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45 comments

Liberals are gay (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5693332)

It's true! Just ask one!!

firs.... (-1, Offtopic)

xijix (143366) | more than 11 years ago | (#5693334)

I can't help myself...

You drop the bomb on me (-1, Offtopic)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5693336)

The FP bomb.

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5693337)

first post

Oh great (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5693378)

Because we all want to read the midless drivelings of your average netizen. OMG LOL AIMBOT SUX0R. OMG WTF BBQ. 1337.

Re:Oh great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5693454)

FP! AFAIK IANAL
mmmkay; point taken, dude! :-D

Been there, been done by that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5693650)

JonKatz once wrote a collaborative book with the slashdot community and I didn't even get a steenking t-shirt out of it!

And a big STFU Katz! out to all you oldskool slashdotters!

What a bunch of FAILURES (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5693387)

Line 'em up against the wall!!!
(except for that liberal gay guy who got fp; he's Sooo CUTE! :-D)

Chapter one (-1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 11 years ago | (#5693408)

All work and no play make Homer a something something ..

Re:Chapter one (1)

Fegster (654780) | more than 11 years ago | (#5693469)

Chapter two though is all about /. yay! Will the book be free to download as well?

Saddam Hussein statue, dead at 12 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5693426)

I just heard watched a live report on CNN. A statue of Saddam Hussein (D-Baghdad) in central Baghdad has been torn down by Iraqi civilians and American soldiers. Saddam's head was last seen being dragged through the streets of Baghead, ridden by jubilant Iraqis. Even if you are a whiny eurotash America hater, there was no denying his murderous exploits. Truly an (honorary) French icon.

Re:Saddam Hussein statue, dead at 12 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5693483)

I favor a strong French role in post-war Iraq. Their companies can be given contracts to clean the 101st Airbourne's latrines.

IRAQ Liberated! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5693535)

I know it is a sad day for all you Linux Losers, Euro-Trash appeasers and Peace Protester assholes. Iraq is liberated, Bush is vindicated ant US/UK took very few casualities. I know all you liberal fags secretly wished the impossible dream that Iraq would win, Sddam would be a hero and the Americans would have thousands killed.
Sorry guys, but we kicked ass without your useless help. It must suck being from an insignificant worthless Euro-Trash country. You are all Neville Chamberlain clones-spineless cowardly appeasers. Well you all are the ones who look so stupid now that Iraqis are hailing US/UK forces as liberating heroes. They are literally dancing in the street with their new found freedom.
How does it feel to be so terribly wrong? To be a damn coward? To having to look yourself in the mirror knowing that you are a pathetic excuse for a human being?
asswipes!

Re:Saddam Hussein statue, dead at 12 (-1, Offtopic)

Saddam Hussein (625956) | more than 11 years ago | (#5693540)

I'll get those bastards, just you wait.

Will bad ideas ever stop being implemented? (2, Interesting)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 11 years ago | (#5693440)

The only collaboration necessary in writing is from fact checkers who verify the veracity of the content and an editor who makes sure that the author doesn't look like an idiot who can't spell 'lose' and 'definitely'.

If you are acting in either of these capacities without getting paid, you are a sucker.

Re:Will bad ideas ever stop being implemented? (2, Insightful)

Oscar_Wilde (170568) | more than 11 years ago | (#5697519)

I might have miss read that but do you mean to say that helping produce a book/reference without being paid is stupid? What about the joy of knowing that you've helped further other peoples knowledge?

Better tell the Wikipedians [wikipedia.org] that they are suckers before they waste any more of their time.

Sounds like an odd idea.. (3, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 11 years ago | (#5693459)


I really can't see O'Reilly publishing a book replete with l337sp34k, goatse.cx links and old "In Soviet Russia.." lines, but what do I know?

Re:Sounds like an odd idea.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5693495)

][|\| $0\/|3+ R|_|$$][@, B00k$ P|_|bl][$|-| 0'R][3lly!!!!

I'm glad that I read the outline so... (3, Insightful)

jj_johny (626460) | more than 11 years ago | (#5693461)

I don't have to buy the book. Not that its not a bad idea its just another one of those "here is this story that points out this fact or direction or whatever". Not that these aren't entertaining if the writer is good (i.e The New New Thing was good) but it really is like reading a newspaper put into a book. (And if wanted that I would buy the Onion's century in review.) And these get oh so stale. I cringe at some of the drivel that still is sitting on book shelves at the local B&N or Borders about new technology that is so wrong, dated and such a waste of paper.

Hope the best for the author but I will not be buying it.

And why put out a book when you have perfectly good web publishing tools, money perhaps??? So for all the talk in the outline about news being different on the web, its really not for the authors - weblog != money for authors.

Re:I'm glad that I read the outline so... (2, Interesting)

an_mo (175299) | more than 11 years ago | (#5696527)

I think you're missing the point. This is not a manual for news publishing. This book is trying to describe and advocate a new way to make news (not books). The target readers are (I think) journalists, news makers, news corporatinons, and what he is trying to say to them is that they can't ignore the possibilities opened by new technologies (such as slashcode).

If you understand this, then you understand than a printed book is a legitimate outlet: this book needs to reach those who don't normally read stuff on the net.

Open Source Book writing/collaboration tools (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5693463)

Does anyone know of any open source tools that facillitate writing a book using a large group of dispersed people?

Re:Open Source Book writing/collaboration tools (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5693619)

Yes there is! http://cwriter.org

Dead Tree Blog (3, Insightful)

stanmann (602645) | more than 11 years ago | (#5693471)

The real question is, how many people will pay to read what basically amounts to a Paper bound version of slashdot. Understandably, everyone who contributes will want a copy in order to see his name mentioned in the contributors section, but will this be particularly profitable for O'Reilly otherwise?

GO HOME HUMANSHIELDS YOU U.S. WANKERS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5693485)

An actual banner I saw on CNN being carried by some Iraqis in Bagdad. It looks like the HUMANSHIELDS part was originally printed on the banner (perhaps part of a domain name? Maybe that's why it's one word.) The remaining words were spray painted on.

I hate hippies. Go home, you wankers. Linux sucks.

Hey Slashdot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5693490)

Why don't you post the fact that as Baghdad falls and Saddam staues fall, Iraqi citizen's are dancing in the streets?

Oh, but that would be good news and we all know your position on the war. Sorry, Taco, you bet on the wrong team.

New Media/Old Media (1)

rf0 (159958) | more than 11 years ago | (#5693547)

To me this looks like another old media giving way to new media. The internet is bringing us all together etc. New levels of information freedom *cough*. I thinks its a cool idea but I do hope there will some examples of how the internet hasn't yet beaten things like TV for getting information across to a wide audience quickly and effectivly

Rus

great plan (5, Insightful)

Photon01 (662761) | more than 11 years ago | (#5693573)

These guys at must be geniuses:

1. Get loads of idiots online to collaborate on a book
2. Publish book
3. Idiots from (1.) will want to buy the book they are in ....
4. Profit!!!!

PS. is it just me or is slashdot very slashdotted today?

Re:great plan (1)

Galvatron (115029) | more than 11 years ago | (#5694216)

is it just me or is slashdot very slashdotted today?

It's not just you. It was pretty bad yesterday too. Periodically Slashdot has been slow ever since the server move.

Re:great plan (1)

geek42 (592158) | more than 11 years ago | (#5694465)

Is this the practical version of an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of typewriters?

infinite number of monkeys (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 11 years ago | (#5700078)

That's harsh.

On the monkeys.

You write and he takes the money? (3, Insightful)

watzinaneihm (627119) | more than 11 years ago | (#5693589)

Hmmm...
I wouldnt mind contributing but what do I get for it? Looks lkike I still will have to buy the books to get any info.
I rather like the Bruce Eckel [mindview.net] model, he publishes the book online, anybody can contribute online(though your contributions might not make it to the paper version), and you only have to pay if you want a paper copy of the book. Almost like GPL.The end result does look good.
Or maybe the Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] model More like BSD license.

Collaboration: good. Lulu.com (3, Informative)

firewort (180062) | more than 11 years ago | (#5693719)

Collaboration is a good thing. It's the foundation of things like the Free Software movement, and Open Source movement. It's how performers make good music.

Arguably, it also produces a lot of trash, but hey, there's a market for that, too.

The interesting thing here is that O'Reilly is taking this up with Gillmor. Not everyone can get published by O'Reilly, so what's a regular guy to do? Use Lulu.com, a new site founded by Bob Young, formerly of RedHat [slashdot.org] . You register as an author, and your collaborators register as an author, and you can all submit chapters to each other's books for collaboration. Then you can set price for online, print, or cd distribution, collecting an 80% royalty. No other publishing deal I know of sets an 80% royalty to the author.

Or choose no royalty and set the price for online distribution to free. Books can be published under any license you like, just place the copyright page with the license you like in the book when you upload it.

Re:Collaboration: good. Lulu.com (1)

firewort (180062) | more than 11 years ago | (#5694009)

That link in the middle, the one that isn't active:

LULU.COM [lulu.com]

Insert a warning to new writers. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5693729)

New writers should be made aware that the advancements in spam-filters are also advancements for big brother to get ahold of to pick and choose what articles to filter in or out. When spam-filter work well on electronic mail, what is to stop them from work on normal network traffic.

collaboration is good. (2, Insightful)

firewort (180062) | more than 11 years ago | (#5694032)

re-posted because I missed catching URL errors in preview. DOH.

Collaboration is a good thing. It's the foundation of things like the Free Software movement, and Open Source movement. It's how performers make good music.

Arguably, it also produces a lot of trash, but hey, there's a market for that, too.

The interesting thing here is that O'Reilly is taking this up with Gillmor. Not everyone can get published by O'Reilly, so what's a regular guy to do?

Use Lulu.com [lulu.com] , a new site founded by Bob Young, formerly of RedHat [redhat.com] . You register as an author, and your collaborators register as an author, and you can all submit chapters to each other's books for collaboration. Then you can set price for online, print, or cd distribution, collecting an 80% royalty. No other publishing deal I know of sets an 80% royalty to the author.

Or choose no royalty and set the price for online distribution to free. Books can be published under any license you like, just place the copyright page with the license you like in the book when you upload it.

Moderators, please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5698152)

You post two identical comments (save for links that you spell out in one post, then turn them into clickable links in the second), and get + rated on both?

Re:Moderators, please (1)

firewort (180062) | more than 11 years ago | (#5707364)

Hey, I chose no karma bonus when I posted. I wasn't asking to get modded up on the second one, I just wanted to get the links right.

OMG (2, Funny)

hrm (26016) | more than 11 years ago | (#5694753)

"In the Age of the Internet"

For one ghastly moment I thought Jon Katz was posting again!

gak, barf (1)

AdamBa (64128) | more than 11 years ago | (#5695968)

Hmmm, I read the outline and didn't see the chapter about "What if it's just a big ol' fad and we're all smoking crack?"

I like his intros to each paragraph summary. "Something happened! Clueless old media farts ignored it! Hip, happenin' bloggers circle-linked it to death! Hilarity and/or new paradigms ensued!"

I suppose if I actually felt it would make any difference, I would write a long piece about why this will not fundamentally change journalism, and submit it to Gillmor. But I suspect he is already too far down the path for it to have much of an effect.

- adam

What about plastic.com? (1)

an_mo (175299) | more than 11 years ago | (#5696737)

Can the /. model be ported to topics other than tech news? What do you guys think about the failure of plastic.com? After 2 years, the site is essentially unknown to the general public and established media (unlike slashdot). I am doubting that this model of journalism can be successful when the readership is not so nerdish as in /. or kuro5hin (which has an even more complex method). I wish it weren't so but I think the facts seem to be speaking.

PS on a side note, I think the /. crowd is missing a chance to be constructing. Most posts are complaining about the article and are entirely missing the point of the proposed book [slashdot.org]

"Blogging" is speech, not necessarily journalism (1)

OneInEveryCrowd (62120) | more than 11 years ago | (#5698021)

I don't think it's fair to say that plastic has failed. They still have daily posts with a good number of responses. Probably the reason plastic is less popular than /. and kuro5hin is due to its generalist nature. Basically I could do what they do sitting in the break room with a newspaper and my coworkers. Even back in the 80s specialization was viewed as the formula for BBS success. Although kuro5hin is more general than /. I would say that its high percentage of user written content makes it unique. For example, the user written science fiction short story a few days ago.

Although blogging/BBSing/cmc/etc is journalism in some instances, mostly its just conversation. Since I don't believe that the letters to the editor page is the ultimate in public discourse, I consider this a good thing and not a bad thing.

What about a collaborative movie? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5697342)

I just made one [fanta.dk] .

Collaborative Fiction (1)

asn (4418) | more than 11 years ago | (#5697777)

There are a lot of collaborative fiction sites around including http://www.prosebush.com -- check it out.... Mostly crap, but every once and a while a few people get together and create some great stuff.

Jane's failed to post promised Slashdot article? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5698945)

Anyone got the URL for the promised article (was promised to appear in Dec 2002, with free web access)?

I can't find it at the site.

Using Jane's site search with entry "Slashdot" pulls up a log in request page. Trying to register (which wasn't part of Jane's promise) gets a response that they aren't requiring logins now. Clicking "continue your visit" brings me back to the exact same login page again - infinite loop!

Was their promise to the Slashdot community a sham?

Last Post! (0)

alpg (613466) | more than 11 years ago | (#5796788)

I have a box of telephone rings under my bed. Whenever I get lonely, I
open it up a little bit, and I get a phone call. One day I dropped the
box all over the floor. The phone wouldn't stop ringing. I had to get
it disconnected. So I got a new phone. I didn't have much money, so I
had to get an irregular. It doesn't have a five. I ran into a friend
of mine on the street the other day. He said why don't you give me a
call. I told him I can't call everybody I want to anymore, my phone
doesn't have a five. He asked how long had it been that way. I said I
didn't know -- my calendar doesn't have any sevens.
-- Steven Wright

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