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A Title To Replace "Systems Administrator"?

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the bofh-wasn't-good-enough dept.

Technology 709

sjanich writes "A discussion has begun at SAGE on an updated title to replace "Systems Administrator". I figure more sysadmins are reading Slashdot than are reading SAGEwire. Rob Kolstad of SAGE wrote: 'What in the world do we call the collective group of those people who make computers work properly? I'm not talking about users, and I'm not talking about software developers. I am thinking of: system administrators, LAN administrators, network administrators (both kinds!), security administrators, e-mail administrators, desktop support groups, database administrators, and all the other kinds of support that keep the IT function of an institution running -- what is this huge group called?' My favorite options are "Computer Infrastructure Practitioner" or "Computer Infrastructure Specialist". The original discussion can be found here at SAGEwire."

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A Title To Replace "Systems Administrator (3, Funny)

Threni (635302) | more than 11 years ago | (#5688971)

Wanker?

Re:A Title To Replace "Systems Administrator (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5689132)

how about just plain admin, personally it covers all the bases

Re:A Title To Replace "Systems Administrator (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5689140)

I was thinking more along the lines of "jerk-off who won't give me access to *"

last post (-1, Offtopic)

joe_bruin (266648) | more than 11 years ago | (#5688973)

no, first!

(logged in, no less).

Re:last post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5689020)

oh well, maybe next time.

joe_

Joke (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5688976)

What a friggen joke. Why not call them network engineers. Seems like every profession has stolen the engineering name to make themselves seem more important, why not IT people too?

Re:Joke (4, Funny)

more fool you (549433) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689028)

like MCSE? oh, you were talking about IT

Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5688977)

Would a nerd by any other name smell as foul?

how about (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5688979)

System Controller

frist psot!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5688980)

woohoo!

1st post? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5688982)

OMFG what a lame ass topic, sorry, but wtf is wrong with sysadmin?

You call them... (5, Funny)

esanbock (513790) | more than 11 years ago | (#5688986)

The unemployment line.

Um... (4, Interesting)

lommer (566164) | more than 11 years ago | (#5688988)

Computer Techs?

Seriously though, what's wrong with all the current names for these people? It's not like "Computer Infrastructure Specialist" is less verbose, which is the only problem I see with the current designations. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Re:Um... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5689094)

No. A computer tech is the guy who replaces bad modems in eMachines at Best Buy.

I got one (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5688989)

"Guy with a Small Penis"

rolls right off the tongue!

What's wrong with the status quo? (4, Insightful)

abh (22332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5688990)

What's wrong with the current titles? I mean, if someone tells me they're a network administrator, I have a pretty good idea. If they say they're an e-mail administrator, likewise.

Why replace useful titles with some generic contrived name?

Re:What's wrong with the status quo? (1)

mcdrewski42 (623680) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689024)

How about "Alpha Geek" or "Guru". That seems to work in our organisaion...

As for what goes on the business cards, that's a management w@nk.

-d

Re:What's wrong with the status quo? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5689039)

because they are becomming too common place. Everyone now knows what a Sys Admin does. As well as IT guys, etc.

If they make it more complicated their status goes back up to where they know more than the average person...

systems adminstration practitioner (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5688991)

or sap for short

title (1)

mwolff (594593) | more than 11 years ago | (#5688994)

Information Services Manager.

Re:title (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5689124)

Nope. That's a PHB. Not a BOFH or a PFY.

name (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5688996)

computer monkey

Oooh La La! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5688998)

Oooh, I got one...

BOFH!

If I ever got into the IT profession... (1, Troll)

i_need_no_nick (577071) | more than 11 years ago | (#5688999)

I'd insist on a job title of "Lord Uber-Geek". Rolls right off the tongue!

Re:If I ever got into the IT profession... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5689115)

I would perfer "Lord Uber-Alpha-Geek" Myself.

Re:If I ever got into the IT profession... (1)

JesseL (107722) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689123)

I've had no luck getting anyone to call me "The Great and Terrible Root".

In addition too not instead of? (5, Insightful)

dtolton (162216) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689002)

I read through the posts on SAGEWire and as I was reading them,
some of the things he mentioned like a Salary Survey would still
want to get a specific title. The reason for this is the
differences in salaries between a Database Administrator and an
E-mail Administrator can be vast.

Maybe if we look to the medical field we can get some insight.
They have the term "General Practitioner" or "Family Doctor" as
a broad term that applies to many things. However the
specialist terms such as "Cardiologist", "Neuro-Surgeon",
"Ortho-pedic" still apply. So in that sense the title conveys
some very useful information. You definitely want to know if
you are hiring a Cardiologist or a General Practicioner for that
open heart surgery.

In that vein I would be in favor of adding terms along these
lines:
System Generalist
Computer System Generalist
Server Generalist

Perhaps you could break it down by category, this would still
offer a more generic, but allow for some categorization:

Software Generalist Hardware Generalist

Re:In addition too not instead of? (0)

frankmanowar (583879) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689107)

Salary differences are really important, but sometimes hiring employers don't realize that a database administrator is really very capable of running, and often does run, other types of systems that aren't listed in the job heading. Sysadmin is great because it is broad enough to mean "I make the things work that I need to work, and some other stuff besides." But then it's a matter of checking salaries and getting recommendations from employers...

So really, adding more jargon to the names is not going to help weedle things down...you still want the employer to find out what you can do, and the employer is going to have to do legwork before hiring someone. I don't really see a reason then, to stop using sysadmin.

Frank

My suggestion (0, Troll)

chrisseaton (573490) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689003)

"Slashdotter", "/.er" for short

Network administrator? (0, Redundant)

cperciva (102828) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689004)

What's wrong with 'network administrator'? It seems to me that it covers the field pretty well, since 'network' is used to mean both the interconnect and the peripherals.

Re:Network administrator? (1)

Darth_Burrito (227272) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689143)

When I worked in ops at compuserve, often there was no "Network Administrator". Instead the required tasks were handled by several different groups of people with titles like Unix Engineer, NT Security Specialist, or NOC Technician. Also, the term Network Administrator doesn't tell you much about what kind of administration a person is doing. Some companies might call any of the obove positions a Network Administrator.

Pointless banter (5, Insightful)

jade42 (608565) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689005)

Why do we humans have the need to have these great sweeping titles for everything. Sometimes, if it is not broken, do not fix it. All we need is another word to stick in the part of our brain marked 'useless stuff'.

Where I work.. (5, Funny)

AsnFkr (545033) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689007)

I'm known as "bitch".

Re:Where I work.. (1)

BenTheDewpendent (180527) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689050)

My girl friends dad is the Sultan of Software.

I my self am a Microcomputer support Tech. I do sys administratation, take care of the network and server, etc. and various bitch work cause they don't like me sitting around waiting for something to break allday.

Descriptive (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5689010)

Keep it simple and descriptive:

technological janitors.

I never get called unless something's fucked up, and nobody gives a damn
what I do until it's broken. My job's just about as glamorous too.

How abou this (-1, Offtopic)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689014)

.....system supporter [thisisacryforhelp.com] which sums pretty much what they do.

Re:How abou this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5689053)

Not funny. I don't need porn poping up on my work computer.

"unemployed" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5689015)

boooya

Ned Burns. (1)

JesseL (107722) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689016)

"Your Company's Computer Guy"

It's NICK Burns (1)

abh (22332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689056)

Not to be TOO anal, but at least if you're going to quote SNL, do it correctly.

Re:It's NICK Burns (1)

JesseL (107722) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689091)

I bow my head in shame. I'm really much better at Simpsons quotes.

That's Nick, buddy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5689078)

not Ned

Re:Nick Burns. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5689138)

Jimmy Fallon (JIF)- Nick Burns
Jennifer Aniston (HOST)- employee
Horatio Sans (HOS)- employee
Chris Kattan (CHK)- employee

HOST- Damnit! It crashed again. Hey, did somebody call Nick Burns, the computer guy?
HOS- I called him about a half hour ago; he told me to hold my horses.
CHK- I don't like that guy.
HOST- Well you know what, I don't like this new program. It's crap. I don't know why we switched. (JIF enters)
JIF- Because the new program is written for OS8 and can function twice as fast; is that enough reason, Nancy Drew?
(song- "Nick Burns, the company' s computer guy. He'll fix your computer, then he's gonna make fun of you, 'cause he's Nick Burns, your company's computer guy")
JIF- Okay, allright allright, what's wrong with the computers?
(Everyone talks at once)
JIF- Overload, overload! My processor can only hold one command at a time here.
CHK- I have a question Nick. I'm trying to do this cordially, I just, I can't get the stupid e-mail attachment to open at all.
JIF- It's the e-mail that's stupid, not you right? What does it say when you try to open it?
CHK- It just says that it can't find the appropriate program to open the file.
JIF- This is 6.0 version. You didn't upgrade yet, did you, genius? Just use your translation software.
CHK- Where's that?
JIF- Move! (sits and types) Done. Was that so hard? Boy, I'm so glad I came down here, it was totally worth my trip.
Who's next? (walks over to HOS) HOS- Hey Nick, how's it goin?
JIF- Oh great, really great. I love teaching people remedial computers here. Shouldn't you guys be wearing helmets or something?
HOS- I'm having trouble with my printer, all my stuff keeps printing on a printer in marketing.
JIF- Oh, is the walk killin you here buddy? Just get better shoes, that's all.
HOS- It would be easier if it were here. I have my print monitor up here.
JIF- Tried to use the print monitor huh? That didn't work did it? Print monitor, no.
HOS- No, it didn't.
JIF- That's cause the print monitor monitors the document you're printing. It doesn't tell the printer what direction it's going to go to. Just scroll your chooser.
HOS- That thing you pull down?
JIF- The thing you pull down? If you mean Apple file, yes. Do that.
HOS- I didn't know what it was called.
JIF- Obviously! Go to your chooser, go to the printer, pick your zone, and pick your printer.
HOS- Hold on, I'm in the chooser. Okay. Is this the zone here?
JIF- Move! (sits and types) See where it says "4" and "FL"? That's fourth floor, that's where we are. We're on the fourth floor. You pick that one. Was that so hard? Jeez Louise, I can't wait to get my MCSD and quit this job. (goes over to host) What's your problem?
HOST- Well, it just crashes every time my screen saver comes up.
JIF- Alright, let's run a test, just type in: XY.violator/467.f46
HOST- Type in...?
JIF- Move! (sits and types) Son of a... Okay, do you want me to save your game of minesweeper here?
HOST- No, you don't have to, you don't have to.
JIF- Okay thanks, yeah. Instead of playing a game, God forbid we read the manual? Have you people ever seen computers before? What I do here is press the letters and it manipulates the screen here and we have fun with it, okay?
HOST- Yeah, I know about computers, okay? I'm on the Internet at home.
JIF- Let me guess, you're on AOL?
HOST- Yeah, what's wrong with that?
JIF- Nothing, except it doesn't understand Javascript! (JIF starts laughing) God I wish someone were here who knew about computers, 'cause that would have gotten a laugh. (types again) Damn it crashed, what the heck is this? Move!
HOST- You're already sitting there. JIF- Yeah... shut up. Damn, what the hell is wrong with this thing? HOST- Uh- oh, hey look everybody, the great computer guy doesn't know what's wrong! JIF- I'll figure it out. Just trust me. I'll do it, right here. HOST- What's the matter there, wizard? Your new program not working?
JIF- It's not the program, it's not the program. Don't say that.
HOST- Oh no it's not? You're sure? You're sure?
JIF- I just have to check the recent applications........Did you install a Dilbert screen saver?
HOST- Yeah, I love Dilbert.
JIF- Well you already had flying toasters on there, there's a conflict. That's what's causing your computer to crash. Not our software. Damn I'm good.
HOST- I didn't know you couldn't have two screen savers.
JIF- Obviously. That's why our systems are corrupted here. Problem solved. (his pager beeps)It's those goofs over in Organizational Development. They make you guys look like brainiacs! I'm outta here... Oh, by the way, you're welcome! (song- "'cause he's Nick Burns, your company's computer guy!")

Acronymtastic! (5, Funny)

Quadrature (524139) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689018)

Network Engineering Responsive Dedicated Specialists

How about (1)

cranos (592602) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689022)

Omnipotent Being

Obvious (5, Funny)

CodeWheeney (314094) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689026)

You shall call them Sir/Ma'am.

Re:Obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5689130)


Odd. I just call them "boy"

I already have a title... (2, Funny)

rosewood (99925) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689027)

I just call myself a whore :(

I've Got One! (1)

The_Rippa (181699) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689029)

Unemployed?

Common usage (5, Insightful)

Telastyn (206146) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689032)

is IT guy. Nobody outside of IT, engineering and HR can even tell the difference between the job distinctions. Just like I cannot tell the difference between the different HR positions. They're all just HR people to me.

Commands power (2)

The Squish (557079) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689033)

Speaking as a non sysadmin I always reserve a little bit of reverence for the "sysadmin." I think the term has enough legacy and meaning to warrant thinking twice before changing it. Plus, it's a bit of a standard in a field where standardized titles are hard to come by.

BOFH (5, Funny)

SILIZIUMM (241333) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689034)

What about BOFH ?

Re:BOFH (1)

pgp4privacy (656621) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689122)

I second this nomination :)

Rob

How about... (1)

kaamos (647337) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689035)

... he who reads youe e-mail and has the power of to make all your data goo poof with a little clickety-click?

Then again, maybe just BOFH for....

oh wait...

umm... (1)

edrugtrader (442064) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689037)

"Computer Infrastructure Practitioner" is retarded. you are an "IT Specialist". deal with it.

stfu (1)

shawnywany (664241) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689038)

sysadmin stands for something!?! i always said s-y-s-a-d-m-i-n. so estafoo.

My preferred alternative is (1)

lww (323019) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689041)

BOFH :)

Remember the Crocidile hunter? Security guys are (4, Funny)

silvakow (91320) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689042)

John Dobson, h4x0r hunter, at your service. Aull roight, time to geht to work on this server. Oh, a skript kiddie, the worst koind!

Just work it out... (4, Interesting)

lakeland (218447) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689044)

System administrators, LAN administrators, network administrators, security administrators, e-mail administrators, database administrators.


What do all these terms have in common? That's right, administrator. And what about System, LAN, network, security, email and database. Well, you'd have to go for something generic like computer.


Voila, new term: computer administrator. Though personally I don't see what is wrong with the specific terms they had before.

We call them... (4, Insightful)

pjdepasq (214609) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689045)

what is this huge group called?

Highly desirable employees.

Ow Ow Ow, I Got One !! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5689049)

Former Systems Administrator?

Computer Guys. (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689051)

Thats what they call me. And other people who work in Computer Department.

Re:Computer Guys. (1)

bbk (33798) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689104)

I put my occupation as "Computer Guy" on my tax forms. Since I do EVERYTHING (purchasing, system integration, server maintainence, writing software, helping users), I figure it was the only thing that was appropriate.

I know it's really general, but it does fit.

Each person should have the right to choose (4, Interesting)

Blaine Hilton (626259) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689054)

There are so many names that are possible. I see two solutions. One is where people can make up whatever title they choose, this is basically what's happening now, except only the managers and other bigwigs get to decide. The more thoughtful practice though would be to set some (inter)national standards, much like the W3C web standards. That way if you carry a certain title, it means a certain something, not like now where anybody can (and do) say they are anything and that really doesn't help anyone either.

Admin? (0)

Uber Banker (655221) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689055)

> I'm not talking about users, and I'm not talking about software developers. I am thinking of:
> system administrators
> LAN administrators
> network administrators
> security administrators
> e-mail administrators
> database administrators
> and all the other kinds of support [admin...]

He asks "what is this huge group called"

My answer is administrators. Given you don't want to include secretaries, security or the mail room staff, then system administrators seems a pretty good name. Uh, so we could alter that to Sys Admin....

Perfect solution!

Whipping boy? (2)

thynk (653762) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689059)

How about IT whipping boy/whipping girl? I've been shooting for "Lord High Master Of All Known Reality (tm)" for a while now, but no one in my group seems to buy it.

At least I'm no longer the "Sub Assistant Junior Whipping Boy".

huh, I guess I must be a whore for the company (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5689060)

huh, I guess I must be a whore for the company since I had to do all of those things. Nah, for real a sysadmin does all of those things.

Here Are A Few (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5689066)

Here Are A Few [see subject jackass]

1) Diaper-wearing nigger
2) Zionist hanky-boy
3) Poopcicle
4) Four-eyed dick-faggot
5) Douche
6) Condom-eating twat
7) Cumdumpster
8) Cross-dressing jew-bags
9) Stinky arabs

Well, what do you think? Any other suggestions?

Gaylord Fawker? (-1, Troll)

TommyTyker (605166) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689071)

Or perhaps Hooche Moma (however you spell that

I have never seen the need to mess with titles (1)

LupusUF (512364) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689072)

Perhaps at this point in time "system administrator" does not fit a lot of people with the title perfectly, but it has worked for this long...I don't see the need to change it.

People are always trying to monkey with titles. When I was in high school the store I worked at had a janitor who insisted on being called a "custodial engineer" Just leave titles alone and stop trying to confuse people.

I'd rather a raise instead... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5689073)

But, hey, if you'll settle for a spiffy new title...

The one, the only... (0, Redundant)

Elgon (234306) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689074)

...Bastard Operator from hell! [theregister.co.uk]

Elgon

A sign (Freak on a Leash!) (2, Funny)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689077)

As soon as I saw this story, WinAmp started playing "Freak on a Leash"

powerful new title (1)

SourceHammer (638338) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689079)


How about change the title to to "one with all passwords reading everyone's email."

how bout (1)

orionsnebula (265666) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689080)

cable monkey !

Dumb Brother/Son (1)

Qacker (658930) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689081)

I am the sysadmin for my home computers. My sister is always on AIM so whenever there is a problem it's always me that has to fix it. Never a nice word is sent my way oh well somebodys got to do it.

All titles are bullshit (1)

Audent (35893) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689083)

I get to hear them all - from "evangelist" (marketing manager) to "chief cheerleader" (comms manager) to vice president in charge of watching America's Cup yachting, please interview him so we can put his holiday to your sunny islands on our business expenses.

the old adage is true - the longer the title the less the person does. If you administer systems, then you're an system administrator. You're not an entrenching tool.

i got some (1)

bravehamster (44836) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689084)

Digital Plumber
Electron Wrangler
High Priests of the Binary Church
iDoctor

Scientific Classification (0, Flamebait)

Noexit (107629) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689085)

dorkus maximus

I'll tell ya (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5689088)

> what is this huge group called?

Systems Administrators

Just sign me "Source Code Creating Fool" (aka Software Engineer).

My Suggestion is... (5, Insightful)

linuxwrangler (582055) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689089)

System Administrator.

I'm sick of all this puffery like domestic engineer (housewife), sanitation technician (garbageman), administrative assistant (secretary).

According to dictionary.com a system is "A group of interacting, interrelated, or interdependent elements forming a complex whole." Sounds pretty accurate and all-encompasing to me.

If you can't be proud of the work you do without changing its name you have a lot bigger problems than your job title.

In This Post Dot Com Environment........ (1)

The Dobber (576407) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689093)

Survivors Of The Implosion

Wait a sec... (5, Funny)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689095)

...you guys actually get called by your title? I usually get called "the internet's down".

My experience (5, Insightful)

Obiwan Kenobi (32807) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689098)

I've been sys admin'ing now, professionally, for over 5 years. I love my job.

I've had many titles over that period of time, and they include:

Computer Operator
LAN Administrator
Systems Administrator
Systems Analyst
Computer Technician
Network Analyst
Web Developer
and finally,
Network Administrator

The latter is my current title, though they're about to slap and additional one (Web Developer) on there as well. I have no problems with that, though regardless of my Network Admin/Web Dev status, I will still be called out to fix a printer, or switch out RAM, or go through old RS/6000 logs looking for some stray error message.

I've worked all of my sys admin jobs at financial institutions. I've worked for both banks and credit unions (credit unions have the edge, in my experience), in groups large and small. The largest group was about 8 guys, the smallest just me and my boss. They both have their problems. But that's not what this discussion is about.

This discussions is about how to label a guy who can't really have a label. Technician is so vague that it doesn't carry merit. Specialist too suffers from the same thing. Stick "Computer" in front of them, and you still have the vagarities that reek of any title that a job may provide you with.

Most places, unless they're Conglomerates (and all that that implies), want you to go above and beyond. This means that sometimes titles are left by the wayside as you throw a box in your car and hightail it to a destination, ready to provide that quick fix.

This discussion is moot and pointless in my opinion. Network Administrators and System Administrators will, in small shops, most likely be doing each others job at least part of the time.

No title is infallible, no title can encompass everything that you do or provide. Do not look for one to do so, because it does not, and can not, exist.

21st Century Plumber... (1)

Blackbrain (94923) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689099)

...I make the Internet go.

At least that's the way I explain it to my relatives.

Unfortunately (0, Redundant)

radpole (39181) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689101)

"Unemployed"

Sure, Ive been a * Admin (1)

dydxjessedydt (590130) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689102)

I am sure I am not the only one who feels they are a combination of a "Network Admin", "System Admin", "Web Admin", etc. I guess the title of my last job depends on the title of the job that I am applying for.

admin (0)

thierno (635164) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689103)

ADMIN

Avid Doyen Maintainer of Integrated Networks
;-P

How's about... (1)

La Camiseta (59684) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689108)

All of the computer illiterate folks just call us God, while between each other we just keep the old names we're used to like DBA, Sys Admin, Net Admin, etc.

After all:
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
--Arthur C. Clarke

Maintenance (1)

not-quite-rite (232445) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689109)

How about "Computer Janitor"

And it works for specialisation as well.

See : "Network Janitor", "Software Janitor",

Etc

(Well it beats Nerdy-Smelly-Guy-Who-Acts-Superior-To-People-Who-D o-Other-Stuff-Besides-Computers)

Don't forget most sysadmins are just support crew...

how about all in one wonder? (1)

tim0thy (585890) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689117)

How about the all-in-one-wonder? Nowadays, with companies downsizing and only keeping the bare minimum amount of people, system/network admins have to be wearing multiple hats anyways.

we call ourselves (0, Redundant)

Glass of Water (537481) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689118)

geeks.

Why does it need replacing....Is it broken? (2, Interesting)

Dimes (10216) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689119)

While my professional title changes per job(currently 'Sr. Systems Engineer"...oooo, impressive huh? ;)), my resume has said Systems Administrator for a while now. Personally I worked very hard to get that title.....and feel no need to change it. Sounds like the same as giving Unix a new name cause no one really knows what it means or is...what really matters is that the people who hire me(and they have yet to stop doing that) know exactly what it means and how important I am to them.

So? why do I need a new title?

Dimes

Titles are not the problem (4, Insightful)

Kefaa (76147) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689126)

The difficulty with titles is the are often usurped by people who believe they do the same thing. Human Resource departments have become expert at this.
Programmer - codes programs
System Administrator - Reboots computers. Called when mail not working or I cannot open Outlook or the network is down.
etc.

Rather than look for a new name, they should be working on describing a lists of talents, duties, and capabilities that define a system administrator. This should be augmented with a level of competence to allow for Junior Systems Administrator, Systems Administrator, Senior Systems Administrator, and finally Master Systems Administrator.

It probably also needs two paths. One Unix/Linux and one Windows. You could probably even make an argument for splitting Unix/Linux if you wish.

I have taken this approach internally and it has smoothed things greatly. Now when I speak with HR, and tell them I am looking for a Systems Admin they know what criteria they need to look for. A global standard would only make it that much easier for everyone.

Name? (1)

pyrote (151588) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689127)

System Administrators has a nice ring to it.

More syllables than most of my customers can deal with, and it gets the point across.

No offence, but is this a slow news day or something?

...Who cares? (0, Redundant)

BHearsum (325814) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689129)

A name is a name and just that...Your not going to get more important all of a sudden because you have a new title.

Why not what every sysadmin wishes to be called? (4, Funny)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689133)

"God."

When you want the impossible, call upon the... (1, Funny)

DNAspark99 (218197) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689135)

Systems Alchemist

long titles == low status (4, Interesting)

wfmcwalter (124904) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689137)

There's a strong inverse correlation between job title and importance. Influential, important people have jobs like "doctor", "lawyer", "president". Doctors _aren't_ called "advanced internal healthcare treatment professional". Consequently, if you want to sound like a lowly prole with a job title that's supposed to make up for your tiny salary, get yourself a long title full of "power" words.

And my job description? I'm a

God (1)

Triumph The Insult C (586706) | more than 11 years ago | (#5689145)

i've heard it a few times. otoh, i'm sure i probably get called the devil to balance it all out
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