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Wired on Hollywood's Elite Message Boards

chrisd posted more than 11 years ago | from the where-the-elite-meet-to-crush-pipsqueaks dept.

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superflippy writes " Wired journalist Ben Mezrich gets the scoop on the online forums that film producers and other Hollywood heavyweights use to "track" the buzz on spec scripts, actors, writers, etc. "The tracking boards are the herd mentality gone digital," says one tracker. This helps explain how dreck like Kangaroo Jack makes it to theaters."

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264 comments

AC flames kill movie projects! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714009)

One detractor? A single, semi-anonymous comment can sink a script?

Imagine what a goatse redirect would do!

New Movie About Chinese Espionage in USA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714140)

Here's a question for Ben Mezrich. Which Hollywood film producer will be the first person to create a documentary for the latest spy scandal: "Ex-FBI Agent Resigns Post at Nuclear Weapons Lab [washingtonpost.com] "?

Apparently, yet another Chinese with American citizenship has sold out the United States of America (USA) to China, the country which she really loves. The Chinese plotted and connived her way into the upper echelons of the Republican party and its operatives in the FBI. She succeeded in copying key documents about American national security and passed those documents to Beijing.

To understand why an American of Chinese ancestry would betray the USA, please read "Why Chinese are Different from Westerners [slashdot.org]

Re:AC flames kill movie projects! (0)

fussman (607784) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714159)

Immagine what a on-topic troll (you) can do!

Re:AC flames kill movie projects! (4, Funny)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714212)

"One detractor? A single, semi-anonymous comment can sink a script?
Imagine what a goatse redirect would do!"


Remind George Lucas that he's got room to make 3 more movies?

Re:AC flames kill movie projects! (1)

Alan Holman (607935) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714331)

Is a goatse redirect when someone posts a link to their site [bananachan.com] which they think is on topic, but someone else doesn't think it's on topic? I think my site [bananachan.com] fits into this topic because the first five scripts on my site can combine to form an entire movie script. And those Elite hollywood message boards should take notice of my site [bananachan.com] because the scripts are ABOVE AVERAGE QUALITY!

Hackingthemainframe.com (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714010)

hackingthemainframe.com is a rather elite message board, if I may say so myself. Rock the Casbah! Rock the Casbah!

Interesting what an quick search turns up (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714012)

Maybe those "elite" boards are not so "3l33+" after all! [altavista.com]

Annoying flash ads (-1, Offtopic)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714015)

Did anyone get that incredibly annoying full-screen Flash ad when hitting the Wired.com front page? Holy shit, they're really hitting bottom now. And the best part is, if you click "Skip" the browser just hangs there and has to be closed.

I know times are tough and all, but talk about killing the golden goose (or something to that effect).

Watch what you say, this is slashdot. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714030)

Did anyone get that incredibly annoying full-screen Flash ad

No. Flash isn't free software therefore it is not installed on my machine.

Re:Watch what you say, this is slashdot. (0, Offtopic)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714106)

No. Flash isn't free software therefore it is not installed on my machine.

And I care because...?

But it *IS* free (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714152)

...Oh, you mean free 'speech'.

Well then, you're just an elitist fucktard.
HTH, HAND

Re:Annoying flash ads (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714038)

Try using this link [altavista.com] to by-pass the flash intro.

Re:Annoying flash ads (0, Redundant)

neurostar (578917) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714045)

Yeah, except for me, it just when I hit skip, it just goes back to it. I haven't been able to get to wired news all day :(

Of course, it could be that the ad is trying to place a nasty cookie on my hd. *thanks mozilla*

neurostar

Re:Annoying flash ads (1)

neurostar (578917) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714051)

...for me, it just when I hit...

Hmm... I'm not sure how that got there.

neurostar

Re:Annoying flash ads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714197)

If you were using internet explorer, your whole system would have crashed, and you would have needed to reboot. I know, because it happens to me every day @ school. Explorer lags, and then the whole system has to go down. I get to laugh and say I hate windows.

Re:Annoying flash ads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714381)

Did anyone get that incredibly annoying full-screen Flash ad when hitting the Wired.com front page?

Nope. I'm using Mozilla, but I'm sure that has nothing to do with it.

black people? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714020)

Whats up with all the niggers in the hizzouse in them there picture shows?

Re:black people? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714208)

you're melting

What?!? (2, Funny)

Glock27 (446276) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714022)

You mean there's something to watch besides the cable news networks?

Nah...back to Fox. ;-)

Re:What?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714228)

poop troll

Explains? (2, Funny)

ryants (310088) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714026)

This helps explain how dreck like Kangaroo Jack makes it to theaters.
Er, no it doesn't.

But since the linked article had eye candy, you get a pass.

Re:Explains? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714073)

This helps explain how dreck like Kangaroo Jack makes it to theaters.

He's right though, because before the internet there were only good movies. Wait a minute...

Kangaroo Jack made a decent amount of money -- that's why there has always and will always be crappy movies like it.

Re:Explains? (3, Informative)

Ptolemarch (11506) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714076)

This helps explain how dreck like Kangaroo Jack makes it to theaters.

Er, no it doesn't.

But since the linked article had eye candy, you get a pass.

It certainly does explain how Kangaroo Jack makes it to theaters.

On the second page [wired.com] :

"Likewise, maybe as a favor to an agent, I could post something like, 'I love this, my boss loves it.' That will create buzz, and quite possibly people will start bidding preemptively because they're afraid of losing the project."

Movie titles flash before my eyes: Bubble Boy. Kangaroo Jack. Dude, Where's My Car?

Re:Explains? (1)

ryants (310088) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714103)

Here:

flip [reference.com] .

(See the adjectival sense).

Hope that helps.

Re:Explains? (1)

ahaning (108463) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714383)

Can it explain this [imdb.com] ?

A sequel to Dude, Where's My Car?

Re:Explains? (0, Flamebait)

Jeff Probst (459812) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714077)

The tracking boards are the herd mentality gone digital," says one tracker. This helps explain how dreck like Kangaroo Jack makes it to theaters."
i don't want to sound like a party pooper, but herd mentality also explains why people think
  • linux is superior to windows,
  • we should be allowed to steal music and be left alone by the MPAA,
  • we should be allowed to steal movies and be left alone by the RIAA.
Before we all go off on a tirade about how unoriginal hollywood is, perhaps we should examine what happens on this very board.

Re:Explains? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714153)

i don't want to sound like a party pooper, but herd mentality also explains why people think linux is superior to windows,

Does it also explain why a person might think in simplistic black and white terms which do not allow for anyone to have different standards or needs than they themselves might have?

Re:Explains? (0, Offtopic)

localghost (659616) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714200)

# we should be allowed to steal music and be left alone by the MPAA,
# we should be allowed to steal movies and be left alone by the RIAA.


The MPAA doesn't care that much when I steal music, and the RIAA doesn't care when I steal movies. Now, if we were to switch those two around...

Also, you're wrong, but I don't feel like saying why, so I'll let someone else do it.

Re:Explains? (1)

bluesangria (140909) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714213)

I disagree. For one thing, none of our comments (sorry /.'s) are going to make a lick of difference to someone's career or income. Studio folks have to deal with making or losing millions of dollars. It tends to change the tone of the comments from the "I'll follow the herd mentality" to an "I don't give a shit what you think. You are so gay, blah blah" mentality. ;)

blue

missunerstood problem (4, Interesting)

twitter (104583) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714264)

The problem is NOT that Kangaroo Jack "makes it to theaters". The problem is that someone has the power to shove it onto everyone's screens while other quirky stuff never gets filmed and the vast majority of things that do get filmed never see a screen. The article's author gives us, "The truth is, I don't belong here. I am not a Hollywood player." The real truth is that there should be no such thing as a Holywood player. Theater owners should be independents who are able to pick and choose films suited to their own audience. In reality, some dorks in LA make a playlist.

Hollywood Execs are a bunch of Trolls (4, Interesting)

sulli (195030) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714028)

Clearly these execs are just overgrown kids with too much time on their hands wanting to mess with each other. In normal parlance, they're Trolls.

As everyone knows, a certain well-known site [slashdot.org] has a similar problem. Yet with the magic of Zoo [slashdot.org] , trolls can be banished [slashdot.org] with just a few mouse clicks! And as we all know, now slashdot is perfectly free of such ill-behaved creatures.

So the obvious answer is for Hollywood to use slash! Blacklist the Trolls, and we'll get better movies.

Re:Hollywood Execs are a bunch of Trolls (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714064)

Hello, cum-guzzler. I bet you read Playboy for the men's boxer ads, don't you?

Re:Hollywood Execs are a bunch of Trolls (5, Funny)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714067)

So, if I see a link on one of those boards to a film called "two hands and a stretched anus", does that mean I should NOT click on it? ;^)

Re:Hollywood Execs are a bunch of Trolls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714086)

Ideally that movie would appear at random in the middle of the latest Jerry Bruckheimer dreck.

Re:Hollywood Execs are a bunch of Trolls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714216)

Coming this christmas.

He was a man.

He was an icon.

He was Goatse

Starring Pauly Shore as the nutsack!

Re:Hollywood Execs are a bunch of Trolls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714248)

Thou trollest the best to thy abilities.

Re:Hollywood Execs are a bunch of Trolls (2, Funny)

Alan Holman (607935) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714313)

Blacklisting people hurts their feelings, so don't blacklist anyone, especially me, please!

To Live and Die in L.A. (-1, Offtopic)

EpsCylonB (307640) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714034)

To Live and Die in L.A.

That was a great film.

So true... (5, Interesting)

MrCaseyB (200218) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714037)

I read this guys book "Bringing Down The House" I enjoyed every page of it. I read this article he has written about hollywood fuckwits, and it all seems farely believable.

Having to work around writers and executive producers and other people in the industry is a drain. You will never find a group of folks more full of shit. I completely agree with the article in that all the movers and shakers in the industry run on fear, constantly looking around to see what everyone else is doing.

Re:So true... (1)

sbillard (568017) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714214)

"Bringing Down The House" is a book about an MIT blackjack card counting team and their tactics/strategy. I agree - a very good read.
I submit this to clarify that the parent is not refering to the recent $100M movie with Steve Martin, Gene Levey, and Queen LaFaFatty.
I have a relative that works for a casting company. Some of the stories he has are just plain sad. The diluted and shallow nature of some of these people make me wonder how they can live with themselves.
Hey! All you self-important brats. Do us a favor and open a vein. Make room for some original material instead of giving us an automatic sequel to every money making hit.
Speaking of which, I wonder how long until "Bringing Down The House - 2" has an IPO on the Hollywood Stock Exchange [hsx.com] (the brainless comedy, not the blackjack book)

So now he can create a new book... (0)

ErikTheRed (162431) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714262)

about how a bunch of 1337 h4x0rz from 5l45hd0t trashed the bullitin boards that control the movie industry....

Re:So true... (2, Interesting)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714283)

Blackjack card counters are fools. So are any "professional" gamblers. With a similar investment of effort, a person could instead succeed at investments, or real estate, or any other enterprise. Cheating casinos is way too much effort for too little return.

Re:So true... (2, Interesting)

MisterFancypants (615129) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714389)

Blackjack card counters are fools. So are any "professional" gamblers. With a similar investment of effort, a person could instead succeed at investments, or real estate, or any other enterprise. Cheating casinos is way too much effort for too little return.

Um, try reading his book, or his older Wired article. I'm sure the people he covered in his book are crying about you calling them fools -- all the way to the bank, since many of them made millions of dollars.

That could exmplain it (2, Interesting)

Octagon Most (522688) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714039)

They certainly don't need to be doing research of any kind for the type of trash they are putting out these days. More like job justification for some "researchers" to troll message boards all day. But if their consumer preference model is based on the denizens of online message boards, that explains a lot.

MoviePoopShoot.com? (1)

kmac06 (608921) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714041)

MoviePoopShoot.com, anyone?

DUMBASS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714085)

Chute.

herd mentality (-1, Redundant)

AMuse (121806) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714046)

That's why I only watch indy movies. I like to steer clear of herd mentality. I don't put much stock in mainstream stuff anyway, since lately it's all bull.

Re:herd mentality (3, Funny)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714070)

I wanna be diffrent just like everyone else.

Re:herd mentality (5, Funny)

beerman2k (521609) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714074)

That's why I only watch indy movies. I like to steer clear of herd mentality. I don't put much stock in mainstream stuff anyway, since lately it's all bull.

You pretentious little fuck.

Re:herd mentality (1)

AMuse (121806) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714220)

Yeesh. I thought people would get the puns and not take my troll seriously.

Oh, wait. This is slashdot.

Re:herd mentality (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714258)

troll or not, you're a fucking fag for using the word "mainstream"

Re:herd mentality (1)

baryon351 (626717) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714089)

I've managed to end up quite cynical after the flood of crap I watched through the late 90s. I haven't been to a theatre or hired/bought/downloaded a movie since I saw The Sixth Sense - and I can't remember exactly when that was. I'm planning on seeing LOTR sometime after the third is out, however.

The amount of crap in movieland makes it all barely worth watching. blah

Re:herd mentality (1)

stubear (130454) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714145)

10 to 1 you're going to be one of the first in line to watch The Matrix: Reloaded.

Re:herd mentality (1)

Nick of NSTime (597712) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714180)

I only watch the movies I make. So there!

Re:herd mentality (1)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714230)

"That's why I only watch indy movies. I like to steer clear of herd mentality. I don't put much stock in mainstream stuff anyway, since lately it's all bull."

SLASHDOT

With special guest star: Lisa Simpson.

Re:herd mentality (2, Funny)

drunk_as_in_beer (661124) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714246)

That's why I only watch indy movies. I like to steer clear of herd mentality. I don't put much stock in mainstream stuff anyway, since lately it's all bull.

I don't watch movies at all, it's a waste of my fucking time.

And no, I don't consider "porno movies" actual movies so they don't count, but those don't waste much time as I just watch short clips.

Re:herd mentality (2, Funny)

Bicoid (631498) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714292)

That's why I only watch indy movies.


I don't only watch Indy movies, but I do have to agree that they are quite good. There are few movies as timeless as Raiders of the Lost Ark, that's for sure.

Re:herd mentality (3, Funny)

dimension6 (558538) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714305)

Actually, the next Indy movie is set to cost $130,000,000 up front (Indiana Jones 4, starring Ford and Connery, directed by Lucas and Spielberg). You're telling me that's not a mainstream movie??

"If the buzz is any indicator..." (5, Funny)

da3dAlus (20553) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714061)

"that movie's gonna make some huge bank."
"What buzz?"
"The Internet buzz."
"What the fuck is the Internet?!"

Gratuitous simpsons reference (1)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714081)

"that movie's gonna make some huge bank."

"What buzz?"
"The Internet buzz."
"What the fuck is the Internet?!"

"oh, the internet. is that thing still around?"

Re:"If the buzz is any indicator..." (5, Insightful)

MrCaseyB (200218) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714091)

I can appreciate your quote of Jay and Silent Bob strikes back, a guilty pleasure that movie was. Pure crap, but funny as hell.

On the other hand, your sig contained one of my favorite lines from Donnie Darko. What a spectacular movie Donnie Darko was.

Funny how these same hollywood dumb asses that spend their time trolling elite message boards, pumped millions in production and advertising to push a piece of crap like Jay and Silent Bob, but did very very little to promote a gem like Donnie Darko.

Subsequently, Jay and Silent Bob made a fortune at the box office, donnie darko did not do well at all.

Re:"If the buzz is any indicator..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714118)

Depends on your definition of "crap." If the movie is really funny, then it's not crap. It has fulfilled its purpose. It entertained people.

Re:"If the buzz is any indicator..." (1, Insightful)

deadsaijinx* (637410) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714178)

.... a guilty pleasure that movie was ... but funny as hell ...

Uhhh, doesnt sound like crap to me. You laughed, you found it pleasureable. It entertained people, it has done what it set uot to do in the first place.

What then constitutes crap? If crap means a ridiculous and incoherent story, then most of my favorite movies are crap (that includes JaSB:SB). Of course, if you mean that crap = not entertaining, then it is quite obvious that it wasn't crap.

Now i was argueing with a friend that Vertigo was a crappy movie. I found no entertainment in that movie what-so-ever. By my definition that makes it crap. However, it did have a deep and intrigual plot (supposably), and that would make it... not crap? of course, she finds the movie entertaining, and therefore, not crappy to her. But you say its funny as hell and entertaining, but then you say it's crap. (uhuh)

DEFINE CRAP

looks up crap : v - To defecate (dictionary.com)....

hmmm, nope, the movie did not defecate on me, therefore, it is not crap.

Re:"If the buzz is any indicator..." (1)

drunk_as_in_beer (661124) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714282)

I can appreciate your quote of Jay and Silent Bob strikes back, a guilty pleasure that movie was. Pure crap, but funny as hell.

All you motherfuckers are gonna pay. You are the ones who are the ball-lickers. We're gonna fuck your mothers while you watch and cry like little bitches. Once we get to Hollywood and find those Miramax fucks who are making the movie, we're gonna make 'em eat our shit, then shit our shit, then eat their shit which is made of our shit that we made 'em eat. Then all you motherfuckers are next.

Love, Jay and Silent Bob.

Re:"If the buzz is any indicator..." (1)

Sandman1971 (516283) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714323)

Errr, J&SBSB did not make a "fortune" at the box office. I think it brought in something like $30 million [the-numbers.com] . Blockbusters do that just in their opening weekend.

Not to say I didn't enjoy J&SBSB. I'm a big Kevin Smith fan and I really enjoyed the movie (for what it was: dick&fart jokes). Most of the 30 million was probably due to the cult following Kevin Smith has, and not advertising.

(BTW, I also really enjoed Donnie Darko)

I don't believe this... (4, Funny)

Wirr (157970) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714088)

nobody can be that stupid.
reading a board is one thing, basing your decesions on it another.
Then again, there is this anecdote from Terry Pratchett. He met a Hollywood executive who wanted to make a movie out of his book "Mort" (that is about Death taking on an apprentice). Here's what happened in the word of Pratchett himself:


"A production company was put together and there was US and Scandinavian and European involvement, and I wrote a couple of script drafts which went down well and everything was looking fine and then the US people said "Hey, we've been doing market research in Power Cable, Nebraska, and other centres of culture, and the Death/skeleton bit doesn't work for us, it's a bit of a downer, we have a prarm with it, so lose the skeleton". The rest of the consortium said, did you read the script? The Americans said: sure, we LOVE it, it's GREAT, it's HIGH CONCEPT. Just lose the Death angle, guys.

Whereupon, I'm happy to say, they were told to keep on with the medication and come back in a hundred years."

Re:I don't believe this... (1)

asparagus (29121) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714127)

Translation:

Hollywood: Do you want to play our game?
Pratchett: Go to hell.
Hollywood: Likewise.

The game is always interesting. People get too focused on it and not the end project, though...this is what leads to movies without a soul.

C'est la vie. It continues every day, with new faces and different names, but always the same. Hollywood has been trying to put itself out of business for the past century, always accidentally succeeding when it needs to.

Believe it. (5, Insightful)

rdewald (229443) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714149)

Remember, these people formerly made all of their business decisions at parties and in hot tubs. Mostly this is a crowd that confuses their ability to make money with being truly significant. They all operate under the same set of deluded assumptions about themselves, they're drawn to this type of community for the insulation from reality it provides.

This doesn't make them bad people, some of them are exceedingly decent human beings in terms of their personal habits, but the "creative" community in Hollywood is really dominated anti-creative forces and incredibly self-absorbed people. It's truly amazing we ever get any good movies at all.

OMG NOES!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714096)

HEAVEN FORBID that they actually look online at what ACTUAL PEOPLE want to see. Elitists...mafaaaaaaa!

I did a double-take when I saw this: (0)

anonymous loser (58627) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714098)

Ben Mezrich (bmezrich@aol.com) is the author of Bringing Down the House

I thought, "That movie with Steve Martin? WTF does that have to do with anything?" Then I realized it was referring to a book.

be a contrarian (4, Insightful)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714125)

Sounds like you could pick up some very interesting projects by being a contrarian; ie, getting the stuff that's getting poo-pooed on the boards and actually READING it; then picking it up for less than the project would've gotten if it were universally lauded.

Re:be a contrarian (1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714376)

The point of the article, though, was that you'd then get fired if the movie made less bank than "Titanic", because "everybody in the industry knew that movie was crap".

WTF? (4, Funny)

I Am The Owl (531076) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714130)

Are you guys just going to link to the articles in Wired's newest edition one day at a time?

Re:WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714304)

The clouds are becoming more threatening

They make movies like Kangaroo Jack (2, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714150)

Because it's the type of thing families take the kids to for a night out.

I'd bet more people enjoyed Kangaroo Jack than any given Star Trek film. It's stupid but funny and something to do with the kids on a saturday.

Sheesh, not everything out of hollywood need be an acclaimed arthouse fancy shmancy Cannes film festival fare.

Re:They make movies like Kangaroo Jack (1)

Lord Bitman (95493) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714170)

"Sheesh, not everything out of hollywood need be an acclaimed arthouse fancy shmancy Cannes film festival fare."

Fancy shmancy like StarTrek movies, for example.

Re:They make movies like Kangaroo Jack (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714183)

From the hooplah on slashdot, you'd think Star Trek Nemesis, Matrix, and the LOTR series are the pinnacle of the craft of filmmaking. IMO, it's more like Kraft.

(I enjoyed LOTR and Matrix, but understand the difference between art and pure entertainment. I also like Kraft dinner, so no Kraft employees need be offended)

Re:They make movies like Kangaroo Jack (1)

Nick of NSTime (597712) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714206)

Kangaroo Jack is a travesty because Hollywood's herd mentality leads them to make more movies like that instead of movies that people won't forget during the ending credits.

Re:They make movies like Kangaroo Jack (1)

MagikSlinger (259969) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714209)

I'd bet more people enjoyed Kangaroo Jack than any given Star Trek film

That's like saying you could kick Stephen Hawking's ass in a fight. If you want to make a comparison, chose a movie someone actually likes watching.

Re:They make movies like Kangaroo Jack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714290)

I'd bet more people enjoyed Kangaroo Jack than any given Star Trek film.

Kangaroo Jack gross: $65.83 million
Star Trek IV gross: $109.71 million

Re:They make movies like Kangaroo Jack (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714333)

Just because it's entertainment for children doesn't mean it has to be insipid.

AOL? (5, Funny)

heli0 (659560) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714157)

This helps explain how dreck like Kangaroo Jack makes it to theaters

I assume this means they rely excusively on the message boards of AOL customers?

Re:AOL? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714316)

They obviosly read slashdot too, because they just keep pumping out those awful Star Trek, Star Wars and now Matrix sequels.

It's funny that people here criticize Hollywoods artistic sense, when they've no doubt got a stack of comic books and yet couldnt name one Pulitzer winning author.

*BSD is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714164)

It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Anyone hack the site yet? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714177)

It might be interesting to have a fly-on-the-wall view of this site. Anyone found a way in yet?

Buying a script != shooting a film (4, Insightful)

bj8rn (583532) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714190)

Just because a company has bought a hyped-up idea, it doesn't nessecarily mean that they will shoot a film of it. I remember a guy who worked as a trainee in Hollywood talking in a newspaper about what he did there. He was one of those hapless people who had to read the freshly-written scripts and then give an evaluation of how good they were. This guy said that only a small number of scripts actually make it to production, the others are trash. He also said, though, that these rules don't count for big stars - if a script is good enough for Arnoid, it's good enough for his fans, too... This was about three years ago, so things may have changed over the time.

(Or maybe I just underestimate the stupidity of people)

Re:Buying a script != shooting a film (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714204)

OK, calling all hackers, your duty is being called upon... your target: Hollywood tracking boards. HAHA

Kangaroo Jack (4, Interesting)

Dr_LHA (30754) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714239)

This helps explain how dreck like Kangaroo Jack makes it to theaters.

That said Kangaroo Jack made money. It grossed $65 million in the USA alone, which matches its budget. Add in foreign releases and DVD/VHS sales/rental and you have a profitable movie. So what was wrong with it again? Oh yes - it was crap - but you know hollywood is a business.

that's outrageous! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714250)

Imagine if this sort of thing made it to other Internet boards. Oh well, at least it hasn't tainted the quality of radio.

Kangaroo Jack (5, Insightful)

kwiqsilver (585008) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714252)

That comment about Kangaroo Jack wasn't fair.
Don't blame the internet or even hollywood. Blame the people who went to see it. That movie was a success (as much as it might scare some of us), because for one reason or another lots of people bought tickets.
There have always been people making crap movies (and tv shows) and people who have what most of us would consider poor taste going out to watch them.
Hollywood isn't bringing down movie quality by only making crap like "The Core". Viewers are bringing down movie quality by watching crap like "The Core". Entertainment is an industry, they produce what sells.

Re:Kangaroo Jack (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714279)

That movie was a success (as much as it might scare some of us), because for one reason or another lots of people bought tickets

Kids.

Re:Kangaroo Jack (1)

msimm (580077) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714320)

Thats right. What is it? Beautity is in the eye..?

Like for instance Star Trek, wasn't really much of an internet to blame back then was there?

[ducks] ;-)

The hell? (2, Insightful)

Dirtside (91468) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714268)

This helps explain how dreck like Kangaroo Jack makes it to theaters
Bullshit. Dreck has been splattered across movie screens for as long as there's been movie screens. Retarded executives surrounded by yes-men are why dreck like Kangaroo Jack makes it to theaters.

I've got an idea... (2, Funny)

lowe0 (136140) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714270)

Perhaps we can send them some of our trolls.

I wonder what they'd do with the Stephen King or Natalie Portman ones....

(And before anyone suggests we send them the goatse trolls, that's a different kind of movie studio.)

OFFTOPIC - Hollywood (0, Offtopic)

hubbah (635375) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714286)

Michael Jackson's Nose to Host Own Talk Show

[ from http://stinkyshorts.blogspot.com ]

LOS ANGELES, April 11 -- The one and a half inch piece of pink plastic, familiar to television viewers throughout the world as Michael Jackson's nose, is to host its own talk show on the Fox channel. The star of "The Nose", set to run in May

The diminutive artificial limb, which has been known by the aliases "Holy shit, is that his nose?!" and "Oh my god, what is that thing?" is hitting the big time after starring in wildly popular television specials on Britain's ITV, as well as on ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX in the United States. The ABC broadcast alone pulled in 27 million viewers.

The new show, tentatively titled "The Nose," will provide "unprecedented, personal access to Michael's nose, in a timely, touching, personal manner, in a format that is a first for network talk shows," Fox said. Doing away with guests and talking altogether, the show will travel to a different city each week, where studio audience members will be allowed to take photographs with Jackson's nose, and in some cases, will be "invited to come up and actually poke it and squeeze it," the network said. Squeamish guests will be provided with six foot poles to use, if necessary.

"The Nose" will begin running sometime during the May television sweeps, possibly at the onset of the spring allergy season. While final arrangements are still being ironed out, as of last night Michael Jackson was said to be loosely attached to the project.

Today Slashdot, Tomorrow Hollywood's Elite BBSes? (1)

fruscica (637745) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714291)

The pitch:

Searching For The Next Reality TV Hit? Try Go_Ogle.

The CEO of the company behind open source software for online matchmaking, code-named Go_Ogle, has a bad case of comic plight: like many men, he wants to succeed in his professional life and also be the best boyfriend, and later husband and father, he can. In his case, achieving this balance is complicated by the magnitude of the stakes in the market for online matchmaking software.

And will be further complicated by company-affiliated actresses, who will routinely employ their beauty, and their charms more generally, to make a favorable impression on him.

To learn why leadership of the market for online matchmaking software is the gateway to early leadership of the market for lifelong learning and career services, which will be worth hundreds of trillions of dollars in the coming decades, see this prototype [opportunityservices.com] of the web site that will launch when the TV show is announced.

To learn why company-affiliated actresses will go to great lengths to make a favorable impression on the CEO -- and more about why they will be effective -- click here [opportunityservices.com] .

To learn how the CEO and his girlfriend will creatively struggle to make their relationship work, click here [opportunityservices.com] .

Thoughts? Is Hollywood ripe for an open source comedy?

There's nothing wrong with Kangaroos (1)

BladeMelbourne (518866) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714328)

I'm just an Australian (who uses Linux :-), portrayed incorrectly in that infamous Simpson's episode (with the toads, the boot, ocre accents, etc).

Skippy the Bush Kanagroo was a successful, long running series. Don't diss the kangaroos, unless you are talking about the AFL football team.

to the Slashdot community, my plea for help (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5714345)

Dear Slashdot Readers
I use GNU/Linux and can't get a girlfriend, no matter what I do. From what I can tell, not too many of you have girlfriends either; I must make it clear right now that I do not want advice from you. I am seeking the advice of those who have consentual, regular, heterosexual intercourse with a well adjusted woman.

You may be wondering why I placed so many restrictions on the type of sexual intercourse. Being a GNU/Linux user, I can get all the men I want, but my ass hurts from years of anal sex. I am tired of pillow-biting. I have met women at Linux User Groups (LUGs) but they didnt want sex the way I wanted it - they brought their strap on and rode my chute like the men did. The date would end with her taking me to a gay bar and selling my ass to a drunk and bearded kernel hacker.

I am convinced, therefore, that I need to meet women that do not use GNU/Linux.

I have tried dating regular women, but find it hard to make conversation. I was surprised that regular women do not give a shit about Free Software or the Microsoft monopoly which leaves me with nothing to discuss. Some women tried to talk about the weather, but I don't keep up with the weather from my mums' basement.

I have had some success, I dated one girl several times. She picked me up from home, mum liked her. I am sure dad would have too, but he left us soon after I installed Slackware on the family computer. I can still hear him crying and see him moping around the house, saying "I knew he was different; I could handle a gay son, but this .... a fucking GNU/Linux hippy". He sounded so defeated. She wanted to go to the beach, but my skin is not adjusted to the sun and my skin peels while at the beach. This was not a turn on for her and when she came back to my mum's basement that night we were going to have sex but the raw skin was too much for her.

Going out at night for a meal can be difficult too; all restaurants refuse to serve smelly GNU/Linux hippies. The only place we can go for food is the McDonald's drive through, but she doesnt like waiting in her car in the heat of the day when I tend to smell the most. She doesn't like the stares she gets from the drive through staff.

I could go on, but I won't. I now seek your advice.

Thank you.

This just in... (2, Funny)

Stickster (72198) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714355)

Premiere Magazine [premieremag.com] has been reporting for years about how H'wood chooses and sinks projects. Now they do it at the speed of broadband. Thank god Wired was on the scene to break the story that someone in a big office now has a teenager.

A knock on the door of the KID's room, heavy, authoritative. The EXEC enters loudly.

EXEC
Young lady, you need to explain the bill for
your cell pho-- What's that?

KID
(glued to screen, typing)
I'm on a talkback board.

EXEC
I think you talk back plenty already.

KID
Dad! No, it's like when you want to discuss
stuff with people. You know, like movies or
stuff.

EXEC
Is this that Internet thing I keep hearing
about? Wow!
(beat)
You know, that gives me an idea...

Now we know how (2, Insightful)

notext (461158) | more than 11 years ago | (#5714368)

This [yahoo.com] came to be a good idea.
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