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Linux Running on Xbox Without Modchip!

CmdrTaco posted about 11 years ago | from the kinda-anyway dept.

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NiteStar writes "It looks like people on xbox-scene.com and xboxhacker.net managed to run Xbox-Linux on a non-modded Xbox console. It requires no soldering at all - you don't even have to open up the Xbox. They are using an exploit in the saved game handling of the EA xbox game '007 Agent Under Fire'. It requires the original version of the 007 game and a memorycard you can connect to PC like the mega-X-key or datel's action replay. Apparently you can even build this memorycard yourself using a standard USB memstick." Frankly it seems like just soldering in the modchip would be easy, but big points for being clever!

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first post haha (0, Troll)

ducker (450266) | about 11 years ago | (#5625951)

Nah sounds good but not chance of flashing tsop without soldering, getting full linux to work. Backup games wont work either... yet

First 'what about the money' post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5625952)

Who gets the big dollars for figuring it out? Technically they solved Lindows-boy's proposal.

first post and wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5625953)

Amazing. I am stunning that anyone even thought of pulling something so bad ass like this off.

help (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5625954)

my penis just fell off and i can't seem to locate it can somebody please help me, i'm sure a lot of you slsahdotters have those new PENIS LOCATORS because you are always locating other ghey menz penises

Re:help (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5625966)

Never mind, you will just have to accept that you are a girl and must sit or squat to piss.

Re:help (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5626249)

1. Eat breakfast at Kiev
2. Walk down Second Avenue towards St. Mark's Place
3. Look for those people selling used books and other junk on the street
4. Look for the broken toaster oven on the blanket
5. ???
6. Penis!

1st (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5625955)

Suck it

price money? (3, Funny)

matt4077 (581118) | about 11 years ago | (#5625956)

So, does this qualify for the rest of the price money from that lindows founder?

Anyway, i think they should award a price to the person that finds a good reason to run linux on a x-box.

Re:price money? (2, Funny)

Loosewire (628916) | about 11 years ago | (#5625961)

hehe that says it all "That lindows founder" he wanted a higher profile out of this but no, he is still an unnamed guy

Re:price money? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5625989)

award a price to the person that finds a good reason to run linux on a x-box.

Pissing off microsoft is the best reason on the planet.

what else could you want?

Re:price money? (4, Insightful)

Lxy (80823) | about 11 years ago | (#5626018)

When the Xbox is yesterday's game console and you can pick it up at the pawn shop for $50, you'll be happy that it can run linux unmodded.

Now, the real test here would be benchmarking UT or Quake on the Xbox against the Walmart Microtel PC. Everyone's whining about how stupid this is, that you can buy a PC for the price of an Xbox, etc, let's see some numbers. The Microtel stuff isn't designed for gaming, the Xbox is. If I can haul ass on UT on the Xbox, it was worth it.

Re:price money? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5626294)

In many ways the X-Box would be the perfect platform to show off Gentoo Linux's capabilities. Gentoo is compiled on the machine it runs upon, and therefore is always optimized for that specific hardware combination. As a result, an X-Box with Gentoo would be one of the most highly optimized Linux systems imaginable: indeed, it may even be more optimal than a standard X-Box with the embedded Windows 2000 kernel usually used, as it's doubtful the latter is optimized for specifically for the X Box.

Also, Gentoo would be optimized for the rest of the hardware. Most applications, for example, would be compiled without floppy support because the X Box doesn't have a floppy: likewise, binaries like 'rm', 'grep', and 'mozilla-bin' wouldn't need to be bloated with PS/2 support as the X-Box is an exclusively legacy free technology and does not support PS/2, using USB instead.

Gentoo is awesome. You should check it out.

Perhaps a link to the source would be in order (4, Informative)

Call Me Black Cloud (616282) | about 11 years ago | (#5625959)


Here's the announcement [xboxhacker.net] in a forum...

Re:Perhaps a link to Ninnle would be in order (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5626060)

Could you imagine a Soviet Beowulf cluster of these, all running Ninnle Linux? Truly a Ninnle icon!

Re:Perhaps a link to Ninnle would be in order (1)

yerricde (125198) | about 11 years ago | (#5626219)

I couldn't find any references to Ninnle Linux anywhere but Slashdot. URL?

Re:Perhaps a link to Ninnle would be in order (1)

Dave2 Wickham (600202) | about 11 years ago | (#5626291)

I'm guessing that it's just a "troll" (in quotes, as it isn't really a troll...). I've seen these a few times before they get modded down *shrug*.

Re:Perhaps a link to the source would be in order (5, Insightful)

Nogami_Saeko (466595) | about 11 years ago | (#5626088)

Lol... That forum is a good read...

About 50 posts of "He's full of crap, there's no way he could make that work, there are dozens of people working on this smarter than he is".

Followed by "Holy crap, it DOES work".

Oddly enough, few of the original posters put up retractions or apoligies for their initial flaming.

Figures... Everyone is "uber-l33t" and quick to jump on a new poster, but few are man enough to stand up and offer apologies when they're forced to eat their words.

Re:Perhaps a link to the source would be in order (3, Funny)

arvindn (542080) | about 11 years ago | (#5626099)


I had a look through the comments attached to the announcement in your link. I'll happily point out that forum to anyone who thinks slashdot is the place with the least signal-to-noise ratio on the 'net ;-)

Thats a lot of money they have won (2, Interesting)

watzinaneihm (627119) | about 11 years ago | (#5625962)

http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/03/01/04 /1522202.shtml?tid=156
Looks like they are getting a lot of money .....
And no breaking the RSA too...

first post (-1, Offtopic)

ducker (450266) | about 11 years ago | (#5625965)

Do i get bonus points for having useful information in my post as well as being first.

Sounds like a DMCA violation (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5625969)

Wait until they hear from EA & MS's lawyers.

Re:Sounds like a DMCA violation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5626134)

I fail to see how this manipulation is a circumvention of a copyright protection, and how it violates older copyright laws as well. I mean, we'd know it already if running Linux was a crime or an offense.

Re:Sounds like a DMCA violation (4, Insightful)

ReconRich (64368) | about 11 years ago | (#5626162)

Only if someone provides a "tool" for circumventing a copy protection device. In this case, no tool is being distributed (written instructions are NOT a tool, unless executable by a machine.) It is not prohibited to ACTUALLY circumvent copy protection devices (of course, unlicensed copying of copyrighted material is), just to provide the tools. I don't see the DMCA applying here, at all. Furthermore, an X-Box is largely like a Ramones CD; I can hit it with a hammer, let my neighbor borrow it, sell it on EBay, rip tracks (or chips) out of it (for my own use); Its only when I copy the music/software out of it and the distribute it that anybody has issues with it. And that's regular copyright law, not the DMCA.

-- Rich

Re:Sounds like a DMCA violation (1)

Jezza (39441) | about 11 years ago | (#5626251)

I imagine MS will be calling EA to get this game "fixed" to stop this from happening - it'll be interesting to see if EA "fix" it really quickly or drag their feet (after all, won't they sell a few copies of this now?)

This sounds pretty damn spiffy to me, I like the idea of using an XBox to run Linux software - and I don't see doing this can be seen as breaking any laws. I mean, you'd not be pirating anything, or modifying anything it HAS to be in the clear - right?

Okay and now on to some important things.. (0, Troll)

1stflight (48795) | about 11 years ago | (#5625970)

Sorry all, although this is a great showing of skill, Linux's battlefield isn't the XBox, it's the Desktop. IMHO we would be better served to pour those energies into making a Desktop/Gaming/Application worthy OS.

Work on Transgaming, work on a driver interface that doesn't require a kernel rebuild each time you need to update your NIC, work on user experience, maybe you've noticed but we've got a lot of dumb users out there, and a Windows -> Migration path would be excellent. Hell, and NT server -> Linux migration path would be excellent too.

Sorry if this is too much of a rant, and my hat really is off the enginuity of the XBox-Linux developers, but I wholly feel it's a bit misplaced. *clink, clink*

Re:Okay and now on to some important things.. (2, Insightful)

watzinaneihm (627119) | about 11 years ago | (#5625982)

No not really, all this means is that Linux gets a cheap, subsidised my MS platform to run on.
Should see the game being pulled out of the market soon, making XBox hacking illegal again

Re:Okay and now on to some important things.. (1)

devilspgd (652955) | about 11 years ago | (#5626152)

I'm tempted to buy an XBox or two now just to cost Microsoft some money, set it up as a server monitoring console in my living room or something similar since I don't game.

Re:Okay and now on to some important things.. (1)

drzhivago (310144) | about 11 years ago | (#5626433)

Yes, because you are paying them $200 for a console that cost maybe $400. So they end up losing $200 per console rather than $400 from you not buying it.

Re:Okay and now on to some important things.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5625983)

If you feel like this why don't you do something? No one else has any obligation to do anything.

WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU? (0)

YOU ARE SO FIRED! (635925) | about 11 years ago | (#5626001)

It is too much of a rant. Doing some trickery with a 007 game and an Xbox to get Linux running on it is not grounds to talk about getting Linux on the desktop or an NT to Linux migration path. -1, off-fucking-topic *and* you're fired. Tough day for you, but at least I get to sleep with Shirley from accounting tonight. Yowza.

Also, please apply the usual 'people-who-work-on-software-for-free-don't-do-you r-bidding' rant to the end of this text on your way out the door. Thanks.

Re:Okay and now on to some important things.. (4, Insightful)

vidnet (580068) | about 11 years ago | (#5626002)

Linux's battlefield isn't the XBox

It's not a war. This project is just a good show of hacking spirit. Remember that this is how Linux got started in the first place.

Re:Okay and now on to some important things.. (3, Insightful)

mcgroarty (633843) | about 11 years ago | (#5626008)

Sorry all, although this is a great showing of skill, Linux's battlefield isn't the XBox, it's the Desktop. IMHO we would be better served to pour those energies into making a Desktop/Gaming/Application worthy OS.

The analogy I heard was that of being invited to a free dinner at someone's house and ending up demanding to supervise the cooking.

Re:Okay and now on to some important things.. (1)

Hobbex (41473) | about 11 years ago | (#5626272)

The analogy I heard was that of being invited to a free dinner at someone's house and ending up demanding to supervise the cooking.

No, it is like buying food, taking it home, and then demanding to get to decide yourself how you are going to cook it.

Sounds pretty fair to me, but then my "you are a consumer not an individual" re-education is not completed yet...

Re:Okay and now on to some important things.. (1)

stubear (130454) | about 11 years ago | (#5626412)

Wrong. The XBOX would be more like a cooked dinner from Boston Market. The analogy would go more like you taking home your dinner from Boston Market and being pissed off that you can;t cook the chicken a different way. If you didn't want roasted chicken then you should have either not gone to Boston Market or you should have gone to your local grocery store and purchased raw chicken from them and cooked it the way you like.

Re:Okay and now on to some important things.. (4, Insightful)

Omkar (618823) | about 11 years ago | (#5626010)

1. Linux needs to be ubiquitous. Non-PC is not yet dominated by Windows, so if Linux gets established there, it could gradually take over the rest of the market. 2. MS loses money with each Xbox. If you could run Linux on a cheap, subsidized machine and create a Beowulf cluster (!) or something, then you're using your enemy to prosper -> good. 3. It's a hack. This is how Linux was created!

Re:Okay and now on to some important things.. (4, Interesting)

timmyf2371 (586051) | about 11 years ago | (#5626017)

Granted, the XBox doesn't make a great PC - it's fairly rigid in terms of hardware, with exception of the very important upgradable hard drive.

With a Linux-based OS running on XBox, you have a machine capable of playing some great games, with a bit of work a PVR using Myth TV [mythtv.com], and also a general entertainment center capable of playing music, DVDs, and the like - all in a box specifically designed for the TV room instead of a beige box.

I'm pretty sure this is also Microsoft's vision, however making it Linux-based would give us the choice of operating system and the choice between paying .Net (or whatever they call it these days) subscriptions and paying a one-time fee (or not) for the brains of the system.

Tim

Re:Okay and now on to some important things.. (3, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | about 11 years ago | (#5626019)

You are thinking like a buisness. Linux is not one buisness they are a comunity so there will be a very wide range of focuses for using Linux. And as with this comunity not everybody agrees that Linux needs to be on the desktop. I personally beleave the quest for the desktop is basicly a useless endever because in my mind the desktop is a dieing computer platform. And it is moving more towards Imbedded devices that have special tasks (Like the XBox, Playstation, PDAs, Server Apliances). This is an important task just as important as Linux on the Desktop. By making Linux kernel as much of a general porpose tools as possible helps it gain grounds on many new technoligies. Things like this is the reason why Linux is more popular then *BSD.

Re:Okay and now on to some important things.. (1)

ThogScully (589935) | about 11 years ago | (#5626044)

... work on a driver interface that doesn't require a kernel rebuild each time you need to update your NIC...

Aren't modules pretty much the solution here? -N

Re:Okay and now on to some important things.. (1)

r00zky (622648) | about 11 years ago | (#5626350)

Yea, just compile all modules just in case you will need one of 'em, this is what is done in distributions...

offtopic:
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: ...
Those who understand binary and those who think there are 1010 kinds. :)

Re:Okay and now on to some important things.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5626117)

Hacking the X-Box is just another futile attempt by Linux hackers to pretend they have a chance at winning a war they lost years ago.

It's just sheer stupidity, much like Palestinians not knowing when to give up and sending their young on suicide bombing attacks.

Re:Okay and now on to some important things.. (4, Insightful)

lpontiac (173839) | about 11 years ago | (#5626239)

Work on Transgaming, work on a driver interface that doesn't require a kernel rebuild each time you need to update your NIC, work on user experience,

I'll work on whatever I bloody well want to, and so will everyone else.

Re:Okay and now on to some important things.. (1)

hthiefshorty (597657) | about 11 years ago | (#5626405)

maybe you've noticed but we've got a lot of dumb users out there

This is the kind of elitist crap that is going to keep Linux off most people's desktop. Maybe you should work on falling off your high horse.

Theres no fricking way (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5625972)

Im buying an EA game, even if it does cure cancer.

Re:Theres no fricking way (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5626055)

It's in the game.

And still... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5625975)

...I like real video game consoles better. Why should I buy that XBox? It is just another pathetic attempt by Microsoft to gain a monopoly in a promising market. But with time ppl will understand and another M$ INVENTION will be gone like so many before.

And why bothering getting things to work w/o modchip? Is there any XBox which doesn't have one, yet? Are un-modded Xbox are still available?

Knowing Microsoft's history (5, Funny)

niom (638987) | about 11 years ago | (#5625977)

you'd think they had already created every type of bug. Well, in colaboration with EA they've just developed a new type of bug: THE USEFUL BUG. Now where are all those bashers that say that Microsoft never invented anything new?

Re:Knowing Microsoft's history (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5625985)

It's not a bug, it's a feature!

Action replay? (1)

October_30th (531777) | about 11 years ago | (#5625979)

datel's action replay

You mean they are still in business? I can remember having an action replay cartridge for my C64...

Re:Action replay? (1)

An Ominous Cow Erred (28892) | about 11 years ago | (#5626142)


You mean they are still in business? I can remember having an action replay cartridge for my C64...

Uh yeah, you know that thing called a "Gameshark" in the U.S.? That's an Action Replay, made by Datel, then resold by Interact who licensed it from Datel and gave it a silly name.

Recently Datel decided to terminate Interact's contract and do direct sales in the U.S. market, so it looks like the Action Replay is now being sold under that name again over here.

In the rest of the world it's always been a Datel "Action Replay".

Personally I was getting tired of Interact acting like they'd invented the thing.

Very nice indeed (4, Insightful)

Crashmarik (635988) | about 11 years ago | (#5625990)

Its a real victory for everyone who feels that when you pay for something you own it, it doesn't own you.

Re:Very nice indeed (1)

Trashman (3003) | about 11 years ago | (#5626082)

You know, I'm really disgusted at this trend. If buy something, I own own it. It's mine to do with as I please. If I want to take it apart (yes, I know it will void my warranty) and put it back together again, it's nothing that the manufacturer should care about. (except in a situation where taking it apart will cause me/others harm.)

Sweet! (3, Funny)

xintegerx (557455) | about 11 years ago | (#5625993)

Great news! This puts us that much closer to being able to run Linux on anything such as a PC! Oh, wait...

modchip easier? (5, Interesting)

ironfroggy (262096) | about 11 years ago | (#5626020)

And illegal. Don't be stupid, taco. The whole point of the non-mod xbox linux is that any other way is illegal in many places.

Re:modchip easier? (2, Interesting)

FooBarWidget (556006) | about 11 years ago | (#5626111)

Isn't using a buffer overflow like this violating the DMCA or whatever?

Re:modchip easier? (1)

Angry White Guy (521337) | about 11 years ago | (#5626149)

They should have introduced palladium on this. That would have stopped the Buffer Overflow, and protected them from viruses!

Re:modchip easier? (2, Interesting)

squiggleslash (241428) | about 11 years ago | (#5626332)

Amusingly, the X-Box security system is considered in some circles to be the "prototype" for Palladium.

I wonder if this hack has more interesting repurcussions than immediately appear?

Re:modchip easier? (1)

ReconRich (64368) | about 11 years ago | (#5626188)

Isn't using a buffer overflow like this violating the DMCA

Absolutely not. Hacking your own machine isn't illegal (yet). And so long as you are not distributing a tool to circumvent a copy protection mechanism, you're not violating (that part) of the DMCA (Instructions are NOT a tool). And as long as no illegal copying of copyrighted material is happening, then you're not violating "traditional" copyright law. IANAL, but I don't see any violation here.

--- Rich

Re:modchip easier? (4, Interesting)

LordKronos (470910) | about 11 years ago | (#5626221)

OK. So it needs a memory card that can connect to USB. This isn't a standard item. So instead of the modchip being the circumvention device, the USB memory card becomes one. Distributing the USB memory cards is now in violation of the DMCA.

Of course, these memory cards seem more legit. They were created for a totally different purpose (supposedly, so are modchips, but the courts see through that argument). Perhaps these would at least stand a chance of being found legal. Then again, given how backwards this whole issue is in regards to the DMCA, I won't hold my breath.

Re:modchip easier? (1)

vadim_t (324782) | about 11 years ago | (#5626313)

Eh? How is that going to be illegal?

What, you've never heard of USB drives [ymcorp.co.kr]? Guess what, it's a memory card with an USB connector.

Re:modchip easier? (1)

LordKronos (470910) | about 11 years ago | (#5626230)

Also, don't forget that with a modchip you can't play on XBox Live. With this method, you don't have to worry about that.

April Fools? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5626026)

Timing seems right for an April Fools joke...

Re:April Fools? (1)

devilspgd (652955) | about 11 years ago | (#5626145)

Yeah... Except that it's not April fools day yet, not here, or anywhere else in the world. *shrugs*

i'm dissapointed (4, Insightful)

Neophytus (642863) | about 11 years ago | (#5626027)

Having a read through the thread [xboxhacker.net] it was first doubted because he was a first time poster/newbie. They said he couldn't have because
The Xbox-linux team are the most experienced and talented hacking team there is, and know more about the Xbox than everyone else, if there was such an easy hack they would have discovered it.
I hope that he successfully claims his $100k, even if he didnt start the work.

Re:i'm dissapointed (4, Insightful)

pla (258480) | about 11 years ago | (#5626204)

I hope that he successfully claims his $100k, even if he didnt start the work.

Dissapointed? Why? Good for him! (Unless you meant "dissapointed in their closed mindedness", in which case I agree).

When the Xbox-linux team, or CERT, or the FBI, or "Scientists" in general, or *any* group stops listening to outside input because they "know it all" and can do it "better than anyone else", their end has drawn near.

I just find the quote you gave from the Xbox-linux list SOOOOOO offensive, and REALLY hope they fully appreciate the irony of this exploit coming from a newbie.

Not to say I don't appreciate their work, but puh-lease... Suck it up and get some humility. When a group reaches the point that someone has to repeatedly whack them on their collective foreheads with a working demo to get them to even take a look, that group needs to pack it up and let others with a fresh perspective take over. End of story.

Technical details (1)

CausticWindow (632215) | about 11 years ago | (#5626033)

Can't find any details of how this is done anywhere. The trick is of course to get some already signed code (which will boot) to run your code.

Are you able to save and load games from a memorystick? Then it should be easy to exchange a savegame with one that will cause a buffer overflow. How you would discover that this exact game were exploitable is beyond me.

It's slashdotted. (0, Informative)

anonymous coword (615639) | about 11 years ago | (#5626036)

Here is the article text (don't forget to remove the spaces from the uuencoded file)
Subject : Project B Solved !
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I'm happy to present the first solution found for the Xbox Linux Project B:
Here is a way to run Xbox Linux on an unmodded, unopened Xbox !
Inlcuded is a uuencoded zip file containing all the necessary files. Here is
what you need:
- - You need an unmodded XBOX (not sure it works with modded bios)
- - You need the game 007 Agent Under Fire (*NOT* NIGHTFIRE, those are two
different games!)
- - You need a way to transfer a save to a memory card (that is, xbox-save.com's
hardware, or usb<>xbox cable + usb stick + xbox-save software, or you can
use a standard memory card too if you can put files on it (with EvoX for
instance).
- - You need to get the "Xbox Linux Live" small distro.
Got all this? Let's party!
- - Unzip 007linux.zip
- - Extract the Xbox Linux Live ISO with a STANDARD ISO extractor (ie WinISO)
- - Copy the Xbox Linux Live files into the UDATA41000d<!--POST BOX-->00000000000\
directory (including "boot" subdirectory) (don't copy the file "plugin.img"
or it won't fit on a standard memory card).
- - Now, replace the first 0x380 bytes of the default.xbe with the 0x380 bytes
contained in the "default.patch" from the included zip file
- - Copy the whole 4541000d directory to your memory card (starting from 4541000d,
not UDATA. UDATA directory is here so it works with xbox-save.com's software)
- - Use the Xbox Dashboard to copy the 007 save from the memorycard to the HD
- - Run 007 on the Xbox
- - In main menu choose "Load Mission", then "Xbox Hard Disk"
- - Et Voila ;-) If things went well you should get a Black Screen, and Xbox LED
turning to orange (this is done when linux kernel is loaded), and after a
couple of seconds you should heard the Xbox Live Linux "loading sounds"
Just take this as a "proof of concept", there won't be anything on screen
because video has to be initialised in Linux like it is in Xromwell, but as
there is no "official version" of Xromwell I found, I prefer to use Xbox
Linux Live as example as everybody can find it.
Basically there is a bug in the save handling, which has been found in several
games, I just took 007 because only one save is needed for both US and PAL
game version - for other games you usually need two (or even more).
More explanations on how it works, how to make other linux distro work
and GPL sourcecode will follow!
I'm already anticipating some questions:
Q: Will it run my backup games without a modchip ?
A: No, it won't. This trick works for running Xbox Linux ONLY.
Q: Is it real?
A: YES.
Q: What if MS removes 007 Agent Under Fire from the shelves now ?
A: 007 Agent Under Fire is just one of the several games with this bug, so
don't worry :-)
Enjoy!
Will.
Use uudecode to extract the following file,

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ICAgICAgICAg ZyAgCm8gLyAgICAgXCAgICAgICAgICAgICBcICAgICAgICAg
ICAgLyAgICBcICAgICAgIG8gIAphfCAgICAgICB8ICAgICAgIC AgICAgIFwg
ICAgICAgICAgfCAgICAgIHwgICAgICBhICAKdH wgICAgICAgYC4gICAgICAg
ICAgICAgfCAgICAgICAgIHwgIC AgICAgOiAgICAgdCAgCnNgICAgICAgICB8
ICAgICAgICAgIC AgIHwgICAgICAgIFx8ICAgICAgIHwgICAgIHMgIAplIFwg
IC AgICAgfCAvICAgICAgIC8gIFxcXCAgIC0tX18gXFwgICAgICAg OiAgICBl
ICAKeCAgXCAgICAgIFwvICAgXy0tfn4gICAgICAg ICAgfi0tX198IFwgICAg
IHwgICAgeCAgCiogICBcICAgICAg XF8tfiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg
fi1fXCAgICB8ICAg ICogIApnICAgIFxfICAgICBcICAgICAgICBfLi0tLS0t
LS0t Ll9fX19fX1x8ICAgfCAgICBnICAKbyAgICAgIFwgICAgIFxfX1 9fX18v
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Uses for a linux-xbox? (1)

smartin (942) | about 11 years ago | (#5626041)

As the price of the xbox drops, i've been wondering what sort of uses a moded version running linux would could be used for. The only thing i can currently think of is as an mp3 player attached to my stereo, my figuring being that the xbox should have decent sound capabilty and an ethernet connection. The down side is that it has no form of UI so it would have to be controlled via the net, probably by a brower. Can anyone else suggest some practical uses for a linux-xbox?

Re:Uses for a linux-xbox? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5626103)

See avi, mpegs, jpg, divx, and the lots of other formats that mplayer reads.
Listen to mp3.
Low cost/small space web server, ftp server, whatever server.
And the other lots of things you can do with linux on a PC.

Re:Uses for a linux-xbox? (1)

jcoy42 (412359) | about 11 years ago | (#5626212)

Well, since it's linux, you could write a UI. There are pleanty available. Just have to write the IO portion to use the controller.

My other thought is it could be used for a music video jukebox as well, and it could play movies.

It might be time to go pick one up.

Re:Uses for a linux-xbox? (1)

smartin (942) | about 11 years ago | (#5626233)

yes, what i mean was that there is no display. I guess one could be rigged up with with a small lcd panel of some form and a remote to control it.

Re:Uses for a linux-xbox? (1)

jcoy42 (412359) | about 11 years ago | (#5626331)

Why no display? Doesn't the Xbox usually hook up to your TV? The drivers would all be there. Don't you have a TV near your stereo?

Re:Uses for a linux-xbox? (2, Interesting)

flymolo (28723) | about 11 years ago | (#5626451)

Makes a pretty cool emulator box. All the emulators coded for x86 linux. Lots of the emulators use x86 assembly for speed so you can't run them in ps2 linux without porting, but on xbox you can. With nice controllers, (yes I know xbox default controllers aren't nice) you have a mame/snes/etc box reasonably cheap. Much better than putting a PC in your living room, and building decent controllers, and finding graphics cards with good tv out quality under linux.

Best exploit ever (3, Funny)

worst_name_ever (633374) | about 11 years ago | (#5626045)

I must say that this must be the best buffer overrun exploit I've ever heard of. I mean, usually tricks like that are used to add evil things to your system, not remove them. ;)

The revenge of the marketing department (1)

E/\/\P (175235) | about 11 years ago | (#5626054)

This time everyone will agree when they announce that this bug should be thought of a feature.

er ... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5626057)

so?
if I want linux, I run it on the computer i'm running it on now.
I really don't see the point.

Hmm... (1)

Squidgee (565373) | about 11 years ago | (#5626087)

I'm guessing the "exploit" (Or creative hack, as the case may be) is making use of bootable memory-card saves, which seems a dumb thing to do in the first place, but eh, better for us.

What I'm wondering is how exactly it works? I'm sure the bootable save is probably altered to boot linux as opposed to the game, but how'd they do it?

Anyone have any _solid_ info?

Re:Hmm... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5626153)

im no expert or anything so im just going to shoot in the dark. they modify a save game and when the game starts to load the savegame there is a bufferoverflow. then they know where the programmpointer is and they load some bootloader code in that memmory area.

Modchip cheaper than the game, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5626115)

It would be much better if they found a magazine coverdisk to exploit. If EA's unintentional bug isn't against some rule it could be used to sell at least one magazine per X-box converted to linux...

Re:Modchip cheaper than the game, (1)

Angry White Guy (521337) | about 11 years ago | (#5626169)

This may only work with one specific game, but the hackers may be able to extract important info from this, or be able to do the same thing with other games. A console on an unmodded xbox is a good thing, and may lead to a great thing. Who knows what info they'll be able to get from the box now.

Re:Modchip cheaper than the game, (1)

Dawn Falcon (581566) | about 11 years ago | (#5626340)

Very similar "flaws" exist in a lot of games. From talking to a friend apparently many of the flaws are in EA games, but not all.

i.e. This isn't a genie which can be put back in the bottle.

easier than micro-soldering? (3, Funny)

j3110 (193209) | about 11 years ago | (#5626199)

Me thinks Cmdr-Taco has never tried to solder wires onto surface mount components with carpel tunnel or a triple latte without a good iron, magnifing glass, camera and robotic arms.

It isn't easy... just hope those components are caps or resistors that aren't important. I would much rather use software than hardware... Now if only we could crack a key?

FBI comes after modchip buyers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5626271)

I prefer using the CD only system... ..mostly cause the Gestapo won't come after me for ordering a microchip.

Standard Xbox Troll (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5626336)

Buy teh Xbox!

Micro$oft loooses money on every unit!

If every one buys an Xbox, Micro$oft with go out of business! M$ is teh sux0r!

Why? (0, Redundant)

axxackall (579006) | about 11 years ago | (#5626342)

Can someone explain to me, why would I buy Xbox and install Linux on it?

Is it a cheaper way to have a better Linux-driven PC at home? How much cheaper? Or how exactly better?

Is there any functionality I need for my personal Linux box that I can find in Xbox hardware, but not in any commoditiy PC? If so, does that xbox-specific functionality has a driver? If so, are there any Linux applications supporting it?

I know why Linux came from the first place, why it came popular in the server room, and why it's getting more and more popular on home and corporate desktops. I even know why Linux on IBM mainframe, RISC-based server and workstations, as well as many embedded devices. It saves money, it brings features. But all that is supported by applications. Are there any xbox-specific Linux applications?

So, why? Why anyone (besides xbox hackers) need Linux on Xbox?

----- Right tool for the right job. But not vice versa.

Why is this so interesting? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5626351)

You know, we've always been able to run linux on a game console. It's called the PS2 Linux Kit. Is it not cool enough for you that it's not some backwards hack? I find it very interesting that the XBox community is so huge and diverse yet the PS2 community is composed of a very small group of serious individuals (mostly people who really want to make games bad).

Think if we had half of those people reinventing the wheel on Xbox hammering away at the PS2 instead.

I guess I should take comfort in knowing I don't have to deal with 1337 h4>0rs and their demands for inane software. The Xbox "hacker" community is all about piracy afterall.

Re:Why is this so interesting? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5626359)

Yeah, I know I'm biting on a troll, but the PS2 Linux does not allow full access to the hardware and is crippled in other ways. Besides, Sony is a GPL violator and a member of the RIAA. Not interested in their products.

Figures... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5626435)

And to think...I bought my copy for GC....::slap::

Hm... nice... (1)

miketang16 (585602) | about 11 years ago | (#5626446)

I was pretty skeptical at first, considering when I first saw the forum post, there was only like 6 replies, and all were negative. But, apparently it's real. Overall tho, it may be a cool trick, but it's not going to eclipse the major uses of modchips. Backups, flashing BIOS, addon BIOS, etc..
/me surfs on over to ebay and orders up a $100 xbox =)
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