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Former Intel Employee 'Disappeared' by U.S.

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the start-of-a-trend dept.

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pmodern writes "Wired has this story about Maher "Mike" Hawash a former Intel programmer who is being held by the DOJ for suspected terrorism. Anyone familiar with the Kevin Mitnick saga will not be surprised that he hasn't been charged and has been locked away in solitary. 'For nearly two weeks, he has been held as a so-called "material witness" in solitary confinement in a federal lockup in Sheridan, Oregon. The designation allows authorities to hold him indefinitely without charging him with a crime.'" See also a NYT article and the Free Mike Hawash website.

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Cheap Joke (5, Funny)

The_Rippa (181699) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663480)

I wonder where the goverment got their "Intel" from.

No seriously folks, I'm here all week

Re:Cheap Joke (2, Funny)

Smidge204 (605297) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663509)

Maybe that the floating point errors in those Pentium chips was really a plot to undermine the government's computer systems!

Re:Cheap Joke (1, Funny)

sporty (27564) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663654)

I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public.


It's... (1)

Aliencow (653119) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663484)

a trap :( I hope this will stop in a few years, when paranoia goes away a bit..

Re:It's... (1)

kableh (155146) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663583)

Yea, great....

Who's an alarmist now?

Yeah. It's all a trap. 9/11 was faked. (-1, Flamebait)

zymano (581466) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663640)

Moon landing was faked.

U.S.A is out to steal Iraqi Oil.

Saddam Hussein is really a great person and will win the Nobel peace prize.

We all shouldn't be paranoid

We should allow Iraqi's to captain 747's in this country.

Your ridiculous. I personally like that we are going after guys that have legit ties to extremists.

Speaking as a Canadian (3, Troll)

TerryAtWork (598364) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663486)

I notice the USA takes every excuse to remove civil liberties.

I sincerely believe that the USA will become what it wants to be in it's belly - a xenophobic police state.

Re:Speaking as a Canadian (1, Insightful)

Fly (18255) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663547)

It must be nice to the spokesperson for "the USA." Go home, troll.

Re:Speaking as a Canadian (5, Funny) (531040) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663556)

Lucky for you, you live in Canada or I would have you arrested on making Anti-american (terrorist) statements!!

Re:Speaking as a Canadian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663561)

Yikes! Soon the USA will be just like Canada!!!

Yes this reply is a troll - or is a troll reply to a troll a counter-troll?

Re:Speaking as a Canadian (4, Insightful)

jkujawa (56195) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663572)

The USA doesn't want to be a xenophobic police state. The morons in power want us to be a xenophobic police state.

King George was not elected. Don't forget that.

Re:Speaking as a Canadian (1)

danheskett (178529) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663605)

King George was not elected. Don't forget that.

Let me ask you a serious question. I am -not- a Bush fan/supporter. I didn't vote for him, and I never will.

But what are you (in the larger sense as well) going to say if Bush DOES get (re-)elected? Lots of and lots of people are pissed that he is in office - aka "King George" comments. But if he does in fact manage to win re-election - let's say that the Democrats really can't get thier stuff together and fail to put up a good fight - then what will you say?

I'll say... (2, Funny)

mosch (204) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663643)

Helllooooo New Zealand!!

Re:Speaking as a Canadian (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663617)

Uhm. Not wanting to be picky, but Americans voted the current administration in power, which means they represent the people. That what a democracy is all about.
At least that is what they told me at school...

Re:Speaking as a Canadian (1)

Zugot (17501) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663664)

I'll just assume for one second, you are not an American. And if I assumed wrong, maybe you should know this this [] .

Re:Speaking as a Canadian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663644)

He was elected. Read the Constitution.

Re:Speaking as a Canadian (0, Troll)

MSBob (307239) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663670)

You meant Der Fuhrer Bush, right?

Re:Speaking as a Canadian (4, Insightful)

Dixie_Flatline (5077) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663621)

As a Canadian it looks to me like the US is ALREADY a police state. Homeland security? Citizens of Arab descent have to register? Next thing you know, Homeland security is dressed in brown, and the Arabs all have to wear a red moon on their sleeves.

I even heard a story about an older couple that got into trouble because while their house is in Canada, the only road leading to it crosses into US territory by a few inches. INCHES. So they've got special permission to use the road, but if they need a plumber, he needs to go to a border crossing before he can drive down that road, then he has to go back to the border crossing to get 'back' into Canada. Xenophobic? I think they're already there, too.

(By 'they', I in no way mean 'American People'. The people patrolling your borders and making your laws are starting to go a little crazy, and I don't think that's anything that you expected.)

Xenophobe (2, Funny)

twitter (104583) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663642)

I sincerely believe that the USA will become what it wants to be in it's belly - a xenophobic police state.

You only say that because you hate foreigners.

Re:Speaking as a Canadian (1)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663685)

Notice that the anti-fascists are the first to cave when it comes to fighting a real Fascist?

In-fucking-deed I do.
The next few years should be interesting, in a chinese-curse ("may you live in...") sort of way.

There you go again..... (3, Funny)

sogoodsofarsowhat (662830) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663487)

Thinking this is a free country. And for posting this we will need you to be a 'material witness' come along quietly and noone has to get hurt, much. :)

this is a criminal act (1)

intermodal (534361) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663494)

and the laws that allow this volation of constitutional rights absolutely must be struck down.

Hey everyone! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663495)

New Animatrix film is up at Get it before it gets slashdotted...

Well you see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663503)

See, he really works for AMD, not Intel

sorry that was ugly ...

Depressingly, I predict that (5, Insightful)

Savatte (111615) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663506)

he will not receive the massive support and protest that mitnick received, simply because of his name. Kevin = American, where as Maher = sounds like something from one of those countries we are at war with. Kinda sad, really.

Re:Depressingly, I predict that (5, Insightful)

Gannoc (210256) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663539)

he will not receive the massive support and protest that mitnick received, simply because of his name. Kevin = American, where as Maher = sounds like something from one of those countries we are at war with. Kinda sad, really.

Whereas I, on the other hand, think that a guy with a wife and children is going to receive more support than a creepy dork who may or may not have been able to start WWIII.

Re:Depressingly, I predict that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663568)

Why did you have to mention Kevin Mitnik, now we can't claim racism.. good job now this suspected terrorist probably wont go free!

Re:Depressingly, I predict that (2, Interesting)

jandrese (485) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663607)

Also, Keven was part of the "Hacker Community." Maher was a suit at Intel. Still, I'd hope more civil liberties groups would take notice, as this is obviously yet another violation of human rights. I'd rather if governments didn't get away with this sort of thing on a regular basis. Either charge him with something and give him his normal legal rights, or stop lying to the people and change the name to the Tyrannical States of America.

Re:Depressingly, I predict that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663652)

news flash, the guy gave $5000 to an orginization suspected of funding terrorism. Sorry if I think they should hold him till they find out what's going on. (provided he's not held over a year with nothing to go on.)

Re:Depressingly, I predict that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663629)

I really don't see the problem. He gave a huge amount of money to a terrorist organization. Am I the only one that still remembers 9/11, or have the whiny liberals washed it of everyone's heads already?

Re:Depressingly, I predict that (1)

MAXOMENOS (9802) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663655)

His story is already getting major media coverage on local (Portland) news stations. I think this might do better than you predict.

Re:Depressingly, I predict that (2, Interesting)

ajs (35943) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663678)

I don't think any of us were behind Kevin because he was an American per se. I was behind Kevin because he was being treated unfairly in a way that I could see myself being treated one day.

This guy is even easier to identify with because there isn't even any presented evidence of his (lack of) guilt. He might well be Bin Laden's mole inside Intel, making 387 co-processors for embedded systems that round wrong to thwart US technology, but we'd never know, because we're not allowed to know.

This idea that authorities can throw you in lockup forever, simply on the basis of a suspicion (with no evidence) of guilt is so blatently unconstitutional that I would be stunned if the ACLU does not sue on his behalf.

This is exactly the kind of case that they have been waiting for since the PATRIOT act was passed.

Damn.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663507)

...where've you been? I read this story at least two days ago.

quote (3, Insightful)

geckosan (78687) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663514)

Internal security, the age-cry of the oppressor.

In other news. . . (1)

Limburgher (523006) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663521)

A fire at the Capital's web hosting facility building prompts Reichschancellor Ashcroft to arrest hundreds of citizens without charges. Some are being deported, while others are being relocated to "Ghettos" without internet connections or access to compilers or interpreters. . .

Yeah for Oregon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663522)

you go Oregon with your Intel and maximum security jail in Sheridan!

do mike a favour (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663523)

could someone call mike's parents and tell them he said goodbye.


He's a terrorist (-1, Troll)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663524)

Come on, people. He's a member of a terrorist sleeper cell. I love how people think that merely holding up your hand and reciting a federal poem makes someone into an above-reproach icon of innocentness.

Let's be real, who do you think people have more loyalty to, their religion or their adopted land of citizenship?

Yay for America (1)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663525)

Times like this, I'm glad I'm Canadian ...

Re:Yay for America (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663560)

Don't worry, we'll get ours..

He resisted arrest, so we shot him... yes no evidence to support that.. but he's dead now..

Re:Yay for America (1)

Stephen VanDahm (88206) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663591)

"Times like this, I'm glad I'm Canadian ..."

Times like this, I wish I were Canadian....

Re:Yay for America (1, Troll)

zulux (112259) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663597)

Times like this, I'm glad I'm Canadian ...

Time like this, we're glad you're Canadian too.

I love Canada! The 51'st State Where Your Doller Goes Further(TM)!

Re:Yay for America (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663646)

Time like this, we're glad you're Canadian too.

I love Canada! The 51'st State Where Your Doller Goes Further(TM)!

(regarding the general intelligence of Americans as demonstrated above) Times like this, I'm REALLY glad I'm Canadian ...

Re:Yay for America (2, Funny)

u-235-sentinel (594077) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663614)

Unfortunaltey it's a spreading disease. If it can happen here why couldn't it happen somewhere else?

America is supposed to be the Home of the Free and Land of the Brave. At least it was until the last few years.

Makes you wonder why we are allowing our politicians to destroy what so many have worked to build.

Don't worry... some politician is probably reading this and getting ready to mod me down :-)

Re:Yay for America (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663615)

Aye. The Bush administration has really made me glad to not be an American trapped in a masked Nazi nation (not a troll, there are endless valid comparisons between the United States and Nazi Germany, even comparisons between speeches and propaganda tactics used are almost dead-on every time).

Re:Yay for America (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663626)

I'm glad you're Canadian too. We don't want people like you here.

What?! someone in america was given a ticket for traveling 59 in a 50? Boo america, yay! canada.


Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663526)

Just compare it to my disappearing radioactive poop! Gwahahah"!

NYT article (4, Informative)

macshune (628296) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663528)

PORTLAND, Ore., April 3 -- For the last two weeks, Maher Hawash, a 38-year-old software engineer and American citizen who was from the West Bank and grew up in Kuwait, has been held in a federal prison here, though he has not been charged with a crime or brought before a judge.

Relatives and friends of Mr. Hawash, who works for the Intel Corporation and is married to a native Oregonian, say he has no idea why he was arrested by a federal terrorism task force when he arrived for work at the Intel parking lot in Hillsboro, a Portland suburb. The family home was raided at dawn on the same day by nearly a dozen armed police officers, who woke Mrs. Hawash and the family's three children, friends said.

Mr. Hawash, who is known as Mike, has yet to be interrogated and is being kept in solitary confinement, his supporters say.

Federal officials will not comment on Mr. Hawash, though they have been pressed by Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of Oregon, and by a group of supporters led by a former Intel vice president, for basic information about why he is being detained.

In a statement after his arrest, the F.B.I. said he was being held as a material witness in an "ongoing investigation" by the Joint Terrorism Task Force. Federal search warrants in the case are sealed.

The case has drawn the attention of civil liberties groups nationwide, who say Mr. Hawash's case is an example of how the Bush administration is holding a handful of American citizens without offering them normal legal protection.

Although at least two American citizens are being held without normal legal rights as "enemy combatants," Mr. Hawash has not been categorized as such. As a material witness, he is being held to compel testimony. But supporters say he has not been told anything about what the government may want from him.

"Our friend has fallen into some kind of `Alice in Wonderland' meets Franz Kafka," said Steven McGeady, the former Intel executive, who started a legal defense fund and a Web site for Mr. Hawash.

"You hear about this happening in other countries and to immigrants and then to American citizens," Mr. McGeady went on. "And finally you hear about it happening to someone you know. It's scary."

Mr. Hawash's family thought at first that his arrest was connected to two donations he made three years ago to an Islamic charity, Global Relief Foundation, whose assets were frozen last year when federal authorities said it was linked to terrorism. But now relatives say the contributions may not be related to his arrest, and he may be asked to testify about six people charged here last year with aiding terrorism.

Asked about the charitable donations -- which totaled a little more than $10,000 -- Mr. Hawash told the local newspaper, The Oregonian, in November: "We believed that they are doing good work. It's a well-known organization."

Civil liberties groups say material witness statutes are being abused by the Bush administration to hold people like Mr. Hawash indefinitely. "The government doesn't have and should not have the power to arrest and detain someone without charging them," said Lucas Guttentag, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Immigrants Rights Project. "If this kind of thing is permitted, then any United States citizen can be swept off the street and locked up without being charged."

Since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the courts have made conflicting rulings on the legality of holding material witnesses without charging them. A federal judge in Manhattan, Shira A. Scheindlin, said such detentions were "an illegitimate use of the statute," but another ruling in the same court, by Chief Judge Michael B. Mukasey, said detaining witnesses to compel testimony was a legitimate investigative tool.

Attorney General John Ashcroft has defended the tactic, saying it is "vital to preventing, disrupting or delaying new attacks."

The Justice Department has not said how many Americans have been held without charges in terrorism investigations since Sept. 11. Civil liberties groups say they believe the number is about 20, though most are not American citizens.

Mr. Hawash, who was born in Nablus in the West Bank, first came to the United States in 1984, his family said, and graduated from the University of Texas. He became an American citizen in 1988. He is married to Lisa Hawash, a native of Roseburg, Ore. The Web site set up by supporters,, founded by two former Intel executives, shows a picture of Mr. Hawash's wife and three children.

Mr. Hawash has worked at Intel since 1992, though he was laid off in 2001 and rehired as a contract employee. Mr. McGeady, his boss there, said Mr. Hawash went back to Nablus to visit his family several years ago and had trouble returning to the United States until Intel officials intervened.

Scenic Bypass (3, Informative)

Jon Abbott (723) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663529)

You can bypass the NYTimes registration and read the article here [] ...

Media (3, Insightful)

elgrinner (472922) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663531)

What will be interesting is the media coverage. I mean, most people in the US are probably not aware that such a thing is possible and might, just *might* be a bit angered about this kind of StaSi-type of behaviour. Or maybe they'll just think "wow, great! Got another one of those terrorist bastards!"
I think one should seriously consider the option of moving to Russia...

Re:Media (1, Insightful)

Lysander Luddite (64349) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663573)

Sure they know. Remember Jose Padila? His case was in the media for what, 2-3 days?

The American public are sheep. As long as wholesale roundups of middle class whites aren't done and it remains a few people with dark skin, the public won't give a damn.

Not a suspected terrorist (3, Insightful)

Lysander Luddite (64349) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663534)

Note he is not being held for suspected terrorism, but as a material witness. AFAIK none of the stories I have read have seen any charges against him.

Three years ago he did donate $5K to an organization that is now being investigated for links to funding terrorist organizations, but that is not the same as being held as a suspected terrorist.

One must wonder if he didn't have rich friends if his case would even be noticed by anybody.

Re:Not a suspected terrorist (4, Insightful)

The G (7787) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663580)

Ashcroft is one of the big proponents of using "material witness" detentions as a way of avoiding habeus corpus. It's not being mentioned in the press because the press would rather not digify that sort of procedural bullshit. They've called it what it is: Detention without due process or habeus corpus. The press have a duty to try to be objective, but that doesn't mean they have to be gullible.

It's not the administration's fault! (0, Troll)

ajuda (124386) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663535)

The Bush administration is not at fault. Republicans want to GIVE you back your rights. That's what they always say -- big government is bad government. It's those damn democrats who are curtailing your liberties... I mean Ashcroft was hired only thanks to a strong effort by the democrats, right? Man, this is getting confusing!

Re:It's not the administration's fault! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663658)

frighteningly enough, a lot of this stuff came into being during the Carter administration. The secret court did anyway.

Re:It's not the administration's fault! (1)

rbgrn (443653) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663659)

Don't confuse economic liberties with civil rights and social liberties...

Warblogging (5, Informative)

Forager (144256) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663538) [] has been covering Hawash's story, as well as the Total Information Awareness story for a good while now. "George Paine" is a well-informed writer and his links are usually pretty good.

Who to fear? (1)

dfiguero (324827) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663551)

I wonder if Americans are more afraid of terrorism or of government actions... Scary stuff.

Re:Who to fear? (1)

gasgesgos (603192) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663647)

I'm much more afraid of the government than any terrorists...

The government ruins innocent people's lives daily, terrorists only kill a few thousand every decade...

I'm more afraid of being hit by a car while I'm sitting in my 3rd floor apartment than "those evil terrorists"...

But the government seems to think it has every right to destroy a person's life... just for the hell of it.

They must have some random number generator that picks social security numbers twice a day so they know who to throw in jail for the day...

Just In Case... (3, Funny)

4of12 (97621) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663553)

this story breaks the surface of the mainstream media to become a potential source of embarrassment about how the Land of the Free and the Home of Brave is treating detainess, then Plan B will be put into effect.
mumble, mumble, protecting citizens from terrorists, mumble, mumble, Arab descent, mumble, mumble, hacker, mumble, mumble.
and it will be time for a commercial break on CNN.

Re:Just In Case... (1)

u-235-sentinel (594077) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663637)

"mumble, mumble, protecting citizens from terrorists, mumble, mumble, Arab descent, mumble, mumble, hacker, mumble, mumble. "

You forgot to add "mumble, mumble, P2P user, mumble, mumble, DECSS Linux user...."" ::grinz::

Hey wait! Have a sense of humor will yah ;-)

Wow (2, Insightful)

ratajik (57826) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663554)

So, basically, three years ago he donated 10k to a charity.

This resulted in "arrested by FBI agents at about 7 a.m. March 20 as he arrived for work at the Intel plant in Hillsboro, Oregon. During his arrest, a squad of armed agents in bulletproof vests stormed his home, seizing computers and files. His wife, Lisa, and their three children were asleep at the time"

The charity was "Global Relief Foundation, a Muslim charity that purported to fund mosques and schools in the United States, as well as West Bank medical facilities. "

And now he can be held indefinitely without charging him with a crime?

Err.. Wow. All I can say is I really hope there's something we don't know here. If this is actually what happened, then anyone can be arrested, at any time, without reason. They'll FIND something to do it for, no matter if it makes any sense or not.

Land of the free..... (0)

DJ Mc Hugh (650588) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663555)

The land of the free and home of the brave......

Not a good trend (1)

West Palm Beach (654328) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663557)

Even though he's an important witness, he still has rights. They're treating him like a criminal though he is not. If they do not want him to flee, at least put him under strict house arrest where he'd at least be comfortable though still locked up.

Seems to me he hasn't even committed a crime at all.

Now you've done it... (0)

karamellkungen (582670) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663562)

I'm sure "The Terrorists" are even more envious of your lifestyle right now. In Iran they at least get a fixed trial.

Amerika (1)

da' WINS pimp (213867) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663569)

But wait! Didn't we just read something almost like the earlier:

If you don't want the government to do what it must to protect you from terrorists, you should butt out, said Heather MacDonald, a lawyer at the Manhattan Institute, a conservative think tank. She made her remarks Wednesday at the 13th annual Computers, Freedom and Privacy conference.

This is what happens when you let hysteria determine the future of laws and the interpretation of laws. What happens when America is not America anymore? [] Well I guess we are about to find out.

hmmmm (4, Interesting)

Triv (181010) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663579)

Sound familiar to anyone else? Oh yeah, there was the case of Jose Padilla [] , an american citizen who was being held as a 'material witness' to some unknown crime, prevented from seeing his lawyer (violating the write of habeas corpus)transferred to a military brig outside Charleston, SC as an 'enemy combatant' and has yet to be charged with a crime.

Ain't it great when the government starts repeating itself?


Too bad... (1)

Eric P. Henus (663579) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663584)

There are quite a few people in that situation... If I was of middle-eastern decent, I would be really nervous.

And at the rate that laws are changing, all citizens will be really nervous (think Patriot Act).

Personally, I think that Bush and crew are really taking advantage of the situation.. but I cannot figure out why. Why would they need to be so paranoid?

New bumper sticker (1, Funny)

jvmatthe (116058) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663585)

Free Kevin^H^H^H^H^HMike!

This extra long bumper sticker will go well on all those huge SUVs Americans enjoy so much.

We're fighting terrorism, right? (5, Funny)

cperciva (102828) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663586)

After 9/11, Bush made two statements:
1. "Terrorists hate America because America is a land of freedom and opportunity."
2. "We intend to attack the root causes of terrorism."

Sounds like everything is going according to plan.

Read sig (0)

fussman (607784) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663587)


Democracy? (5, Insightful)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663588)

"For nearly two weeks, he has been held as a so-called "material witness" in solitary confinement in a federal lockup in Sheridan, Oregon. The designation allows authorities to hold him indefinitely without charging him with a crime."

With tools like that, who needs dictatorships? Just lockup anyone likely to compete about power of state. No chance of getting caught since everything is stamped "top secret". You simply cannot lay power like that in the hands of people. No matter what it WILL be abused!

The US is imploding far faster than anyone would imagine. Remember how Rome fell and why for a cluebat.

Hey michael (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663589)

Get the fuck out of America! Go be a human shield in Iraq!

Disappeared? Really? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663592)

"Disappeared" would imply that no one knew where he was.

There are regimes in the world that actually do this, like Iraq and Iran. Some of the South American governments were infamous for this.

So, the issue might be that he is being detained without due process or habeas corpus rights, but please don't confuse the issue and say the US government "disappeared" him.

YRO? (1)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663594)

Your Rights Online?

It seems to relate more to offline, doesn't it?

Direct Link To Article (1)

Farley Mullet (604326) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663595)

Just subsitute "archive" for "www" in the server name - works for all the NYT articles. here's the link [] .

boohooo poor kevin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663599)

You slashdotters crack me up. You use Kevin Mitnick as an example, as if he was locked up for doing nothing wrong. Show me someone who has been imprisoned even though they were innocent and I will give a crap. Personally I wouldn't give a crap if Kevin was locked up for life. He was so guilty it wasn't funny. He was knowingly breaking the law not just once, but thousands of times. I am sure that Intel employee is not an innocent bystander either.

Old news, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663602)

Here's my links (other than the ones already mentioned in the article):

Oregonian []

The Register []

Dan Gillmor []

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Is this news for nerds? (2, Interesting)

robbo (4388) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663603)

It seems to me that the only reason why slashdot would post this story is the fact that he's an Intel employee. If he weren't an engineer and worked at Wal-Mart, the story would be ignored. Makes you wonder just how many 'detainees' there are in the states, not counting Guantanamo, of course. ;-)

Very Very dangerous (1)

st0rmcold (614019) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663612)

Welcome to the beginning of the end, this is where it all starts.

Guilty until proven innocent will reign the USA.

Sad thing is, no one is seeing it :(

Office Space 2...i can see it now. (1)

macshune (628296) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663613)

Samir Nayeenanajar gets disappeared by the Feds and Peter, Michael Bolton, and Lawrence try to get him out with clever programming tricks & ugly sticks.

Yeah, I rhymed.

With Bush in power, what do you expect? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663616)

Bush, the closest thing to fascist we've ever had.

Just remember what it was like 3 years ago: Economy was good, we had jobs, the President was brokering peace between Israel and Palestine, and our biggest worry was that the President had consentual sex with his adult intern. Oh my.

Today: Economy is crashing, > 6% unemployment rate is common in urban areas across the country, we're in a questionable and bloody war for oil, the same people [] who bolstered Saddam [] into power are in control today, Israel and Palestine aren't even on the map, the Bush administration is silencing political critics, and the government wants to investigate your private life to make sure you are not a terrorist [] , headed by Big Brother [] himself.

So much has been lost in just 3 years.

Nice title. Really objective. (4, Insightful)

Gannoc (210256) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663620)

Not that I think that ./ is an objective news site, but since this has absolutely nothing to do with technology or online rights, he did not "disappear".

They know where he is. A lawyer has contact with him. They're not going to burn his body and later deny he was ever taken into custody.

Is it a good situation? No, I think it should be ruled unconstitutional, its following the letter instead of the spirit of the material witness law.

When you use terms like "disappeared" to describe it, though, not only do you sound like a wacky radical, but you also insult the people in oppressive countries who actually have been killed/locked away for life without trials or explainations.

Re:Nice title. Really objective. (1)

Beebos (564067) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663650)

Your right, but it is pretty damn close to being disappeared. Too damn close for my liking.

Re:Nice title. Really objective. (2, Insightful)

sogoodsofarsowhat (662830) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663674)

CAll it what you want. It is not RIGHT and it doesnt sit worth a damn with THIS RED BLOODED AMERICAN. If we allow this then we are NO BETTER than the 'evil doers' in the world. Im all for getting the bad guys, but not if it means trampling on the basic principles of this country. If hes guilty of a crime charge him, if not cut him free. Holding someone indefinetly is SIMPLY NOT ACCEPTABLE. And yes I am a REPUBLICAN, AND YES I THINK ASHCROFT IS A NAZI!

police state (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663624)

Yeah folks when a techno turd gets nabed /. pays attention.

This county is turning into a freak show.

For some unpleasant truths see..

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For the solution go Here, []

Re:police state (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663668)

That should be

hot damn (1)

EZmagz (538905) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663632)

From the Wired article:

Though he's guessing, McGeady said it was possible Hawash was targeted because of charitable donations he made in 2000 to the Global Relief Foundation, a Muslim charity that purported to fund mosques and schools in the United States, as well as West Bank medical facilities.

If this IS the reason Hawash was detained, and it turns out he had absolutely no reason to be held against his will for so long, I hope there's hell to pay. Seriously, the organization was found to be legit, so wtf is the issue? That he donated $10K? Shit, if I HAD the money, I'd donate that much to the American Diabetes Associated right now. And being that he's a contractor for Intel, I'm sure he had a little bank saved up.

Regardless, this is getting absolutely scary. And for all those "If you have nothing to hide..." folks out there, save your breath. Come and tell me that when your mother's detained for being the 10th degree of seperation between her and some kid who sold groceries to a SUSPECTED terrorist.

First they came for the Jews (5, Interesting)

Ian Peon (232360) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663633)

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller

2003: s/Jews/Terrorists/

Closer Still (2, Insightful)

Ian Peon (232360) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663672)

2003: s/Jews/Arabs/

Intelligence (1)

lordbad (203908) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663639)

Once again reporters and the Slashdot community think they have enough "intelligence" on this guy to slam the government/FBI. Is it not possible that this guy HAS actually done something underhanded and that the facts in the case are not released as there are more terrorists to be caught or information to be sought?

If this happened pre 9/11, could ther have been a or

*Everyone* saw this coming... (4, Insightful)

Fritz Benwalla (539483) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663645)

...and worse, but no one did anything about it.

The loophole that the framers of the statutes knew about fully, and no one else paid attention to is that supposedly rigorous limitation of powers are based solely on a definition that is set by the authorities.

Law enforcement is limited in what they can do with or to you *until* they define you as a terrorist. Then they have broad leeway.

This same creep happened in the RICO statues. They were passed specifically to go after a very traditional definition of "organized crime." The problem became law enforcement's increasing willingness to broaden the definition of "organized crime" to what used to be called merely conspiracy.

So it's not necessarily the powers that are given to law enforcement, but the flimsy, overly broad cicumstances under which they can use them that we build into the statues.


Joseph Stalin for president (1)

johnjaydk (584895) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663648)

Is it me or is there something sick going on these days in the US ?

It is truely frightening that the US can turn 180 degrees that fast and head back to the days of McCartyism and Hoovers FBI plus a good bit of cold war soviet union.

A freind told me three weeks ago about two pakistani-americans (US citicens) from Standford and MIT who had opened a tech school in Pakistan. All assets confiscated, withheld for two months.

All their stuff is still confiscated. No trial, no layers, no jury. Nothing. They were just told: "You're under investigation".

Land of the free my ass ...

You people, who live there, should seriously reconsider who you put in power. A superpower ruled by the village idiot is not my idea of fun.

Ya done been vanished, boy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663661)

Due process? What is this "due process" of which you speak?

And to think, if this guy wasn't an Intel employee, nobody here would have heard a peep about this.

Contractor, Not Intel Employee (1)

Alvin_Maker (316828) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663663)

Just to clarify, Mike was a contractor working for another company at an Intel location. He wasn't an actual Intel employee.

However, that does not change the fact that this is a horrible event and gives me absolutely not reassurance about my own rights.

When is enough enough? (4, Insightful)

Fnkmaster (89084) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663666)

Some claim that "slippery slope" arguments are all a logical fallacy. But surely there is a place at which the slope becomes so steep we can deem it slippery enough that we shouldn't tolerate it any more. I am all for protecting civilians and ensuring domestic security, but do we have to deny people access to lawyers and due process to do that? I thought that our forefathers agreed a long time ago that due process was a good concession, a middle ground between the "ultra-secure", but extremely-unfree police state and Wild West anarchy.

I am not saying that I am strictly opposed to "ethnic profiling" - the fact is that a certain subset of people are more likely to commit large scale terrorist acts on US soil, and if there is suspicion, we should certainly act on that suspicion. But suspicion alone should never give the government the right to detain somebody who is a legal resident or citizen in violation of due process protections. We should speak out loudly, clearly, and rationally against this to our representatives. I don't want to speak specifically about this case, because we just don't know enough about the details, but the general principles of justice and basic civil rights must be upheld.

The golden rule... (2, Insightful)

chipwich (131556) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663675)

We seem to be moving toward the dark ages:

What kind of a government claims to lead the world in human rights thought, but can hold individuals in such a way that the rule-of-law cannot be applied to them?

Oh, yes, its the same government that can judge you by what you read, not what you do (eg, the USA Patriot act).

Hasn't anyone in US politics ever heard of the golden rule? Do unto others as they would do unto you...

Would any American (let alone a politician) ever want to be reborn as an innocent Iraqi civilian undergoing "collateral damage"? As an American Indian? As a black slave?

Current US politics of dividing the world into "Good" and "Evil" is not benign. It is a philosophy which ultimately threatens us all.

mother (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663676)

"mother can i trust the government..."

This has happened to thousands of people (3, Interesting)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#5663679)

Of similar ethnicities. It's sad that we only care when it happens to someone who has powerful (or at least well connected) friends in the tech industry.

Not that I'm bitching that it's on here, but it's important to keep in mind that this is not an isolated incident.

After 9/11 there was a guy imprisoned for several weeks because he was arab and booked a flight on 9/11... several hours before the attack (i.e. late sunday night). After the three weeks the FBI asked him a few questions, and then let him go.

The comparisons with mintnik are somewhat apt, but at least he was charged with an actual crime, and guilty of it too. He may not have had a bail hearning, but he did appear before a judge.

Can you say, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5663680)

WRIT OF HABEAS CORPUS is a privilege?

Yes, a 14th Ammendment citizen, aka "citizen of the United States", has revokable privileges.

And another thing, ever wonder why the IRS and Social Security are voluntary? And to close it off, ever wonder why the Secret Service is the division of the "U.S. Treasury" responsible for protecting the Prident of the United States?

Many questions have already been answered. You can understand everything by reading history of this dying *PLANET. The Vatican, the Internation Monetary Fund, The International Bank located in Switzerland and why it is never involved in wars, and how all wars are manufactured to present the illusion of worldly terror that must be extinguished by you giving up rights to separate those "TERRORISTS" from the common population.

And last I leave you, in Courtrooms in the United States, the judge has a U.S. Army flag behind him. Yes, Admiralty jurisdiction is present and it is treason. But, it's too late; you already gave it all up and everything is a privilege.

Read the BUCK ACT, and discover that mere acceptance of FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES puts you in jurisdiction of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. In this world, freedom is accomplished by researching what happened. First, the Common Law courts were silently closed down; reserved by the 7th Ammendment to the Constitution of the united States of America. When there are no more Common Law courts, then there is no Common Law venue, hence all your rights are statutory and revokable.

Read the Uniform Commercial Code: you are defined as a TRANSMITTING UTILITY...your name in CAPITAL LETTERS. It's all legalized fraud because the money doesn't exist and is issued indefinitly on demand. Why do you think they outlawed gold? Anyone who doesn't submit to them can't exchange gold because nobody else has gold to exchange. Using FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES allowed the GOVERNING BODY to control inflation; hey, they couldn't control inflation with GOLD or SILVER because those can't be manufactured...duh! Using CELLULOSE-based DENIM paper money is how they did it. You are all at the mercy of the banc until you start using gold again.

What they don't want you to know: you are the onese creating the wealth; they made paper money your addiction and they controll you with it. Be a separatist as did the Freemen of Montana; establish your Common Law courts again, only use gold or silver and DON'T USE ANY PAPER MONEY BECAUSE IT IS ADMITTED AND PROCESSED ONLY BY BANKS. The People(TM) create the wealth, they are the principle... Reasearch the U.S. CIVIL FLAG, the U.S. MILIARY FLAG, and the U.S. ARMY FLAG...all different.

Figure it out: perhaps some knowledge is at

Without Prejudice, UCC 1-207; Anonymous Sovereign in possesion of her Church
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