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Microsoft Wants to Take on Google

chrisd posted more than 11 years ago | from the looksmart-worries dept.

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blenderking writes "We do view Google more and more as a competitor. We believe that we can provide consumers with a better product and a better user experience. That's something that we're actively looking at doing,", says Bob Visse, director of marketing for Microsoft's MSN Internet services division, said. Full article at: Yahoo. This could have fit in with yesterday's April Fool's stories..."

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1073 comments

I AGREE WITH THIS POST (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649219)

No you got it all wrong.... (5, Funny)

i_want_you_to_throw_ (559379) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649225)

Google isn't competition for Microsoft. Google is a quality product that actually works. Totally different than anything Microsoft puts out.

Re:No you got it all wrong.... (5, Insightful)

Mmmrky (607987) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649262)

Exactly. Anything Microsoft puts out to compete is going to be so full of bloat that it will be a complete hastle to use. Why is Google so popular? Two words: simplicity and power.

Google takes no time at all to load over a 56k modem, unlike most search engines, and makes searching incredibly simple.

Microsoft has no chance.

Re:No you got it all wrong.... (0)

Kortec (449574) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649317)

Hear hear. Not seeming to go with the /. flow, although I uasualy do, M$ has no chance in this 'endevor'. Their programs, as a rule, are shoddily made, poorly thought out and generaly slow, bloated and ineffective. Not a chance they could take over that so pure as Google and do a better job, they might take it over any way, but user numbers will hit 0 - 10 a day with in 4 hours. And eventually Google will be back. Long live google!

Re:No you got it all wrong.... (5, Insightful)

Clockwurk (577966) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649324)

Google is successful because it yields accurate and pertinant results, not because it loads fast on 56K. Google also is successful because it doesn't have pay-for-placement results. Google has some ads (unobtrusive at that), but if MS was running a search engine, they can afford to have no paid links, and no annoying ads.

Re:No you got it all wrong.... (5, Insightful)

thumperward (553422) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649405)

I think you meant not just because it loads fast on a 56K. The mere thought of using another search engine while on dial-up chills my blood. I'd wager that a fair few Googlers out there use it primarily because it takes zero seconds to finish loading.

- Chris

Re:No you got it all wrong.... (0, Troll)

phucker (663445) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649360)

and not a lot of fluff. which is why they are so good [cheats4us.org] .

Re:No you got it all wrong.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649397)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

uh, yeah. microsoft wants to take on google. and in their datacenter . . . they'll be using windows? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Re:No you got it all wrong.... (-1, Flamebait)

GoatPigSheep (525460) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649399)

yeah, I guesse that would explain why microsoft has 90% of the desktop market... because their products don't work. That would explain why most businesses use MS software for workstations and why most schools use ms software on their computers, cause it doesn't work.

Or maybe you just enjoy spreading FUD?

I use ms software daily... I do serious multimedia work in windows xp, I can't remember the last time I had a crash on my system... But when I use mac OS 9 on my g4 I have software crashing left and right... So what doesn't work here?

Microsoft will win (5, Insightful)

Trillan (597339) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649402)

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Microsoft deserves to, but there's only so much you can do to hold off the 600 lb gorilla that controls the OS and browser used by 95% of PC owners.

Every member of my extended family already uses MSN search just because Internet Explorer defaults to it... and they are Mac users!

Microsoft could produce manure in paper bags and people would eat it as long as it was bundled.

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649226)

FP!

2 Shots of Vapor, One Shot of ... (5, Insightful)

Ken@WearableTech (107340) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649228)

If MSN want's a better search engine then Google then just make it and let the users judge it. Viewing Google as a competitor from the consumer viewpoint is a mistake. Google is a streamlined efficient search engine while MSN is a hodgepodge of Internet services for the masses.

Maybe Microsoft is disappointed that google will not have an IPO anytime soon [slashdot.org] , reducing possibility to easily buy Google and plug it into MSN.

If Microsoft wants to ensure their long term future they need to improve the server OS's and innovate in client software, not worry about being everything to everyone.

Re:2 Shots of Vapor, One Shot of ... (1)

moonboy (2512) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649390)



"...reducing possibility to easily buy Google and plug it into MSN."

Yeah, I'd just love to see MS buy Google and try to migrate all of their Linux-based crawling clusters over to Windows 2000-03 Server.

Re:2 Shots of Vapor, One Shot of ... (5, Interesting)

critter_hunter (568942) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649393)

But they don't need a better search engine to beat Google. They just need to neatly integrate their SE into Windows XP2 or whatever, really push it on sites such as Hotmail and MSN and other high-visibility sites, things like that. They are Microsoft, they don't need to have the better product to beat the competition.

In fact, I think their history shows that it is in fact the other way around - MS managed to get the upper hand many times with an inferior product.

Of course, it's Google. It's got both quality and enormous brand recognition - not an easy target, not even for Microsoft

Re:2 Shots of Vapor, One Shot of ... (1)

aphor (99965) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649408)

Microsoft is making a veiled threat. Also, M&A could raise their stock price with a good purchase.

If I were Google, I would offer Microsoft a support contract and license to use the Google engine and name to promote MSN without selling them any Google IP. Google keeps the patents. I would charge Microsoft a flat royalty off the top of all new MSN revenue, including revenue from bundled products like MSWindows (TM) and MSOffice(TM). Then I would write in a clause to allow rate-review semiannually. If things went sour, another 6 months would see the sunset on the contract.

If MSN wants to compete with AOL, all they need is to buy Larry Flynt. Do they think Google will give them a Pr0n edge? The big-boards (Compuserve, Prodigy, GeNie, AOL) were aways basically supported by pr0n paid for by people who needed extra handholding that only a slick GUI that comes preinstalled on your PC. Like a new club or bar, they should cater to the women who populate the chat rooms. Free webcams, and free service if you get enough "popularity" or something...

Is Google a #1 pr0n portal? I don't understand how they can be competitors...

I'm sorry... (5, Insightful)

btlzu2 (99039) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649229)

...but can they leave ANYTHING alone? What's next? I won't be surprised if they branch out into other markets...Oh, GM is selling a lot of cars, we view them as a competitor. Sheesh.

Re:I'm sorry... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649313)

Start the onslaught of car crashing jokes...

Re:I'm sorry... (1)

Kortec (449574) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649330)

Ron'd storm-door warehouse sells a product with Windows on it with out our liscence...

This could be not bad. (2, Interesting)

mrseigen (518390) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649230)

It'll be interesting to see if Google is really evil enough to beat Microsoft. Oh, and Microsoft's search engine really sucks (at least the few times I've used it), so it'll be good to see a version that doesn't.

Re:This could be not bad. (3, Insightful)

Pyrosophy (259529) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649329)

Do you really need to be evil in order to destroy evil? Is open source evil enough to beat MS?

You obviously haven't been taking your propaganda pills lately.

Yeah, yeah, the Spaceballs quotation, but I prefer MLK:

"Darkness cannot put out darkness. Only light can do that."

My big stick isn't as big as yours (2, Insightful)

Mtn_Dewd (15169) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649231)

Corporate imperialism... ahh.. quite refreshing. I don't feel like this is a great surprise -- it seems like one of the few areas that deal with computers in any relative way that they haven't challenged for dominance yet. It was bound to happen.

Some people are never satisfied (4, Insightful)

crotherm (160925) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649232)

Granted all companines should look to grow and prosper, but what about making sure what you are already doing is ready for prime time. Microsoft as a company has a horrible case of feature creep.

Re:Some people are never satisfied (1)

Smidge204 (605297) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649378)

All they would have to do is tap into the Google APIs, route the results through their server and recompile the results to their liking!

Though you might want to watch out if the next version of Windows/IE suddently can't render Google's pages properly anymore...
=Smidge=

Take On Me (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649233)

We're talking away
I don't know what
I'm to say, I'll say it anyway
Today's another day to find you
Shying away
I'll be coming for your love, OK?

Take on me, take me on
I'll be gone
In a day or two

So needless to say
I'm odds and ends
But that's me stumbling away
Slowly learning that life is OK.
Say after me
It's no better to be safe than sorry

Take on me, take me on
I'll be gone
In a day or two

Oh the things that you say
Is it live or
Just to play my worries away
You're all the things I've got to remember
You're shying away
I'll be coming for you anyway

Take on me, take me on
I'll be gone
In a day or two

Sounds like... (1)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649238)

"shock and awe" to me.

More like... (1)

Snork Asaurus (595692) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649407)

"shuck and jive".

Article Text (so you can read it here) (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649240)

PALO ALTO, Calif., April 2 (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. the world's No. 1 software maker, on Wednesday said it is taking aim at privately held Google (News - Websites)Inc., the Web-search company that's so popular its name is used as a verb.

"We do view Google more and more as a competitor. We believe that we can provide consumers with a better product and a better user experience. That's something that we're actively looking at doing," Bob Visse, director of marketing for Microsoft's MSN Internet services division, said.

Visse said the company was making some significant investments in developing a better search engine. But the company has not offered specific plans.

Microsoft would not be the first Web portal provider to step into the Web search segment. Last month, Internet media company Yahoo Inc. closed its $235 million purchase of Internet-search company Inktomi Corp.

Microsoft has said its been searching for ways to capitalize on its various technologies, for example data retrieval and analysis, by entering new markets. It has also targeted security software.

Google, the No. 1 Web-search provider, has become so pervasive that it is not uncommon for people to refer to searching the Internet as "googling".

A Google representative could not be immediately reached for comment.

Google has been seen as a top IPO candidate despite a lagging economy, but a company co-founder recently told attendees at a high-tech conference that going public is not on the front burner for the Silicon Valley company.

Alltheweb.com (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649241)

Has anyone tried alltheweb.com? I've been using it a lot lately. I don't want there to be a monopoly in search engines, and so I welcome Microsoft's new search engine.

Re:Alltheweb.com (1)

Clockwurk (577966) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649274)

Microsoft's new search engine

I believe MS will likely make their newer better search engine integrated with IE, right now if you just enter a word in the address bar, it auto searches MSN, a search engine that could use some work. At any rate, it'll be nice to have a search engine that keeps Google honest and on it's toes.

$10 says searching for "terrorists" will yeild RMS and Linus in the top 10 results :)

BlenderKing == Microsoft? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649242)

For a second there, I thought "BlenderKing" was having delusions of grandeur, thinking he was Microsoft. It would be interesting to see how a one-man show would take on Google as a *competitor*. :-)

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Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649244)

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Simple question (1)

goon america (536413) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649245)

Simple question: How could you beat Google?

If there was an answer to that question, do we really think Microsoft could do that?

Re:Simple question (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649283)

I don't know, let's seach Google [google.com] to find out.

Re:Simple question (1)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649288)

Exactly. Type in a few words and get a million pages to look at in under a second. Beating that will take some major innovation (AI or some sort of highly intelligent ranking system), and I certainly don't pray facing Redmond when seeking devine innovation.

Re:Simple question (4, Funny)

Ken@WearableTech (107340) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649290)

Simple question: How could you beat Google?

If I knew I'd be rich.

Re:Simple question (1)

Loosewire (628916) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649373)

Hmm, well need about 100,000 laser printers, a country wide network of suction tubes and one giant spin dryer modified into a bingo machine....

Re:Simple question (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649297)

In Microsoft's case it's simple: If you can't beat them - buy them.

I think this is a precursor to a hostile takeover sometime in the future. Buy Google, integrate it into MSN and assign a low rating to anything that has the word Linux in it.

Re:Simple question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649366)

Google isn't for sale.

MSFT vs. Google marketing strat (0, Offtopic)

IgD (232964) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649250)

Microsoft could do one of several things:
1. Simply redirect google.com to microsoft.com's search tool
2. IE could pop up a dialog saying google.com was insecure and do you want to continue
3. Add Microsoft search site to IE search icon
4. Replace 404 not found with Microsoft Search site

no big suprise (1)

jlechem (613317) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649254)

This is no big suprise. MS has a big web presence with the MSN portal and if they want to expand into the search engine world Google is a competitor. Nothing strange or evil about that.

If they think they can do it better then google they should just write it and if its better people will use it.

Next up: Microsoft Battles God (2, Funny)

zhrike (448699) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649256)

"We see life as a less-than utopian user-experience. We aim to remove all question, doubt, pain, suffering, and freedom of choice from our prosepctive devotees. We feel that our God project, Diety 1.0, will present a truly enhanced
life for all, the benefits of which shall be obvious. Our product will overcome."

Re:Next up: Microsoft Battles God (1)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649302)


We aim to remove all ..... freedom of choice from our prosepctive devotees.


Hey, one out of five isn't bad for a start!!

Re:Next up: Microsoft Battles God (1)

Ken@WearableTech (107340) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649368)

I thought Microsoft was God. I know when my computer crashes and I pray that it boots and that my files are saved, I'm not pray to God. I'm praying to Microsoft because thats who is going to get my computer running, not God.

(See Malice [imdb.com] )

uh oh (2, Funny)

hhknighter (629353) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649258)

"We believe that we can provide consumers with a better product and a better user experience"

that means Microsoft will be making plans to buy google.

other than that, no, they really can't

Re:uh oh (1)

hobbesmaster (592205) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649281)

Google is privately owned, no matter how much MS wants to buy it, they really can't.

Next thing we know MS will look into buying /. and thinkgeek and any number of anti-M$ websites out there that actually provide a useful service...

Re:uh oh (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649304)

  1. Think geek isn't useful
  2. MS is already one of the top 3 slashdot advertisers (intel and Sourceforge) being the other two
  3. VA Linux will most likely go out of business within a year without MS intervention.

Re:uh oh (1)

hhknighter (629353) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649358)

How about future versions of windows will parse google site wrong..........that would be interesting.

From time to time, IE on my computer (company owned, hence I have no admin access to install Netscape) will parse google wrong. THe page will just show up as half a G (from google's logo). Sometimes the tope half, sometimes the right half, but you get the picture. That's the ONLY thing it shows, no search form/buttons.

Although I can hardly blame Microsoft (hardly, doesn't mean I didn't) when I managed to get Netscape 7, which did do the same thing, but at a very low rate.

"user types in www.google.com on IE, and a bsod pops up: The website you have tried to enter, has not been monopolized, please try again later."

Quick Question (2, Interesting)

omnipotens (567130) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649259)

Is there ANY record of a microsoft server project being used on this large a scale? I know that hotmail is now being served with MS software, but I also know that the MS server products that are being used to run it aren't doing half the job that BSD did. So, basically, is there anyone out there who can tell me whehter this is possible without a special OS, et cetera set up to do this job? (it's a pretty bold claim, I'm interested in it in a could this really happen sort of way.)

And imagine the possibilities... (1)

alispguru (72689) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649385)

If MS built a Google-scale site using their security-challenged tools, it would be the biggest target for crackers on the net. Also, given their record for keeping their own servers patched (remember Slammer [slashdot.org] ?), it would probably get raped about once a week.

The resulting flood of data as MS-Google tried to infect the rest of the net would be a marvel to behold, at least until all the outgoing connections melted...

Re:Quick Question (1)

El Cubano (631386) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649400)

... I also know that the MS server products that are being used to run it aren't doing half the job that BSD did.

That explains why my hotmail account seems to be about half as fast now. Even when I check from the network at school (avg. ftp download from a fast server ~500kB/s), the latency is just horrible.

Oh well, I only use hotmail to subscribe to the Debian mailing lists 8-). Here's to you MS...

a little too late (5, Insightful)

v_1_r_u_5 (462399) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649260)

Google is already so powerful and so popular that it's already a verb in most people's vocabulary. It is unlikely that Microsoft would be able to overcome this popularity so late in the game, especially since Google is totally platform independent.

Re:a little too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649347)

Microsoft is already so powerful and so unpopular that it's already an adjective in most people's vocabulary. It is unlikely that Google would be able to gain this unpopularity so late in the game, especially since Microsoft platforms are totally suck.

MSN Competition? (1)

shibbydude (622591) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649263)

Who actually uses MSN? I know that it is the default homepage and quite a few non-techs never change that. How many of thier hits does that account for? It must be a lot, because MSN is no competitor for google. They must be getting a false reading.

I'm still wondering... (1)

Trogre (513942) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649264)

... if anyone has a copy of the early revision (1996) of Bill Gates' The Road Ahead propaganda.

The one where he dismisses that Internet thing as a passing fad.

Re:I'm still wondering... (1)

Loosewire (628916) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649337)

Hey now come on, everyone speculates and this time he just got it wrong ... *Smirk*, *falls off chair* *Rolls around on floor laughing* PASSING FAD haha

Linux envy? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649269)

Maybe Microsoft is lumping Google into the category of "all things Linux" that they feel they must compete against.

But seeing how MSN has been losing money forever, and Google seems to be doing just fine, how does MS intend to provide better features and a better user experience? Maybe they'll force everyone to access their search engine through Internet Explorer, watch pop-up ads AND pay a monthly fee for using these exciting new "web services" brought to you by .Net?

This is what you get when a plumber falls asleep -- pipe dreams. :-)

Google couldn't comment (0, Redundant)

zhrike (448699) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649270)

"A Google representative could not be immediately reached for comment."

Surely due to the gales of laughter reverberating in Google-land.

"Microsoft?! Offer a better product?!"

the race is on (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649271)

And the race is on, who can bring me the most free pron on the net

Perhaps too obvious, but (4, Insightful)

HisMother (413313) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649272)

The great thing about Google is that by and large, they're not selling anything except search technology. They've got ads, but they're always clearly marked as such, and they're easy to ignore. As a result, when you search for something on Google, barring the odd restriction on Nazi paraphernalia and Scientology, you feel that you're getting the straight dope. For technical information, this is certainly true.

In contrast, Microsoft is selling a world view -- theirs. I can't even imagine searching for gcc, or Java, or "Linus Torvalds" on Microogle and expecting to get useful information. You don't ask a plumber if your pipes need fixing.

Re:Perhaps too obvious, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649349)

That analogy doesn't fit exactly. It's more like asking a prospector where the good gold fields are.

Re:Perhaps too obvious, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649391)

yea google's ads are done in a way that pisses me off the least.

so much so, that i've actually found myself USING the ads.

when looking for CDRs, I typed in a few key words, and like magic several vendors showed up on the right side. Used the groups to do some spot checking.

Re:Perhaps too obvious, but (1)

SensitiveMale (155605) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649396)

You don't ask a plumber if your pipes need fixing.

You should ask a urologist.

Definition of better (4, Insightful)

deepchasm (522082) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649273)

Visse said the company was making some significant investments in developing a better search engine. But the company has not offered specific plans.

From past experience Microsoft's idea of better is more packed with features. I use Google because it is fast, efficient, and has unobtrusive advertising. Can you honestly see Microsoft competing on those terms?

A Report that Microsoft will buy Google (1)

Aron S-T (3012) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649275)

On PBS' Nightly Business Report this story was reported as Microsoft is looking into *buying* Google. Now that's a scary thought.

Re:A Report that Microsoft will buy Google (1)

The Ape With No Name (213531) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649380)

Can't find that on the website. Linkage?

if microsoft buys google... (5, Insightful)

PHAEDRU5 (213667) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649278)

...then it'll finally own the only decent way to navigate microsoft's own website

Dies... (4, Funny)

1stflight (48795) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649279)

I think I just died of laughter.... what are they going to run their search engine on? MSSQL ?!!!!

I'll give you user experience. (3, Insightful)

jspoon (585173) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649280)

I don't want a ****ing 'user experience' out of my search engine. I want a page that loads fast and gives me the answers I'm looking for.

Re:I'll give you user experience. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649403)

Sounds like a user experience to me. You're just confused because as a Linux user, you're trained to hate anything that involves the word "user." It's understandable.

Capitalism at it's best (3, Insightful)

abcxyz (142455) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649294)

I think that historically, "trying to build the better mouse trap", has produced numbers of new and innovative products. It's very important to the future of technology that other companies evaluate the status quo and try to improve on it. If Microsoft or any other company can develop a search engine that better's Google approach, then that's great and we'll all use it.

Re:Capitalism at it's best (0)

Stumbles (602007) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649325)

Except that in Microsoft's case there are very, very, very few applications they themselves have developed on their own. By and large they have bought almost all the technology they use. That is not by any stretch of the imagination, innovation.

More bull from Billyg (0)

Stumbles (602007) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649307)

Given Googles track record, Billy needs to bark up a different tree.

Google has been so helpful, useful and any other such adjective you care to use that I cannot remember the last time I used a any other search engine. Not only have I found Google to be the best search engine I have used, it is also the most pleasant as I am NOT baraged with banner ads and other similar crap.

I can see it now if they did jump into this arena. Every single search result would puke up all things Microsoft as the highest rated. Billyg excuse would be, thats how the hit count went or some other bull.

Fine... Let 'em try! (5, Interesting)

KC7GR (473279) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649309)

If Steve "Uncle Fester" Balmy thinks he can produce a better product than Google, then I personally invite him to stick his neck out and do it!

However, he should bear in mind that whatever MS creates:

(1) Will have to have a noticeable lack of any sort of banner ads or popups.

(2) Will have to have a clean, simple, easy-to-use interface that's compatible with ANY BROWSER, from the text-based Lynx on up to the latest version of Opera, Netscape, or IE.

(3) Will have to be fully compatible with text-based screen readers, such as those used by vision-impaired folks.

(4) Will actually have to work as well as, or better than, Google if MS wants it to have a ghost of a chance.

Right now, Google completely fulfills requirements 1-3. I will be watching with great amusement as Uncle Steve and his Cronies try to add "value" to the search engine "experience," and most likely fall flat on their collective arses doing it.

NO IPO! (1)

ctar (211926) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649315)

This is 1 major reason google should NOT go public. If you have a successful company and you're making money, and you don't need expansion capital, there's no need to go public. Unless they just want to make a quick buck, and move on to something else.

By going public, there's a good chance google will end up losing their edge, and potentially be in a position to be bought up by MS.

Good Thing (4, Insightful)

BSDevil (301159) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649318)

In many ways, I see this as a good thing. If MS wants to build a better search engine with a "better product and a better user experience", more power to them. They can't do anything to make me stop using Google, so why should I be worried if they see Google as a competitor?

Should MS, by some miracle, come up with a better search engine and a better interface, then I'll use it because it's the best for me. If they come up with a new feature that I like, I'll use it. I don't really care who's engine it is, so long as it finds the results I'm looking for. If it sucks (as I suspect it will), then that's a few million dollars less for Bill and Steve. Either way, we the users win.

Competition at work: may the best search engine win.

Start Worrying (1)

kmac06 (608921) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649388)

Why should you be worried?

1. Google IPO.
2. Microsoft buys Google.
3. Start worrying.

"In an effort to support the patriotic spirit and boost the economy, we assumed that by search for 'linux gcc', you really meant 'Microsft Visual Studio.'"

this one kind of surprised me.. (4, Interesting)

bmajik (96670) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649322)

i use google exclusively for my searching. i use google to search microsoft sites. I use google to help me search MSDN. The people that write MSDN work in the same building as I do.

I think google is the stuff and i rarely see a need to use anything else. it is -Exactly- the interface that i want and it is lightning fast with no distractions.

perhaps there is some breakthough in searching/indexing technology that MS thinks they can make. I'd buy that - there are lots of bright people here that really understand interesting problems with other approaches and can turn that understanding into solid products.

or perhaps someone decided google isn't "friendly" enough (i.e. not filled with crap, ads, marketing tie-ins, etc etc) and needs to be cluttered up and "popularized". maybe someone simply wants MS to have the #1 search and thats driving the whole story..

My worry is that whatever comes out of this, it will end up being 800kb of dhtml and popups and shitty ads. I don't think anything will ever replace google for what the majority of people use it for unless it is as simple and stripped down as google is, interface wise. i mean, i have a vested financial interest in MS products doing well but i still find myself using what i feel is the right tool for the job which fits my usage habits best, and for basically all searching tasks thats google.

Learn to pick fights. (1)

WasterDave (20047) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649328)

Microsoft should learn to pick it's fights. Does Google have money? No. Does Google have the daily attention and trust of tens of millions of people? Yes.

Quite honestly I think Google are the better armed this time round. Besides, they don't have a shareprice to uphold, they don't have a justice department probably still looking to kick their arse... nobody wants them dead. Do I need to go on?

Dave

may hurt them in the end =P (1)

terradyn (242947) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649331)

Looks like microsoft got mad at the ugly front-end [google.com] google used for searching all of microsoft's content. Wonder if they'll take it down and force microsoft to use their own crappy search engine again. I know many microsoft people use this google search to find what they're looking for.

April Fool, indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649332)

"We believe that we can provide consumers with a better product and a better user experience."

This could have fit in with yesterday's April Fool's stories

Well, it *is* April, and someone in the post is *is* saying foolish things.

Riiiiiight.... (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649335)

Okay, so we're going to let Microsoft, a proven monopoly, control what sites we SEE?

You could look up porn and get M$.com. Microsoft porn. This is completely messed up. Having so much power left in the hands of Google is bad enough, and they have never been proven to be truly untrustworthy. Having it in the hands of Microsoft is completely intolerable.

Fortunately, they will suck.

I'm so fricking info-paranoid I've got my own spiders to find sites for me, so this kind of thing doesn't bother me too much, but still, for that portion of the population that doesn't know any better (AOL users), I shudder to think. What kind of content could they possibly find non-objectionable?

google.com better than support.microsoft.com (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649336)

I want to know why the hell I have a better chance of finding the microsoft support document I need with google then I do searching directly from support.microsoft.com...

MSoogle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649341)

We believe that we can provide consumers with a better product and a better user experience.

Um, isn't that what Windows was supposed to do to the Mac?

PC Magazine Quote (3, Informative)

Likes Microsoft (662147) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649344)

An article month's PC Magazine [pcmag.com] mentioned this. The author shuddered at what a Microsoft Google would look like, perhaps something similar to the "teenage clutter" of MSN.

Google Paranoia (1)

ralphus (577885) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649348)

We all know that Google has a pretty impressive and powerful R&D division. We also know that they are a bit shady on their privacy policy. I had the following paranoid thought a while back;

What is one of the first things that someone does when they have what they consider to be an original idea? I think most people may just go google it to see if they are right in it being an original idea. At that point, the idea isn't anything more than a spark, but what if Google's R&D division is using these sorts of sparks that they see pop up from other people's searches? There will, no doubt, be a million bad ideas, but the one great one may be worth millions, and if I submit it to google, they've got the resources to develop it, and I don't have a leg to stand on in fighting them or proving anything.

Just a thought, and yes, I took my medicine this morning. ;)

Microsoft sucks. (0, Troll)

rice_burners_suck (243660) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649354)

This post contains the opinions of someone other than its poster. The poster posts these opinions on behalf of the person whose opinions these are, and disclaims all responsibility for the contents, kind of like television channels that show infomercials because they're getting paid to do it but they disclaim liability for the contents...

MICROSOFT SUCKS.

And if anyone at Microsoft has a problem with what I just said, here is my home address:

Blvd Dios Santo #231,
Col Lomas De Aguacatl,
16452 Mexico, D.F.,
Mexico

COME AND GET ME!

Microsoft is not a registered trademark of the local trash collection agency.

Poor track record. (1)

standards (461431) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649356)

So Microsoft says that some day they might be able to out-do Google. Why is this news, and why should we believe them?

Let them show us. If their service is better than Google's, then I'll happily use it. I don't know if anyone has noticed, but Microsoft's track record in terms of service delivery hasn't been that impressive. Likely their only success is Hotmail (which has very worthy competitors, and which was a glowing success well before Microsoft bought them up)

meh. (2, Insightful)

nekura (600099) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649357)

I found this less funny than Slashdot's attempt at an April's Fools prank. But required Microsoft bashing aside (for the record: no, I'm not a Linux zealot or anything, it was strictly for humor purposes), I say good luck to Microsoft. Not because I think that they'll fail or anything, but because if the competition's good enough, it'll hopefully inspire Google to come up with even more of their creative tools that I enjoy playing with so much.

MS does not have what it takes (1)

mcguyver (589810) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649361)

Google does not sacrafice the quality of their product for the sake of generating more revenue. Google is where they are today because they provide a search engine that is fair and unbaised. MS on the other hand has shown that they are willing to sacrafice the quality of their product if it means more coin in their pocket. BTW - what happened to RealNames?

I'll bet Google is taking it really seriously (4, Funny)

Introspective (71476) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649362)

A Google representative could not be immediately reached for comment.

The rep was too busy cleaning up the coffee that he'd laughed out of his nose.

Why do trolls get to post? (0, Offtopic)

geekee (591277) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649363)

"This could have fit in with yesterday's April Fool's stories..."

If this comment were made against Linux it would have been considered a troll, but it gets posted on the front page because it's against MS. Nice unbiased editing guys.

We will prevail... (3, Funny)

Mainframer (530235) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649367)

"We do view Google more and more as a competitor. We believe that we can provide consumers with a better product and a better user experience. That's something that we're actively looking at doing..."

...And to achieve it, we will buy Google...

Mooglesoft Search: linux "open source" (5, Funny)

Nathdot (465087) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649369)

Did you mean: Windows XP

Your search - linux "open source" - did not match any documents.
No pages were found containing "linux", "open source".

Suggestions:

- Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
- Try different keywords.
- Try more general keywords.

Also, you can try Mooglesoft Answers for expert help with your search.

Google: The Next Netscape (4, Insightful)

md17 (68506) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649370)

Everyone is missing the point here... Let's assume that Micro$oft could actually create a search engine 70% as good as Google. Then they bundle it into their OS and IE. Then market the crap out of it. Do you really think that the normal Windows user will continue to use Google? This is the whole problem with those bastards controlling the desktop OS which 90% of the world uses. They really can do this kind of stuff and get away with it. Remember Netscape, WordPerfect, etc. Be afraid. Be very afraid. And since I am in a good mood I will give a few suggestions for helping to change this situation:
1) Write a windows worm / virus
2) Contribute to the linux kernel, kde, gnome, etc.
3) Teach your friends and family how to actually use Linux.

Definition of "Enemy" (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649372)

Is bill making money off of it?

No? Enemy./

huh? (1)

loserdave (233584) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649376)

This could have fit in with yesterday's April Fool's stories...

So you're saying it's a dupe...

Why? (5, Funny)

sgage (109086) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649377)

Why is Google perceived by MS to be a competitor? Why does MS feel compelled to own everything? Why not admit that Google is excellent, that there's already lots of competition in the search engine niche, and get on with life?

I try and try not to hate MS (I hate hating, and personally find it exhausting :-), but they regularly come up with stuff like this, and it just disgusts me. They're like evil monkeys. Just can't stop fidgeting, fidgeting, fidgeting.

Hah! (1)

jpellino (202698) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649379)

go read the april 2003 fast company story

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/69/google.ht ml

google is so much not like ms that it'd be hard to imagine them being assimilated, unless they just bought them a'la webtv - but them a look at the numbers and a possible ipo and i doubt ms money could compete with the pride and reasonable money to be made from doing what they do well...

Outrage! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5649389)

Fuck you microsoft! This is war and this time *WE* have the hydrogen bomb.

Unbelievable (3, Insightful)

smartin (942) | more than 11 years ago | (#5649395)

Microsoft really can't tolerate anyone else anywhere near the industry. The sad part is that by having the evil empire even express interest in putting Google out of business, they will probably screw Googles chance at a decent IPO.
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