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Slashback: Folding, Cursing, Exporting

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the tomorrow-is-confiscation-day dept.

Slashback 161

Slashback tonight brings updates and clarifications on the odds of Apple Computer buying Universal Music, the Evil Bit RFC, and more, including Niels Provos' reasons for moving his cryptographic research tools off-shore.

The more numerous the laws ... friscolr writes "The Register has an article about security researcher Niels Provos's (creator/collaborator for systrace, honeyd, openssh, various steg tools, and more) struggle to continue his Ph.D. studies amidst an increasingly restrictive set of U.S. and Michigan laws. This isn't the first time a prominent security researcher in Michigan has voiced serious concerns over new laws."

You may remember several earlier stories mentioning Provos' research, such as this article on his honeynet creation tool honeyd.

Apple Records has a certain ring, though, doesn't it? egoff writes "The Apple/Universal Music deal is unlikely, according to the New York Times (reg req), nor would it be a sure hit with investors. However, if the deal did go through, it would be because of Steve Job's vision for the future of digital music. Said one former Apple exec: 'Apple always needs to pull a rabbit out of its hat. Universal is a pretty big rabbit.'"

Swearing in another language doesn't count. Chilliwilli writes with an update to the recent Anger As a Software Design Philosophy: "Anyone that took a look at the foul language feckfeck might be amazed to see that somebody has actually risen to one of the three challenges and written a quine in this more irritating of languages. Congratulations go to 'hoser'."

Upping their meds. Elyjah writes "Steve Bellovin has compiled a short list of emails he got regarding his most recent RFC (3514) which appeared this last April 1st. (I believe you may have seen something on Slashdot about it.) Some people just...don't...get it."

If you go beyond the Enterprise, doesn't that invalidate their theme song? Built enough floppy-disk Enterprises? GaryK writes "With Dell getting rid of 3.5" disk drives, I'm quite sure we'll have to come up with creative uses for the hundreds and hundreds of floppies we have around our offices. This guy should serve as an inspiration to us all.

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161 comments

fist post fuckers (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732408)

fuckers be fist posting, fuckers

Re:fist post fuckers (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732653)

nigger

Floppy disks... (4, Funny)

sleeperservice (62645) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732409)

...also knows as "Old School Coasters", for those of us who remember a time before AOL CD-ROMs.

Re:Floppy disks... (2, Interesting)

pro-mpd (412123) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732421)

Ah, yes, AOL floppy disks. I turned in many a-C++ assignment on these. I also recall using Compuserve and Prodigy disks, but those just aren't as pervasive.

Re:Floppy disks... (1)

eenglish_ca (662371) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732455)

Which floppies you talking about? The small ones aren't really floppy so why do we call them floppies? Anyways the big ones are the real old school coasters and you really need them now as coasters for those 5 liter big gulp drink holders you get at the gas station.

Re:Floppy disks... (1)

grammar fascist (239789) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732641)

The cookie on the inside is floppy.

Floppy Disks vs. Hard Disks (2, Informative)

Iffy Bonzoolie (1621) | more than 11 years ago | (#5733054)

This is as opposed to hard disks, where the platter is actually hard (if you ever disassemble a HD, you'll notice those platters are pretty heavy duty). Even though the 3.5" disk's case is rigid, the disk itself is floppy, which is what makes them floppy disks.

Does anyone know if Zip disks are floppy or hard?

-If

Re:Floppy Disks vs. Hard Disks (2, Informative)

The Almighty Dave (663959) | more than 11 years ago | (#5733100)

Zip disks are floppy, I just checked.

AOL Floppy disks... (2, Informative)

saskboy (600063) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732483)

Don't use those disks man:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIte m&item =3603092159&category=4291

Sell them on eBay to suckers looking for junk mail that takes their memories way back to the 1990s when AOL was hip.

Re:AOL Floppy disks... (1)

sixdotoh (584811) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732795)

i guess i'm showing my age, but was AOL really *ever* hip?

Re:Floppy disks... (1)

AssFace (118098) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732514)

I first started getting mostly CDs from AOL when I was a soph in college.
The dorm suite I lived in had a single hallway connecting 5 rooms off of one side of it.

My suitemates and I, upon findings of those CDs in our maail would then leave them on our desks by our computers.
Then when we were bored, we would throw the CD out our dorm room doors and see if we could curve them properly to go out our rooms and into another.
My best shot hit a suitemate in the head 3 rooms down - and I was drunk.

We did similar things with the disks when they were still in all the wrappings, but the CDs could do just as well even naked.

Floppy RAID is cool. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732577)

Excuse me for "hanging" this on your funny-post, but the FDD-RAID project [8k.com] is just soo funny and I'd like more people to see it.

It is really cool when you access the drives the way they flash each light and spin in no particular order that I can discern. It is of course faster than a standard single drive. I was able to transfer "DEVO Uncontrolable Urge.mp3" which is 3.6 MB in 32 seconds. Which is pretty good I think.

(Really, with people posting "what's vorbis?" with every Vorbis story, I'm sure there must be persons out there for which this is new)

Re:Floppy RAID is cool. (1)

Bios_Hakr (68586) | more than 11 years ago | (#5733134)

This is the coolest thing since TTYQuake...

Re:Floppy disks... (1)

capnjack41 (560306) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732600)

Well, I never really called them coasters, cause I would just peel the label off the best I could and format them. At least the old AOL 2.0 disks were useful.

Re:Floppy disks... (1)

srmalloy (263556) | more than 11 years ago | (#5733276)

I would just peel the label off the best I could and format them.


I remember scavenging ten 1.44Mb HD floppies from an IBM booth (loaded with demo software) at a computer show over the course of a weekend back when the HD floppies were new technology and selling for $65 or more per box of ten; the computer I'd just bought had one of the new drives, but I wasn't making enough to actually buy them myself. Some care peeling the labels, and I had myself a stack of floppies whose aggregate capacity was a significant fraction of my hard drive's space. Twenty years is a long time in the computer industry...

Robot parts! (4, Interesting)

Smidge204 (605297) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732832)

Granted, the motors in floppy drives are pretty weak... but each drive contains two stepper motors, one uni-directional servo motor, at least 3 input switches (either optical or mechanical), and all the electronics to drive them!

The whole thing can be controlled with simple pulses to the various pins on the cable connector, which means an old floppy drive is a cheap (free) way to add motor controls to any microcontroller project, or even drive it with the PC's printer port. Ideal for science fair projects and other low-low budget / non critical / fun stuff.

Here [ohmslaw.com] and here [trueforce.com] are just some of many examples.

Fun fun!
=Smidge=

404 file not found (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732410)

Read more - Hmmm one of the more interesting slashdot articles.

apple records (1)

benevita (665550) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732417)

the legendary ease and innovaton of apple, legal music? sounds like a match made in heaven to me.

Re:apple records (2, Informative)

pro-mpd (412123) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732433)

macos : xerox parc :: apple records : [napster|kazaa|gnutella] ?

In Apple's favor, although they might not be first on the scene with digital music (duh), they will probably put out a product that will revolutionize the industry.

Remember, it wasn't just the GUI, but it was rather the personal computer with a GUI that started it all.

Apple and Music are Like Oil and Water (1)

telstar (236404) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732864)

You can try ... but those two don't mix...
Or I guess you could say they do ... right after you rip, and right before you burn...

One easy answer (4, Funny)

Dicky (1327) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732428)

Good Afternoon,

What or who determines the "evilness" or "goodness" of the packet? If a security admin or OS can determine or flag bits as good, what keeps the hacker from spoofing this process by setting the bit to "good"? Does the bit change based on behavior? Or maybe a database with signatures of "bad" bits?

(name deleted)
Microsoft Corporation

Not to worry, good sir - there is a simple and easy answer to your question. All Microsoft software and systems should automatically set the bit to evil! On the off-chance of the packet passing through a clean system, the bit could be set to good, but all data originating from a Microsoft system are, by definition, evil.

HTH, HAND...

Re:One easy answer (5, Funny)

inertia@yahoo.com (156602) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732520)

Yes, that is truely scary. Especially the part where he or she says, "Or maybe a database with signatures of "bad" bits?" Man, that's gotta be a tiny database:

create table good_bad_bits (
bit boolean not null primary key,
evil boolean not null
) ;

insert into good_bad_bits ( bit, evil ) values ( true, true ) ;
insert into good_bad_bits ( bit, evil ) values ( false, true ) ; /* Ok, I guess I'm done. */

Re:One easy answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732567)

... Awww.. come on! Print the name!

... said the AC...

Re:One easy answer (5, Funny)

Krondor (306666) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732625)

... all data originating from a Microsoft system are, by definition, evil.

Nevermind that "Evil" is a relative term, but I was under the impression that in fact all FreeBSD packets should in fact be "Evil". I mean they have a daemon (albeit a cute one for a mascot). I think they are more then deserving for that fact alone, but hasn't the FreeBSD crowd been the one primarily pushing for this bit to begin with?

Re:One easy answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732768)

Well, considering that daemon with the "ae" means "guardian angel", no, they don't have a daemon as their mascot. They have a demon.

Yes, I know, it's a joke.

Re:One easy answer (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732868)

I was under the impression that in fact all FreeBSD packets should in fact be "Evil".

Yes, this is true. For proof, simply ask anyone who's ever configured BSD packet filtering.

Re:One easy answer (1, Funny)

huhmz (216967) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732759)

(name deleted)
Microsoft Corporation


That you Bill?

Re:One easy answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732981)

Amazing... someone at Microsoft bothered reading up on standards.

Embrace and extend - was "One easy answer" (4, Funny)

AltGrendel (175092) | more than 11 years ago | (#5733285)

I believe that there is a secret memo floating around Microsoft to extend this standard by one bit:

0x00 - If set to 0, the packet has no evil intent, as it was sent by a Microsoft product. There is no need for any security measures as all Microsoft products are inherently secure.

0x01 - If set to 1, the packet may have no evil intent other than taking away market share from Microsoft and should be regarded with suspicion. These packets should be randomly dropped by all Microsoft products and blame put on the third party vendor.

0x10 - If set to 2, the packet MAY have evil intent, but since it comes from a Microsoft product, there is no need for any security measures as all Microsoft products are inherently secure. Any Microsoft product that receives this packet should be setup to automatically notify Microsoft marketing and it's legal staff to start blaming Open Source software in the media.

0x11 - If set to 3, the packet has evil intent since it comes from a third party, most likely an Open Source developer. All packets should be dropped immediately, any Microsoft product that receives this packet should be setup to automatically notify Microsoft marketing and it's legal staff to start blaming Open Source software in the media.

Universal is a pretty big rabbit (4, Funny)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732430)

...and Steve wears a pretty big hat. [geekculture.com]

CD Sculptures? (2, Funny)

mungeh (663492) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732435)

Surely these would be more interesting (and much more shiny) than boring old floppy clips. I guess I'll just wait till 40gb DVD's render CD's useless and lots of boring nerds start wandering what the hell to do with their now useless 500 cd pr0n collection. Surely you could make life size models with CDs. they seem a lot more sculptable!

Re:CD Sculptures? (1)

SN74S181 (581549) | more than 11 years ago | (#5733216)

Since the majority of CDs are read-only media, many become 'obsolete' the moment there's no use for the data on them. As such, you don't have to wait for the CD medium itself to become obsolete. Just visit your local Post Office and pick up a free case of AOL CDs off the counter. ( Where they're sitting in the way interfering with use of the counter, BTW. grrr.)

Apple Records? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732440)

um, there's already a company called Apple Records. They put out music by an obscure group called the Beatles.

I know, most /. ers are too young to remember those days...

or the days when record labels had actual labels smack dab in the middle of those black disks.

Re:Apple Records? (0)

mungeh (663492) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732454)

get back? I'm too young to remember those days, but not too young to appreciate the great music these guys made! I'm actually looking for the apple rooftop concert in it's entirety for *cough* download (unsuccesfully)...

Re:Apple Records? (4, Informative)

Nintendork (411169) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732472)

When Apple ran into the legal problem of using the name Apple, the record company said they could use it so long as they didn't go into the music business. Hence the system beep, "Sosume".

I just did a google search and found another /. post [slashdot.org] explaining this in more depth.

-Lucas

Re:Apple Records? LIES LIES ! Sosume was STOLEN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5733159)

LIES LIES ! Sosume was STOLEN from a popular videogame. (Crystal Quest?) with nothing changed in the sound effect.
Sosume had to do with the author of the shareware game. nothing else. Why you got modded to +5 on a lie is beyond me.

ARRRRRRRGHHHH!!!

Apple Records (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732444)

It's about time this label got some recognition. They have a lot of great bands -- The Homos, Pen15, Rank and Pretty Lisa [prettylisa.com] . Support this label if you like real music and not this watered-down pop culture crap!

The Beatles aren't gonna be happy about this... (3, Funny)

CPgrower (644022) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732449)

Apple Records? I don't think the Beatles will go for it.

rob

Re:The Beatles aren't gonna be happy about this... (1)

rusty0101 (565565) | more than 11 years ago | (#5733157)

But which half will be able to do anything about it? The Living, or the Dead?

-Rusty

Microsoft Records? (4, Insightful)

SHEENmaster (581283) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732450)

I'd really rather apple buy out the company. Despite my complaints about QuickTime, apple has been rather nice about keeping iTunes using mp3 for output, and more recently support Ogg Vorbis for playback. They might start including digital copies of music in addition to the CD tracks, and definitly wouldn't go to the extreme of copy protection schemes that crash macintoshes (anyone have a link?)

Re:Microsoft Records? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732724)

[Apple]... more recently support Ogg Vorbis for playback

Apple don't support Ogg Vorbis. There is no Apple quicktime component that supports Ogg Vorbis.

Saying Apple supports Ogg is like saying Microsoft supports Ogg because winamp plays ogg files.

Re:Microsoft Records? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732775)

Of course Sony copy protection only crashed apple drives because Apple still buys most of it's optical drives from Sony :)


way to treat your customers Sony!

Re:Microsoft Records? (1)

Alsee (515537) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732852)

definitly wouldn't go to the extreme of copy protection schemes that crash macintoshes

Heay! Maybe they'll come out with a DRM scheme that works on Macs but kills Windows machines! :)

-

"Apple Records" (2, Informative)

PeekabooCaribou (544905) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732456)

Actually, didn't apple have some sort of agreement with Apple Corps. (The Beatles' label) about this very thing?

Re:"Apple Records" (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732936)

From Wikipedia article on Apple Records [wikipedia.org] :

At one point, Apple Records sued Apple Computer for trademark infringment because the computer company broke their earlier agreement not to add sound to its computers. The case was settled out of court. Apple computers ever since have included a sound labelled sosumi ("So, sue me").

Re:"Apple Records" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5733002)

Yes, The Beatle$ agreed not to develop any GUY interfaces with trash cans, and Apple agreed not to do any crappy covers of "I am the Walrus".

Goo Goo, gajoob.

Floppy women? (4, Funny)

saskboy (600063) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732461)

http://sdcc15.ucsd.edu/~mrossmas/recycle.html

I think the fellow "recycling" floppies into star ships should construct a floppy woman. It may be the only chance he will get.

High density

Double sided

write protect hole

Re:Floppy women? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732617)

write protect hole

Does that mean he can't stick his penis in there?

Re:Floppy women? (1)

saskboy (600063) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732783)

"Does that mean he can't stick his penis in there?"

Right. Protect hole.

Remember on floppies they work the opposite way though. The open hole means you can't catch a virus on your floppy.
Slide back the dust cover and begin accessing.

Re:Floppy women? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5733286)

It wouldn't matter if he had a "floppy"

Apple Trademark violation (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732462)

Back when Apple Computers(AC( was founded, Apple Records(AR) (who put out the Beatles records in America) sued AC for the name Apple. AC had to agree not to go into the music recording business in order to use the name Apple. If AC makes this move into music recording, would they not be violating that agreement?

Re:Apple Trademark violation (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732495)

AR sued AC for including a MIDI adaptor (i think) with the apple II (i think). AC settled for a large sum and bought out the previous agreement.

So no.

Re:Apple Trademark violation (4, Interesting)

prockcore (543967) | more than 11 years ago | (#5733034)

AR sued AC for including a MIDI adaptor (i think) with the apple II (i think). AC settled for a large sum and bought out the previous agreement.

Um, no. Apple Records sued Apple Computers because of the Apple][gs. The ][gs contained an Ensoniq synthesizer, making it the most powerful music composer on the market. Part of the agreement was that Apple Computers couldn't ever have a hardware synth solution. This is still true today. Apple Computers didn't buy any rights, and they are still not allowed to enter the record business.

Search the web for "Ensoniq Apple lawsuit" for more information.

Dell's Usb keychain offer is pants (3, Informative)

Loosewire (628916) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732463)

Apparently from a freind's company who buys lots of dells their Free USB keychain drive offer (Here in the UK at least) was only good for 1 week after they announced the removal of floppy disks. Please someone else tell me this is wrong :-(

Email regarding Evil Bit RFC (4, Funny)

Bradee-oh! (459922) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732473)

Good Afternoon,

What or who determines the "evilness" or "goodness" of the packet? If a security admin or OS can determine or flag bits as good, what keeps the hacker from spoofing this process by setting the bit to "good"? Does the bit change based on behavior? Or maybe a database with signatures of "bad" bits?

(name deleted)
Microsoft Corporation


Dear (name deleted),

The complete protocol is not yet formalized, but you can be assured that any packet from your companies domain should have the bit set.

Signed,
-All irrational slashdot readers who flame MS as a reflex

(it's a joke, people)

Actually my reaction was: (2, Insightful)

einhverfr (238914) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732665)

Good Afternoon,

What or who determines the "evilness" or "goodness" of the packet? If a security admin or OS can determine or flag bits as good, what keeps the hacker from spoofing this process by setting the bit to "good"? Does the bit change based on behavior? Or maybe a database with signatures of "bad" bits?

(name deleted)
Microsoft Corporation


Now I understand why Microsoft products have troubled security records..... I don't think I will be buying your products any time soon....

The jokes on you (1)

(void*) (113680) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732800)

Since the emails were likely received by SMTP, what reason do you have to believe MS actually wrote that?


I guess it's correct becuase the firewall rejects packets with the evil bit!

If it's a trust issue... (1)

Pyrosophy (259529) | more than 11 years ago | (#5733139)

Of course M$ can be trusted. They can be trusted to be evil!

Here's a question about the Evil Bit thing. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732480)



Here's a question...

How come no one ever posts links to hot babes engaging in even hotter sex acts?

I mean, sure there are the folks who continually link to the goatse guy's site (not to be confused with torrentse.cx -- the best place to download BitTorrent files).

But how come there are no links to the hot porno babes?

Here You Go! (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:Here You Go! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732750)

let this be proof that moderators have lost all sense of humor. i can understand moderating shit down that's lame but links to porn? who mods that down? man, you people need to lighten the fuck up.

i hope you get meta-modded out of the pool you fucking chumps. jesus christ, isn't an online discussion forum supposed to be somewhat fun? most of the shit that gets modded up as funny is just lame ego-stroking that's not inventive or witty. the "trolls" are the only intelligent people that post here and are thus the only reason to read slashdot. i wish there was a way to read all posts at 1 or below and filter out any posts modded higher than that. perhaps i'll submit a feature request. (this is on-topic because this is slashback you fucking morons.)

Apple pulled a what out of its what?! (5, Funny)

no_opinion (148098) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732481)

Said one former Apple exec: 'Apple always needs to pull a rabbit out of its hat. Universal is a pretty big rabbit.'

You don't save a drowning man by throwing him another drowning man.

Re:Apple pulled a what out of its what?! (2, Funny)

Tokerat (150341) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732542)


What are you talking about? Why would SCO buy Universal?

Re:Apple pulled a what out of its what?! (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732726)

Apple always needs to pull a rabbit out of its hat.

That trick never works!

Re:Apple pulled a what out of its what?! (1)

KnightStalker (1929) | more than 11 years ago | (#5733001)

I'd give good money to see Steve Jobs tear his jacket apart and say "nothin' up my sleeve!" :-)

Drowning man? Perhaps! (-1)

SalsaDoom (14830) | more than 11 years ago | (#5733230)

I don't know. I once heard that a really fat man would actually float nicely in salt water. Its probably bullshit, but ... I imagine if Universal was a man, it'd be pretty fat. So maybe!

--SD

Not everyone at MS understands the evil bit (1, Redundant)

saskboy (600063) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732508)

"Good Afternoon,

What or who determines the "evilness" or "goodness" of the packet? If a security admin or OS can determine or flag bits as good, what keeps the hacker from spoofing this process by setting the bit to "good"? Does the bit change based on behavior? Or maybe a database with signatures of "bad" bits?

(name deleted)
Microsoft Corporation
"

It is actually quite easy to determine the evilness of a packet. If it comes from an IP assigned to the Microsoft corporation, then it is surely an evil packet. Porn packets get an evil bit, only if the porn is considered illegal in Utah.

Re:EEK! REPOST, sorry (1)

saskboy (600063) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732530)

All /. posts by me that happen to have been simultaneously posted by other /. users could have been prevented if the evil bit was implemented. All redundant post packets would be assigned evil bits, thus rendering the newest evil redundant packets dead, and avoiding the repost.

Re:Not everyone at MS understands the evil bit (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732548)

There's illegal porn in Utah?

Re:Not everyone at MS understands the evil bit (1)

fobbman (131816) | more than 11 years ago | (#5733171)

Hey! That's putting what I don't want and what I want into the same pile! That's not fair!

What's a Quine? (5, Informative)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732531)

I hope I'm not the only one who didn't recognize what a "Quine" was, so here we go:

A quine is a program that, when run, exactly reproduces its source code. Nifty - although not particularly useful, it's still kinda neat.

Anyway, find quines in, uh, many languages at The Quine Page [nyx.net] .

Re:What's a Quine? (1)

eniu!uine (317250) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732660)

Well, it has something to do with a tortoise, an electron in a crystal in a magnetic field, and a meta-meta-meta genie.. I remember that much. Actually reading anything by W.V. Quine was quite impossible for me though, it's like reading RFCs... who the hell wou... uh nevermind.

Re:What's a Quine? (2, Interesting)

Ptolemarch (11506) | more than 11 years ago | (#5733164)

Nifty - although not particularly useful, it's still kinda neat.

Quines are particularly useful, actually. It proves that there can, conceptually at least, exist a machine capable of replicating itself in full.

As an example, nanotechnology presumes that we'll be able to build machines that could build exact copies of themselves, in order that we don't have to make machines to stamp out billions of microscopic nanites. Well, is this possible? It's tempting to just say "sure, of course", and it is indeed possible, but not obviously so.

If a nanite's going to make an exact copy of itself, it has to copy its brain. Which means it has to store the blueprints for its brain. Which means it has to be able to replicate *that*. Et cetera.

Try it! Try writing your own quine. It isn't trivial. But it is possible, which makes nanotech doable in theory. If quines didn't exist, or let's say they were provably impossible, nanotech would be that much more implausible.

RFC (5, Funny)

genka (148122) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732543)

It should be noted that if evil bit (RFC 3514) is used with TCP by Pigeon (RFC 1149), evil bit is dropped. In fact, a lot of evil bits are dropped

Re:RFC (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732675)

nerd

Re:RFC (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732908)

bitch

Quine (4, Informative)

FosterSJC (466265) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732552)

For those not so programming-savvy (i.e. me, 5 minutes ago), a quine is "a program that generates a copy of its own source text as its complete output."

Apparently Douglas Hofstadter (of GEB [barnesandnoble.com] fame)coined the phrase after logician Willard van Orman Quine [barnesandnoble.com] .

For more see: http://www.nyx.net/~gthompso/quine.htm [nyx.net]

evil bit (4, Funny)

dna_(c)(tm)(r) (618003) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732605)

"[...]April 1st. (I believe you may have seen something on Slashdot about it.) "
Yes, but could you please post a full story on it.

Upping their meds (3, Funny)

coupland (160334) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732619)

What did the very last guy say in Steve Bellovin's update? The guy from Microsoft? Sorry but my browser came up with a message "Error: content blocked (RFC3514)". Please tell...

Niels Provos, crypto and Super-DMCA (2, Insightful)

Cthefuture (665326) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732621)

What the hell is all that about?

I didn't even know (or maybe chose to forget) about this Super-DMCA crap.

What states has this passed in? It seems overly broad in scope and extremely scary. According to the article the laws are mainly meant for people hacking satellite and cable services. But damn, they're so broad it makes all sorts of things illegal.

I find it completely bizzare that this is even going on... How stupid are our (US) government leaders?!

Re:Niels Provos, crypto and you got it! (0, Troll)

JW Troll (607432) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732749)

let's see... your country 'elected' a terrorist bent on the destruction of women and children at great cost of life to American soldiers.. he can't pronounce common English words, despite that English is ostensibly his mother tongue.... the DMCA effectively revokes 'free speech' yet Americans in general seem not to care beyond a not-so-vocal minority.. the PATRIOT Act effectively allows your Gestapo (or equivalent - is that the FBI?) to arrest and detain any 'citizen' without trial indefinitely.. I'd say your leaders aren't the only stupid ones, friend. Ouch.

Re:Niels Provos, crypto and you got it! (0)

Planesdragon (210349) | more than 11 years ago | (#5733137)

let's see... your country 'elected' a terrorist bent on the destruction of women and children at great cost of life to American soldiers..

Hey, come on now. Not even Saddam Hussein or Hitler were "bent" on torture and destruction. They were just brutal enough to resort to such caustic methods.

Bush is willing to resort to torturing "terrorists" and starting a war to take out said "terrorists" and their friendly secular tyrant--the women and children and soldiers who die are, if not myth, collateral damage.

he can't pronounce common English words, despite that English is ostensibly his mother tongue....

Acutally, my own critizisms of Bush stem less from his inability to perfectly pronounce technical terms (and "terrahr"), and more from his word-choice and poor delivery... but we have to give him some credit, he's a texan. ;)

the DMCA effectively revokes 'free speech' yet Americans in general seem not to care beyond a not-so-vocal minority..

No. The DMCA limits (a bit too harshly) some specific speach. It no more eliminates free speech than any other restrain on what you can say when to whom wihtout consequence.

Oh, and it was signed by Clinton. The DMCA is law--Chapter 12, Title 17, USC.

the PATRIOT Act effectively allows your Gestapo (or equivalent - is that the FBI?) to arrest and detain any 'citizen' without trial indefinitely..

You mean any "terrorist." The FBI has to believe (and proove to someone, even if only their superiors) that the suspect is a terrorist.

no such thing (4, Funny)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732624)

There are no AOL users on the Internet there will never be, never!. AOL users are commiting suicide at the gateways of the internet and we will contune to encourage more suicides. AOL has never had any share of the market and at the moment is a small stupid little company that has no power what so ever. AOL never distrubited CD's or floppies. The author of the article is a liar. These are lies! lies i tell you!
-Mhmd al-sharif, former iraqi information minister

FP!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732664)

Fifth Post!!!! (in this topic regarding the evil bit RFC.)

Let this be the proof... (3, Funny)

zurab (188064) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732676)

... that Microsoft employees are extremely devoted to RFCs and all public standards. Here's a Microsoft employee who, in good faith, researched and tried to contribute to the development of a new RFC - all this before (s)he even got and read the manager's memo saying it was April 1st.

LAST POST (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732701)

NO FURTHER POSTING ALLOWED THX

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Clarification (3, Interesting)

birdman666 (144812) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732716)

Am I the only person who assumes Apple Computers would keep the name of Universal if they were to buy the record company, therefore flying under the radar. The agreement with Apple Corps was to avoid confusion in the marketplace. If the music products still carried the Universal name, wouldn't Apple Computers be in the clear even if they were the parent company?

Re:Clarification (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5732732)

You fucking asshole! Did you not see this post [slashdot.org] ??? It's directly fucking above yours and is clearly marked as the last fucking post! You douche - don't you know anything? Can't you fucking read you goddamned nigger?!?!?! Fuck, I want to slap you for being such a goddamned fairy about this shit. In the future, don't fuck up this badly or I'll hire black people to follow your pansy white ass around and make you piss yourself.

Slashback tonight brings... (2, Insightful)

kubrick (27291) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732793)

Slashback tonight brings updates and clarifications on ... the Evil Bit RFC

Nooooooo! Make it stop!

An exerpt from the quine (3, Funny)

Perdo (151843) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732806)

Just in case it gets slashdotted of course.



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Reason: Please use fewer 'junk' characters.

Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

If it won't make it through the lameness filter, how does it get posted as a non-lame story?

Build a hard drive wind chime... (5, Interesting)

Jonah Hex (651948) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732902)

Since the days of the death of MFM hard drives I've been stripping dead drives of their platters and using them for wind chimes. The platters resonate with crystal clear tones when struck against each other, and I've never had one I couldn't use from notebook drives to IDE/SCSI drives.

Besides the usual nylon line and a wooden dowel or two for the upper support, you do need a few different type of screwdriver bits, since most drives use odd shaped star/torx screwheads. If you have any trouble just grab a drill and destroy the screws, at this stage who cares about what the case ends up looking like. And a final tip, you may want to spray the platters with a thin clear coat if your putting them outside.

Jonah Hex

evil bit (3, Funny)

shadowbolt (624977) | more than 11 years ago | (#5732924)

Maybe somebody could re-iterate the evil bit story for me... I must have missed that one.

Sometimes, when I eat something, I drink something. [www.homestarrunner.com]

Re:evil bit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5733053)

Yeah, the three slashdots by noon weren't enough...

The "USB Foreman Grill" that is powered by the USB port and Y2K's own 04/01 RFC "Infinite Monkey Protocol Suite" both rank higher on my list. Of course "IP over avian carriers" is still making the rounds amongst the uninitiated.

Maybe I'll take the time to write one some year. Something about an auto-sensing humor nybble. Yeah, that's the ticket...

*BSD is dying (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5733043)

It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

My favorit bit: (1)

Trevalyx (627273) | more than 11 years ago | (#5733129)

One response was rather, umm, "interesting". I never knew that RFCs could inspire this sort of thought.
I was reading your info about the proposed RFC and my mind and fingers strayed to check out my own evil bit...
I've just got my breath back. Shouldn't there be a health warning about playing with your own bits?

Apple Records (2, Informative)

Niscenus (267969) | more than 11 years ago | (#5733168)

Yes, Paul thought it had a ring to it, too. It's been a sub-division of EMI since just before Revolver.

John and I, however, used a later song, and out of that (in dual non-pseudo-semi-indirecty-partnery-sub-divisionism ismism), we created Subafilms for our toonery attempts at an animaty-musi-movie.

--Ringo

I like the floppy creations... (1)

razmaspaz (568034) | more than 11 years ago | (#5733196)

Too bad model rocketry is now illegal or he just might be able to make them fly like he wants.

RFC 3514 (1)

X-Nc (34250) | more than 11 years ago | (#5733254)

Hey, it sounded good to me. Why not? ;-)
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