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Phoenix and Minotaur Get New Names

timothy posted about 11 years ago | from the but-not-new-icons dept.

Mozilla 485

blazerw11 writes "Phoenix and Minotaur have been officially renamed to Firebird for the browser and Thunderbird for the mail client. Interestingly, they're both named after cars I often see in my neighbors' lawns. At least these cars were pretty fast before they were put up on cinder blocks. Personally, I like the names and the browser is great. I'm writing this with one of the last Phoenix Nightlies."

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Umm... (-1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5733316)

Why is this news?

Don't Do what Donny Don't does.

Re:Umm... (1)

deadsaijinx* (637410) | about 11 years ago | (#5733341)

Probably because there was a rather odd debacle over the name Pheonix being taken and the team being forced to change it. Of course, the name firebird isn't all that different than pheonix ^^ but thats what they were going for. And, if most people are like me, they have been curious to find out the new name of Pheonix, err.. sorry, Firebird (i say pheonix sounded better).
Course, it might just be a slow news day ^^ (j/k).
Either way, the editors do have a strange notion of what constitutes as news, but who am I to complain. Or an AC for that matter.

Re:Umm... (4, Interesting)

smcpeek (304648) | about 11 years ago | (#5733375)

One issue I see right away is this "Firebird" is not the same as the one found in http://firebird.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] which could be confusing to people looking for this Firebird (or confusing to the people looking for the other Firebird...)

Re:Umm... (4, Insightful)

Monkey-Man2000 (603495) | about 11 years ago | (#5733494)

Yeah, what's up with that. Did they not do a google search [google.com] in their investigations? Or are they not concerned about conflicting names with another OS project? It even beats out the car on a search.

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5733320)

DAMMIT I MISSED!

wOOt! (4, Funny)

DwarfGoanna (447841) | about 11 years ago | (#5733321)

So the 'Phear This!' and 'Calvin pissing on IE' skins will be forthcoming, right? =)

Re:wOOt! (1)

chunkwhite86 (593696) | about 11 years ago | (#5733348)

So the 'Phear This!' and 'Calvin pissing on IE' skins will be forthcoming, right? =)

Don't forget the confederate flag stickers and obligatory NRA sticker.

in related news... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5733324)

In related news, Internet Explorer is being renamed "Pinto," reflecting its tendency to blow up.

Re:in related news... (5, Funny)

Mipmap (569611) | about 11 years ago | (#5733329)

I moderated you to flamebait - because, well, Pintos are flamebait (and so is IE)

Re:in related news... (0, Offtopic)

deadsaijinx* (637410) | about 11 years ago | (#5733365)

For me its the Gremling or nothing. Now that was one hot car (especially when it exploded). Course, I really don't know why you would ever name a car model Gremling (even if it was appropriate).

Now, excuse me as I get modded off-topic.

Re:in related news... (1)

idiotnot (302133) | about 11 years ago | (#5733475)

AMC Gremlin. And they didn't have the Pinto's exploding problems. Good car, actually, if a bit odd-looking.

Re:in related news... (1)

AvitarX (172628) | about 11 years ago | (#5733503)

No, they were crap cars. They were under powered and/or overwight.

They were originally designed for the smaller more powerful rotary engines that crapped out at 20,000 miles (this was discovered late in the cars designing. The V6 they tossed in didn't cut it like it should of.

The weight problem led to not very good performance and bad fuel economy so the car was neither sporty or economy.

It is one of the cars that blesses the pages of a book on auto lemons I own (as does the Pinto due to it's tendancy to exploade).

The gremlin has a "cool" look to it, but besides that is is not a good car.

P.S. I was going to buy one based soley on the (un)cool factor, but the price was too high to justify it (I had 1500 for a car, not the 4000 the guy wanted).

Re:in related news... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5733461)

Ford and GMC have threatened legal action on the newly renamed Firebird and Thunderbird web browser and email clients. AMD is considering similar action. Rumor has it they were considering using the name Firebird for their next line of processors.
In other developments TOHO copyright holders of Godzilla are considering their stance in all the flurry.

a great compact browser (4, Insightful)

eenglish_ca (662371) | about 11 years ago | (#5733325)

Pheonix is a great browser for me cause I am stuck using P2 233 with winnt in my comp sci class with no ie installed. The only issue is that I have to store pheonix on my personal drive which is a max of 48 megs. The pheonix I use is 12 megs which is 1/4 of the space. Conclusion: Pheonix is a great light browser performance wise but it has to be more compressed in terms of size still.

Re:a great compact browser (3, Interesting)

Effugas (2378) | about 11 years ago | (#5733370)

Have you tried runtime-compressing the Phoenix binary with UPX? Let me know how it goes.

--Dan
www.doxpara.com

Compress it with UPX (5, Informative)

Phantasmo (586700) | about 11 years ago | (#5733389)

Use UPX [sf.net] to compress phoenix.exe. I'm running one of the nightlies and I got it to go from 6.6MB to 2.7MB. It's not a lot of space, but it helps, and there's no decrease in speed.

Re:a great compact browser (1)

deadsaijinx* (637410) | about 11 years ago | (#5733414)

If size compression was your number one concern, you could always just use Lynx ^^. Of course, Phoenix, errm, sorry, firebird, is pretty damn small for being a full fledged browser. Not to say that there isn't room for improvement, but I'd say it's about as small of a full fledged browser as you'll find. Course, there is the less popular K-meleon browser (same enginge), but it ends up being 11-12 megs with all the standard plugins. So, if you were to choose not to install the plug-ins (do you really need them at school), K-meleon might be a nice alternative.

ghostzilla (2, Informative)

SHEENmaster (581283) | about 11 years ago | (#5733430)

for in-class use you might wanna try ghostzilla [ghostzilla.com]. We switched to it in my high school computer programming class (a joke, I wanted to vomit when I saw the teachers code formatting.) and not a single person was ever caught using it.

It will do cool things like open inside existing windows in greyscale with images only shown on mouseover, and it will disappear when you mouse leaves its area on to come back with a flick of the wrist. If you don't need precautions that serious, it has lesser settings of paranoia.

Re:ghostzilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5733487)

I love Ghostzilla. It's what I use to search for jobs while I'm at work ;^)

Re:a great compact browser (-1)

Miguel de Icaza (660439) | about 11 years ago | (#5733496)

i think you might be better off using opera,thats the most feature complete compact (4MB) browser i know of (if you can live with the ads)

Request. (5, Insightful)

numbski (515011) | about 11 years ago | (#5733326)

I love the Mozilla herd, but please do me a favor...

Quit renaming all the browsers! Every time I recommend them to a friend or coworker, the name changes and they get confused. :(

Re:Request. (5, Insightful)

Fnkmaster (89084) | about 11 years ago | (#5733435)

Okay, howzabout you ask everybody with a vaguely related product to stop threatening the Mozilla project with lawsuits, then they'll stop renaming their browsers.

Re:Request. (3, Informative)

Planesdragon (210349) | about 11 years ago | (#5733447)

Quit renaming all the browsers! Every time I recommend them to a friend or coworker, the name changes and they get confused. :(

You don't recommend them very much, do you?

Netscape was "re-named" to Mozilla--which, in a way, is just publicizing the name it always had.

"Gecko" has always been the Mozilla render engine.

"Phoenix" stared out as "Phoenix" as "micro-Mozilla", and we've known for, oh, six months or so that it had to be re-named.

Minotaur is almost brand'spankin' new--and every mention I've seen of it had "to be re-named to thunderbird" stamped on it.

Re:Request. (0, Offtopic)

numbski (515011) | about 11 years ago | (#5733481)

Jesus of Nazareth did not die so we could enjoy eggs and chocolate bunnies!


Sure he did. That, and to save us from our sins, but who's sparing the details?

I was really hoping... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5733328)

It would be Mercury and Thunderbird, but then Ford might get all upset.

in other news (1)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | about 11 years ago | (#5733330)

openoffice has been renamed el camino. FART.

Bloody Codenames! (2, Insightful)

mungeh (663492) | about 11 years ago | (#5733332)

Why do software (and hardware) developers feel they need to change the names of their products when they finish them? Just to confuse us? Please there must be someone who can clarify this! I see it time and time again, paticularly with CPUs: Clawhammer, Sledgehammer, Northwood... Not to mention Longhorn, *insert some other codenamed thingy here*

They had to rename Phoenix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5733364)

It wasn't just some codename. Phoenix is already being used by another browser, so a new name was necessary.

Re:Bloody Codenames! (1)

be-fan (61476) | about 11 years ago | (#5733366)

A codename is cool, something the engineers can throw around while they are developing it. A final product is a dumb POS dreamed up by marketing morons to cater to their vision of what the public wants.

Re:Bloody Codenames! (1)

mungeh (663492) | about 11 years ago | (#5733417)

they can throw it around? Obviously they do this a lot... sort of defies the purpose of a codename though (to hide what they're talking about) but everyone always seems to knows what these codenames mean before the final product is out, probably from the engineers 'throwing it around' while they're developing it?
I nearly like codenames, but it gets confusing when I tell my *lame* friends to wait for the Clawhammer to come out before they upgrade as
1) it's not out and
2) it wont be called clawhammer when it does come out.

Re:Bloody Codenames! (3, Informative)

deadsaijinx* (637410) | about 11 years ago | (#5733434)

because there was some copyright problem with Pheonix (taken by someone else, don't remember whom though).

What your talking about though is codenames. Those are supposed to change once the product is released. Excuse me if i'm wrong, but Pheonix wasn't a code name, It was a product name.

Re:Bloody Codenames! (5, Informative)

uhmmmm (512629) | about 11 years ago | (#5733446)

Phoenix was renamed to avoid potential legal problems from Phoenix BIOS.

Re:Bloody Codenames! (1)

mungeh (663492) | about 11 years ago | (#5733456)

Maybe they should've said that in the original news post?
I for one had no idea _why_ they had renamed. Maybe i'm just a dumbass?

Re:Bloody Codenames! (2, Informative)

Art Tatum (6890) | about 11 years ago | (#5733465)

The problems with Phoenix are Trademark related. The BIOS manufacturer called 'Phoenix' is releasing a web-browser built in to their BIOSes (though their browser is *not* called Phoenix) and got all huffy because there was an open source browser called Phoenix already. So they threatened to sue/torture/beat the shit out of the Phoenix team unless they changed the name.

Something similar happened with the Chimera browser too, I think.

Re:Bloody Codenames! (1)

saskboy (600063) | about 11 years ago | (#5733492)

I think they have to give it a real proper name.

I mean, are you going to remember what "Browser 8472" would mean?

Re:Bloody Codenames! (5, Funny)

chunkwhite86 (593696) | about 11 years ago | (#5733512)

Northwood... Not to mention Longhorn

These names are getting cruder and cruder... Pretty soon we will see the new "Largenuts" northbridge and the "Bigcock" processor to go with it.

Maybe it's just me that's getting cruder? ... Nah.

What about... (3, Funny)

kruetz (642175) | about 11 years ago | (#5733334)

Firenerd and Thundernerd? Seems kinda fitting, don't you think?

And we can call the IRC client ChunderWord, because that's basically the point of IRC chat.

(to "chunder" is to vomit)

Re:What about... (4, Funny)

zCyl (14362) | about 11 years ago | (#5733509)

Firenerd and Thundernerd?

Do you really think we need more subliminal suggestions of "Firenerd" in this economy?

Unity in the product line (2, Insightful)

El Cubano (631386) | about 11 years ago | (#5733337)

I think this is good. It will give user a theme they can identify with (especially if all the mozilla derivatives follow the convention).

But I guess they already had a theme going with fantasy creatures to begin with. I wonder where it will go.

"Phoenix" joins the Browser Relocation Program (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5733342)

After numerous attempts on it's life by the Microsoft mafia family, Phoenix is being given a new name and identity an an undisclosed website in the hopes of protecting it.

Troll-Off! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5733350)

Fuck you you fucking ass-licking dick-faced jerk-off ass-sucking asshole with a mouthful o cum.

Chimera renamed to Camino (5, Informative)

krisp (59093) | about 11 years ago | (#5733369)

You'll also notice that the Mozilla team's MacOS X browser has been renamed Camino [mozilla.org]. Cars are definatly in style for them.

"Firebird" is also taken (5, Informative)

Frater 219 (1455) | about 11 years ago | (#5733372)

Firebird [sourceforge.net] is also taken as an open-source project name. It is an SQL DBMS (database system) founded on Borland InterBase. It's actually supposed to be a fast and reliable DBMS -- possibly even more so than PostgreSQL.

These folks must not have looked very hard if they thought "Firebird" was a name with no conflicts in the open-source world. Firebird SQL is on SourceForge, a pretty obvious place to look.

Re:"Firebird" is also taken (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5733441)

Naming conflicts in the open-source world was not the issue that forced the Phoenix -> Firebird change: Phoenix technologies,who also produced a browser product, owned the trademark on 'phoenix'.

As for a quasi-obscure DB? I think that a server side app and a web browser are easily differentiable. You can't download a database to view web pages and you can't do SELECTs on a web browser. And afaik they don't own the trademark. So I really don't think that it's that significant of a change.

Re:"Firebird" is also taken (2, Informative)

Fnkmaster (89084) | about 11 years ago | (#5733452)

They knew perfectly well about other products that use the name Firebird, it's just that they aren't relevant to the domain of web browsing software. Trademark law only grants protection over a certain domain - and Mozilla/Netscape had their lawyers spend several weeks giving the new names a thorough checking-out prior to announcing them.

Re:"Firebird" is also taken (1)

molarmass192 (608071) | about 11 years ago | (#5733459)

Good point, how about Dart, Duster, or Camero ... all timeless mullet rides and I *think* still unclaimed, at least so far as software goes. I'm kinda partial towards Duster myself!

Question is (4, Funny)

einhverfr (238914) | about 11 years ago | (#5733464)

How many people will accidently install the Firebird RDBMS thinking it is the web browser....

In other news... (5, Funny)

chunkwhite86 (593696) | about 11 years ago | (#5733374)

The Evolution(tm) Mail client will be renamed "Camaro", while the Abiword is skipping the subtle but amusing titles and jumping right into it with their latest release, codenamed "WhiteTrash"

Firebird already taken? (1)

Audent (35893) | about 11 years ago | (#5733379)

http://firebird.sourceforge.net/

given that Phoenix (go Phoenix, you rock) is changing its name because of a perceived conflict with some other non-browser stuff, isn't it ironic that Firebird is also already taken?

Re:Firebird already taken? (1)

netdemonboberb (314045) | about 11 years ago | (#5733423)

Nowadays, it seems you can't come up with any name that isn't already taken. I imagine that's why many car makers are now just giving their cars model numbers as opposed to real names.

Re:Firebird already taken? (1)

Sancho (17056) | about 11 years ago | (#5733500)

As I recall, Phoenix wanted to expand BIOS functions to include some fairly basic services, including internet services. Thus their Phoenix trademark could apply to web browsers. This was in a story awhile back, but I can't find it now.

Wow! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5733382)

You people are so redneck and you don't even know it!

Why not Volvo XC90 or something? (4, Funny)

netdemonboberb (314045) | about 11 years ago | (#5733388)

Volvos are more classy than Thunderbirds and Firebirds.

Volvos suck ass! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5733402)

Shut the fuck up! Volvos suck ass, you bitch! They are not American and only America makes good cars, you unpatriotic ass!

For all the Aussies out there (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5733507)

Why not name it after a real car...

The "XY GT HO Phase3" Browser

Reason for name change (1)

djfumberger (461144) | about 11 years ago | (#5733392)

The browser was renamed because of legal issues. I think phoenix the bios makers were the ones breathing down their neck. There some info on the site about it http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/

Huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5733405)

"Mozilla Lite" (Low Calories) was already taken?

That's a great name... (1)

hubbah (635375) | about 11 years ago | (#5733409)


... for finding out whether a lame monicker can kill a great browser.

Hubbah

Why not.... (2, Interesting)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | about 11 years ago | (#5733412)

Why not rename phoenix to "Internet Explorer", just to fuck with M$.
After all "Internet Explorer" shouldn't be allowed to be a trademark in Internet industry, the same argument as Windows being a trademark ?
Plus that way they can get totally clueless joe six-packs to download thinking they are upgrading their IE,
Wow imagine the user base generated by that ?

In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5733424)

M$ has patented any names that start or end with BIRD.

Ahem
if (you cant beat them)
{
then buy them
}
else
{
buy birdie num num

}

More open source confusion (2)

origin2k (302035) | about 11 years ago | (#5733425)

Why would they name it the same as the open source relational database firebird [sourceforge.net] project?

Originally open sourced by Borland (commercial name interbase).

NEW NAMES!!!! WHEEEE! (1)

teamhasnoi (554944) | about 11 years ago | (#5733427)

I love Phoenix,(since I'm still running some old win nightly), but when can I install on cluser's (clueless users) computers?

I run phoenix on all my x86 machines, and Chimera on my mac, but damnit!

The .5 release is incompatable with the new nightlies themes and extentions. The buttons don't work right, and the bookmark toolbar dies on every install. I believe the nightly I have has a mem leak, as it will get up to 60 megs, and I'll have to end the process.

I can't spread the joy of Firebird until I *know* its going to work on their PCs. Wacky rendering is ok, but stabillity and working features are a must.

And dear god, where is the installer that lets you choose the nightly you want, until .6 comes out?

Whew. Sorry baby.

I only yell 'cause I love ya, baby. You know that. Now go make me a Turkey pot pie!!

Heck if they go for car names (1, Funny)

lingqi (577227) | about 11 years ago | (#5733429)

They should at least go for ones you can't pronounce! like all the ones from Lamborghini cars.

Like, for example, Murcielago, which Car and Driver must have spent half a page telling people "This is how to pronounce this car's name."

And then you have citeroen and peugeot, which is pervasive, but still not easy to pronounce (correctly).

I mean, after commiting half an hour on the name alone, you are too invested (time wise) in the product to ever go anywhere else. I think that's how windows grab customers - by excruciating install processes. You invest the time in the install and don't really want to see that time "wasted" by going to another platform.

we can one-up them by using up people's time at the name alone!

ahem. so, anyway.

In other news... (5, Funny)

EricHsu (578881) | about 11 years ago | (#5733431)

Composer was renamed El Dorado Convertible, Chatzilla was renamed Dart Swinger and Camino, of course, remained unchanged.

In another surprise sequence of events, GCC was renamed GNU Caprice Classic and Emacs was renamed Pontiac Catalina.

Apparently as part of an prior agreement, the Chevy Tahoe was immediately renamed the GNU/Chevy Tahoe.

- Eric

/usr/bin/phoenix^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hfirebird (1)

dragonman97 (185927) | about 11 years ago | (#5733436)

Drat, looks like I'm going to have to set up an alias. I'm rather accustomed to typing !ph from bash these days (calls up `phoenix &`). I second prior comments about telling people I know about the aforementioned browser. I have raved about how great Phoenix is, and now if I mention Firebird, I'll have to find some way to make it clear that it's the same thing. I bet my boss it going to have some comment to make about this - he likes to make fun of the names of a bunch of Linux programs (though kind of unjustified at times - he thinks they sound silly).

Linux has been renamed (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5733439)

GNU/Beetle

The gayest vehicle on the road. It comes with a stock flower holder.

Firebird, as in... (3, Insightful)

frostman (302143) | about 11 years ago | (#5733443)

...the Database? [sourceforge.net]

Honestly, as much as I admire the work these folks do, I have to wonder how one medium-to-high-profile open-source project can decide to use the name of another.

It's not like there aren't other good poetic variations on the Phoenix theme.

Wasn't AMD naming their chips after cars too? (4, Interesting)

Mustang Matt (133426) | about 11 years ago | (#5733444)

Didn't AMD use Mustang and Thunderbird originally for their chips before they were released?

Thunderbird Ghetto Wine (2, Funny)

Ramuh (153125) | about 11 years ago | (#5733448)

From their old radio campaign: What's the word? Thunderbird! What's the jive? Bird's alive! What's the price? Thirty twice! Ah... enjoy the savory citrus flavor

Car Names. (5, Funny)

SpamJunkie (557825) | about 11 years ago | (#5733453)

First is was [El] Camino, now Firebird and Thunderbird? Damn. Mozilla people need to get out more. I can see my mother right now "I can't read my email in Firebird" and I'll say "Thunderbird" to which she'll respond "Whatever"

Joy.

Outlook (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5733454)

Has every g*ddamn email client worth using absolutely got to look like Outlook???

If I wanted to run Windows I'd run Windows.

Do OSS people just totally lack any imagination? Is Apple the only company that has neurons firing?

Why? (1)

stratjakt (596332) | about 11 years ago | (#5733455)

Is this open source design coming full circle, a la:

1) Pick a name for the project
2) Set up a webpage and/or sourceforge project
3) Wait for people to come write and test it for you
4) ?
5) Goto 1

What about Composer? (2, Interesting)

babymac (312364) | about 11 years ago | (#5733457)

What I'd really like to know is...has the old (Netscape) Composer been spun off into its own, stand-alone program? It sounds silly, but I really liked Composer. Simple and straightforward HTML creation. I'd love to see it offered as a stand-alone!

Mod this one up, please (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5733458)

Please mod this reply up as high as possible because it would be funny :-)

Does this mean.... (4, Funny)

G.I. Suck (656049) | about 11 years ago | (#5733470)

Everytime Firebird/Thunderbird crashes, I'll have to report it to my insurance company instead of bugzilla? I hope a tow truck can manage applications!

New graphics needed (2, Insightful)

netdemonboberb (314045) | about 11 years ago | (#5733497)

Now we need someone to design some really cool graphics.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cg i?id=202059

New Name (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5733504)

These are magical and exciting times! The rename has inspired me to change my name as well... I will hence forth be known as Jeff! Thanks You. Would someone be kind enough to post this on Slashdot.

Different profile file than Mozilla's. (-1)

s2r (461076) | about 11 years ago | (#5733506)

Finally they use another file than mozillas's one to store the profiles.
I was tired of creating all the emails accounts over and over.

Browser vs Database (1)

karearea (234997) | about 11 years ago | (#5733513)

So what browser are you using?
Firebird
No, not what database, what browser?
The open source web browser, Firebird.
Oh sorry, so you don't have the open source database Firebird [sourceforge.net] then?
thump
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