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Spammers, Privacy, Anti-Spam, and Lawsuits

Hemos posted about 11 years ago | from the oh-my dept.

Spam 458

Digital Eco Freak writes "The Washington Post is running a story about a spammer suing to keep his address and personal info private. George Allen Moore Jr. of Linthicum, MD has sued Francis Uy for posting his contact information on the web. He has gotten threatening phone calls and messages, as well as an over-abundance of unsolicited catalgs and packages as a result of Uy's actions. The spammer is getting a taste of his own medicine, but the guy's business address turns out to be the same as his home address, so there may be real safety concerns. Should spammers get some privacy protection too?"

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Privacy protection? (5, Funny)

KDan (90353) | about 11 years ago | (#5678346)

What are you talking about? Spammers should be exposed on stalls to have rotten eggs and tomatoes thrown at them. Privacy protection, riiiiight...

Daniel

First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678347)

First Post Beeotch!

first post! (-1, Offtopic)

fearincontrol (622152) | about 11 years ago | (#5678349)

First Post!

But... yes. You can't apply a double standard anywhere or the whole system breaks down.

Re:first post! (4, Interesting)

RazzleFrog (537054) | about 11 years ago | (#5678390)

You can't apply a double standard anywhere or the whole system breaks down.

But what law says that your business address and phone number should be absolutely private? Just because it is also your home address and phone number should have no impact. Either way, freedom of speech trumps freedom of privacy. It is mentioned specifically in the Constitution wheras privacy is only hinted at.

FP!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678351)

this is my first FP!

Spammer privacy rights (-1, Troll)

madchris (266878) | about 11 years ago | (#5678352)

No - No way - absolutely not -

Bury the bastards in their own kind of junk...

Re:Spammer privacy rights (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678400)

let the courts settle it - and if in fact the courts rule that he deserves anonymity - he can stay spamming, otherwise if he doesn't like receiving things he didn't ask for, maybe he'll stop sending things people didn't ask for.

spammers should be quarantined and only allowed to send spam to other spammers...

Home/Business (5, Insightful)

st0rmcold (614019) | about 11 years ago | (#5678355)


This is the risk you run by running a business out of your home, privacy for him and his family are due, but not for his business that offends many people.

If he runs a questionable business from his home, he can't expect to have any kind of protection. The spam business sure dosen't deserve any. He should of known better.

Re:Home/Business (1)

madchris (266878) | about 11 years ago | (#5678440)

"He should have known better."

This is a **very** important point. If the bugger were running a child molester dating service, I'm sure he wouldn't do that out of his home - or perhaps he would.

Someone this clueless about computing and the Internet shouldn't be working with it in the first place.

Re:Home/Business (5, Interesting)

ZPO (465615) | about 11 years ago | (#5678449)

Agreed, Mr. Moore chose to register the legal address of his business as his home address. He made this choice with full knowledge that spammers are not typically loved by internet users. The public owes him absolutely nothing.

Now if someone could arrange to get a couple tons of manure delivered to his front lawn, that would be funny.

Re:Home/Business (4, Insightful)

eenglish_ca (662371) | about 11 years ago | (#5678461)

Everyone should have privacy protection hands down, however, the authorities should be stiffer on the penatlies.

Why didn't moore use a P.O. box?

The reason spam has grown to such an epidemic is that there are idiots out there who actually open the spam and then order the products or services that they are offering thus funding and encouraging the spammers to further spam. All we need to do is have some sort of idiot test performed by ISPs. Within the first few days of signing up for internet and logging on the ISP should send an email advertising a product or service that fits the demographics of the user and if the user attempts to order the product or service they should get cut off. That should eliminate the pesky spammers.

Re:Home/Business (3, Interesting)

Schwartzboy (653985) | about 11 years ago | (#5678526)

Amen to that. In this particular instance, I think that the golden rule should apply...either that or "an eye for an eye", take your pick. In the interest of fairness, this gentleman should have all of the same rights and protections of his personal contact information that he extends to the rest of the world. What this will mean in practice, at least in the way that I understand the concept, is that Thou Shalt Not Spam. Attempting to enforce a double standard that favors spammers could have hordes of geeks (and even normal end-users) up in arms, which is probably A Very Bad Thing. The most amusing bit from that article was the poor spammer's claim that he'd probably have heard about it by now if he were doing something wrong. Of course, that's referring to the allegations of piracy, but maybe it's time for anti-spammers everywhere to let him know that yes, spamming is in fact doing something wrong. Be sure to include several flashy, multiple-megabyte images in your HTML-formatted message, as well as a prominently displayed notice that "THIS IS NOT SPAM, you have solicited this e-mail by...etc." at the bottom of the page. Give me a freaking break.
Next we'll hear complaints from AOL when they receive the shipment of 13 million "X number of free hours!" CDs that I've been collecting over the years. Bunch o' spineless whiners.

Re:Home/Business (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678539)

If he runs a questionable business from his home, he can't expect to have any kind of protection

From unwanted catalogs? You are absolutely correct. From threatening phone calls and harassment? You are incorrect. Additionally, this is not a questionable business - it is perfectly legitamate. Maybe you don't approve of it, but your approval or disapproval does not make something legal, illegal, or "questionable".

should HAVE, not should OF (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678552)

moron. but then, this is to be expected from a retard who uses digits to spell his name.

Re:Home/Business (4, Insightful)

Musashi Miyamoto (662091) | about 11 years ago | (#5678566)

I do not agree. The problem of the tyranny of the majority is one of the wrongs that the constitution of the USA tried to right. Take note that almost all of the rights in the bill of rights were placed there to protect the minority opinion from being opressed by the majority. That in fact is is the reason that the first settlers to the new world went there, the reason behind the Revolution, and the reason behind the influx of most of the immigrants of the early 20th and late 19th centuries.

As long as spamming and junk mail remains legal, which it likely will, as it is part of that touchy subject of the first ammendment, he will be in the right.

What is more illegal is the intentional harassment of the spammer by others. If they were mailing and calling him with political or commercial requests, they probably cannot be stopped (other than by a no-call list). However, the intentional harrassment might be considered illegal, if it can be proven.

The real question is.. (3, Funny)

Sibeling (597639) | about 11 years ago | (#5678364)

.. how long it will take people to post his address and email adress here..
George Allen Moore Jr. of Linthicum, MD


Bets are now open!

Re:The real question is.. (2, Informative)

evanbd (210358) | about 11 years ago | (#5678471)

Google is your friend.

http://www.barbieslapp.com/others/fatburn.htm

wow.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678509)

he's a real homo-lookin motherfucker.

Re:The real question is.. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678500)

Maryland Internet Marketing LLC,
George Alan Moore Jr,
300 Twin Oaks Rd,
Linthicum MD, 21090-2154,

877-655-3438, 410-963-8226, 410-691-2924
.

Re:The real question is.. (5, Informative)

gotan (60103) | about 11 years ago | (#5678542)

"Moore Linthicum Spam" is sufficient for a google search [google.com] and turns up enough sites listing his address. It also turns up some articles suggesting that any trouble Mr. Moore gets is richly deserved.

Another clueless journalist (4, Funny)

operagost (62405) | about 11 years ago | (#5678367)

Uy, a self-described "Web geek" who does tech work for a distance learning center at John's Hopkins University, said he remembers the exact date he first saw electronic spam and resolved to fight back. It was April 12, 1994, before e-mail even existed in its current form.
What current form is that? The one with Outlook's broken HTML and macro viruses?

Re:Another clueless journalist (4, Informative)

selan (234261) | about 11 years ago | (#5678420)

He was probably referring to Usenet, which fell victim to spam before email did.

Re:Another clueless journalist (1)

RevDobbs (313888) | about 11 years ago | (#5678558)

Hmmm, usenet spam... I've heard the stories about the guy selling visas over Usenet, but I can't believe that he was the first to think of that kind of advertising.

My freshman year of college ('94), my roomate offered his services as an HTML Author on a couple of news groups. Unfortunatly, he had his return email address set as root@ his new Slackware box; a week later he was forwarded an avalanche of inquiries from the campus SysAdmin who was more than just a little upset at all the crap email he was getting.

Pine didn't have much in the way of "spam filtering" back in 1994... hell, on VAXen it didn't even have a working config editing screen.

Re:Another clueless journalist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678444)

I'm pretty sure he is referring to the scope of email. It wasn't until 1995-6 that email and the Internet started taking off in the public. Up until that point it existed mostly in the academic and technical communities.

Re:Another clueless journalist (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678476)

What current form is that?

Quoted-Printable encoded Unicode over IMAP! Back in 1994 they were still using 7bit ASCII over SMTP, with Fetchmail if they were lucky! Savages...

I give it 50 posts before..... (1)

Mattygfunk1 (596840) | about 11 years ago | (#5678370)

... someone posts his private details here.

I have no sympathy at all though.

______________
cheap web site hosting [cheap-web-...ing.com.au] for you and for me

Re:I give it 50 posts before..... (1)

dattaway (3088) | about 11 years ago | (#5678388)

If that guy didn't want to post his private details, I'm sure someone else would. Like me.

Dumb spammer should have known communities he invades tend to defend themselves. He needs to go to hell and live among his peers.

Re:I give it 50 posts before..... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678422)

Maryland Internet Marketing LLC aka George Alan Moore Jr aka Dr. Fatburn
300 Twin Oaks Road, Linthicum MD 21090-2154

877-655-3438, 410-963-8226, 410-691-2924, drfatburn@aol.com drfatburn12345@cs.com, formerly maknuthin@aol.com

The info is public Domain, from the SLAPP website: http://www.barbieslapp.com/others/fatburn.htm

Re:I give it 50 posts before..... (2, Informative)

MadSwede (181322) | about 11 years ago | (#5678441)

Maryland Internet Marketing LLC
George Alan Moore Jr
300 Twin Oaks Road
Linthicum MD 21090-2154
877-655-3438
410-963-8226

Re:I give it 50 posts before..... (-1, Redundant)

dattaway (3088) | about 11 years ago | (#5678507)

Will posting this get me sued?

Maryland Internet Marketing LLC
George Alan Moore Jr
300 Twin Oaks Road
Linthicum MD 21090-2154
877-655-3438
410-963-8226

How about discussing the pros and cons of pig shit and cow shit as lawn fertilizer?

No, but this might! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678536)

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stars visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 years ago, very
space opera) solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet,
178 billion on average) by mass implanting. He caused people to
be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-Bomb on the
principal volcanos (Incident II) and then the Pacific area ones
were taken in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic area ones to
Las Palmas and there "packaged".

His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading
data by means of circuits etc. was placed in the implants.

When through with his crime loyal officers (to the people)
captured him after six years of battle and put him in an
electronic mountain trap where he still is. "They" are gone.
The place (Confederation) has since been a desert. The length
and brutality of it all was such that this Confederation never
recovered. The implant is calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc)
anyone who attempts to solve it. This liability has been
dispensed with by my tech development.

One can freewheel through the implant and die unless it is
approached as precisely outlined. The "freewheel" (auto-running
on and on) lasts too long, denies sleep etc and one dies. So be
careful to do only Incidents I and II as given and not plow
around and fail to complete one thetan at a time.

In December 1967 I knew someone had to take the plunge. I did
and emerged very knocked out, but alive. Probably the only one
ever to do so in 75,000,000 years. I have all the data now, but
only that given here is needful.

One's body is a mass of individual thetans stuck to oneself or
to the body.

One has to clean them off by running incident II and Incident I.
It is a long job, requiring care, patience and good auditing.
You are running beings. They respond like any preclear. Some
large, some small.

Thetans believed they were one. This is the primary error.
Good luck.

Ah (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678371)

He should move.

Spammers safety (5, Insightful)

geekguy (97470) | about 11 years ago | (#5678373)

The threatening phone calls are a bit much, but as far as the junk mail goes, it sounds like he dosn't like the taste of his own medicine. Spammers are people too, althow they are a lower form, and no person should have to fear for there life. Can you spam a spammer, yes. But please keep it at that.

Re:Spammers safety (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678474)

+ Insightful

Re:Spammers safety (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678484)

Actually, I support using violence against spammers. All the built-up aggression from spam over the years can be released by a baseball bat and finding just ONE spammer. Aaah.

Re:Spammers safety (5, Insightful)

Angry White Guy (521337) | about 11 years ago | (#5678546)

The threatening calls are agreed, a bit much, but there are laws in place to prosecute this. Don't forget he is a businessman, providing a service, and people have a right to bitch about his service; if they break the law in a conversation with him, it's up to him to deal with it accordingly, but pissing and moaning "Why Me?" is not going to get him any sympathy, nor any cash.

This guy is a bottomfeeder of the Internet. He is no more than a script kiddie, except that he is profiting from his actions, many which could be questionable and IMHO, should be deemed illegal. Spammers in general (I won't comment about his M.O., as I can neither confirm nor deny that he uses open relays, subversive methods to foil spam detection algorithms, which should be a violation of the DMCA in the US) use weaknesses in the current implementation of e-mail to furhter their own cause, and their wallets. I do not see this as a legitimate business, any more than web defacement is. It is because of his bending of the laws that he is hated. His business practices are questionable, plus he is guilty of doing the exact thing that he is complaining about. Check out this this article [internet.com] about his posting of people's personal information on the web.

even if he deserves it... (-1, Insightful)

Horny Smurf (590916) | about 11 years ago | (#5678374)

our Constitution is built to give rights to people for whom rights aren't popular. I don't like spammers, you don't like spammers, nobody likes spammers. But, because he is so hated, posting his personal information wouldn't be allowed by the courts.

Of course... but... (5, Insightful)

Zathrus (232140) | about 11 years ago | (#5678375)

They certainly should enjoy privacy protections. And, to my knowledge, they're enjoying exactly the same ones that everyone else has, which is pretty much none at all when it comes to a private individual posting information.

Now if he was physically attacked, injured, etc. as a result of his address being posted then he could possibly sue Mr. Uy for endangerment, have him arrested for being an accessory, etc. but otherwise he's fighting a rather weak legal battle. Especially when he abuses the very same lack of privacy of millions of other people.

Frankly, I don't have much problem with his address being posted. You reap what you sow. If he wasn't such a scumbag it wouldn't be an issue.

Re:Of course... but... (4, Insightful)

luzrek (570886) | about 11 years ago | (#5678459)

Spammers should know better than anyone else the privacy is dead. He should have known better than to do anything which would have gotten people irritated at him.

As far as I know, the laws restricting businesses from calling you at home (at least in my state) don't apply to private individuals. I would say that the publication of Mr.Uy's home address would be covered under the First Amendement, and I think that simply publishing a list of the home addresses of spammers' home addresses and phone numbers would be. However, if such a list was published on a sight telling poeple to go kill the spammers then it would be akin to the much talked about "hit-list" of abortion doctors and would therefore be illegal.

Karma is alive and well (4, Interesting)

Jailbrekr (73837) | about 11 years ago | (#5678376)

You reap what you sow. This is an EXCELLENT tactic against spammers. They have absolutely no defense. Basically, they are being opted into a dead tree mailing list. If they want to invoncenience us, we can invonvenience them.

business address vs. home address (5, Interesting)

ecalkin (468811) | about 11 years ago | (#5678385)

firstly, whatever you feel about spamming, using your home as a business address in this kind of endeavor is just stupid. it's hard to feel sorry for him on that point.

secondly, i believe that *any* business that doesn't want/hasn't had real person (not voicemail, answering machine, po box) contact info published should be investigated for fraud.

e

paging Dr. who-gives-a-fuck (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678387)

STOP BITCHING ABOUT SPAM AND TAKE IT LIKE A MAN. THEFT OF RESOURCES MY ASS! IT'S JUST FUCKING EMAIL. HIT THE DELETE KEY IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, GROW A PAIR OF BALLS, AND GET A FUCKING LIFE.

*_s_a_d_d_a_m_*_*_s_a_d_d_a_m_*_*_s_a_d_d_a_m_*_*_
s_/_____\______How's__\____My______/____\_______s_ _
a|_______|__Collateral__\_Damage?_|______|______a_ _
d|_______`.__Call_1-800-FUCKOFF___|__N____:_____d_ _
d`___M____|_____________|________\|__U__A_|_____d_ _
a_\__O____|_/_______/__\\\___--___\\__K_R__:____a_ _
m__\__M___\/____--~~__________~--__|_\_E_A_|____m_ _
*___\______\_-~____________________~-_\__B_|____*_ _
s____\______\_________.--------.______\|_S_|____s_ _
a______\_____\______//_________(_(__K__\___|____a_ _
d_______\___.__I____)_________(_(___O___|__/____d_ _
d_______/\_|___R_____)/_SHOCK\_(____R___|_/_____d_ _
a______/_/\|___A_____)___AND_|__(___E___/__\____a_ _
m_____|___(____Q_____)\__AWE_/__//__A_/_____\___m_ _
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*____|_\____\____)___`----___--'_____________|__*_ _
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d___|___U__R___/_/____|_MOABalls|__\____U_U____|d_ _
a___|__C__A___/_/______\__/\___/____|___C__S___|a_ _
m__|___K__N__/_/________|____|_______|__k__L___|m_ _
*__|______C___|_________|Pipe|_______|_____I___|*_ _
*__|______E__|__________|Bomb|_______|_____M___|*_ _
*__|_________|__________|____|_______|_____S___|*_ _
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Odd (4, Insightful)

Gyorg_Lavode (520114) | about 11 years ago | (#5678389)

Spamming must be one of the few businessess where the business doesn't want anyone to know where they are. I really can't believe a company could have legal backing to hide from those people who it impacts. I don't think the spammer has any right to privacy from people expressing displeasure at his 'service'.

Should spammers get some privacy protection too?" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678398)

no.

Chemical Ali. Dead. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678401)

Chemical Ali was found dead in his Basra home. A MOAB was found in his tuchus. Even if you aren't a whiny eurotrash America hater, there was no denying his murderous exploits. Truly a slashbot icon.

Re:Chemical Ali. Dead. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678446)

In related news, Saddam Hussein is still dead!

whois lookup (0)

tmonkey (531274) | about 11 years ago | (#5678402)

granted if the information given in the Whois directory (a.k.a all information relating to the registration of his domain) is correct, isnt this information freely available on the web anyway?

As ye sew (1)

Deton8 (522248) | about 11 years ago | (#5678408)

It should not surprise anybody that, in absence of meaningful government action, some clever people are taking the law into their own hands and attacking spammers with any means at their disposal. Rock on, I say. There is a threshold of offense to society at large which has been crossed long ago by these bastards.

reverse situation (5, Insightful)

selderrr (523988) | about 11 years ago | (#5678410)

I run a small business from home too, and until recently, my kids used the same computer for games as I did for my mail. The amount of obscene spam i receive from guys like him made my buy an extra iMac for the kids.

If he doesn't respect my privacy, i honestly can't sympathise with him either. As harsh as it may sound, I often have the impression that spammers are like kids : you can talk & explain all you want, but unless you send them to their rooms to cry out loud for a while, they won't stop being naughty.

Re:reverse situation (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678465)

since you have kids, here's a tip.... Don't let "uncle" rob "CmdrTaco" nambla babysit....

Re:reverse situation (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678486)

A simpler solution might have been password protecting your email application and/or giving your kids their own email address. It sounds to me that you used that as an excuse to convince your wife so you can have the computer all to yourself. Not that I blame you but you can be honest with us.

Spammers... (4, Insightful)

danro (544913) | about 11 years ago | (#5678414)

Spammers should have the same privacy protection as everyone else.
Rights apply equally to scumbags too.

But that won't stop me from giggeling with glee of course.
How do you like them unsolicited calls, dead trees, emails and sms messages now mr Spammer sir?

Re:Spammers... (4, Insightful)

nuggz (69912) | about 11 years ago | (#5678479)

Yes.

And when I publish my business address I have no reasonable expectation that someone should treat it as private information.

Operation Enduring Freedom FAQ updated! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678417)

Q: Prohibited Chemical weapons were found in Iraq, indicating 2 weeks of war was more effective than 10 years of weapons inspections. Now that Iraq has conclusively been proven to be in violation of UN directives, and possesses chemical weapons, will France be supporting the liberation of Iraq?


A: No. France would only support the Coalition if chemical weapons were used. Note, however, that their support was limited to supplying white surrender flags.

Re:Operation Enduring Freedom FAQ updated! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678511)

Prohibited Chemical weapons were found in Iraq

Got a reference?

spammers home address = business address? (1)

8282now (583198) | about 11 years ago | (#5678418)

If he's foolish enough to list his home address as his business address, of course he runs the risk of exposure. Is it not his fault for using personal information?

By letter of the law ... (1)

Christianfreak (100697) | about 11 years ago | (#5678428)

They can, and they should, but everyone who has gotten spam from him should counter-sue for taking their personal information as well.

Uy is a slashdotter... (5, Informative)

heytal (173090) | about 11 years ago | (#5678435)

His journal can be found here [slashdot.org]

The Journal also has the address of Moore.. enjoy..

Oh the irony of ironies... (-1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678437)

Let's see if we can delve into this spammer's thought process...

Day 1: Hmm.. I'll buy this CD of 38 million guaranteed email addresses and send them all viagra emails! If even 1% buy I'll be rich!

Day 2: Lots of emails going out.. not much of a response yet.

Day 3: Woohoo! People are buying my viagra! Let me send out another batch to everyone just in case they didn't read it the first time..

Day 4: Why am I getting all these catalogs I didn't order? Firearms, sporting goods, dolls, tools, what is all this crap? HOW DARE SOMEONE SEND ME SOMETHING WITHOUT MY PERMISSION! I'M GONNA SUE!

Protection? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678447)

> but the guy's business address turns out to be the same as his home address, so there may be real safety concerns. Should spammers get some privacy protection too?"

Spammers don't deserve any privacy protection. They make money collecting and using personal addresses without any consent from the legit owner. I would expect at least to see them paid with the same money. Fsck 'em all!

now that we know where he lives... (1)

andih8u (639841) | about 11 years ago | (#5678450)

How about someone going out to his house with some wire cutters and taking care of his internet access. Should save the web a few million spams a day

spam privacy? (1)

pigscanfly.ca (664381) | about 11 years ago | (#5678452)

spammers do not deserve privacy . Once they decided to take our contact information and contact us without our concent they have given up any sense of privacy for the receiver of the spam and people need to be able to contact these spammers to : a) give them a peice of there mind b) ask to be removed from the spamming list (wont work) c) sue them and get them to stop sending spam

Should Spammers get some privacy? (5, Interesting)

Noryungi (70322) | about 11 years ago | (#5678453)

I read that question and I thought "WTF? Spammers to get privacy? No way!!".

The Internet is, before anything else, a system based on sharing and cooperation. Which is what makes it so interesting: people who know what they talk about post interesting information on all kind of subjects, and enrich a global discourse.

Linux/Open Source systems are the best example of this: they were made possible -- and became a force in the computing world -- through sharing and cooperatino. For instance NetBSD added "Net" to "BSD" to reflect its root in the cooperation made possible by the Internet.

On the other hand, spammers do nothing but abuse the resources of the system and inundate people with messages that are othing more than complete scams.

Abusing the cooperation and the good will of the global Internet, and using its resources in an unlawful way (it's a scam, remember?), is IMHO, enough to forfeit all the protections that should be enjoyed by all on the Internet.

Would you protect the privacy of a live-and-still-at-large criminal? I think not. Would you protect the "privacy" of a con artist, knowing full well that he may rip off another person behind your back? I think not.

Remember this: spammers are swindlers. Period. No privay for the wicked, says I.

Besides, sending thousands of email messages per day, on a network known for it lack of security and authentication is just asking for trouble... (Proof enough that they are stupid as well as dishonest!)

Also interesting: go to Cryptome [cryptome.org], and read all about two scam artists of a different kind: these two do not spam, but they swindled the public by offering snake-oil security products. Very, very interesting and recommended reading...

Slightly Off-Topic (4, Interesting)

epicstruggle (311178) | about 11 years ago | (#5678458)

Graphic images appearing unbidden on PCs by way of e-mail in-boxes could qualify as evidence of a "hostile work environment," something that's prohibited by federal employment law.
Porn spam--legal minefield for employers [com.com]

"Just as an employer has a duty to protect from patrons and other people--like the (delivery) guy who fondles a secretary--there's a good theory saying a company has a duty to filter (offensive e-mail) even if the employees are being harassed entirely from far outside the company walls," Volokh said. "If the employer is reasonably capable of filtering the material, and if it doesn't do that, it would be held liable."

Wow, interesting how spam could be the basis for a hostile work enviromnet lawsuit.

later,

Two Wrongs Don't Make A Right (5, Insightful)

TrollBridge (550878) | about 11 years ago | (#5678468)

As tempting as such delicious retribution may be, you can't believe that returning his violation of your privacy (the spam) with a violation of his (death threats, etc.) will have any positive results beyond a temporary feeling of satisfaction.

Remember what we learned in kindergarten: two wrongs don't make a right. I'd say spamming is an acceptable (and decidedly amusing) way of getting your message to him, but when it puts him and his family at risk, you've gone too far.

Re:Two Wrongs Don't Make A Right (1)

gorbachev (512743) | about 11 years ago | (#5678554)

What wrongs?

Yu didn't do anything but post his contact information on the web. His website didn't incite harrassing him nor did he personally ever spam him.

You might recall that even the abortion clinic doctor hitlist was considered legal...

What the good Doctor Fatburn (that's his nickname) is doing here is nothing but a SLAPP suit. A very typical spammer tactic.

Proletariat of the world, unite to kill spammers

What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678470)

In what parallel universe is it either ethical or moral to post somebody's personal information in public like that? Anybody who whines about privacy and then turns around and posts people's full home addresses and telephone numbers on Usenet is a worthless hypocrite.

Some thoughts (1)

gr8_phk (621180) | about 11 years ago | (#5678473)

Spammers (as people) should not be singled out and treated differently under the law. Don't we all wish we could be exempted from junk mail? Threatening phone calls should be dealt with under existing law. If there are too many of them to allow practical enforcement, then the spammer should have to consider that a hazard of pissing people off for a living. If it's illegal to disclose contact information, then the spammer is guilty too.

Thems ma random thoughts on this.

No! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678478)

Should spammers get some privacy protection too?

No!

ahem...speaking as an 'Anonymous Coward'.

A Line Has Definitely Been Crossed (4, Interesting)

Mortanius (225192) | about 11 years ago | (#5678480)

I feel that Uy (who seems a bit self-righteous in the first place) has definitely crossed a line with this. While junk email is surely annoying, it's also purely electronic, a simple press of the delete key and it's gone, you can continue with your work unencumbered. With this guy giving out his home address, though, Moore is, as the article states, receiving packages, piles of junk mail, threatening phone calls, the works. Email can't blow up in your face; unmarked brown packages can. His personal (and his family's) safety has been compromised, willingly and knowingly (now) by Uy.

The fact that his business address is the same as his home address does cast some doubt on this, as Uy may not have intended to give out Moore's home address, but from what I gather, he knows now, and has still refused to take down the information, so it's not so much of a point anymore.

Just because you don't like someone or what they do, they still have rights. Uy is walking a dangerous line, it would seem, his fate is in the hands of the masses right now. If harm befalls Mr. Moore, Uy's going to be in a spot of trouble.

Re:A Line Has Definitely Been Crossed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678564)

Considering that a home address is public record and typically is available free for the asking in the county tax records somebody who really wanted to harm this guy wouldn't need the site to do it. I also don't know any court in the US that would convict Uy unless he was activaly involved.

in case of slashdotting (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678488)

Maryland Internet Marketing LLC,
George Alan Moore Jr,
300 Twin Oaks Rd,
Linthicum MD, 21090-2154,

877-655-3438, 410-963-8226, 410-691-2924

Interesting (3, Interesting)

Quill_28 (553921) | about 11 years ago | (#5678490)

Seems like everybody is saying this guy has no rights because he a spammer(the lowest life form).

What if this guy spoke harshly about the government, would you feel the same?

If he was an abortion doctor would he feel the same?

If he was a communist would you feel the same?

I find it almost humorous the people who rail for rights until they disagree.

The question is can you do to anyone what was done to the spammer. Not whether or not he was a spammer.

One side or the other folks, no sitting in the middle.

Boy, is he in trouble now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678493)

Mr. Moore thought he'd seen a big backlash from activists from a website posting. I wonder if he's ready now that he's been slashdotted....

Spammers revel in anonymity (1)

gorbachev (512743) | about 11 years ago | (#5678495)

The best way to get the sociopaths to understand the concequences of their actions is to strip them of their anonymity and watch in awe as the Internet community acts to punish the thieves.

I'm all for vigilante actions, if the laws can't protect us.

Proletariat of the world, unite to kill spammers. Remember to shoot knees first, so that they can't run away while you slowly torture them to death.

Re:Spammers revel in anonymity (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678541)

The "sociopaths" in this and most cases are people who post personal information to NANAE and other public forums.

Don't forget that SPEWS "revels in anonymity" as well. They are just as cowardly and sociopathic, if not moreso than the spammers.

Should spammers get some privacy protection too? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous CowWord (635850) | about 11 years ago | (#5678498)

No. Why should they? not like they are running an honest business. If they *are* in fact so legit and honest, I don't see why they should have to worry about privacy protection. Thousands of addresses are out there on the net, I don't see those people whining. People don't go about harassing someone for "fun" (unless you are a criminal I suppose but spammers aren't complaining due to criminals attacking them). The only reason people hate and go against spammers is because the business of spam is interfering with their day to day life and they are pissed off. To those who think spam is not annoying and should "just be deleted", you are morons. By the same logic, 10 pop-ups coming up on EVERY site should "just be closed" too. Do you think thats justified too? If you do, chances are, you are one of these low-life spammers and your address should be up on the web too.

Lawsuit may expose spammer to more trouble (3, Interesting)

StandardCell (589682) | about 11 years ago | (#5678502)

As the details of this lawsuit are revealed in court, Mr. Moore may find himself the target of other problems. If it's revealed in court that he committed a criminal act, such as criminal conspiracy or being an accessory to fraud like what the FTC is chasing down these days, the judge could very well refer the case to a DA for criminal charges. Even in the article, Symantec accuses him of advertising warez. Mr. Uy, the anti-spammer, would do himself well in his counter-defense to bring up any such activities.

Make no mistake, the entertainment value of this case could have far-reaching implications. Mr. Moore will also find out quickly that dissemnation of publically-accessible information is protected free speech. The golden rule rides again...

Yes, Some Protection (1)

4of12 (97621) | about 11 years ago | (#5678510)


I still like the idea of anonymous email, although with the high level of spam it's likely to go the way of the passenger pigeon before long.

The reason is that anonymous expression of ideas is a helpful way of tearing down any kind of repressive political regime that relies upon controlling free expression and feeding people its own version of reality.

Too many places in the world still suffer from suppression of alternative points of view. For that reason anonymity is worth preserving, even if spammers can hide behind it.

That said, since spammers want to connect you up to a particular sales transaction, there's no reason why any individual shouldn't be free to dig down to find out who the spammer is and to publish that information.

So I'm in favor of anonymous email, but don't mind if a spammer is found out by the spam that he sends.

as soon as spammers provide a legit reply-to (1)

AwesomeJT (525759) | about 11 years ago | (#5678512)

Yeah, if spammers don't provide a way to contact them by email, then any other means will do. People should sue the spammers for endangerment of their families if they run a high risk business like spamming from their own homes. So, I won't have to waste so many trees getting my point across (and other businesses legit catalogs), spammers should provide a legit reply-to (ie, when Hell freezes over). The spammed can fight dirty too. :-)

Lets all buy a stamp (0)

Ozor (592387) | about 11 years ago | (#5678530)

Send him back al our junk mail. I heard a neat idea long ago about junk mail. If they are pre-stamped just send them back with false information. HahahahhHHah

Probably no basis for the lawsuit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678534)

There is probably no basis because I think this was added:

"You have agreed to have your personal contact information made public either by me or one of my marketing partners."

Maintain Privacy regardless (1)

Tukz (664339) | about 11 years ago | (#5678535)

Regardless of what, he got a right to maintain "anonymous".
Spammer? perhaps, yet that dosnt give some other guy the right to publish his HOME address.
I would had been able to understand if he subscribed his email address to some spam central,
but publishing his home address is crossing the line.

Everyone got a right to maintain anonymous if they so wish. (they cowardly, yet still a right)

A few cents from me.

Mr Douche Bag (1)

Geekbot (641878) | about 11 years ago | (#5678540)

Mr Douche Bag makes money by harrassing people at work and at home. Makes his money by sending fraud and probably porn to your mom and your 12 year old kid.
Who the hell cares if people know where he lives. He has it coming. 100% has it coming. Unless he is going to be charged for all that harrassment, he's getting off easy. Because it's the rest of us that have to pay for all of his harrassment of us.
I think this strategy is excellent for dealing with domestic spammers until legislation is put in place to put these guys behind bars.

sure (1)

VanillaCoke420 (662576) | about 11 years ago | (#5678550)

I want them to have rights too. All they have to do is stop spamming us all to death, and presto! no one wants them harm anymore! I think it's a pretty good deal. In fact, I think I'll send some spam about it. "Tired of being hated just because you're a spammer? Here's the solution..."

Re:sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5678565)

Sounds like blackmail or extortion to me.

The Nuremurg Files precedent (5, Informative)

egoff (636181) | about 11 years ago | (#5678563)

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals let the The Nuremburg Files website stay online [wired.com], which depicts pictures of aborted fetuses and had a "hit list" of abortion doctors. Even though at least one doctor on the list had been murdered, and his name was crossed out on the list, the Court still saw that this was free speech. If that could stand, surely this website is well within the bounds of the law
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