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Linux On Unmodded Xbox, Improved

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the ms-linux-ready-for-launch dept.

Linux 375

An anonymous reader writes "It looks like pSyCo from XEmulation.com Has found a way to boot Xbox Linux Live on an unmodified Xbox with nothing but an Xbox and Linux PC (no memory card of any kind, etc). Also a guide to using this method to flash your Xbox's onboard TSOP with the bios of choice, making the Xbox modded without an actual mod-chip. $5 to rent 007 to mod my xbox sounds nice =) Check it out at: XEmulation.net Forum or XboxHacker.net BBS. *Wonder what the DMCA would think about this...*" This builds on the "007"-based method discussed earlier. Update: 04/15 01:11 GMT by T : XEmulation.com, not .net. Sorry.

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I'm gay!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731111)

Just thought y'all should be the first to know!!!!

-1 redundant (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731180)

All first posters are gay.

Re:I'm gay!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731202)

Damn - that is a whack troll, bitch. You're a faggot, and most likely a loser as well.

Re:I'm gay!!! (1)

alwsn (593349) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731205)

I think we're all pretty happy about Linux on an unmodded Xbox. This will only mean good things for linux users.

no mods? (5, Interesting)

alwsn (593349) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731121)

What you'll need:

"Soldering Iron + Solder (and torx screw drivers)

Now you must open up your Xbox *which I don't think I need to explain how to do*, take out the motherboard, and solder the 2x2 jumpers. Now put everything back together, but leave the case top off, and keep the Xbox near your pc!


While this method might not require you to use a mod chip, it definately requires you to mod the xbox in that you have to take it apart, and solder stuff. The only think that will make me run linux on my xbox is if I can install a working system withou touching a screw driver.

happy troll Tues... hwuhhhhh?!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731212)

"The only think that will make me run linux on my xbox is if I can install a working system withou touching a screw driver."

The thought of this insightful first post [slashdot.org] and running Linux on my X-box ALWAYS makes me touch my "screw driver"!

MY SPHINCTER CLENCHES WITH EXCITEMENT! MOUNT ME! (-1)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731280)

Uhhn Uhhn Uhhn...ur tight as always, michael!!! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731319)

Re:no mods? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731284)

No, you misunderstand.

You can run Linux without flashing the TSOP.

You flash the TSOP so you can put on the hacked BIOS to play pirated (excuse me, "legitimate backups").

The BIOS is write protected, and can be made flashable by bridging a couple of solder points. This wont be overcome with any sort of sofware trick or backdoor. The BIOS just aint writable.

Of course, all you budding warez kiddies (excuse me again, Linux enthusiasts) need know that if you leave it bridged, your bios can be flashed at any time, like say from some joker who puts bios-destroying code in a file called "Halo 2.ISO" and uploads it to your favorite gene6 ftp.

If all you want to do is run linux, all you need is a copy of 007, and do the trick every time. Or, you can flash the linux bios onto the TSOP.

A smart person would realize that constant updates to the TSOP for different linux bootloaders is just asking for trouble. One bad flash and your xbox is a brick. You're much better off getting a mod chip, which required no soldering, or very dead-simple soldering to the LPC points (preferred, the no-solder ones jiggle loose).

Then you can switch it off.

Anyways. Dont think the majority of the chatter on these forums is really about running linux. It's about using linux as a "legal" front to getting a hacked bios on the box that allows warezed to be played. There are "fair use" backups, sure. You can use linux, sure. But 99.999999% of the posts on the forums are of the nature of "how do u copy renterd gamez?"

Oh yeah, buy a copy of 007 NOW if you want to do this, as an updated version of the game will no doubt be silently released (if it hasnt been already).

Re:no mods? (3, Informative)

drunk_as_in_beer (661124) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731407)

Of course, all you budding warez kiddies (excuse me again, Linux enthusiasts) need know that if you leave it bridged, your bios can be flashed at any time, like say from some joker who puts bios-destroying code in a file called "Halo 2.ISO" and uploads it to your favorite gene6 ftp.

So you should unbridge it once you are done with the flash?

Although everyone yells "warez" when they here about something like this, and it's probably true, there are some legitimate uses. Independantly written software is one of them, look at the Dreamcast [boob.co.uk] . Though, yeah, the Dreamcast is well known for allowing copies to run with no mods. I own one, though I don't have any pirated games, I run Linux and other free software on it. I would have to say the PSX was the most popular machine for playing copied games.

Re:no mods? (2, Funny)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731481)

It seems that /. could use a new topics logo for Piracy (perhaps modeled on the Pittsburgh Pirates logo?)...

Re:no mods? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731310)

hmms the flashing part is not for runing linux.
or you can say that it is for running linux if you dont want to buy the james bond game.
you only need to solder if you want to flash the bios with a mod bios. witch i must add is alot simpler than instaling a mod chip.

Re:no mods? (3, Insightful)

deanpole (185240) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731315)

Be glad we have to physically remove the jumbers to write the flash. It also means Microsoft can't "upgrade" BIOSes when connecting to Xbox Live. :-)

why so lazy? (1)

SHEENmaster (581283) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731323)

The only think that will make me run linux on my xbox is if I can install a working system withou[t]> touching a screw driver.

If I bought an x-box; I'd mod it the first chance I got.

All you have to do is open a case(which any moron should be able to do) and solder some jumpers to get a working, usable, system.

Has anyone claimed that prize money yet, or does the X-box have to be completely unmodded?

Re:no mods? (4, Informative)

slagdogg (549983) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731385)

You can do it without modifying it, but you need a memory card to store the code that executes the exploit. Also, the memory card trick works ONLY for running Linux, not other games or Xboxmediaplayer :(

See this link [xboxhacker.net] for more.

meet the impossibles (3, Insightful)

Naikrovek (667) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731448)

the cop says: "I want body armor the size of a handkerchief that can stop a howitzer."

the fireman says: "i want a firehose that weighs less than a pound that can fight fires 250 feet away."

the scuba diver says: "i want an oxygen tank that holds 10 hours of air, and fits in my back pocket - those backpack tanks are HEAVY!"

the hot rodder says: "i want a car that goes from 0-60 in 1 second with a top speed of 400mph in the quarter mile and i don't want to spend over $500."

the alwsn says: "i want to make some electronic equipment i own do something it was never intended to do without opening the case, changing anything, and i want it to work flawlessly every time."

ALL RIDICULOUS.

I still hope (4, Interesting)

sielwolf (246764) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731126)

The guy who came up with the 007 method gets whatever rewards were for booting Linux first on an Xbox. Yeah, this seems more like what "people want". But that wasn't the challenge. It was to boot Linux.

I'm sorry but the fuss around the backdoor-ness of the 007 method was blown way out of proportion.

Re:I still hope (1)

japhar81 (640163) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731354)

He doesnt qualify anyway. An unmodded xbox means an unchanged one. You have to take it apart and bridge some jumpers (i.e. mod the xbox) to make this work.

Re:I still hope (5, Interesting)

Ikeya (7401) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731380)

At a bare minimum, he earns my respect as a hacker. Holes like this can often lead to great developments. Look at the TI calculators. Holes were found in the ROMS in order to get to the Z80 assembly layer and produce some of the greatest games (and useful applications) that have been published on calculators.
This was so much a success that TI eventually starting allowing access to the Assembly layer natively (ala the TI86 and TI89/92+)
Besides, it's so much fun hearing about all of these cool holes and backdoors. Like the TI82 was cracked through the Matrix variable named "Q" (which doesn't really exist).
Anyway, kudos to all involved!
ikeya

It's tax time (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731127)

How did you file your taxes?

Make your vote [linuxsurveys.com] count.

Re:It's tax time (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731211)

With a Bastard File.

Too bad (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731386)

It seems the mods don't know what a bastard file is. If they did know what a bastard file [cornerhardware.com] was, they would have modded you up as +1 FUNNY.

Stupid mods...

Early (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731132)

fart!

What is the point? (-1, Insightful)

redheaded_stepchild (629363) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731144)

I mean, ok, very cool...linux on my xbox. But what, exactly, does this do for me, besides letting me put a finger in M$'s eye?

Re:What is the point? (1)

spineemike (560531) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731270)

How about a Linux window server that lets you send what's on the TV that the Xbox is hooked to to any PC on the network. That would be cool! Then you could watch TV (or anything) on any PC without needing anything else but the Xbox you bought and paid for!

Re:What is the point? (1)

MentlFlos (7345) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731286)

So when did the xbox get a video in jack? Am I missing something here?

Re:What is the point? (5, Funny)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731383)

But what, exactly, does this do for me, besides letting me put a finger in M$'s eye?

You're a slashdot reader, shouldn't annoying Billy boy be enough for you? ;-)

I can tell u whats the point! (5, Informative)

dark-br (473115) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731446)

"Why Xbox Linux?" Well I have a legitimate reason for wanting Linux on an unmodded Xbox.

My Xbox is going back to MS as they have attempted to fix a problem several times and have so far been unsuccessful. This time, they're considering swapping systems for a new one, which I'm fine with except for one thing: Loss of saved games.

They will not just swap drives as it would save them at least 5 minutes of work, so I will lose all of my info on the HD.

With Linux running on my unmodded Xbox, I could possibly FTP the data elsewhere and restore it on the new system. This makes so much sense to me that I wonder why there is no way of doing it by default.

Microsoft's idea is to purchase their Memory Units and backup this way. Problem is, since each Xbox comes with a hard drive, no developer tries to make the smallest possible size save file. I would need several MUs to backup my data. Plus, some files cannot even be copied to a MU which means they cannot be backed up at all.

Re:What is the point? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731447)

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1016212 ,00.asp

FYI (4, Insightful)

skrowl (100307) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731145)

The previous method that they're talking about involved a buffer overflow in the savegame handling from 007:Agent Under Fire.

You were able to execute code (in most cases, a BIOS flash to flash the internal TSOP) tacked on to the end of your save game.

Hopefully this comes as a lesson to ALWAYS ALWAYS sanity check ANY USER INPUT, even if it comes in the form of a file that you THINK you know the layout of.

Re:FYI (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731272)

Question from the floor:

Everyone is saying that the DMCA does not apply to this, as there is no circumvention device at work. Why isn't the 007 save game, with the buffer overflow, classifiable as a circumvention device?

Xemulation.net should be Xemulation.com (4, Informative)

Sonicboom (141577) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731153)

I think the first link should read Xemulation.com [xemulation.com] and point there, too.

C'mon editors - don't you check your stories and links before you post?

Re:Xemulation.net should be Xemulation.com (2, Funny)

ToadSprocket (628571) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731453)

C'mon editors - don't you check your stories and links before you post?

Is this a trick question?

sure.. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731155)


[l337 kid returning xbox]

kid: g1bb0r m3 my m0n3y b4ck, f4gg0rz. My k-r4d Xb0x0r 15 fux0r3d.

clerk: Ok.. let's see.. Hmm.. the screw heads are worn, indicating you've opened this XBox up. Oh, I see solder splattered on the board.. wait a sec, this isn't even an XBox board, it's from an old Betamax!

Neat, but why bother? (0, Insightful)

Sheetrock (152993) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731157)

I tried the NetBSD on Dreamcast thing a while back (much simpler process -- burn a disc and boot) but kind of wondered what the point was after getting it to boot. Walmart sells $200 Lindows machines with more functionality, particularly factoring in the hard drive, so why do folks sink lots of time and effort into this?

Re:Neat, but why bother? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731217)

so why do folks sink lots of time and effort into this?

Beacuse they are freaks. Frikkin freaks

Re:Neat, but why bother? (2, Insightful)

Pejorian (258646) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731279)

I have to scratch my head at this too.

The XBox is a game machine, not a PC, and it is designed to run 3D graphics applications really well. I can only conclude that the "run Linux on XBox" thing is a "proof-of-concept" (or as someone else put it, "stick-a-finger-in-M$-eye" thing or a "wow-your-fellow-geeks" thing)

By the way, I consider soldering to be modding.

PCs are cheap and plentiful. There are many FREE Linux distros that can be run on them. And, HEY! you DO NOT NEED A MOD CHIP nor do you need to solder ANYTHING to run Linux on them!!

ya ya... -1 redundant.

Re:Neat, but why bother? (2, Interesting)

kwerle (39371) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731298)

so why do folks sink lots of time and effort into this?

I already have an XBox.
It is connected to my TV and my stereo.
I want it to play MP3s from my server.
I don't want another box.

It can't be all that hard to understand.

Re:Neat, but why bother? (2, Insightful)

RatBastard (949) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731459)

Via Mini-ITX case in a small box with 64MB of RAM and an old hard drive. Fully functional MP3/OGG/etc... living room PC for almost nothing. Install any OS you like. Built in TV-Out, sound, NIC, video, etc... Hell, if it finds a TV connected to the Video-out and no monitor it will boot with the TV as the primary display, even in "DOS Mode".

No need to solder anything. No voiding of the warranty. No giving MS any more of your money.

Re:Neat, but why bother? (2)

tgd (2822) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731311)

I'll tell you why I did the Linux/BSD on Dreamcast thing... (which never worked out anyway, unfortunately)... I liked the idea of a multi-use unit in my entertainment center that didn't have a fan, didn't look like ass, and could do reasonable streaming MP3's. As it turned out last time I looked no one had gotten a decent streaming MP3 player running DC native or Linux/BSD, so its been sitting in a box in my closet for the last year.

My RIO Player works fine now...

Re:Neat, but why bother? (1)

Jahf (21968) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731320)

That $200 box is not engineered to look/sound decent in the living room and doesn't have an optical audio or component video output. To get a compact box with the same specs you're going to spend more than $200.

Besides, I don't need a full PC in the living room, but a good game machine that can double as a linux-based Ogg/MP3/MPEG/etc player is quite handy.

I've been heavily considering getting an Xbox for a media player, right now it's a wait-and-see as to which happens first ... an Xbox that can run linux (or Evolution X) AND still run on Xbox Live -or- DirecTV getting off their buts and letting me buy their media option on my HDVR2.

Re:Neat, but why bother? (2, Interesting)

R0b5D1gs (599764) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731378)

What are your thoughts on Moderators that are trying to do a good job for the /. community. When ever I see that I have the moderator points it almost seems like a job reading slashdot. I have to read the articles(no, I don't always ;^) and keep tuned in closer then normal so all the good ones aren't already at their threshold.

Re:Neat, but why bother? (3, Funny)

secolactico (519805) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731331)

so why do folks sink lots of time and effort into this?

Why do people climb the Everest? It's not like they are going to settle there or mine for resources.

Re:Neat, but why bother? (2, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731388)

Simple.

Linux is just the "front" that lets kids talk about how to flash the BIOS with a hacked version to play warez.

They act as though they have the moral high ground with all the linux jibber jabber, but go peruse the forums in the links and you can see what 99% of the kids are really interested in hacking the xbox for.

It aint linux, it ain't Tux racer, it aint backups or imports. It's just code for "warez" and we all know it.

Eg; a local game shop does mods, and sells imports. I was chatting with the owner one day, and asked him how many mods he does a week. He tells me 50 on a good week. I ask him how many import games he sells. He just kind of laughed and says practically none, they just keep them around to legitimize the whole thing.

"Wonder what the DMCA would think about this..."? (5, Funny)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731158)

Whatever Microsoft TELLS THEM to think about this.
(I may get an -1 redundant since that is the whole reason for the DMCA. Oh well. )

Re:"Wonder what the DMCA would think about this... (4, Funny)

Sheetrock (152993) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731195)

My guess is that the DMCA would have the same contented papery thoughts that other printed documents have, not to mention an intense dislike for fire.

Re:"Wonder what the DMCA would think about this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731239)

The DMCA is a law. You know, words and stuff on paper. It's an inanimate, errr, concept, it doesn't think.

Re:"Wonder what the DMCA would think about this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731261)

If it doesn't think, how is it it speaks to me?

Re:"Wonder what the DMCA would think about this... (1)

alwsn (593349) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731289)

I like that "Wonder what the DMCA would think about this...*" makes it sound as if the DMCA monster robot is going to come and attack me in my sleep if I mod my xbox.

While it's true that the DMCA is a law that clearly supports companies and not people, it would still be better to phrase this more along the lines "It will be interesting to see how this act is interpreted under the DMCA"

Re:"Wonder what the DMCA would think about this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731438)

The DMCA should be trashed and the whole issue rethought. Who is being hurt by people modding XBoxes? Nobody.

Hmm. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731160)

Wouldn't this be self defeating? To get a Linux PC you need..a Linux PC? :> Although I guess the XBox is smaller, and it has the cool factor going for it.

Nvidia drivers hacked? (2, Interesting)

Vardamir (266484) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731166)

Has anyone made progress on hacking the nvidia drivers to work on the XBox? If so, there is software, called Chromium I belive, that can take advantage of multiple OpenGL rendering nodes, making the XBox a very cost effective platform for such a project.

Re:Nvidia drivers hacked? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731288)

Umm... not really. With a list price of $200-ish for a 1GHz CPU with only 256M of RAM, yes... your individual unit prices are low, but the cost effectiveness is not really there. You could easily built a machine with 3x the number crunching ability for 150% the cost.

Here's the article (4, Informative)

JoshuaDFranklin (147726) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731186)

SAVE THEIR SERVERS: Ok, I've never written a tutorial of any kind in my life... so if this is posted anywhere, you can edit it (to a point ... keep the main writing.. but adding photo's, etc are fine by me, just give me a lil credit) And with that said .. I'll start...

This tutorial will explain how to go about mounting your Xbox HD's game save partition under Linux on a PC, in order to get habibi_xbox's 007:Agent Under Fire game save along with raincoat and your bios of choice onto the Xbox's HD, eliminating the need for a Mega-X-Key!

What you'll need:

Xbox
PC running Linux (distro of choice)
Linux kernel 2.4.20 source ( http://www.kernel.org [kernel.org] )
"Kernel" folder from xbox-linux's CVS ( http://xbox-linux.sf.net [sf.net] )
007: Agent Under Fire retail DVD
Soldering Iron + Solder (and torx screw drivers)

*Warning... i installed a fresh copy of Slackware Linux on an old PC just to do this, following this tutorial can cripple your linux system if you don't revert back to your old kernel... or compile a new one... unless you know what your doing*

1st things 1st! Now you must open up your Xbox *which I don't think I need to explain how to do*, take out the motherboard, and solder the 2x2 jumpers (one's on top, ones on the bottom of the mobo) pictures: http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/tsop.php [xbox-scene.com] . Now put everything back together, but leave the case top off, and keep the Xbox near your pc!

Now, download the Linux 2.4.20 kernel source from http://www.kernel.org [kernel.org] *look in the archives!*, move the tar.gz or tar.bz2 file to /usr/src and extract. This should leave you with a folder named "linux-2.4.20". Next, get the "Kernel" folder from the Xbox-Linux team's CVS *sourceforge tells you how to get on their CVS server... just user kernel as the module name*. After doing so, move the contents of the "kernel" folder to the "linux-2.4.20" folder.

Go into the linux-2.4.20 folder and read the README.xbox file! Follow it's instructions to the point right before compiling the kernel! Next, run "make xconfig" or "make menuconfig" in console while in the folder. Configure the kernel as you normally would *I assume you have some knowledge about Linux*, remove USB support, and turn off all Xbox specific functions... Make sure to leave FatX support in though! When done, run *without quotes* "make dep ; make modules ; make bzImage ; make modules ; make modules_install ; make install" This will automatically do everything needed. Next, shutdown, and use the Xbox HD swap trick to unlock your Xbox's HD and connect it to your PC (Turn on your pc, wait for it to boot RIGHT BEFORE it gets to your Linux boot loader screen press the Pause / Break button. Turn on Xbox, wait for it to boot to the dash, unplug IDE cable from Xbox, connect an IDE cable from your PC into the Xbox's HD and press any key. Your pc should boot as normal, into Linux... except now it see's your Xbox's HD!

*NOW, BACK UP YOUR XBOX HD! MAKE AN IMAGE FILE OF THE HD!!! I don't know the command do to so under linux, but I used HDD Driver under windows to do it ... but seriously, if something goes wrong here, you can be left with a bunk HD if you don't have a backup!*

Now, make a new folder in /mnt (I used /mnt/xbox myself). Now, look in the /dev folder, you should see "hda50 hda51 hda52 hda53, etc..." *it may not be hda, it could be hdb, hdc, or hdd...*. After seeing what block device it is, type this command into console"
mount -t fatx /dev/hda50 /mnt/xbox" ... if it works, you will see no error message. Go into the folder in which you mounted the partition to, and guess what! You should see TDATA and UDATA folders!

Now, if you want to move the 007 save game over to the HD (I assume you already have the files you need... I downloaded "007savewithraincoat.zip" from my local Xbox software ftp server ... I suggest you do the same...), and just move the 4541000d folder into UDATA! Shutdown, unplug Xbox HD from the PC, plug it back into the Xbox (make sure your Xbox is networked to your pc, and your pc's local network IP is in the 192.168.0.* range).

Put in the 007 game into the DVD drive, let it load. Now, just go to the Load Game menu, select Xbox Hard Disk... then the screen should go black, and you may even here some music *this is xbox-linux live running on your un-modded xbox!!!!* Now, I know how excited you must be right now, but there's more!

Now, RUN over to your pc, and go to http:// 192.168.0.64 ... now you'll see a webpage... which is being delivered by your Xbox =p. So, now you can telnet to 192.168.0.64, then type "cd ../../media/E/UDATA/4541000d/000000000000/raincoat ".. Once here, type: "./raincoat -p bios.bin" *both without quotes!*. Guess what, you just flashed your Xbox's TSOP with the evox bios... your xbox now is modded, without ever using a mod-chip or even a memory card =) *If you are like me, once you have EvoX installed, you would re-flash your xbox to your bios of choice* Now your done... Have fun!

Credits:

Habbi_xbox (without you, this would not be possible!)
Koitsu (for packaging the save with raincoat in such an easy fashion)
Xbox-Linux Team (for all your hard work, Xbox Linux, and the FatX driver =p)

--pSyCo
_________________
I don't like p00!

--pSyCo

www.xemulation.com [xemulation.com]
www.consolevision.com [consolevision.com]

OneShot4U:

Nice tutorial but this has got to be one of the riskiest methods in flashing the bios. Not only could you damage your xbox harddrive if not the xbox itself, but you could also break your PC if you don't know what you're doing. I recommend just spending the extra bucks to buy a modchip or a mega x-key rather than waste time attempting this. If you're bored or cheap, i guess this wouldn't be a bad idea to try.

pSyCo:

Although it is semi risky, i have not heard of anyone having problems with the "swap method", xbox-linux team, and others... (you used to have to do it to install debian linux on your xbox). ALSO, as long as you back up your HD into an image file, if you mess anything up on the HD, you can just write the image file to hard disk, and all is well. Put it this way, to mod my xbox, i paid $5... to rent 007. That's it =)

Re:Here's the article (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731249)

Why, for fuck's sake, do people care about being accredited for their tutorials? If I were ever to write a tutorial for mass use, I don't think I'd ever ask for such a thing. Contributing to the knowledge pool is a reward unto itself.

You cockmongering chode loader.

Wow. (-1, Troll)

_RidG_ (603552) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731187)

Congratulations, you've succeeded on running Linux on a lesser box. Superb. Apart from the "wow thy fellow geeks" factor, this doesn't seem to have any practical applications - and don't tell me about those who can now get an Xbox and run Linux on it, because God knows that the vast majority of people who run Linux don't need more computers :)

Although I might be underestimating the "wow thy fellow geeks" factor here... ;D

Re:Wow. (3, Insightful)

FatRatBastard (7583) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731244)

Actually, it just may. If the price goes down to $150 (as the rumors are claiming) then I've just saved a boat load of money on my "media PC" that I've been meaning to build (but have been too lazy to actually get around to). A good box with TV out, sound and ethernet to stream my 10K+ mp3 collection. This def. saves me time and money.

Re:Wow. (1)

cgenman (325138) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731420)

Agreed. I've just built a Samba MP3 file server for the apartment using 100 dollars worth of the slowest parts available today... a television connectable DVD drive with a great graphics card would be a very, very sweet deal.

Re:Wow. (2, Interesting)

RatBastard (949) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731389)

Actually, there is one use that most XBox users might see as useful: With Linux running on your XBox you can FTP files in and out of it, letting you hack savegame files, or load hacked savegame files.

Re:Wow. (0, Troll)

_RidG_ (603552) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731428)

Gah. I keep forgetting that bringing up Linux in any way that could be (mis)construed as negative on Slashdot all but warrants a "Troll" moderation. Blimey.

Still need 007..... (5, Interesting)

Another AC (151302) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731190)

with nothing but an Xbox and Linux PC

Um, no!

It's true you don't need a memory card, but you still need 007 Agent Under Fire to do this.

I think it's less work and easier to do it with a memory card though. This method requires hooking the xbox drive up to your pc and a lot of recompiling kernel stuff.. the other way just requires you putting some files on a memory card (you can do it with a previously modded xbox or a couple of other ways) and that's it. Once you've got that memory card you can reuse it on each xbox you want to mod too. It takes about 90 seconds to get an unmodded-xbox to run linux with the memory card:

  • Turn on xbox with no cd in drive, but with memory card in controller.
  • Use the MS dashboard to copy the 007 save game to the harddrive.
  • Put in 007 Agent Under Fire and reboot.
  • Wait for lots of annoying intro stuff.
  • Choose "Load Mission", pick the game off the hard drive.
  • Linux boots!

Re:Still need 007..... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731223)

You forgot:
  • ...
  • Profit!!
Retard.

Re:Still need 007..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731474)

that is so cool the way you sign your trol as a "Retard". Usually people are not so honest!

Bye, Retard.

- Note to Self Troll

[note to self: don't forget to mark "post anonymous"!]

The problem with this... (2, Insightful)

chadamir (665725) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731194)

is that I believe the goal of the whole boot linux on your xbox without a modchip was to make it so you don't have to void your warranty. Also, this sounds like it has tons of potential for a bad solder and then some kind of power surge thus frying your xbox. I think I'll stick with my matrix.

Boredom breeds insanity, part 344 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731207)

So, like, if you want to install and play with Linux, buy a computer. If you want to play console games on your TV, buy an Xbox. How hard is that to understand?
What's next, trying to install Linux into the front door, then the family dog, and so forth?
Makes one wonder why we just get sick of Linux after awhile.....

Re:Boredom breeds insanity, part 344 (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731369)

I installed linux on my dog [animal-fun...ctures.com] . Things didn't go well!

opening it up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731214)

I'm not opening up my xbox just to flash it, nah, I'll be fine with windows strip down

But... why? (1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731215)

Please note : this is not flamebait or trolling!

I honestly just want to know - why would you want to boot Linux on an XBox?

I'm totally serious here. I've been out of gaming for too many years now, but... would you still be able to play XBox games on a mod'ed XBox running Linux (would you have to dual boot to do that)? Or... not? If not, then whats the point of running Linux on your XBox? Is it a really cheap way of hooking up w/ a cool looking Linux box? Or, is booting Linux on an XBox about the 'vandalism' vibe, of running a non-MS OS on an MS-made machine?

For all the hype in the media about running Linux on an XBox, why isn't there similar press about running Linux on, say, a Nintendo Cube (or, does that one already run Linux? or Unix?) I believe that Playstation already runs Linux... right? Anyway... the whole concept of 'run linux on your xbox' has always garnered a 'who gives a sh*t' from me, so I was hoping that someone could let me know why this idea gets so much coverage, contests, and attention from the tech community in general.

Thanks! :)

Because (4, Insightful)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731297)

Because the XBox has

a powerful processor

enough memory

dvd drive

high-end graphics card

and more

All for only $200. You can't get a PC with the same specs for near that price.

Did you vote? [linuxsurveys.com]

Re:Because (5, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731478)

a powerful processor

A mobile celeron 733 powerful? A 1 gig tualitin celeron would be 40 bucks, with another 30 or so for a mobo.

enough memory

What's 64 megs of SDRAM worth? 10 bucks? I bet most of us have a DIMM collecting dust we could use. I know I have a dozen of 'em.

dvd drive

A crappy dvd drive, on which recordable media support is somewhere between terrible and none, depending on your luck.

high-end graphics card

To be fair, it's a GeForce 3 with another pixel shader. And with no real driver support past a plain-jane framebuffer. And I sincerly doubt nVidia is going to pony up some drivers for the xGPU any time soon.

and more

Yes, an 8, 10 or maybe 20 gig HDD depending once again on luck. A terrible (from a general use PC standpoint) bus configuration. No way to do key/mouse input without sacrificing a $40 control pad.

Seriously.

Cheap case + PSU = 40 bucks

mobo, 733mhz celeron, ram = 100 bucks

Crappy DVD drive = well, you cant buy one as crippled as the xboxes. But lets say 25 bucks for a used 8x.

Cheapest, smallest HDD you can get = 30 bucks.

Sound card and video = spend as much as you want. You can get xbox-linux functionality on anything with a framebuffer. But hey, spend the 10 bucks on a Riva TNT2 and you're already smoking X-linux. But I'll say 50 bucks for a SB PCI card and a cheapo video card with TV-out.

100+40+30+25+50 = 245 bucks for a similarly configured home-built machine.

Xbox would be the price of the box (200) + a memory card (40) + a copy of 007 (20?).

Re:But... why? (1)

NerveGas (168686) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731300)


Because the X-boxes have semi-decent hardware at a reasonable cost. Microsoft *loses* money selling them, in the hopes that they'll make it up later in the software.

So... you get a very decent machine at a pretty low price, and Micro$oft loses money in the process. That's a pretty nice idea.

Re:But... why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731313)

Isn't this a bit like asking a group of climbers, "Why would you want to climb Mt. Everest? What's the point?"

Re:But... why? (1)

AvengerXP (660081) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731401)

No that would be like asking a climber "Why do you want to use your stuff to go up a hill?"

Re:But... why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731472)

I would rather ask, why 'climb'.. in the world we live today, that's fucking stupid. :)
"Oh, yeah, I wanna feel free, etc"
Well, you are.. maybe not in your head.. :)

I'd rather try heroin than linux on a fucking video-game or climb shit.
And oh, the whole media center shit is stupid. I know a bunch of people that use linux pretty much for.. doing NOTHING.. configuring, making it purty.. 'oh, I can ls.'.. 'oh, look at my disgusting theme'..

Just because you can stick a broomstick up your arse, that doesn't qualify it as good.

Re:But... why? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731318)

Reasons to do so:

#1. Because I can.
#2. Because it's cheap hardware and I want to find a use for it after I beat Halo and Fatal Frame.
#3. Because it's a form factor that looks nice next to my TV and makes a decent media center, playing network available MP3's and movies.
#4. Because I can, it's my damn XBox and this is another way to prove laws like the DMCA are pure bullsh*t.

Mostly though, it's all about 'because I can.' People want to boot this OS that boots on so many platforms on one more, just to say they did. After that, maybe people will find a use for that platform running Linux. It's all good.

Re:But... why? (1)

Euphonious Coward (189818) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731422)

Because lots of people already have an Xbox, and would like to make it useful. They got it for xmas, or graduation, or something. Why let it go to waste?

The great thing about the 007 trick is that you can use it to demo Linux for anybody else who happens to have an Xbox with just a USB key and a CD.

Liberate that machine from MS slavery!

Another problem is (5, Informative)

chadamir (665725) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731226)

that you still can't use the xbox to play unsigned code without modifying it. So yeah you can boot linux, but I can't just bring some software I wrote over to my friend's house and pop it in and show him. He needs to have it modded which is still a big problem.

Shows Palladium is not going to work (5, Insightful)

captaineo (87164) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731231)

This wonderful example shows how even hardware-enforced media protection schemes aren't going to work, as long as there are any vulnerabilities in the "trusted" software.

e.g. say you have a DVD player program that is "trusted" and prevents you from taking a screenshot or recording anything from a DVD. If you can find a buffer overflow or any other kind of exploit in the program, you can just have it execute your own code (rip the whole DVD) at its super-trusted privilege level.

Given that MS has a hard time keeping its HTTP server secure, I don't think buffer overflows will be too hard to find in typical razzle-dazzle media player programs :)

Re:Shows Palladium is not going to work (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731340)

But the memory is protected and encrypted. One of the benefits (if any) of palladium is that its more secure. The reason why is buffer overflows are impossible with it if its signed.

Re:Shows Palladium is not going to work (1)

x mani x (21412) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731363)

Microsoft fully knows and expects that the first incarnations of Palladium will be cracked. The issue is that eventually Palladium logic will move from being a seperate chip on your motherboard to being right in your CPU's die. At that point it will become extremely difficult for even very talented hackers to break. When Palladium is integrated with your CPU, you'll need some very expensive equipment to find out what's going on inside the chip let alone crack it. At that point the cost of entry for breaking Palladium will be too high for individuals or even universities, and your only hope will be on a competitor to Intel/MS or whatever breaking the DMCA to crack their hardware (I don't see this happening).

-Mani

Re:Shows Palladium is not going to work (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731442)

MS's answer to this problem will no doubt be revocation lists. I think of the Xbox as a dry run for Palladium, and the dependence on a trusted central server is the one thing that's missing. A Palladium Xbox would contact the mothership to verify any software it was about to load. If a bug like the one in 007 is found, MS simply revokes that particular image's permission to run until your box downloads the patch that repairs the buffer overflow.

Now I'm not saying full-blown Palladium will be hack-proof, but it will be a lot more difficult to break than this. I applaud the Xbox hackers' efforts to find clever ways for people to use their own hardware (MS's business model be damned), but they still have their work cut out for them.

man, (1)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731243)

Are they running their web server on such an Xbox ?
Already slashdotted.....

Re:man, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731359)

Are they running their web server on such an Xbox ?

No, it's running on a fly.

*Wonder what the DMCA would think about this...* (5, Funny)

csteinle (68146) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731248)

Not very much, I would imagine. Given that's it a law. It's not even an object, let alone an animate one capable of thought.

Re:*Wonder what the DMCA would think about this... (1)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731275)

Does the word "metaphor" give you goosebumps?

Re:*Wonder what the DMCA would think about this... (1)

chadamir (665725) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731316)

I believe you mean "personification." Do the words "Dictionary" and "joke" give you goosebumps?

Wonder what the DMCA would think about this... (0, Redundant)

PhoenixK7 (244984) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731277)

Um, nothing. Its a copyright act, a bunch of words on paper (or some other storage medium) it isn't conscious so it can't think :)

TSOP? (1)

CanadaDave (544515) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731299)

Isn't the TSOP just the name for a chip package type? I thought it meant Tiny Small-Outline-Package or something like that. Why are they throwing the word around like it has something to do with the funtion of the chip itself.

Re:TSOP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731362)

Actually, i'm not too sure. It's just what I have ALWAYS seen used around Xboxhacker.net and Xbox-Scene.com ... and around IRC, so that's the term i used... i usually just say onboard bios, but yeah =/

--pSyCo

how legal can this be? (0)

bobcrotch (650038) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731303)

http://www.operationprojectx.com/main.asp posted on /. a few months ago. i was reading about new distributed computing projects and ran across this old one. cracking they're 2048 bit key? hmm i don't think i'll be supplying any cpu cycles for this one heh. it would be cool though if they break it and don't get in trouble.

Smallest version? (4, Funny)

CrazyJim0 (324487) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731338)

Is there a .exe for Linux or Windows?

I just run the .exe and then I can flash roms over?

Whats with all the blatent piracy news stories? (0, Offtopic)

Viewsonic (584922) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731370)

It's getting pretty sad.

Why You Do This..... (5, Funny)

sogoodsofarsowhat (662830) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731381)

1) Because the establishment DOESNT WANT YOU TOO :) 2) Because if you dont buy games and only buy the XBOX M$ actually loses money! 3) Because seeing a M$ box totally violated and made to run Linux just makex me LAUGH MY ASS OFF!!!! My god people you do this because its WRONG and everybody knows 2 wrongs dont make a right but 3 lefts do :)

Cool... (1)

dark-br (473115) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731404)

Great news! This puts us that much closer to being able to run Linux on anything such as a PC! Oh, wait...

Schlinux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731455)

Devices currently running Linux:

PC's
Macs
Various flavors of workstations
Mainframes
Supercomputers
Gameboys
Cameras
PDA's
Watches
Videogame consoles

Pretty soon, my schlong (emphasis on the long) will be running Linux. Great... now I can download porn directly to my schlong. I could even serve porn from it!!

X-Box Running Linux is a waste of time (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731457)

Other than it annoys Billy Gates there is no point to this effort. The hardware is now outdated, and not even suited for any applications due to the limited storage and memory.

Re:X-Box Running Linux is a waste of time (2, Interesting)

aderusha (32235) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731485)

show me another computer with 64mb ram, 8/10/20gb hard drive (depending on when you bought it), decent 3d video, dolby digital 5.1 sound, dvd-rom, and 10/100 ethernet that you can buy for $200 and i won't call your post a troll.

Why I'm doing this (5, Interesting)

BigDish (636009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731465)

The most common question here seems to be why? Well, for my, XBMP is the answer. Few months ago, I installed a mod chip in a friend's Xbox. One of the first things he did was get XBMP running. Wow, all I can say is XBMP is the killer application for the Xbox. Just to run XBMP, I picked up a used Xbox and DVD remote just before the initial exploit was discovered, and I grabbed 007 off ebay for like $10. Though when trying to bridge the 2 resistor pads, I knocked another resistor off the board, so I need to obtain a replacement resistor (soldering iron I was using was WAY too big) to finish this project Really though, if you haven't seen XBMP, look at it. It is a killer app-ESPECIALLY for college students. For $150 or so I have a box that will play damn near any media file I through at it, off CD, DVD, or SMB share, and is designed to be hooked to the TV, with an interface designed for it too. To me, the Xbox with XBMP is the media PC Microsoft has been trying to create.

What does Commander Data run? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5731479)

Does anyone know what type of operating system Commander Data runs? It seems that if Linux really does take over the world some day that an android such as Data would be running Linux. I've never seen him crash, so I'm assuming he isn't running OS X or the equivalent.

What about running Windows? (3, Interesting)

Rinikusu (28164) | more than 11 years ago | (#5731484)

Why isn't anyone trying to get Windows to run on one of these things, as well? Sure, Linux is nifty and all, but some of us actually *prefer* using Windows. Just curious.
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