won't stop me from buying it.

I'm all for Open standards, and I have all of my music encoded as ogg on my machine, but I have to say that I'm disappointed with the sound quality of it.

You can debate it all you like, but I've found that Ogg produces some sound artifacts that MP3 doesn't, that are more irritating to my big ol' ears.

Revolution OS from HP (4, Interesting)

ralphart (70342) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611485)

HP sent me a FREE copy.

I got several calls from various marketing/survey types (must have clicked on a box on their website one day expressing interest in Linux) and after asking a few questions said they'd be sending me information. Imagine my surprise when the package contained a DVD of Revolution OS.

Sorry to say I haven't watched it yet (kids thought it over-the-top geeky and refused access to the DVD player).

Re:Revolution OS from HP (4, Funny)

geekoid (135745) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611584)

you need to get new kids. ;)

I never got my free copy :( (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611592)

i think it was hp or ibm.
anyhow i filled out the survey and answered a phone call they the promised dvd never came.

either way i can't understand why Revolution OS is not free for downloading.

Re:I never got my free copy :( (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5612125)

uh, because the filmmaker spent his own money making it? and he's trying to make some of that back? and it's not from hollywood? don't be a dork.

Re:Revolution OS from HP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5612033)

FYI -- I have the hp one too.

the hp version is shorter and has less material. the new one on thinkgeek has lots of bonus material and the interview with the director and stuff.

Disturbing (-1, Flamebait)

No war for Israel (662118) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611488)

'A new bill would make Oregon the first state to take a formal stance against the hefty fees and technological limitations of software produced by large corporations such as Microsoft.'

'A House committee is scheduled to consider a proposal that promotes "open-source" software, which doesn't charge recurring fees and enables customers to alter the software code, making it more compatible with other programs.'

WTF? What business does the government have making statements like this. I can pick out my own software, thank you. This smacks of communism [internetnews.com] . I'm not saying you can't use open source software. I'm not even saying the government can't use open source software. But when the government starts advising private citizens how to run their businesses, you know there is a problem.

Re:Disturbing (4, Informative)

valkraider (611225) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611563)

They left out that it is for state agencies, not for private companies. The bill is here: House Bill 2892 [google.com] . There have been other slash stories [slashdot.org] on it as well. And a nice Google Search [google.com] can get tons of info.

This is a good bill.

Oregon also has some Bad Bills [google.com] like SB742 which would create terrorists of peace protestors, give them life in prison, and require local law enforcement to monitor "questionable" organizations. Hmm. A nice Google search [google.com] can net you more opinions on SB742. It is disturbing!

Re:Disturbing (2, Informative)

geekoid (135745) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611617)

SB742 has died in comittee.

May it rot in Hell.

Re:Disturbing (1)

MoOsEb0y (2177) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611784)

Have you even read the SB742 link you posted? It's about the DOT making money to do road improvements.

Karma whoring (2, Informative)

daserver (524964) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611494)

mms [sunsite.dk] is a menu system for playback of music and movies. It supports framebuffer/dxr3 and lircd/keyboard.

Ogg? (2, Funny)

lostchicken (226656) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611510)

Can it play Ogg Vor... Oh. Never mind.

Revolution OS on DVD? (1)

rlowe69 (74867) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611551)

Umm, I was at the Open Source Weekend [www.osw.ca] here in Ottawa, Canada January 25th and 26th and they showed Revolution OS and gave several DVD copies away as prizes. So the DVD version has been out for a while.

I can only assume that this DVD has more stuff? *shrug*

Re:Revolution OS on DVD? (1)

Smidge204 (605297) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611618)

"The 2-disc special edition set now available"

The description above goes on to list what makes it so special...
=Smidge=

Re:Revolution OS on DVD? (1)

Jester998 (156179) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611621)

Did they really give those away as prizes?

I was there, but donated $20 to OCLUG and they gave me a copy... it wasn't a prize so much as an incentive to donate $15 or more (anything less than $15 (IIRC) and you didn't get the DVD).

And I think the version that /. is talking about is the "bonus" 2-DVD set, such as found here [thinkgeek.com] .

FIGHT TEH POWER!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611576)

This is a DIE-IN!

EVERYBODY who doesn't support bush's imperialistaic policies and bloodlust for oil POST HERE and we'll clog teh article!!!!

DOWN with Bush and Blair, let the IRAQUI PEOPLE choose there government and if saddam is it then let it be!!!

WE WILL BE HEARED!

Re:FIGHT TEH POWER!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611674)

Dwon wif spelin two! Me no knead no skuul!

Sadom be guud guy! Him are fin d00d! Busch ates bibies to! Blare a fagut!

Saddam (1)

denisonbigred (611860) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611726)

Do you actually think that Saddam lets the people choose the government? Hell from the looks of our last election, we barely choose ours. Your reasoning is idiotic.

WildFeed what WildFeed (0)

PenguinPooper (627246) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611585)

Either I'm looking at the wrong bird at the wrong time or whatever, but all I'm seeing is backhauls (lots) too. I find it quite surprising that nobodys snagged a decent feed considering how many uplinks are going on... back to looking......

Re:WildFeed what WildFeed (2, Interesting)

Cpt_Kirks (37296) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611695)

I had to give up my dish when I moved last year, but feeds were going away then. It seems a lot of stuff is either encrypted or going to Ku band.

I saw tons of interesting stuff on my dish in 1991. Iraqis getting blown in half and crispy citters. A lot of footage was coming on the in dish, being censored and then put out on cable.

Now I have to make due with Fox News :/

Old Ike (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611638)

When I think of dirty old men, I think of Ike Thomas and when I think about Ike I get a hard-on that won't quit.

Sixty years ago, I worked in what was once my Grandfather's Greenhouses. Gramps had died a year earlier and Grandma, now in her seventies had been forced to sell to the competition. I got a job with the new owners and mostly worked the range by myself. That summer, they hired a man to help me get the benches ready for the fall planting.

Ike always looked like he was three days from a shave and his whiskers were dirty white, shaded by the brim of his battered felt fedora.

He did not chew tobacco but the corners of his mouth turned down in a way that, at any moment, I expected a trickle of thin, brown juice to creep down his chin. His bushy, brown eyebrows shaded pale, gray eyes.

Old Ike, he extended his hand, lifted his leg like a dog about to mark a bush and let go the loudest fart I ever heard. The old man winked at me, "Ike Thomas is the name and playing pecker's my game."

I thought he said, "Checkers." I was nineteen, green as grass. I said, "I was never much good at that game."

"Now me," said Ike, "I just love jumping men . . ."

"I'll bet you do."

". . . and grabbing on to their peckers," said Ike.

"I though we were talking about . . ."

"You like jumping old men's peckers?"

I shook my head.

"I reckon we'll have to remedy that." Ike lifted his right leg and let go another tremendous fart. "He said, "We best be getting to work."

That summer of 1941 was a more innocent time. I learned most of the sex I knew from those little eight pager cartoon booklets of comic-page characters going at it. Young men read them in the privacy of an outside john, played with themselves, by themselves and didn't brag about it. Sometimes, we got off with a trusted friend and helped each other out.

Under the greenhouse glass, the temperature some times climbed over the hundred degree mark. I had worked stripped to the waist since April and was as brown as a berry. On only his second day on the job and in the middle of August, Ike wore old fashioned overalls. Those and socks in his high-top work shoes was every stitch he wore. When he bent forward, the bib front billowed out and I could see the white curly hairs on his chest and belly.

"Me? I just love to eat pussy!" Ike licked his lips from corner to corner then sticking his tongue out far enough that the tip could touch the end of his nose. He said, A man's not a man till he knows first hand, the flavor of a lady's pussy."

"People do that?"

He winked. "Of course the taste of a hard cock ain't to be sneezed at neither. Now you answer me, yes or no. Does a man's cock taste salty or not?"

"I never . . ."

"Well, old Ike's willing to let you find out."

"No way."

"Just teasing," said Ike. "But don't give me no sass or I'll show you my ass." He winked. "Might show it to you anyway, if you was to ask."

"Why would I do that?"

"Curiosity, maybe. I'm guessing you never had a good piece of man ass."

"I'm no queer."

"Now don't be getting judgmental. Enjoying what's at hand ain't being queer. It's taking pleasure where you find it with anybody willing." Ike slipped a hand into the side slit of his overalls and I could tell he was fondling and straightening out his cock. "Now I admit I got me a hole that satisfied a few guys."

I swallowed, hard.

Ike winked. "Care to be asshole buddies?"

***

We worked steadily until noon. Ike drew a worn pocket watch from the bib pocket of his loose overalls and croaked, "Bean time. But first its time to reel out our limber hoses and make with the golden arches before lunch."

I followed Ike to the end of the greenhouse where he stopped at the outside wall of the potting shed. He opened his fly, fished inside, and finger-hooked a soft white penis with a pouting foreskin puckered half an inch past the hidden head.

"Yes sir," breathed Ike, "this old peter needs some draining." He exhaled a sigh as a strong, yellow stream splattered against the boards and ran down to soak into the earthen floor.

He caught me looking down at him. He winked. "Like what you're viewing, Boy?"

I looked away.

"You taking a serious interest in old Ike's pecker?"

I shook my head.

"Well you just haul out yourn and let old Ike return the compliment."

Feeling trapped and really having to go, I fumbled at my fly, turned away slightly, withdrew my penis and strained to start.

"Take your time boy. Let it all hang out. Old Ike's the first to admit that he likes looking at another man's pecker." He flicked away the last drop of urine and shook his limp penis vigorously.

I tried not to look interested.

"Yes sir, this old peepee feels so good out, I just might leave it out." He turned to give me a better view.

"What if somebody walks in?"

Ike shrugged. He looked at my strong yellow stream beating against the boards and moved a step closer. "You got a nice one,boy."

I glanced over at him. His cock was definitely larger and beginning to stick straight out. I nodded toward his crotch. "Don't you think you should put that away?"

"I got me strictly a parlor prick," said Ike. "Barely measures six inches." He grinned. "Of course it's big enough around to make a mouthful." He ran a thumb and forefinger along its length and drawing his foreskin back enough to expose the tip of the pink head. "Yersiree." He grinned, revealing nicotine stained teeth. "It sure feels good, letting the old boy breathe."

I knew I should button up and move away. I watched his fingers moving up and down the thickening column.

"You like checking out this old man's cock?"

I nodded. In spite of myself, my cock began to swell.

"Maybe we should have ourselves a little pecker pulling party." Ike slid his fingers back and forth on his expanding shaft and winked. "I may be old but I'm not against doing some little pud pulling with a friend."

I shook my head.

"Maybe I'll give my balls some air. Would you like a viewing of old Ike's hairy balls?"

I swallowed hard and moistened my dry lips.

He opened another button on his fly and pulled out his scrotum. "Good God, It feels good to set 'em free. Now let's see yours."

"Why?"

"Just to show you're neighborly," said Ike.

"I don't think so." I buttoned up and moved into the potting shed.

Ike followed, his cock and balls protruding from the front of his overalls. "Overlook my informality." Ike grinned. "As you can see I ain't bashful."

I nodded and took my sandwich from the brown paper bag.

"Yessir," said Ike. "I just might have to have myself an old fashioned peter pulling all by my lonesome. He unhooked a shoulder strap and let his overalls drop around his ankles.

I took a bite of my sandwich but my eyes remained on Ike.

"Yessiree," said Ike, "I got a good one if I do say so myself. Gets nearly as hard as when I was eighteen. You know why?"

I shook my head.

"Cause I keep exercising him. When I was younger I was pulling on it three time a day. Still like to do him every day I can."

"Some say you'll go blind if you do that too much."

"Bull-loney!" Don't you believe that shit. I been pulling my pud for close to fifty years and I didn't start till I was fifteen."

I laughed.

"You laughing at my little peter, boy?"

"Your hat." I pointed to the soiled, brown fedora cocked on his head. That and his overalls draped about his ankles were his only items of apparel. In between was a chest full of gray curly hair, two hairy legs. Smack between them stood an erect, pale white cock with a tip of foreskin still hiding the head.

"I am one hairy S.O.B.," said Ike.

"I laughed at you wearing nothing but a hat."

"Covers up my bald spot," said Ike. "I got more hair on my ass than I got on my head. Want to see?"

"Your head?"

"No, Boy, my hairy ass and around my tight, brown asshole." He turned, reached back with both hands and parted his ass cheeks to reveal the small, puckered opening. "There it is, Boy, the entrance lots of good feelings. Tell me, Boy, how would you like to put it up old Ike's ass?"

"I don't think so."

"That'd be the best damned piece you ever got."

"We shouldn't be talking like this."

"C'mon now, confess, don't this make your cock perk up a little bit?"

"I reckon," I confessed.

"You ever seen an old man's hard cock before," asked Ike.

"My grandpa's when I was twelve or thirteen."

"How'd that come about?"

He was out in the barn and didn't know I was around. He dropped his pants. It was real big he did things to it. He saw me and he turned around real fast but I saw it."

"What did your grandpa do?"

"He said I shouldn't be watching him doing that. He said something like grandma wouldn't give him some,' that morning and that I should get out of there and leave a poor man in peace to do what he had to do."

"Did you want to join him."

"I might have if he'd asked. He didn't."

"I like showing off my cock," said Ike. "A hard-on is something I always been proud of. A hard-on proves a man's a man. Makes me feel like a man that can do things." He looked up at me and winked. "You getting a hard-on from all this talk, son?"

I nodded and looked away.

"Then maybe you should pull it out and show old Ike what you got."

"We shouldn't."

"Hey. A man's not a man till he jacked off with a buddy."

I wanted to but I was as nervous as hell.

Ike grinned and fingered his pecker. "C'mon, Boy, between friends, a little cock showing is perfectly fine. Lets see what you got in the cock and balls department."

In spite of my reluctance, I felt the stirring in my crotch. I had curiosity that needed satisfying. It had been a long, long time since I had walked in on my grandfather .

"C'mon let's see it all."

I shook my head.

"You can join the party anytime, said Ike. "Just drop your pants and pump away."

I had the urge. There was a tingling in my crotch. My cock was definitely willing and I had a terrible need to adjust myself down there. But my timidity and the strangeness of it all held me back.

Hope you don't mind if I play out this hand." Ike grinned. "It feels like I got a winner."

I stared at his gnarled hand sliding up and down that pale, white column and I could not look away. I wet my lips and shook my head.

Old Ike's about to spout a geyser." Ike breathed harder as he winked. "Now if I just had a long finger up my ass. You interested, boy?"

I shook my head.

The first, translucent, white glob crested the top of his cock and and arced to the dirt floor. Ike held his cock at the base with thumb and forefinger and tightened noticeably with each throb of ejaculation until he was finished.

I could not believe any man could do what he had done in front of another human being.

Ike sighed with pleasure and licked his fingers. "A man ain't a man till he's tasted his own juices."

He squatted, turned on the faucet and picked up the connected hose. He directed the water between his legs and on to his still dripping prick and milked the few remaining drops of white, sticky stuff into the puddle forming at his feet. "Cool water sure feels good on a cock that just shot its wad," said Ike.

***

"Cock-tale telling time," said Old Ike. It was the next day and he rubbed the front of his dirty,worn overalls where his bulge made the fly expand as his fingers smoothed the denim around the outline of his expanding cock.

I wasn't sure what he had in mind but I knew it wasn't something my straight-laced Grandma would approve of.

"Don't you like taking your cock out and jacking it?" Ike licked his lips.

I shook my head in denial.

"Sure you do. A young man in his prime has got to be pulling his pud."

I stared at his calloused hand moving over the growing bulge at his crotch.

"Like I said," continued Ike, "I got me barely six inches when he's standing up." He winked at me. "How much you got, son?"

"Almost seven inches . . ." I stuttered. "Last time I measured."

"And I'm betting it feels real good with your fist wrapped around it."

"I don't do . . ."

"Everybody does it." He scratched his balls and said,"I'll show you mine if you show me yours." Then, looking me in the eye, he lifted his leg like a dog at a tree and let out a long, noisy fart.

Denying that I jacked off, I said, "I saw yours yesterday."

"A man has got to take out his pecker every once in a while." He winked and his fingers played with a button on his fly. Care to join me today?"

"I don't think so."

"What's the matter, boy? You ashamed of what's hanging 'tween your skinny legs?"

"It's not for showing off."

"That would be so with a crowd of strangers but with a friend, in a friendly showdown, where's the harm?

"It shouldn't be shown to other people. My Grandma said that a long time ago when I went to the bathroom against a tree when I was seven.

"There's nothing like a joint pulling among friends to seal a friendship," said Ike.

I don't think so." I felt very much, ill at ease.

"Then what the fuck is it for," demanded the old man. "A good man shares his cock with his friends. How old are you boy?"

"Nineteen almost twenty."

You ever fucked a woman?"

"No."

"Ever fucked a man?"

"Of course not.

"Son, you ain't never lived till you've fired your load up a man's tight ass."

"I didn't know men did that to each other."

"Men shove it up men's asses men all the time. They just don't talk about it like they do pussy."

"You've done that?"

"I admit this old pecker's been up a few manholes. More than a few hard cocks have shagged this old ass over the years." He shook his head, wistfully, "I still have a hankering for a hard one up the old dirt chute."

"I think that would hurt."

"First time, it usually does," agreed Ike. He took a bite from his sandwich.

I looked at my watch. Ten minutes of our lunch hour had already passed.

"We got time for a quickie," said Ike. "There's no one around to say, stop, if were enjoying ourselves."

He unhooked the slide off the button of one shoulder-strap, pushed the bib of his overalls down to let them fall to his feet.

"Showtime," said Ike. Between his legs, white and hairy, his semi-hard cock emerged from a tangled mass of brown and gray pubic hair. The foreskin, still puckered beyond the head of the cock, extended downward forty-five degrees from the horizontal but was definitely on the rise.

I could only stare at the man. Until the day before, I had never seen an older man with an erection besides my grandpa.

Ike moved his fingers along the stalk of his manhood until the head partially emerged, purplish and broad. He removed his hand for a moment and it bobbled obscenely in the subdued light of the potting shed. Ike leaned back against a bin of clay pots like a model on display. "Like I said, boy, it gets the job done."

I found it difficult not to watch. "You shouldn't . . ."

"C'mon, boy. Show Ike your pecker. I'm betting it's nice and hard."

I grasped my belt and tugged on the open end. I slipped the waistband button and two more before pushing down my blue jeans and shorts down in one move. My cock bounced and slapped my belly as I straightened."

"That's a beaut." Ike stroked his pale, white cock with the purplish-pink head shining. "I'm betting it'll grow some more if you stroke it."

"We really shouldn't . . ."

"Now don't tell me you never stroked your hard peter with a buddy."

"I've done that," I finally admitted,. "But he was the same age as me and it was a long time ago." I though back to the last time Chuck and me jerked each other off in the loft of our old barn. Chuck wanted more as a going away present and we had sucked each other's dicks a little bit.

"Jackin's always better when you do it with somebody," said Ike. "Then you can lend each other a helping hand."

"I don't know about that," I said.

Ike's hand continued moving on his old cock as he leaned over to inspect mine. "God Damn! Boy. That cock looks good enough to eat." Ike licked his lips. "You ever had that baby sucked?"

I shook my head as I watched the old man stroke his hard, pale cock.

"Well boy, I'd say you're packing a real mouthful for some lucky gal or guy." He grinned. "Well c'mon. Let's see you get down to some serious jacking. Old Ike's way ahead of you."

I wrapped my fist around my stiff cock and moved the foreskin up and over the head on the up stroke. On the down stroke the expanded corona of the angry, purple head stared obscenely at the naked old man.

Ike toyed with his modest six inches. "What do you think of this old man's cock?" His fist rode down to his balls and a cockhead smaller than the barrel stared back at mine.

"I guess I'm thinking this is like doing it with my grandpa."

"You ever wish you could a done this with your grandpa?"

"I thought about it a lot."

"Ever see him with a hard-on."

"I told you about that!"

"Ever think about him doing your grandma?"

"I can't imagine her ever doing anything with a man.

"Take my word for it, sonny, we know she did it or you wouldn't be here." Begrudgingly I nodded in agreement.

"Everybody fucks," said old Ike. "They fuck or they jack off."

"If you say so."

"Say sonny, your cocks getting real juicy with slickum. Want old Ike to lick some of it away?"

"You wouldn't."

Ike licked his lips as he kept his hand pistoning up and down his hard cock. "You might be surprised what old Ike might do if he was in the mood for a taste of what comes out of a hard cock."

And that is what he proceeded to do. He sucked me dry.

Then he erupted in half-a-dozen spurts shooting out and onto the dirt floor of the potting shed. He gave his cock a flip and shucked t back into his overalls. He unwrapped a sandwich from its wax paper and proceed to eat without washing his hands. He took a bite and chewed. "Nothing like it boy, a good jacking clears the cobwebs from your crotch and gives a man an appetite."

***

The following day, We skipped the preliminaries. We dropped our pants. Ike got down on his knees and sucked me until I was hard and good and wet before he stood and turned.

"C'mon boy, Shove that pretty cock up old Ike's tight, brown hole and massage old Ike's prostate.

Ike bent forward and gripped the edge of the potting bench. The lean, white cheeked buttocks parted slightly and exposed the dark brown, crinkly, puckered star of his asshole "Now you go slow and ease it along until you've got it all the way in," he cautioned. "This old ass craves your young cock but it don't want too much too soon. You've got to let this old hole stretch to accommodate you."

"Are you sure you want to do this?"

"Easy boy, easy," he cautioned. "You feel a lot bigger than you look. Put a little more spit in your cock."

"It's awfully tight. I don't know if it's going to go or not."

"It'll go," said Ike. "There's been bigger boys than you up the old shit chute."

I slipped in the the last few inches.. "It's all in."

"I can tell," said Ike. "Your cock hairs are tickling my ass."

"Are you ready," I asked.

"How are you liking old Ike's hairy asshole so far?"

"It's real tight."

"Tighter than your fist?"

"Might be."

"Ready to throw a fuck into a man that reminds you of your grandpa."

"I reckon."

"I want you should do old Ike one more favor."

"What?"

While you're pumpin' my ass, would you reach around and play with my dick like you would your own? Would you do that for an old man?"

I reached around and took hold of his hard cock sticking out straight in front of him. I pilled the skin back and then pulled it up and over the expanded glans. I felt my own cock expand inside him as I manipulated his staff in my fingers. I imagined that my cock extended through him and I was playing with what came out the other side of him.

"C'mon, boy, ram that big cock up the old shitter and make me know it. God Damn! tickle that old prostate and make old Ike come!"

I came. And I came. Ike's tightened up on my cock and I throbbed Roman Candle bursts into that brown hole as I pressed into him. His hairy, scrawny ass flattened against my crotch and we were joined as tightly as two humans can be.

"A man's not a man till he's cum in another man." said old Ike. "You made it, boy. But still, a man's not a man till he's had a hard cock poked up his ass at least once."

Every time I think of that scene, I get another hard-on. Then I remember the next day when old Ike returned the favor.

I never have managed to come that hard again. If only Ike were here.

HP Digital Media Receiver (3, Interesting)

ryanr (30917) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611645)

Close, but not quite enough... I want a similar box with a DVD (ROM) drive in it, so one can walk up and play physical DVDs in it, too. I was all set to buy a GoVideo D2730, but SonicBlue decided to go bankrupt and sell off the product lines instead of releasing them.

Yeah, I know, I DO plan to build a HTPC, but I'd like to have a box available in the $200-300 range that the wife and children can use as simply as a DVD player. I can take care of the media server behind the sceens myself. I'm not going to build a $1000 HTPC for each TV in the house...

Ideally, the box would do 100bT (the HP box says it's 10), and I'd like it to run an OS that I get source for, so I can customize it. Oh, and a pony, I'd like a pony.

Seriously though, I'd love to have the proverbial Linux set-top box, with maybe a 5 1/4 bay to accept a DVD drive (that could cost extra, I don't care that much.) The important bits are that it be AV-style casing, be in the $200-300 range, and have flawless, standard NTSC output. Doesn't need to be HDTV yet. Just composite and s-video, maybe component would be nice. Needs an IR input for remote as well. I'm actually willing to put up with the endless software upgrade cycle and small glitches that represent an immature or beta software base. I can upgrade/try other progs as needed.

Anyone know of such a boxen that meets my criteria?

Re:HP Digital Media Receiver (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611696)

Yeah, I know, I DO plan to build a HTPC, but I'd like to have a box available in the $200-300 range that the wife and children can use as simply as a DVD player. I can take care of the media server behind the sceens myself. I'm not going to build a $1000 HTPC for each TV in the house...

Ever consider buying ... (wait for it) ... a $200-$300 DVD player?

Re:HP Digital Media Receiver (1)

ryanr (30917) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611725)

Ever consider buying ... (wait for it) ... a $200-$300 DVD player?

Well...no. First off, I haven't seen much on a $300 DVD player that interests me more than the $80 ones... and second, I'm under the impression that DVD players do a poor job of streaming ripped DVDs and MP3s from the local Ethernet. If you know of a DVD player that does the latter bit, then that's what I'm after...

Re:HP Digital Media Receiver (0, Troll)

Osty (16825) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611793)

I'm under the impression that DVD players do a poor job of streaming ripped DVDs and MP3s from the local Ethernet. If you know of a DVD player that does the latter bit, then that's what I'm after...

Here's an idea -- try buying DVDs and CDs. I've never found a DVD player that couldn't play DVDs and CDs.


However, if you must pirate (blah blah blah backing up my discs because I'm afraid they're going to get damaged blah blah *cough*bullshit*cough*), I'm sure you're smart enough to figure out how to burn those to a DVD or CD for play in your DVD player. Many DVD players now will play mp3 files directly, and a number will even play Divx movies directly as well. Add to that the fact that you'll get better picture quality out of a DVD player than a HTPC (well, without major and time consuming tweaking of your HTPC, anyway), and generally better sound quality (I've never seen a $200-$300 PC with TOSLink output), I don't see any reason why you wouldn't buy a stand-alone DVD player.

Which player? (1)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611930)

blah blah blah backing up my discs because I'm afraid they're going to get damaged blah blah *cough*bullshit*cough*

Would you frown on "format-shifting VHS tapes because I'm afraid VHS will go the way of the 8-track after my VCR has died" or "format-shifting VHS tapes because they're notorious for wearing out after a couple dozen plays"?

Many DVD players now will play mp3 files directly, and a number will even play Divx movies directly as well.

Divx 1 movies (Circuit City time-bomb DVD) don't work anymore because the license servers have been taken down. Which set-top player do you recommend for DivX 4+ movies (AVI with MPEG-4 video and MP3 or AC3 audio)?

Re:Which player? (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611984)

Would you frown on "format-shifting VHS tapes because I'm afraid VHS will go the way of the 8-track after my VCR has died" or "format-shifting VHS tapes because they're notorious for wearing out after a couple dozen plays"?

I realize there are legitimate reasons for timeshifting. Certainly archiving your old VHS tapes is one, as is archiving old home movies. Fine. Rip them into your PC, and then onto VCD or DVD. However, that doesn't change the fact that many people do pirate movies. It just gives them a convenient excuse they can tell themselves to help manage their guilt.


Divx 1 movies (Circuit City time-bomb DVD) don't work anymore because the license servers have been taken down. Which set-top player do you recommend for DivX 4+ movies (AVI with MPEG-4 video and MP3 or AC3 audio)?

People still relate Circuit City's aborted "Divx" with the word "Divx"? Anyway, I obviously meant the MPEG4-based DivX encoding that is popular for movies (pirated and otherwise) these days. As for players that support it, look here [dvdrhelp.com] . Ignoring the two DVD-playing consoles (PS2 and XBox, where the XBox at least requires hacking before it'll play mpeg4/divx and so doesn't count), there's still 5 other players that support Divx, and at least one of them is in the $200-$300 price range.

Re:HP Digital Media Receiver (1)

ryanr (30917) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611942)

At this point, you're just being a troll, but let's give it one last shot...

First off, my DVDs are contstantly getting trashed by my small children, and yes that's the main reason for wanting a system that doesn't require physical media. However, if all I wanted to do was copy them, then why do I want the DVD-rom drive in it? The drives in my PCs will rip the movies just fine. It's because I want to play physical media that I own on them, on occasion. If all my video were just downloaded, then I'd be fine with the $200 HP box, wouldn't I?

I don't care about a TOSLink output, I have nothing that takes that as an input.. a fact that ought to be blatantly obvious if I'm only interested in NTSC, and $80 DVD players make me happy.

The main point, which you've managed to avoid through a couple of posts now, is that I want a box that can play audio and video from across a network as well as physical disks. If you know of such a box, I'd like to hear about it. Otherwise, your opinion on whether what I'm trying to do is legitimate is of no use to anyone.

Re:HP Digital Media Receiver (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611776)

The hardware's been availible for a really long time. Unfortunately, no software has come out to support it.

What DO these people do with their HTPCs? How the heck do you effectively control windows/linux with a remote (other than moving the mouse around with a joystick)?

We simply need a tivo-like application to organize all our videos, etc. Even the Digital Media Center edition of windows doesn't come close, handles music horribly, requires hardware mpeg compression, and STILL stresses a P4 (and yet the tivo can work easily with a 50mhz PPC chip). Sure, I know about mythTV and freevo - the two projects certainly look promising, but aren't even close to ideal yet (although linux is certainly winning this race, I'd like to see something from apple).

Not yet. Not yet.

Re:HP Digital Media Receiver (3, Interesting)

ryanr (30917) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611990)

The hardware's been availible for a really long time. Unfortunately, no software has come out to support it.

I'm kinda seeing the opposite, at least for the hardware I'm looking for (as descibed in my original post). Specifically, I'm not seeing a lot of hardware that is in a small VCR-size case, perhaps solid-state, built-in IR receiver, video chipset specifically designed for TV output. I've seen a few set-top box announcements, but I'm not seeing them make it to market. Maybe software is the reason, I don't know.

On the other hand, I see many Linux video-related software projects for general-purpose x86 PCs, if you don't mind spending the $1000 for decent hardware and having the noisy, large PC by the TV.

What DO these people do with their HTPCs? How the heck do you effectively control windows/linux with a remote (other than moving the mouse around with a joystick)?

You don't control the OS in general from a remote. (well, if you want to use your TV as a monitor, you can get wireless mice and keyboards.) For my application, you set the machine to boot with your AV application full-screen, and your remote talks to that. Think running Windows Media Player from a remote. All the functions you'd want to do could be done from a stardard universal remote, except for the naming & categorization tasks. For what I'm after, that's done on the server though, not the set-top boxes.

We simply need a tivo-like application to organize all our videos, etc. Even the Digital Media Center edition of windows doesn't come close, handles music horribly, requires hardware mpeg compression, and STILL stresses a P4 (and yet the tivo can work easily with a 50mhz PPC chip). Sure, I know about mythTV and freevo - the two projects certainly look promising, but aren't even close to ideal yet (although linux is certainly winning this race, I'd like to see something from apple).

That's what I'm talking about... In fact, the TIVO is just about exactly what I'm after, right down to running Linux. Problem is that it's not aimed at being a remote DVD player, but rather it's PVR function (duh). Plus the subscription fees and their attempts to keep it as closed as possible are really counter-productive to the kinds of projects I'd like to try. Still, the hardware base is about right, and the price would be about right without the large hard drives.

Re:HP Digital Media Receiver (1)

lukew (528994) | more than 11 years ago | (#5612013)

Risking the imminent geek bashing I have coming my way, I have to suggest an Xbox.

Of course, it's not entirely legal the mods to get it running. But it makes a beautiful mediabox (streaming accross the network, the client I'm using looks like a hacked up Shoutcast server), DVD player, and of course - Xbox games.

I must now retreat to my bunker before the anti-MS masses storm the area. See you in 6 months.

Re:HP Digital Media Receiver (1)

ryanr (30917) | more than 11 years ago | (#5612069)

Actually, I was wondering about the game consoles, and was hoping someone had tried that and would reply. :)

The XBox will actually do all the video output options, including HDTV, no? I remember reading some Viewsonic scan converter review that mentioned a couple of games doing 1080i. I have no moral issues with modding one so I can run my choice of software. I don't even have any use for XBox games, that's what my Windows machine is for. :)

So what OS are you using when streaming video? The one that comes with it? Tried the XBox linux at all? I'm curious how good the video support is.

How much for an XBox with a mod & Ethernet (Fast Ethernet?) Do they have IR receivers, or any aftermarket ones?

Re:HP Digital Media Receiver (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 11 years ago | (#5612052)

The ZapStation [zapmedia.com] is probably a bit more than you need, but I find it works pretty well.

Lacking Rendevous :( (3, Interesting)

miradu2000 (196048) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611647)

More important than Ogg support IMHO how HP decided not to implement the ZeroConf (apple's rendevous) stanered into this device. For consumers to realyl pick up on this, it needs to be plug and play - the ONLY way that will happen is if you don't have to set up anything.. Rendevous lets that happen. The new Tivo option will preform much better than this do to it's rendevous integration with computers.

*sigh*... maybe in a firmware rev?

OK then (3, Insightful)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611650)

'A new bill would make Oregon the first state to take a formal stance against the hefty fees and technological limitations of software produced by large corporations such as Microsoft.'

I would like more information about this. States have tons of custom and commercial software packages they use for everything from tracking DUI offenders to registering kids in school districts. And those products more likely than not use things like databases and middleware things that are mostly OS-specific.

Forget about Windows and Office for a sec and think about the costs related to moving all that to an "open" platform. Especially today, when most states are flat broke and pulling money away from programs like education and welfare.

Does anyone have any real, specific information as to how Oregon plans to deal with this, outside of the all too familiar "oh, another blow to m$" static I keep hearing?

It seems to me that these are mostly empty gestures. What they should be doing is introducing alternative operating systems and applications selectively, where it makes sense and they represent the best tool for the job at hand. In this scenario, the "you must use [insert software]" is nothing more than an imposition made by the very people who know absolutely nothing about these things (the legislators) to the detriment of the people who will actually burden this (the MIS staffs at the state agencies). And ultimately, to the detriment of the taxpayers as well.

It's a bad Dilbert cartoon - at a massive scale.

Re:OK then (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611755)

The biggest factor in the bill is to help schools. About a year ago, Microsoft threatened to audit all the schools in Portland for compliance. A couple districts are experimenting with Linux and OpenOffice, and this bill would encourage that type of preference. Presently, many district tech-heads mandate Microsoft-only software purchases.

Re:OK then (5, Insightful)

Otter (3800) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611815)

What are you taking about? This bill only requires that open source alternatives be _considered_. It certainly doesn't require that all existing software be thrown out.

Look, I'm as game as anyone for ridiculing the kiddies who think because they get by with only Linux for their computer use (email, IM web browsing) it should be shoved down the throats of every highway department and armed forces branch, but that has nothing to do with this.

Re:OK then (1)

eadint (156250) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611903)

most gvernment work is done by tn3270
that wp, and other office stuff can easilly be done.

In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5612132)

The State of Oregon is doing such a wonderful job that that community of Sherwood, a town with one of the highest gross income per citizen has the lowest school funding. Roughly $250 less per student then the second least funded school district.

Way to go!

I have to admit though it is funny looking at the school boards saying things like

"School Closed March 21 Due to Lack of Funds"

I think their trying to give us a guild trip :)

Revolution OS (1)

Karpe (1147) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611679)

I wonder if the video transfer is anamorphic. It says it is 2.35:1 letterboxed, but some people call any video that is wider than 16:9 letterboxed, because it always has horizontal bars, even if the transfer is anamorphic.

Re:Revolution OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611782)

?? Surely the presence of the two black bars is why they call it "letterboxed" ?

Revolution OS (1)

fobbman (131816) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611741)

Sounds cool. Can I just download an ISO of the DVD instead?

I need sleep (2, Funny)

grondu (239962) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611769)

region-free

Man, I need sleep. I read that as Rogaine-free.

Revolution OS on P2P networks? (0, Troll)

iCEBaLM (34905) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611829)

Someone wanna put this on one of the P2P networks? $15 for a DVD case to ship to CANADA is ludicrous.

-- iCEBaLM

Re:Revolution OS on P2P networks? (1)

embarcadero (568047) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611983)

You know, that's just rude. The director self-financed this documentary, and has been one of the most flexible and open independent filmmakers EVER in trying to publish incredible material about the linux & open source community without doing the bullshit things that the big media companies do, like regional encoding.

To stiff him his $15 bucks on such an amazing and expensive-to-produce piece of Linux history is EXACTLY the attitude that the RIAA expects of us.

If I see this thing on Kazaa, I'll change my opinion about the RIAA's stuff. There's no reason to fight for the moral high ground if the community acts so incredibly selfish and hypocritical, and destroys one of the most obvious supporters of the open-source value system.

Re:Revolution OS on P2P networks? (1)

iCEBaLM (34905) | more than 11 years ago | (#5612121)

The DVD itself isn't $15, that's just the SHIPPING cost. The DVD is $25, of which I would gladly pay, but I will not pay 60% of that cost in shipping fees!

If he wants to get paid, he should have more than one retailer for it, one that perhaps doesn't charge 60% of the cost of the actual product just to ship it across one land shared border (of which it really only costs about $5 to do).

-- iCEBaLM

What a deal! (3, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611837)

All corporate patrons receive two gratis hours of Free Software licensing and/or GPL consulting from FSF's GPL Compliance Labs (with a reduced rate for further consultation).

Wow, two free hours of RMS insisting that "it's correctly termed GNU/Linux -- here, read this 85 point manifesto."

It's a nice chunk of change they've picked up, though. Looking at their rates [fsf.org] , that's $10,000 each from IBM and HP, and probably $500 each from the others. I wonder if they really got that much out of them or if they offered a discount to get the ball rolling.

Re:What a deal! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611883)

Wow, I post this on the wrong story, repost it on the correct story and get modded up on the wrong story!

-- Otter

As a former state worker (4, Insightful)

eadint (156250) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611889)

I worked at EDD in sacramento. and i think gnu would be great there. in california 90% of the real work is done by tn3270 this can easily be done in linux. the major needs are. email, word processor, spreadsheet and presentations for the managers. the main road block would be exchange most big corporations love that program and i don't think that there is a real alternative to it. but I'm sure that that could be worked out.
Star office
X3279 or something like that
Mozilla for a web browser.
although i would set the managers up with Apples. the less they have to thing the better off you are, as a former it person for them i should know.

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