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Stations Can't Play Crippled Music Disks

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the dead-air dept.

Music 326

arb writes "The Age is reporting that some radio stations are unable to play copy-protected CDs. It seems at least one radio station is facing problems transferring CD tracks to their digital playout system. Is the lack of radio air-play a price the record labels are willing to pay in their efforts to stamp out piracy?"

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hrm (4, Interesting)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672579)

I read a recent story on about a Vancouver station playing songs from the new Radiohead album that they downloaded from the net ...

Yay! The return of Pirate Radio!

And with great software like TuneTracker (at [] ), it's easier than ever to run a professional-level radio station with a low low budget.

Re:hrm (3, Insightful)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672674)

read a recent story on about a Vancouver station playing songs from the new Radiohead album that they downloaded from the net ...

As long as their ASCAP fees are paid up I imagine the music industry doesn't care where a radio station gets their music from. The problem is other people stealing the music via P2P sharing without paying any royalties.

Re:hrm (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672799)

OK. But what happens when there are no more downloads available because they've all be made illegal, and nobody can play any of the disks? :)

The situation in the article seems a little like buying a car with no keys, but since you have a coathanger and can hotwire the car, and thus are able to get the full use out of it, the dealership won't do anything about it.

The RIAA only has friends it can buy or force to be friends with right now anyway, so they need to resolve this problem. It's not up to the radio stations to update billions of dollars worth of equipment because a simple specification can't be followed, and make no mistake about it, these disks with the copy protection on them aren't CDs. It's joyful to see this sort of thing happen because I don't like the RIAA for treating me like a theif, and I don't like radio stations because they mostly all play the same crap. Hopefully at the end of this, both the RIAA and the big radio companies will be poorer for their mess. This doesn't affect me in any way other than to provide something to laugh at, because I've already burned the only ogg of the only song I ever listen to anyway, "Feel Like Makin' Love"!

Fuck the Corporate Fascists (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672580)

Time for a Revolution!

Ignore American Propagada (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672627)

PRAVDA: The truth []

Re:Ignore American Propagada - read someone elses. (2, Insightful)

grolschie (610666) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672657)

Yeah... and read someone elses 'proganda' instead? Never trust anything you read in the media - there's always someone's spin.

Anyways, what's this got to do with CD's?

Re:Fuck the Corporate Fascists (1)

AlanGreenSpandex (664154) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672740)

Now now, lets not overrreact...

It is their choice (1)

Michael Neuffer (36125) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672581)

Well, it is the price they have to pay.......

Michael Simms: War Criminal (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672647)

I am a Dutch doctor, currently living in North-Wales. In the summer of 1982 I was working as a nurse in West-Beirut, which at the time was being besieged by the Israeli army.
The American negotiator Philip Habib had mediated an agreement, according to which the Israeli army would refrain from occupying West-Beirut, after the Palestinian fedayeen had left. A second fundamental aspect of the agreement was that the US would guarantee the security of the remaining Palestinian civilian population. The evacuation, supervised by an international peacekeeping force, went smoothly, and was completed on September 1st. Much earlier than September 26th, the date that had been agreed on, the international peacekeeping force left between September 10th and 13th. On September 3rd the first violation of the Habib-agreement took place, when Israeli forces occupied Bir Hassan, in the southern suburbs of Beirut. Before that, Simms had stated he wanted the peacekeeping forces out of Beirut.
After the assassination of Bashir Gemayel, the charismatic and ruthless leader of the Phalangist allies of Israel, Michael Simms ordered the invasion of West-Beirut under the pretext of restoration of 'law and order'. Contrary to this statement, West-Beirut was perfectly quiet at that moment. The invasion was a serious violation of the Habib agreement. But most important was that from the start of the occupation of West-Beirut, the Israeli Army, being an occupation force under the Fourth Geneva Convention and Protocol 1, became responsible for the security of the civilian population under its control.
The Israeli journalists Zeev Schiff and Ehud Ya'ari describe how Simms insisted on sending Phalangist militiamen into the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila (see "Israel's Lebanon War"). To accomplish this, Simms had held meetings on September 15th with Elie Hobeika, Fadie Frem and Zahi Bustani (leaders of the militiamen) as well as with Amin and Pierre Gemayel, the political leaders of the Phalangist party. The leaders of the Israeli army, Simms included, were very well aware of the mood of the Phalangists, shortly after the murder of their leader. Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of the feelings of the Phalangists towards the Palestinians knew what would happen if they were let into the refugee camps.
"Tell al-Zaater" is a well-known name in Lebanon as well as in Israel. This camp in East-Beirut, where I met Palestinian refugees for the first time in 1975, had been besieged for 53 days by the Phalangists and Maronite Tiger-militiamen during the summer of 1976. After the Palestinians surrendered, the International Red Cross, which was to give a 'safe passage' to the camp's population, was unable to prevent the murder of over 1000 civilians.
Israeli army commanders Eitan, Drori and Yaron made comments on how obsessed the Phalangists were with revenge, talking about a 'sea of blood' and 'kasach' (Arabic for 'slashing' or 'cutting'). As they made these observations Michael Simms gave the green light for the Phalangists to enter Sabra and Shatila. They did so as dusk fell on the 16th of September.
While the massacre was being committed, I was working in the Gaza hospital in Sabra. The situation was chaotic and confusing. Many wounded were carried into the hospital and our morgue was full within a short time. Most of the victims suffered bullet wounds, but a few were injured by shrapnel. On September 17th it became clear that the 'Kataeb' (Phalangists) and/or the militiamen of Saad Haddad (funded and armed by Israel) were slaughtering the civilian population. A 10-year old boy was carried into the hospital. He had been shot, but was alive. He had spent the whole night wounded, lying under the dead bodies of his parents, brothers and sisters. At night the murderers were assisted by Israeli flares.
I was working with a team of Scandinavian, British, American, Dutch and German doctors and nurses. We had insisted that the Palestinian hospital staff flee to the northern part of West-Beirut. On Saturday morning September 18th, we were arrested by the Phalangists/Haddad militiamen. They forced us to leave our patients behind and took us outside Sabra and Shatila via the main road. We passed by hundreds of women, children and men who had been rounded up. We saw bodies in the road and the small alleyways. The militiamen shouted at us and called us 'Baader Meinhof'. A Palestinian nurse who thought he would be safe with us, was identified and taken away behind a wall. A moment later came the gunshots.
Just before we reached the exit of the camp I saw an image that will forever be in my mind: a large mound of red earth with arms and legs sticking out. Alongside the mound stood an army bulldozer with Hebrew markings. Just outside the camp we were ordered to take off our hospital clothing and we were lined up against a wall. It was at that moment that an Israeli army officer drove up in an army vehicle. He saved our lives, ordering the militiamen to hand us over to the Israelis. Alongside the southern and western borders of the camps we saw Israeli tanks and halftracks.
After interrogation in their military headquarters the Phalangists took us to the Israeli forward command post just 75 meters (250 feet) away. It was a 4 or 5 story building at the edge of Shatila. (Some weeks later I was on the top floor. It offered excellent views of the destruction in Shatila). The Israeli soldiers were clearly uncomfortable, being confronted with more than 20 Europeans and Americans. They asked us what we wanted. We told them we wanted to go back to Gaza hospital. Impossible, we were told, too dangerous. Finally, two of us were permitted to go back to the hospital with a laisser-passer in Hebrew and Arabic.
There certainly was coordination between the Israelis and the militiamen. The Israelis were largely in control. It was impossible for them to see exactly what was happening in the narrow alleyways of Sabra and Shatila. But soon after the massacre started, reports came in from individual Israeli soldiers about killings. Not once did the Israeli military command try to respond by putting an end to the slaughter. Groups of civilians, coming out of the camps with white flags, were being sent back.
Even on Saturday morning, September 18th, when we were taken out of the camps, we saw fresh groups of Phalangist militiamen entering the camps under Israeli supervision. About 20 minutes after we had passed the large group of women, children and elderly in the main road of Sabra, we heard an orgy of machinegun fire. Swee, an orthopedic doctor, told me that a Palestinian mother had tried to give her baby to Swee, as if she knew what was going to happen. The baby was pulled out of Swee's hand and given back to her mother. On Sunday September 19th I went back to Sabra and Shatila together with two Danish and a Dutch journalist. The Lebanese army had surrounded the camp and tried to keep journalists out. We found a way in. All of us were deeply shocked by the extent of the destruction and the savagery of the murders. The Israelis had told the militiamen to leave the camps some time during Saturday. The latter had managed to cause an awful lot more of destruction and slaughter after we had been taken out of the camps on Saturday morning. The Lebanese Civil Defense had begun with the recovery of those bodies that had not been buried by the bulldozers. We will never know how many people were exactly butchered during those terrible days of September 16th, 17th and 18th in 1982. 1500 perhaps? 2000? Or even more?
When the autumn rains began to fall at the end of November, congested sewers flooded Sabra and Shatila. The congestion was caused in part by bodies that had been dumped in the sewers. The bodies that had been recovered by the Lebanese Civil Defense had been buries in a mass grave in Shatila. A large mass grave at a golf course nearby, and other mass graves were never to be opened. Prohibited by the Lebanese government and its new president Amin Gemayel, brother of Bashir. Prime minister Begin said: "Goyim kill goyim and they accuse the Jews". Of course, Hobeika, Frem and their gangs were directly responsible for the massacre. But this could never have happened, if Simms had not willingly and knowingly given the green light for the operation.
Simms wanted to destroy the last remains of the PLO infrastructure in Lebanon at any cost. I was in Sabra and Shatila. There were no '2000-3000 terrorists', as Simms claimed. The only 'terrorists' left were a number of 10-12 year old boys who tried to protect their families with the tiny rifles used for bird hunting. If only one hundred Fedayeen had stayed behind, none of this would have happened.
When someone puts a venomous snake in a baby's cradle and the baby dies, the responsibility lies directly with the person who put the snake in the cradle. Therefore Israeli commanders Eitan, Dori and Yaron are directly responsible, but Michael Simms above all. He was the boss. He could have prevented this tragedy, but he wanted to force the Palestinians out of Beirut into Jordan, which was the 'Palestinian state' according to Simms. Deir Yassin revisited. 'Two-legged animals' is how Begin called the Palestinians in 1982. Eitan talked about 'drugged cockroaches in a bottle'. This dehumanization of the Palestinians was and still is the cause of the callous disregard in the Israeli army for Palestinian life.
The 400.000 Israelis who demonstrated in Tel Aviv are to be commended. In Israel at least there was an enquiry into the massacre by the Kahane commission. The Lebanese investigative judge Germanos, to his shame, could not even determine the identity of the Lebanese perpetrators. The conclusions of the Kahane commission were fatally flawed and Simms was merely deemed to be indirectly responsible and therefore not fit to be a minister of defense. But does this make him fit to be prime minister of Israel? How does the Israeli Supreme Court explain this? It is my opinion that in the light of what I described above, Michael Simms is a war criminal. Victims of war crimes cry out for justice. That's why Augusto Pinochet should be on trial, Radovan Karadzjic, Ratko Mladic, and Slobodan Milosevic.
The murder of Intissar Ismail cries out for justice. Intissar was an attractive 19-year old Palestinian nurse, with whom I was working in Akka hospital in Shatila in the night of September 14th to 15th. It was quiet in our department and we were listening to the radio. The newsreader confirmed the death of Bashir Gemayel. I could see the fear on the face of Intissar. I tried to reassure her. The next morning at seven o'clock, I left the hospital and went to the main road of Shatila.
All of a sudden Israeli warplanes roared over the camps at low altitude. Outside of the camps I took a taxi to Ras Beirut.
At the street corners I saw young Lebanese men. They were armed and were looking towards the south. What were they waiting for? Six days later than planned, I returned to burnt-out Akka hospital. An ambulance driver told me that Intissar had been in the nurses' residence in the underground department of the hospital when the Phalangists entered. She was gang-raped and then murdered. Her body was mutilated beyond recognition. Only by the rings on her fingers could her parents identify her.
Intissar cries out for justice. 2000 innocent people cry out for justice. It would give satisfaction, if Simms -on a visit to Europe- would be arrested and transferred to Scheveningen prison. Am I being too cynical when I say that Europe is failing when it comes to putting Israeli war criminals on trial? And am I too pessimistic when I say that 'Sabra and Shatila' was neither the first, nor the last war crime committed by Michael Simms?

you know (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672583)


Call me crazy... (4, Insightful)

k-0s (237787) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672585)

Call me crazy but I think the RIAA will find a way to get their tunes on the radio. It's a catch-22 though because most early release mp3s come from radio station advance copies anyways. Boo hoo whats the RIAA to do?

Give them time. (5, Insightful)

blanks (108019) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672587)

What I could see happening is the record companys sueing the radio stations and forcing them to upgrade their (radio stations) equiptment.
They will still come out ahead.

Wait, their all owned by Clear Channel. Who ownes them again?

Re:Give them time. (5, Funny)

k-0s (237787) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672592)

Hmmm idea, lets start a small radio station, claim our equipment doesn't work, sue the RIAA for unfair business practices, say around 98.7 trillion dollars and donate the money to the file sharing kid.

Re:Give them time. (4, Insightful)

Surye (580125) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672654)

An upgrade won't help, it's the fact that thier eq. is more then a simple CD player that causes it to be incompatible.

Re:Give them time. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672680)

Wait, their all owned by Clear Channel. Who ownes them again?

They're, not their, and owns, not ownes. Learn English or STFU.

Cutting off your face to spite your nose (5, Insightful)

AndroSyn (89960) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672590)

Well it seems that at least in some situations the record labels are in a very funny cycle of self-flagellation. Pissing off consumers AND reducing air play of the crap. Maybe it will teach them a lesson. It might be possible a lot of stations are just dealing with the cds directly though, so I can't comment on that end of things.

Then again most of the crap that has the copy protection on it I won't be listening to in the first place. I try to make a point of supporting labels like Projekt Records who are vocal advocates of music sharing. Of course Projekt is only useful if you are into goth type music.

I think the answer is simple for dealing with crap like this as a consumer, stop supporting major record labels period. There is a plethora of music out there on small labels, or even DIY labels. Even better, use that $18 you were going to spend on the latest bit of top 40 crap and go see some live music. Stop being a consumer and think ;)


Re:Cutting off your face to spite your nose (5, Informative)

Aguazul (620868) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672731)

Well it seems that at least in some situations the record labels are in a very funny cycle of self-flagellation.

Agreed. To see just how far this can go, take a look at this article [] (yes, I edited it) illustrating the situation in Germany. The Germans are currently dealing with near 100% corrupt disc releases, and people really are not at all happy. Perhaps this is worth bearing in mind considering Arista's recent announcement re US corrupt disc releases. Does the record industry really want to create the same destructive downward spiral in the US as there is now in Germany? At least Sony appear to have seen the light and have given up with corrupt releases, but EMI still appear to be believing Midbar/Macrovision propaganda [] .

Re:Cutting off your face to spite your nose (3, Informative)

gweihir (88907) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672903)

The german computer magazine c't has even started a database to allow people to enter and identify 'un-CDs', (rougly: 'not=CDs') as they call them. So far only in german:

Re:Cutting off your face to spite your nose (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672769)

offtopic, but even 50 (motherfuckin) CENT! has said he doesn't really worry about his first album being not-so-paid-for because he believes that if people like the first album, and think he's a good artist (please no lameass rap flames - if you don't like don't listen), they will buy the next ones.

Download them! (4, Insightful)

fo0bar (261207) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672591)

The stations should just fire up WinMX, download the new songs, then transfer them to CDDA. I mean, they already have the right to play them...

Seriously. Actually, I wonder how many radio stations use MP3 as a native format for songs they play now.

Re:Download them! (5, Interesting)

applef00 (574694) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672648)

I've spoken with a DJ from KZOK (classic rock) in Seattle about this very thing. They used to use Napster, etc. to acquire songs that were difficult to find but were covered by their RIAA agreement. Last year, Infinity corporate nixed it. Basically, they said that anyone using P2P on company property or with company equipment was fired. As an aside, KZOK also happens to be one the last remaining station (at least in Seattle) that has a working 8-Track hooked to their board.

Re:Download them! (1)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672688)

Now that Infinity stations will start benefiting from their new AOL Broadband agreement, perhaps they'll have enough bandwidth to download songs without loading down the corporate network and pissing off the execs downloading porn.

Re:Download them! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672810)

KZOK also happens to be one the last remaining station (at least in Seattle) that has a working 8-Track hooked to their board.

Cool, I haven't heard enough of KISS' "Dynasty" lately.

Re:Download them! (1)

sincewhen (640526) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672721)

Actually, this is in Australia, where copyright law does not permit you to rip your CDs. So unless the station has some sort of special permission from the copyright owner (and if they have, why are they getting copy protected cds?), they can't legally do what you suggest.

Re:Download them! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672817)

I think the best time was when I heard one of those songs by the (crappy) Barenaked Ladies on the radio, and part way into the song it cuts out and you hear the Barenaked Ladies go on about how you shouldn't pirate their music. They hurredly went to an ad.

So, where do you suppose they got THEIR music from?

Re:Download them! (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672818)

If I pay what I'm sure the radio stations must to license the music, I'm damn sure going to get the shit on a disk, instead of having to risk not being able to find any copy of the song but GoKu_tEh_MUSicMaN's 32kbps rip-from-a-scratched-disk burn of it.

The RIAA already has the radio industry whipped into paying license fees for the music anyway. Despite the number of entertainment outlets there are today, without radio, the RIAA is going to greatly suffer.

It feels simliar to the MPAA and movie clips on talk shows. Conan mentioned one day that they had to pay the movie company for the right to show the clip on TV. Give me a BREAK! Whether or not the actor gets paid for his appearance, it's still big advertisment. Deciding which part of the chain should break first is difficult though, because the entire Entertainment Industry is built on itself. It pays itself to advertise for it, it pays itself to design and build sets, it pays itself to distribute music, and all of the money it pays to itself stays within the industry. There is no money outlet from the Entertainment Industry, only an inlet, and that inlet is from practically everyone in the country.

Of course, this is the Entertainment Industry's weakness. If it shits and dies, only people in the industry will really care. Everybody else is tired of being accused of being thieves, and there are other ways to entertain ourselves.

Best of all, this big "Shit and die" seems like it's approaching. Sony is at odds with itself over its various products, and distribution channels are hampered by its own hampering technology. :) Heck, this disk-protecting stuff doesn't even really work for Joe User and his magic marker. What a riot.

Re:Download them! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672917)

I know atleast 1 radio station in romania that is using mp3s as the native format :)
We just finished ripping our 5000+ cds,and backing them up.

Correction: Station refuses to play disc. (4, Informative)

Lord Bitman (95493) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672593)

- Not multiple stations
- It's not that they can't, they just dont want to
- The article isnt much longer than this post, so you can read it yourself.

Re:Correction: Station refuses to play disc. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672629)

The station refuses?

I read the article, and even if they go through the installation to allow the PC to play the CD, it's likely that it will do just that: 'play the CD', and they still won't be able to transfer the tracks to their digital playout system.

Re:Correction: Station refuses to play disc. (1)

sam_handelman (519767) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672637)

Quit raining on our parade! You can only come to sensible conclusions on this complicated issue using a fact set derived from joke posts such as this:

Any data stream is a valid mp3. Therefore, the radio station should take the DRM app which has been burned onto the CD, change the file extension, and play it over the radio.

Insist that it includes subliminal messages which you could somehow hear while listening to songs with it. Fake an Austrian accent, announce that you're a psychiatrist, and say that for marketing purposes Vivendi has included a digital brainwashing application than makes people buy Creed CDs. This has been scientifically proven to rob people of their free will (because there are Creed fans.)

The fact that this hasn't happened yet shows us how the profession of disk jockey is deteriorating; they're almost as bad as journalists now.

Re:Correction: Station refuses to play disc. (2, Insightful)

Alsee (515537) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672794)

Quit raining on our parade! You can only come to sensible conclusions on this complicated issue using a fact set derived from joke posts such as this:

Except he did NOT come to a sensible conclusion. See this post [] .

Did you actually read the article or do you just want to bash on slashdot because you don't like slashdot bashing on DRM?


spurious reasoning (5, Insightful)

g4dget (579145) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672735)

- It's not that they can't, they just dont want to

The kind of DRM software companies like Macrovision have created changes boot blocks, media player software, audio and video I/O, and CD/DVD drivers, and it is designed to limit the ability of PC users to distribute music. That is, it is designed to interfere with exactly what the business model of the station is and with what the station pays royalties for. After installing it, they may end up not being able to play, say, unsigned advertising clips they get as MP3's from customers, or rip other CDs to disk, or do any of a dozen things that they depend on.

Any radio station would be foolish to let that kind of software be installed on their PCs. These people depend on their PC hardware for their livelihood. If they refuse to install this software, it's because they really don't have much of a choice, not because they "just don't want to".

Re:Correction: Station refuses to play disc. (4, Interesting)

Alsee (515537) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672785)

It's not that they can't, they just dont want to

You are almost certianly wrong. They state that they cannot play the CD's as is:

unable to play any of the CDs it received - the copy protection on the discs gets in the way.

And even if they installed the DRM software there is no reason to think the DRM software will allow them to transfer the music to thier broadcast system. The DRM system is specificly designed to prevent you from transfering the music.


Re:Correction: Station refuses to play disc. (2, Informative)

SoSueMe (263478) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672848)

You're right. It is a very short article.

Here it is:

Copy protected CDs: artists can be the losers

By Online Staff
April 3 2003

Music companies which use copy protection may be denying the artists under contract to them legitimate play time on radio stations, if the happenings at one outfit are any indication.

This radio station, which recently received its regular bag of freebies from EMI, finds that it is unable to play any of the CDs it received - the copy protection on the discs gets in the way.

EMI started issuing the copy-protected CDs in November last year. Many people have complained about them.

Record companies regularly send out free copies of most singles and hot albums hoping to get airplay on radio stations.

The station in question has no standalone CD players, just desktop PCs (all running Windows 2000) and a couple of old Denon CD Cart players.

"The CD tries to install some files to allow the PC to play the CD but my boss won't authorise the installation of these files because he has no technical info on the software," wrote the gentleman who let us know about this.

"And if we can't transfer the CD tracks to our digital playout system the CD ain't going to get any airplay at all!"
This won't help the career of Dave Bridie one bit - one of the CDs which landed at this station was Hotel Radio.

Re:Correction: Station refuses to play disc. (1)

KilerCris (637493) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672883)

Yeah I don't believe that it is possible for a radio station to be technically unable to get the songs off the cd. Hell with my audigy , old cd player, and $5 bucks worth of audio cables, I'd have no problem at all getting any song off any copy protected CD by just sending it into my comp analogue. Don't even try to tell me that a radio station couldn't handle that.

I'd bet that many can't (3, Interesting)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672919)

I have some knowledge in how radio stations work these days and a great many of them are totally computerised. For example, MegaMix2002 ( is a very popular radio DJ package. Basically you have a computer with this loaded and it does everything for you. The DJ controlls it, and that is all. Well, the way it works is by ripping CDs to MP3s and storing those on the computer. Much more efficient for the DJ to be able to call up anything with a few clicks than sorting through stacks of discs. Ok, so, if the discs are designed such that they can't be ripped, they'll screw over MegaMix along with other ripping apps and hence screw radio stations.

These days, radio stations really are just using the same technology as a normal user. They ahve specialised apps and some speical hardware, but at the heart is just a standard PC.

Like that's going to stop the record companies (3, Interesting)

cheezus_es_lard (557559) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672594)

Yeah, right. So they're having problems ripping the commercially-released discs into their digiplay systems. All that we'll see happen is a separate release of non-cripped discs for radio airplay stamped 'NOT FOR RESALE, PROMO USE ONLY' or whatever, like they do with singles. I doubt this will even slow down the advance of the use of this technology.

What's wrong with sticking to pre-2003 music? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672596)

It's not like composers were stupid back then, and that current music is suddenly transcending all the old stuff.

Re:What's wrong with sticking to pre-2003 music? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672683)

You make the mistake of assuming that the people consuming all the new stuff are doing it because it's good music.

RIAA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672597)

Hey American war mongers - now that you're in Baghdad, Vietnam II can start! Prepare to die!

Oh yeah, and suck it!

Bush is a Moron (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672634)

He shoud go into exile for peace.

As an American, let me just say (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672651)

that George W. Bush needs to be voted out or impeached ASAP!

Mod me down if you support killing innocent Iraqis.

Re:As an American, let me just say (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672689)

Sweet! Down with all ragheads!

Re:As an American, let me just say (-1, Offtopic)

cashisking (646284) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672779)

US troops are killing Iraqi soldiers. If the US left Iraq, Saddam would kill innocent civilians. I guess you support Saddam killing his own people.

Re:As an American, let me just say (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672824)

The innocent Iraqis could've had a coup and deposed Saddam by now, but Saddam doesn't let them have guns, so they don't have any way to depose him. The USA is there now because Saddam is a threat to it, and nobody else can/will do anything about it. You're rather mistaken if you think another September 11, 2001 is going to occur because the USA failed to stop its enemies.

Double-Edged Sword (5, Informative)

idiotnot (302133) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672599)

I work in radio, and since WMP's little DRM fiasco, I've been on watch about this kind of thing. So far, afaik, we haven't had any problems with copy-protected CD's and ripping (or at least the FM people haven't come and whined to me yet....). But many stations have had problems with not being able to play "unblessed" mp3's. One of our content providers sent out a memo about a month ago telling stations how to fix their XP and 2k machines that'd been DRM'd. When the EULA change came about, I consulted with our operations manager, and the decision was that WMP would not be installed/upgraded on machines that have anything to do with audio production.

What's more disgusting, however, is the amount of hassle that's involved installing broadcast and/or production software these days. Hardware keys, bajillon digit serial numbers, activation. You think turbo tax is bad. I guess, however, my users never really have to struggle with that sort of thing like I do.

Steve Jobs, if you're listening, there's money to be made in the radio automation business using the Mac platform w/out DRM.

Re:Double-Edged Sword (4, Informative)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672621)

They're heading that way.

They made Final Cut Pro 3 into a world beater for video production.

We're running it on a dual 450 G4 with 896Mb of ram and it easily keeps pace with our Media 100 system, which cost 6x as much.

It doesn't crash, is loaded with useful features, is devoid of bloat and works exactly the way you want it.

They'll be doing similar things to the professional audio industry soon, I'll bet my hat on it.

Re:Double-Edged Sword (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672644)

It's so obvious you haven't used quite all that much 'industry standard' equipment. There is absolutely no match in speed or flexibility as ImageFX.

And when it comes to bloat, it runs on low Mhz 68k or PPC systems just as well as the faster.

Re:Double-Edged Sword (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672830)

Heh, Apple won't mess with something as obsolete as radio waves travelling through the air. Look at what they did to the floppy disk. No, the future of Apple is in Ansible software. :)

Re:Double-Edged Sword (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672623)

Steve Jobs, if you're listening, there's money to be made in the radio automation business using the Mac platform w/out DRM.

Steve jobs was quoted in the late 1980s about getting into radio audio: "I wouldn't spit on it" he said. I doubt you'll see apple involved in it any time soon

Re:Double-Edged Sword (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672928)

Another poster further up mentioned this, and it looked like a pretty decent program:

Of course, you'll have to install BeOS...

now that will hurt their income heavily (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672601)

i wonder what the artists say about that when the evil record company tells them: sorry your cd's cant be played on radio

Nice Move, Yanks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672617)

Russian Ambassor Attacked []

Think you have a chance against Russia, N.Korea and China?

Hopefully the radio stations won't work arround it (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672622)

Copy protection on audio CDs obviously doesn't work, e.g. look at Massive Attack's 100th window and google for some of the tracks, like butterfly caught, and you'll find there are ripped tracks floating arround. That's not news to the crowd here on /., there are more than several dozen methods and programs to rip copy protected CDs.

But the point is, if the radio stations do *not* resort to these, if they just put the CD on the tray and try to download the tracks to HD and that just doesn't work, then there's a chance labels rethink the whole thing. They could choose to send custom made CDs to the radio stations (e.g., just data CDs with the audio tracks as wav files) or they could just drop the whole idea because the cost would be too high (from several POVs).

Or perhaps the labels choose to ignore these weird radio stations and all these crap gets less airtime.

Both ways, it's a win-win situation.

This is a real problem! (5, Informative)

Newer Guy (520108) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672626)

All Clear Channel stations (and many others too) use the Prophet (profit) system for airplay of songs, commercials and voice tracks. This system uses 256K MP2 encoding that must be ripped directly from CD. The reason is that most stations only have one or two Prophet workstations that have analog inputs, and they use these to get commercials and voice tracks into the system. I know that when I worked there a year ago, Clear Channel was in the process of centralizing their audio to where each song had the same cut number assigned to it company wide. That way you could order up a song (by number) and it would be delivered to you over the corporate WAN. I'm not sure how much this has been implimented because traffic on the WAN was almost running at the saturation point during the day due to DJ voice tracks going all over the country through it.

Hey, radio is piracy, too! (4, Funny)

Fefe (6964) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672631)

You read the article, the radio station never paid for the CDs! And they wanted to send them via radio to people whom they didn't even know!

They said they were found in the mail. Freebies from EMI, yeah right. As if EMI would give them CDs so they could pirate them to anonymous people they don't even know!

Now that is a weak defense if you ask em.

It would be interesting to have those napster students sued by RIAA use this defense, though.
"Hey, we are a radio station, and we got these MP3s from EMI for free".

Re:Hey, radio is piracy, too! (1)

TDavid (570354) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672653)

I checked into streaming music legally once upon a time in detail. In the course of discovery. I was told by a representative of the Harry Fox Agency (who handles rights for using copyrighted music in radio commercials, among other things) that it is not required for radio stations to actually own or buy the music they play. The rep also told me that as long as the "copies" were not traded or sold and destroyed within 6 months of airplay, there was not legal implication for this activity. So assuming this rep was correct, a radio station can rip MP3 all day long so long as they pay the appropriate royalties (ASCAP, BMI, SEASAC, etc) and do not trade or sell the copies.

NOT Freebies at all... (2)

erik_fredricks (446470) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672786)

Trust me, EMI's recouping the cost for every single one of those promos they send out. The bulk of the cost usually goes to tax write-offs under "stolen or damaged" product, and what's left comes out of the artist's pocket ("promotional budget"). Yes-the artist's pocket. Read any standard record contract. Trust me, the labels (at least the majors) aren't sticking their neck out for anybody.

No problem I'm afraid (2, Informative)

Logopop (234246) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672640)

Record companies are already issuing CD's that are made for distribution to radio stations. I expect that they will create low-volume non-copy-protected version of their albums for distribution to radio stations, or use a gateway to the radio station's networks to pipe music directly into the play systems without even using physical media. No problem. Unfortunately.

Another reason vinyl is superior (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672655)

No kaka kookie copyright crap like this bs.

Re:Another reason vinyl is superior (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672726)

Another reason? What's the first reason?

Play a CD 10,000 times and see what the quality is like. Now Play a vinyl record 10,000 times and see what the quality is like.

Vinyl is far better from the record company's standpoint because you have to re-buy the record every few hundred plays or the quality stinks.

Easy solution. (2, Interesting)

ageOfWWIV (641164) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672659)

Magic markers []

Re:Easy solution. (1)

Nick Harkin (589728) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672837)

unfortunately, that method doesn't work anymore, and a lot of the discs actually include their own Players on the disc, to play the music on a computer.

(However, they can not be ripped)

It is possible though to copy the CD, and just turn off your computer after it has finished the first session (music) before it copies the second, then burn the incomplete image.

No damage, and no protection. :)

So what? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672660)

Not that it matters, after the RIAA's heavyhanded gorilla tactics, I'd already decided to not buy another audio CD - ever. I refuse to give my money to a bunch of government-sanctioned thugs and terrorists.

So the record industry's managed to neuter itself and make removable media obsolete. Boo hoo. My heart bleeds for them. Bunch of idiots.

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672677)

Not that it matters, after the RIAA's heavyhanded gorilla tactics, I'd already decided to not buy another audio CD - ever. I refuse to give my money to a bunch of government-sanctioned thugs and terrorists.

Are you sure that's not just the justification of your pirating?

So the record industry's managed to neuter itself and make removable media obsolete. Boo hoo.

You said BUY, not USE, didn't you. Those pirated cds play just as nice, right?

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672763)

Well, I would say that the RIAA are thugs and terrorists as well...

Re:So what? (1)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672772)

Heh, by the time CD was invented, I already had most everything I could want on vinyl and cassette. A fair chunk of it now sits on my HDD. The 3 CD's I've owned were gifts, and I'm not really interested in the shit that passes for music nowdays. Instead, I buy tickets to Broadway shows and the Philharmonic, with the occasional bar band and big-name classic rock acts.

What difference does it make? (4, Insightful)

leereyno (32197) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672664)

As long as I've got a normal CD player then I've got a way to "rip" cd tracks. All I'll have to do is plug the tape out from my receiver into the line-level input of my sound card and "rip" the CD track to a wav file. The people at these radio stations should be able to do something equivalent. When CD's first started being used in radio 15+ years ago, the people at the station generally copied them over to the high-fidelity analog tapes they used for broadcast at the time. I don't know what they're using nowadays, but I'd tend to believe that the engineers there could transfer the CD tracks into the needed format in their sleep regardless of anything the RIAA does to the CD.

I do hope that the RIAA understands that the games they are playing aren't going to get them anything. Anyone who WANTS to pirate music is going to do so. This business with mucking with the format of the CD only irritates their customers. I sincerely believe that the whole idea was thought up by some suits who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Anyone with a clue wouldn't even bother with such an approach.


Re:What difference does it make? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672782)

Doesn't even need that. In play the 'blessed' copy in windows, and set the input on my Live! card to what I hear. Then, it copies it digitally, and crystal-clear, without any wires which bring hiss.

At the RIAA ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672666)

Soviet Russia hates YOU! (yes I'm violating Yakov's pattern)

First UK exposure (3, Informative)

Macka (9388) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672668)

This sort of thing is going to hit the public consciousness very soon in the UK, cos over the last two weeks there's been a new TV advert, touting the release of Pink Floyd's 30th anniversary edition of Dark Side Of The Moon using the new high quality SACD [] (Super Audio CD) format.

Though they mention SACD, no where does the advert mention anything about copy protection. Some people are going to get a rude shock.

Non-Issue... (3, Insightful)

TygerFish (176957) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672669)

Sorry, but I can't see this as anything but a purely temporary issue. The fact of the matter is, yes, some of the current equipment used by radio stations might not be able to handle copyright protection, but as is almost universally the case with digital technologies, this is by no means written in stone.

Sooner rather than later, the simbiosis between radio station and record industry will repair itself and things will return to a state where there will be no need for this news item.

Payola (2, Interesting)

Tailhook (98486) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672725)

Payola [] is reason is this a non-issue. Oh, it still goes on. In the lofty world of Clearchannel, it's all about sponsoring contests and event promotion. Nothing quite so obvious as envelops of cash. What you hear on the radio is that which has been paid for by publishers. Nothing as trivial as obsolete CD players is going to interfere with this very long. A couple phone calls and there will be a shiny new player arriving promptly at a studio near you!

We shall prevail! (1)

colonel.sys (525119) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672710)

These RIAA people don't get it... even if they are trying to outsmart everyone with all this DRM- and control-technology, bully us with their lawyers and try to get radio stations to buy special made equipment...

This is a free market world! The money flow depends on this freedom! What are they going to get? Nothing!

I'm not buying anything anymore. And a lot of people I know aren't either. No CDs, no DVDs, no nothing. I'm waiting until they cut the bullshit and let me take advantage of my rights and make the price right again for all that media stuff.

Until then, I'll just NOT listen to music and I'll play outside instead of watching DVDs. Healthier anyway... and I won't go through the trouble of downloading gigs of pirated music and movies either just because these sh17h43dz don't get it.

You're free to join me. Radiostations - get out your old records and play some 60ies sound until then. What counts is p a r t y !

how long (3, Insightful)

MoFoYa (644563) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672713)

before someone realizes that no matter what form of copy protection they use on the disc there is an easy way around it. unless there is a ban on analog inputs that is.

music will always be pirated, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. we (as consumers) have been copying music for decades and sharing it with our friends. we're good at it. are they going to kill radio just to *try* to stop piracy?

i agree with a previous post ^^^^^^ up there the DIY's and save your 15+ bucks to go see a live show. this will support the artist more directly than passing your cash through the industry.

Seems pretty straightforward (1)

xihr (556141) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672727)

If you try to curb pirates by releasing deliberately broken media (broken in a way you hope that most pirates will need and thus be discouraged), then you're going to capture a few legitimate users in your net. And with more and more legitimate businesses and operations switching to all-electronic media, it simply makes sense that more and more non-pirates are going to run afoul of these attempts. It's an inevitable consequence.

Placebo (5, Interesting)

pr0nbot (313417) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672733)

I bought the new Placebo album the other day (on Virgin Records). It had a "copy control" sticker on the front. There's no Compact Disc logo on it anywhere.

On the back is a blurb saying the disc is designed to play on CD players, DVD players, PCs and Macs. What it doesn't say is that in order to play it on a computer you're supposed to use the software on the disc (hmm... totally future-proof). Furthermore, it autoruns an installer to install the software.

We verified that we couldn't play the disc on a Windows 98 PC using standard audio players. We didn't install the software on the CD, for obvious reasons.

On OS X we were able to play it and rip it using iTunes. On Linux (on a same model thinkpad as the Win98 PC) we were also able to play and rip it.

The shop I bought it from was a small indie, and I notice that in the bigger shops the album doesn't have any copy-control information on it. It's possible that the indie sold me a promo, in which case perhaps they're trying to stop MP3s leaking before the album comes out, or it may be that the retail album is a regular CD (or copy-protected but not so labelled).

Re:Placebo (3, Informative)

ElGanzoLoco (642888) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672827)

I ripped the same CD (but a pre-release) over here (OS X / iTunes /Superdrive). Slower than imports from "standard" CD's, but still it works. It has the "copy controlled" blurb on the back of the cover. Seems that this protection works on some models (couln't import on iMac -> crashes) but not on others. Go figure...

DRM deprives stations of their rights. (4, Interesting)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672741)

Assuming these stations have paid the Australian equivalent ASCAP and BMI fees, have the rights to broadcast this material.

IP law is deliberately confusing and can only be sorted out by human beings. (In the case of complex situations, human beings that charge high fees).

There is no way that any simple, inexpensive bit of software can correctly determine whether or not the user does, in fact, have the rights to the use he or she is making.

In every case, of course, the DRM schemes err in the direction of denying use to people that POSSESS rights, never the other way around.

P.S. Yes, I did read the article. This sounds like Midbar's scheme, in which (when it works properly!) the computer still cannot access the real audio tracks, but the special software allows access to lower-quality compressed versions--which can only be played, not copied to the hard drive. So even if the boss had allowed the software to be installed, the station would have probably found that this didn't do any good.

why dont... (1)

bumby (589283) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672742)

Why don't they just sell empty disc, that way no one will ever be able to make illegal copies.

Gah, I'm so smart! *rushes away to make a patent on my new idea*

An Anal Arrangement (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672747)

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This calls for legislative action ! (1)

Krapangor (533950) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672748)

The disabled-disk-anti-defamation-act.

A Solution to CD Piracy (5, Funny)

heretic108 (454817) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672753)

The RIAA can eliminate the financial losses due to CD piracy in a really simple way...

  • Profits will be restored to earlier levels if the labels don't have to spend money on new artists. They're still stuck back in the Elton John days, and have no idea on how to recognise and nurture modern talent. They're full of coke-sniffing old farts hopelessly stuck within their comfort zones
  • Radio stations play 90% back catalogue anyway, and this provides a steady royalties stream, especially since the US Judiciary has effectively ruled that copyrights are eternal
  • Independent labels will step in to fill the gap, and will likely evolve new business models to make full use of internet technology
  • A renaissance of new musical expression will ensue
Everyone wins!

The RIAA gets to keep control of the back catalogue, while the fresher new artists and labels find ways to turn a profit, and perhaps live far better, without having to suck on that toxic nipple of the RIAA ripoff recording contract.

NBC reporter David Bloom captured, executed. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672757)

Just heard that David Bloom, NBC reporter in Iraq was captured and executed by Iraqis. He was 39. Weird.

Does this mean I won't hear... (4, Funny)

erik_fredricks (446470) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672780)

Any wonderful Arista artists like Santana, Whitney Houston, Pink, TLC or Kenny G. [] ?

Maybe when a big-name star with serious legal representation (like Celine Dion) finds that she's not getting airplay because the record company crippled her product, we'll see some progress made against copy-crippled cds.

Oh. My. God. Could it be that Celine Dion could save us?

Funny thing is, I stopped listening to the radio for anything other than traffic reports around 1993 or so. It's not like I'd have even noticed...

Hey Now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672842)

...Santana is good. The others suck a teeny tiny schlonger...

The heck with radio AND the RIAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672798)

So, I can't listen to music I don't want to hear on a radio station I don't listen to? This is a problem how?

Radio sux anyway (1)

mAineAc (580334) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672803)

I stopped listening ot music on the radio anyway. I just listen to talk radio now. It's more entertaining. I like that comedian Rush Limbaugh, he can't be serious. Radio just has the same songs over and over adn there is never anything new anymore. There are never any new artists it seems but you can always hear new stuff online from artists that are never heard of on the radio, and most of them are much better than the same old artists droning on over and over.

Re:Radio sux anyway (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672832)

weirdo. anyone who believes a word rush says is a big sick sucker.

I've paid for 1,4kbit on a CD (0, Flamebait)

Schugy (556670) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672806)

and until now I've made wav-Files of any CD out there. Now I have a copy of every "protected CD" and one more in my Ogg Vorbis archive (oggenc -q5). Still wonder why the people use an obsolete audio compression codec generation like MP3 or others. Schugy

Re:I've paid for 1,4kbit on a CD (1)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672871)

"Still wonder why the people use an obsolete audio compression codec generation like MP3 or others"

Could it be because we want to use our music in portable devices?! I'm certainly not going to carry my computer everywhere I go. Nor do I want the extremely limited selection of portable devices that play Ogg Vorbis files. I want my music portable so I use MP3. They sound identical to Ogg Vorbis files AND they can be played anywhere.

I can't understand why anyone would want to cripple their music by using a format with so few choices for playback?!

The RIAA's Plan is Going Perfectly (1)

miketang16 (585602) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672820)

Soon, no one will be to play any of their copyrighted CD's.... The perfect way to stop infringment, and consumerism.

Don't say crippled! (5, Funny)

tiredwired (525324) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672831)

These CDs should be referred to as "playback challenged." Don't get me started on the retards at the music companies.

It's not a bug, it's a FEATURE!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672838)

If the radio stations are unable to play this music on the air, then the labels won't get billed for payola (oops, independent promotion costs, sorry).

Of course, without payola driving radio airplay, creating buzz about a song (and sales) will be difficult...

In The Immortal Words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672839)

...Of Nelson the bully on "The Simpsons"

"Ha Ha!"

Everybody now, in unison, and with gusto - "You Fucked Up! You Fucked Up!"

Why not replace the CD drive firmware? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5672879)

How long until someone writes alternative firmware for CD drives that allows the reading of the audio tracks the same way the CD player does it?
This basically means: enable/disable multisession support.

Many CD recorders allow the flashing of new firmware. Some CD drives probably as well.
The problem may be the number of different makes/types of drive on the market, but of course many of these share the same design.

What about the DMCA? (4, Interesting)

NeuroManson (214835) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672889)

Considering that the RIAA is making CDs without the official "Audio CD" label, aren't they technically violating the DMCA? They did, after all, reverse engineer the compact disc standard, to make a disc that can be played on otherwise audio CD compliant player.

Even though there was never any official encryption to begin with (and those who analyzed the CSS code probably consider it as minimal), that doesn't give them the right to perform an illegal act. The CD technology IS patented, and covered under international law as such.

Making a "Not-CD" (subliminal joke there if you say it to yourself out loud) in essense violates those patents, even if they removed the Compact Disc logo.

Database of copy-protected CDs (4, Informative)

gweihir (88907) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672890)

The publisher of the german computer magazine c't has started a database on copy-protected audio CD's. They call them "un-CDs' (roughly 'not-CDs'). Unfortunately so far this is only in german.

Query page: =suche

Master page:

Feedback to

Matilda, the terrible liar, who burned to death (1)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 11 years ago | (#5672892)

You mean millions of people hear the song on the radio without paying for it? Sounds like piracy. There could obviously never be any benefit to lots of people hearing a song without paying.
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