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Slashback: Discipline, License, Name-calling

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the departure-arrival dept.

Slashback 352

Slashback tonight brings you a boatload of updates and amplification to previous Slashdot stories, including: the outcome of the RIAA-driven administrative crackdown on file trading at the U.S. Naval Academy, the legal status of ambiguously labeled Microsoft "gimme" software, more information on the insecurities of Blackboard's card-based payment system, and more. Read on for the details!

Every day, in every way, I am becoming a better and better Lt. Junior Grade. alanjstr writes "The Baltimore Sun reports 'The Naval Academy has disciplined 85 students who used a military Internet connection to illegally swap copyrighted music and movies, but it stopped short of carrying out its threat to impose the maximum penalties of expulsion or court-martial, an academy document shows.' It goes on to say that the raid was spurred less by the RIAA and more by the threat of losing the internet connection due to the enormous amount of bandwidth consumed. The academy had given students several warnings before raiding the dorm rooms. Some of the hard drives seized last November were found to contain one or two copyrighted files, while others ran into the hundreds or thousands."

I bet they could make a better agreement with Xiph.org Magnetic Confinement writes "In an effort to make life more difficult for civic-minded Mac users, NPR has decided to drop Quicktime from its available streams. Nothing specific on their webpage addresses it, just some suspicious vacancies remain. Their helpdesk response is officially:

'NPR.org had been offering some of its audio in the Apple QuickTime format under an arrangement with Apple QuickTime. We regret that we were unable to reach mutually acceptable terms for a new arrangement with Apple QuickTime. As a result, NPR is unable to continue offering its content in this format.

You can also contact Apple QuickTime directly at: quicktime@apple.com

Weston
NPR Online'"

A note that got lost in the bin for too long ... JulesVD writes "Microsoft has agreed to tweak its Windows XP operating system in response to recent feedback from the Justice Department over its antitrust settlement with the federal government. (See news on Yahoo!) Microsoft will give more prominent display to a button in Windows that allows computer users to remove the company's Internet Explorer browser, company spokesman Jim Desler said. The Justice Department is overseeing Microsoft's compliance with the settlement. Placement of the button in a hard-to-reach spot in Windows was one of several complaints Microsoft's rivals made to the department last year."

Proportionality isn't just for the personals. You may still be boggling (I am) at the recently announced RIAA suits alleging that colleges and college students are liable for billions of dollars in damages to the music industry for facilitating online file trading. Reader Derek Lomas writes in with another editorial indicating "growing support at Yale for legal alternatives".

Even biggerness. The Gathering is billed by some as the the world's largest computer party. MC68040, though, writes "I'd like to remind everyone to have a look at dreamhack, that 'also' is the largest LAN in Sweden twice a year ... Which had over 5000 participants in 2001 and even more in 2002.. *arhem* Biggest you say?"

If you want to fight about "LAN party" vs. "Computer party," leave me out of it!

How about calling it "900t"? An anonymous reader writes "As previously reported, mozilla.org's Phoenix browser has been renamed to Firebird. This hasn't pleased supporters of the Firebird relational database project. In an Australian LinuxWorld article, one of their administrators calls the name change "one of the dirtiest deeds I've seen in open source so far." In a MozillaZine article, the same person accused mozilla.org of "theft" and "corporate bullying". They don't explain how it was different when they picked a name that was already used by a BBS, financial software manufacturer, Fenix IDE and games company. Meanwhile, IBPhoenix, an organisation that supports the development of the Firebird database, has put up a protest page, encouraging people to spam the MozillaZine forums (even though MozillaZine had nothing to do with the decision) and send masses of email to many Mozilla developers (most of whom were not involved in selecting the new name). I find it rather hypocritical that the Firebird database people are accusing Mozilla of "the filthiest of dirty tricks" while at the same time advocating the harassment of many Mozilla developers."

Point of clarification. batkid writes "In response to the article 'Microsoft pirating their own software,' Seems like MS is taking it pretty seriously. I got the following response from Microsoft (I am a faculty member, but the response should be the same to students).

April 9, 2003

RE: Visual Studio .NET Professional Edition and Windows XP Professional software distributed during the Microsoft Faculty Seminars

Dear Faculty Member, Thank you for attending the recent Microsoft Faculty Seminar. The purpose of this letter is to clarify questions concerning the legal use of the Visual Studio .NET Professional and Windows XP Professional software distributed to faculty who attended the Seminar. The software received is governed by the electronic license embedded in the product set up that appears prior to installation and no additional documentation is required.

Notwithstanding language on the CD label for the copies of Visual Studio .NET Professional Edition and Windows XP Professional Edition that you received during your attendance at the Seminar, which appeared to indicate that a separate license document was required in order for you to legally use the software, this letter will confirm that use by you of the software received is governed by the electronic license embedded in the product setup that appears prior to installation.

You are required to agree to accept the terms and conditions of this license prior to proceeding with the products' installation. Acceptance by you of these "Click to Accept" licenses is the only license required for your use of the copies of Visual Studio.NET Professional Edition and Windows XP Professional Edition received. We recommend that you keep a copy of this letter in your personal files for future reference."

Thanks for passing that along.

What if Masterlock security was assured this way? Monday, you read that security researchers Billy Hoffman and Virgil Griffith (known as Vergil and Acidus) were were prevented from speaking at a security conference by means of a Cease and Desist order from Blackboard, Inc.. The two planned to talk about security flaws found in Blackboard's Transaction System.

In a mail posted at Declan McCullagh's Politech mailing list, David Yaskin of Blackboard responds to the criticism that the company's legal action has drawn. John R. Hall has posted a FAQ explaining some particulars of the Blackboard Transaction System which Virgil and Acidus aren't at liberty to discuss, as well as contradicting some claims that Yaskin makes in the posted email.

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You needed more dithcipline to beat my firth poth! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5747806)

Lookth like a firth poth ladieth!

Hey, I could use one of those... (5, Funny)

avalys (221114) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747815)

*highlights*
*Ctrl-C*
*Ctrl-V*
*Prints Letter*
*Launches Gnutella*

Why blame NPR? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5747821)

In an effort to make life more difficult for civic-minded Mac users, NPR has decided to drop Quicktime from its available streams.

How do we know Apple wasn't being unreasonable in the terms they wanted?

BTW, those Phoenix database people sound really mature.

Firebird (1)

Craig Ringer (302899) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748038)

yeah ... I was familiar with the firebird project and thought the Phoenix project had made a rather poor name choice. My sympathy (for all it matters) has been very quickly eroded by the reactions of the Firebird folk. Not what you'd call appropriate behaviour.

Re:Why blame NPR? (5, Interesting)

ragingmime (636249) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748048)

I don't think it would be a matter of Apple wanting an agreeable contract. Nobody needs Apple's permission to do Quicktime streams - you just buy Quicktime server software, plug it in, and go. It sounds (although I'm really not up on how these contracts work) like NPR wanted some sort of reimbursement from Apple for them to provide Quicktime streams. I see no reason (or legal method) for Apple to prevent NPR from using its software - I just think they decided that having NPR broadcast in their format wasn't worth the money. Just a theory - I have no real hard evidence on that - but I think it makes sense.

Re:Why blame NPR? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5748149)

Who cares anyways? Quicktime is loaded with adware and I despise having to use it. We really need an opensource alternative streaming video server.

Adware in Qicktime? (3, Informative)

ragingmime (636249) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748224)

Adware? I have Quicktime, and I don't remember getting any adware with it... but maybe I missed something. But yeah, an open source alternative would be really nice... go Theora [theora.org] ! (I'm assuming that someone will work out a way to stream it after it comes out, the way Icecast [icecast.org] does for Ogg [oggvorbis.org] .)

Re:Why blame NPR? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5748235)

Blah blah blah~! I despise the aforementioned party. I also have an elitist remark which exemplifies my superior intelligence and would usurp their viability. Huzza!

C'mon let's go, AC to AC!

The Blackboard Presentation (5, Informative)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747823)

The whole Blackboard presentation - including a .PPT attachment with photos of GT's physical security problems - is available at Cryptome [cryptome.org] .

Don't worry. It opens in Open Office Impress just fine!

POOP!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5747826)

You shall eat my POOP!! Eat it and spit the corn out!!

Dishonest statistics (5, Insightful)

Elpacoloco (69306) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747828)

Remember that joke about the kid who prooves that he has no time to attend school, since he must spend x days sleeping and x days eating and x days are weekends.....

The kid in this joke arrives at the figure that he does because the way he does it counts a good portion of time twice. (IE: Sleep and weekends overlaps...)
The RIAA I think is counting things twice when it obtains these "Billion Dollar" figures. I think that it counts the number of P2P transactions and multiplies it by the cost of an album. This dispite people downloading songs that they would never buy. In fact, one could further inflate the figures by including incompleted transactions as a full one.

Billions of Dollars? Baloney.

Re:Dishonest statistics (4, Insightful)

menasius (202515) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747876)

I agree, it doesn't fit logically.

The Music Industry is a big thing. However, my arguement to the exageration of these figures is that the music industry has supposedly taken "billions in losses". Even a behemoth like that would feel billions in losses and it would be visible. The airlines are having rough times and its obvious, it's not that they are trying to screw anyone it just seriously looks like they are in a great hurry to fix things and are making mistakes.

All the music industry has done is file suit, but the state of the industry doesnt say "we are fighting a loosing battle". If they lost billions where are the record labels that are dropping production or cutting wages to try to save the ship.

Thats just my 2 billion cents.

-bort

Re:Dishonest statistics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5748020)

not to mention the fact that in at least a portion of instances, P2P is helping artists to grow and get publiscized(sp?)

PEACE

Re:Dishonest statistics (4, Interesting)

Slowping (63788) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748037)

They also conveniently don't count back in compensating income designed to offset these "losses", like the RIAA CDR tax. Seeing as how they haven't really paid any of that tax back to the artists, I'm guessing that's quite a deep source of income for the RIAA.

Anyone got numbers for the amount they collect via CDR tax?

Re:Dishonest statistics (2, Interesting)

Col. Klink (retired) (11632) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748052)

Or downloading 7 songs from a single album as "7 lost album sales".

just goes to show... (1)

retardedtimmah (665966) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748105)

this just goes to show how unreliable statistics can be when they are relied on too heavily as absolute information. RiAA needs to get a clue :\ i don't see how this is ever going to happen tho. At any rate, I don't see them starving to death from lost sales. If Mr. RiAA was really so dirt poor from all us MP3 "PiRATES", I'd gladly take him to Burger King and hook him up w/ a super-value-plus-that-makes-it-big meal or something PEACE

Re:Dishonest statistics (1, Troll)

stubear (130454) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748205)

The billiosn of dollars figure is not baloney, it is based on the penalties incurred under US Copyright Law. When you infringe copyrights you don't say "a'right coppa, ya gots me. Here's the scratch for the albums I stole" and simply walk away. Being found guilty of breaking laws come with penalties and in teh case of copyrights, stiff financial penalties per infringement (per song in this case, not per album). These morons would have been better off simply buying the music they listen to.

3 kinds of lies (3, Funny)

ralico (446325) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748228)

Well, you know there are 3 kinds of lies:
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics," Disraeli [btwebworld.com]

Blackboard (2, Interesting)

ggwood (70369) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747834)

Anyone know of a substitue for Blackboard? Open source or otherwise? I don't use it here at CSUN, but other Universities I deal with do use it. I was actually going to push it for the physics department here, but not now. Thanks.

Re:Blackboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5747898)

dotLRN [mit.edu] is in use at MIT's sloan school of business. looks pretty good; I've set one up for culverhouse here in tuscaloosa.

Sinapse (4, Interesting)

lpret (570480) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748043)

I'm working on a project called sinapse [sinapse.org] that is a PHP/db portal for students. It's in use by Oklahoma University [ou.edu] , Oklahoma State University [okstate.edu] , and I'm currently working on the Baylor University [baylor.edu] implementation. However, I've been writing a module for it specifically for teachers to be able to cover the same functions as Blackboard. Sinapse is the only education focused software for this usage AFAIK.

rofl (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5747838)

Like the man in the citay

You got a ciiiitaaaaaaay

deeehehehehehe

Name calling? (-1, Offtopic)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747846)

CmdrPoopyhead
CowboyTacoEater

Jon Katz

Doesn't get worse than that, people.

2nd post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5747848)

for all u bitches

Oh my (3, Insightful)

Raul654 (453029) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747854)

The fact is that most students at Yale are very familiar with breaking copyright law, because they are not willing to give up learning about music just because they can't afford the $15 cost of each CD.

Does anyone else find that laughable?

Re:Oh my (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5747896)

As Bill Cosby once explained to his fictional children on the Cosby Show... "Your mother and I are rich; we simply allow you to live here." Many Yale students, like many other college students, probably have their own financial issues to deal with. Not everyone who attends has hundreds in their pockets.

Re:Oh my (1)

tuba_dude (584287) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747956)

I don't really see much of a problem there. $15 isn't grossly unreasonable, just slightly excessive. Try being a musican. I just lost some (sheet) music last week (about 15 songs), and it's in the process of costing me $200.

If you think listening to music as a normal student is tough, try being a musican too.

Re:Oh my (4, Funny)

clonebarkins (470547) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748088)

Yes, but where can you buy CDs for only $15? Enquiring minds want to know!

Re:Oh my (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5748227)

well, you can get them for free on Gnutella. what more do you need to know?

Another thing about the MSDNAA tour (1)

confused philosopher (666299) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747857)

Of the people who registered in my city, and had "confirmed" registrations, did not appear on the guest list. They didn't get free software at the presentation, but were promised it would be mailed to them.

A month later and the software hasn't arrived. Not a high priority I guess.

But the software is already a year out of date.

--
I'm so confused. Make me your friend please, to clear my mind.

Re: Who Cares? MS Products are mostly trash (1, Troll)

retardedtimmah (665966) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748147)

It's the politics realted to MS giving/distributing their softwware without a proper license. Who actually wants this MS garbage anyways? PEACE

License issues with QT? (2, Redundant)

Dub Kat (183404) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747862)

'NPR.org had been offering some of its audio in the Apple QuickTime format under an arrangement with Apple QuickTime. We regret that we were unable to reach mutually acceptable terms for a new arrangement with Apple QuickTime. As a result, NPR is unable to continue offering its content in this format.

That's strange, the quicktime streaming server is opensource and free. Were they using a proprietary, licensed format to deliver the audio? If so, why not just switch to low-bitrate MP3, which QTSS [apple.com] supports with no problem?

Re:License issues with QT? (2)

repetty (260322) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747929)

Perhaps NPR wanted Apple to pay them to broadcast QT streams since, as you pointed out, the software is free to procure and use.

Maybe they wanted a little payola themselves.

This kind of pisses me off because I recently started using QT to listen to NPR since my schedule changed and I wasn't in my car during the evening news broadcasts anymore.

RE: MP3... I have no frigg'n idea why people turn their backs on free standards that will actually save them money is both the short term and the long run.

It's not like I'm going to steal an episode of "All Things Considered" and then try to profit by it. Duh.

Re:License issues with QT? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5747970)

Or perhaps Microsoft offered to pay them to use WMA, so they went to Apple to see if they'd match the offer.

Phoenix-Firebird...... (4, Funny)

Garion911 (10618) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747864)

They should just rename it "TransAm", its the same thing anyways......

Re:Phoenix-Firebird...... (1)

On Lawn (1073) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747907)


My favorite...

Citroen!

gotta love the military (5, Funny)

mrjive (169376) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747881)

"Some kids were running miniature Napsters," said the academy official, referring to the now-defunct music-sharing site. "They had enormous drives - multigigabite drives - and they were on all the time. They became little Web sites."

Just goes to show how educated some naval personell are about computer technology. I mean MULTIgigabyte drives?!? Holy shit man, that's a lot of storage!!!

*note sarcasm above*

Re:gotta love the military (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748060)

If it were multigigabyte drives dedicated purely to Mp3's... that's actually a fair bit of music. 1 person with about 3GB can be near a thousand songs... multiply that by a few people and that's a lotta music.

Mind you, I'm not sure how anyone gets over 1000 proprietary songs in Mp3. I've got a lot of *free* music (legal), but there's not enough RIAA-owned/popular music out there for me to pirate 3Gb worth.

Re:gotta love the military (1)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748167)

I have about 2.3 GB worth of MP3s and that's just 530 files. Although I don't have anything less than 128 kbps, and most are 192. Also most of my songs are about 6-7 minutes lond not the latest 3 1/2 minute brittney spears songs.

Re:gotta love the military (1)

araemo (603185) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748196)

My music collection is on the range of 5-6 GB.. most of that is in 256k/sec mp3, probably a couple hundred megs of ogg vorbis, maybe 50 megs of mod's..
A $20 soundtrack that contains 3 CDs turns into quite a bit of space when you rip it at 256k.

Oh, whats that? I can't do that anymore because they're afraid I'm STEALING their music? I guess I won't be buying many more CDs, at least until the copy protection marks are mandatory.

Re:gotta love the military (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5748181)

Mind you, I'm not sure how anyone gets over 1000 proprietary songs in Mp3.

Well, let's see... UseNet is a good place to start. Follow that up with Kazaa. And then you can start swapping with friends directly.

Around here, you can download complete high-bitrate CD rips at 1-3 Mbps with a DSL connection off any free/ISP/commercial UseNet feed. You'll have 3 gigs of RIAA music in a few days, no problemo.

Download first. Evaluate later. Then buy the CD if you really dig it.

Re:gotta love the military (2, Funny)

gailwynand (213761) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748061)

Just goes to show how educated some naval personell are about computer technology.

No, no. It just goes to show what kind of crap PC hardware most military members get to run at work that "multigygabyte" would be considered enormous.

Re:gotta love the military (1)

Arandir (19206) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748186)

A mere five years ago a "multigigabyte" drive would have been immense. So you'll have to excuse these guys for not being 15 year old gaming geeks who need to upgrade their hardware every few days.

RIAA is grasping for headlines (2, Interesting)

just some computer j (594460) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747882)

Ok, I have commented on this before. I am still curious as to if the RIAA has it's way and wins this lawsuit, will it prove anything?

I mean, unless the student is very rich family, along the lines of Bill Gates rich, the RIAA would never see the money. And, on a appeal, the settlement would be thrown out on the fact that the amount, millions and millions of dollars is too much for anyone to pay.

I am still curious if the RIAA is just doing this for headlines, or to scare people from sharing music.

Re:RIAA is grasping for headlines (1)

On Lawn (1073) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747931)


Two forces at work here, you tell me which has more sway.

1) Rich people ($$$ Profit)
2) Rich people have the money to mount a legal defence (--- big losses)

Re:RIAA is grasping for headlines (1)

Rares Marian (83629) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748028)

This is only making people laugh. And feeleven less threatened to download.

Blackboard (4, Informative)

mrbrown1602 (536940) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747883)

We use the Blackboard transaction system here at LSU, and a lot of our food/drink machines with the system are usually offline... now, if you swipe your card in the machine while its offline, it'll display what's supposively stored on the card - your social security #.

Just something I thought was kind of interesting.

Re:Blackboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5748168)

"supposively"??

NPR streams (1)

hudsonhawk (148194) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747905)

Yeah, its pretty infuriating that there isn't going to be a viable alternative to the Real streams available on most of the NPR affiliate sites; its pretty infuriating.

Does anyone know what the terms are with this? Does Real just give the software to NPR for advertising purposes? To be fair, its the only reason I have Real installed on my box at all.

Props to the poster for the Barcelona reference, btw.

Scott

Re:NPR streams (1)

On Lawn (1073) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747941)


Agreed. While our local station does the windows media format, Car Talk and PHC archives are only in realvideo/realaudio formats. Therefore we endure the really painful convoluted obsticle course that is downloading a free unix version of RealPlayer.

Re:NPR streams (1)

1010011010 (53039) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748239)

MPlayer supports RealAudio. GStreamer does too, I think. Use one of those...

You can also use the official RealPlayer with ESD, and tee the audio output to an MP3 re-encoder, and send that to Icecast.

Re:NPR streams (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5748041)

can we please start a real boycott on real media? it's basically a headache/virus, as far as im concerned...I don't understand why people would ever pay them to use their codecs or streaming multimedia shitechology...honestly...

PEACE

Available NPR stream (4, Informative)

Theaetetus (590071) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748139)

Pssst... check out the Boston NPR affiliate, WBUR at wbur.org - they (all right, we) have a quicktime streaming format available from the 'listen live' link on the front page.

We carry BBC, Morning Edition, The Connection, Here & Now, Fresh Air, All Things Considered, Talk of the Nation, On Point, Wait Wait Don't Tell Me, Car Talk, et al...
And we originate most of those. :)

-T

Skepticism Abounds (4, Insightful)

yoink! (196362) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747908)

I don't believe that Microsoft intends to allow users to actually remove much software with any of these "new" features. Even if a user edits his/her sysoc.inf (you can find it in "%systemroot%\inf" if you so will) file and removes the word "hide" from applications which are not appearing under the "add/remove windows components" manager, most of the applications remain on the hard disk even after they are supposedly "uninstalled." I have found this to be true with Outlook Express and Media Player. Frankly who cares about Internet Explorer at this point. Most people I know use it on their windows machines anyway, regardless of how buggy and insecure it may. At this point, Microsoft being forced to alter XP so much that Internet Explorer is "uninstalled" is nothing more that a friendly pat on the ass compared to the original goals of the anti-trust case(s). The justice department should be absolutely ashamed.

Important Information about Goatse (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5747920)

That's right ladies and gentlemen. The Goatse man, as you once knew him, is not a man. By my findings, he is actually a hermaphrodite. Now don't be alarmed. I know, I know. It's hard to believe. The man that you once looked up to is in all actually a man, and a woman. Let me provide my proof.

Just for reference, I will always link the original Goatse picture so you can see I have not edited it. Now, take a look at the highlighted area in Exhibit A.

[dangerz.net]
Outlined [dangerz.net]

You can clearly see, cleverly marked, the area for his penis and his supposed asshole. This is all fine. But wait, what's this?

Original [dangerz.net]
what's this? [dangerz.net]

Oh ho. Now some might say that that's just a dimple, or the top of your ass. Ok fine, but what's this?

Original [dangerz.net]
Original what's this? [dangerz.net]
what's this? part 2 [dangerz.net]

Let's study the position that the Goatse man is standing in. First, a picture of his ass outlined. Then a side view.

Original [dangerz.net]
Ass Outline, with all the other parts outlined [dangerz.net]
Position [dangerz.net]

You can clearly see the position he's in. Notice the arch in his back. There is proof that your Goatse man is not just a man, but also a woman! I know this is hard to believe, but look at the next bit of evidence. The first picture is the original obviously. Look at the second one though. Notice the placement of the vagina and the asshole in that one, compared to the placement of the vagina and asshole in the first one. The third one is them each sidebyside, with the parts outlined.

Original [dangerz.net]
Vagina [dangerz.net]
Both [dangerz.net]

You can clearly see all the spots on each, besides the girls hand in the way. Here's another set just for more proof:

Original [dangerz.net]
Vagina Again [dangerz.net]
Both Again [dangerz.net]

So there you have it. There's my proof. Take it as you want, but you can't beat hard evidence. The Goatse Man folks, is also a woman. Have a Good Day.

Ref.:
http://www.goatse.cx [goatse.cx] - for the material.

Why is it so hard to pick an original name? (3, Insightful)

interactive_civilian (205158) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747928)

About the Mozilla naming thing...you can't pick a much less original name than Thunderbird...

Is it really that hard to pick an original name and then run a few searches to make sure there are no similar products with that name?

For example, why not pick something from another language that fits the product well? Something like 'gaiyuu' (Japanese: foreign travel) or 'michiyuki' (Japanese: going down the road)...

Seriously...it seems ridiculous the amount of trouble these people have coming up with original names...

IMHO.

YES!! I'm so stupid!! (1)

interactive_civilian (205158) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747953)

Errr...of course, I meant to write "Firebird" instead of "Thunderbird" in the above comment.

Heh...oops. ^^;;

Thunderbird not that great either. (1)

Corvaith (538529) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748197)

They both exist. Along with 'Camino', for OSX. At least using mythological creatures seemed moderately creative. Cars? Eh.

Re:Why is it so hard to pick an original name? (2, Funny)

On Lawn (1073) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747962)


Bart: Ohh, I wish I programmed an [open source email client.]

Lisa: You did, you named it "Stampy".

Re:Why is it so hard to pick an original name? (4, Funny)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747984)

"About the Mozilla naming thing...you can't pick a much less original name than Thunderbird..."

That may be why they're calling it Firebird.

Sheesh, confusing a Ford with a GM... People have been lynched for less...

Re:Why is it so hard to pick an original name? (1)

interactive_civilian (205158) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748010)

heh...see my own reply to the original post...wasn't paying attention when I hit 'submit'.

Anyway, Ford and GM...there's a difference? /joking ;p

Heh...sorry. I live in Japan...don't see too many of either of those company's cars over here. Oh well...

Re:Why is it so hard to pick an original name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5748009)

"For example, why not pick something from another language that fits the product well? Something like 'gaiyuu' (Japanese: foreign travel) or 'michiyuki' (Japanese: going down the road)..."

Or maybe "Gamera" (Friend to Children) or "Super A-Number-One Dimensional Brower Mozilla"

Re:Why is it so hard to pick an original name? (2, Insightful)

stubear (130454) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748025)

With your two examples for names you still question why it's so hard to come up with a good name? Harley-Davidson took about two years to come up with the V-ROD motorcycle to commemorate the 100th year H-D has been in existence. As a member of OpenBeOS involved with the renaming process I can personally atest to the excruciating difficulty in sifting through names to come up with something original AND describes the thing you are naming. Don't be so quick to dismiss the complexity and difficulty simply because it's a single word.

Re:Why is it so hard to pick an original name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5748099)

not to mention v-rod IS a stupid name for a motorcycle.

they should have told us it took 5 minutes to come up with...

my feelings about the name would be less harsh....

Re:Why is it so hard to pick an original name? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5748057)

They should just make up a word, like they did with Mozilla. Isn't this what everyone else does? Where do they think "Firebird" came from in the first place? Someone just stuck two words together to make a new one.

I nominate "Yozizza".

Re:Why is it so hard to pick an original name? (3, Funny)

Sialagogue (246874) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748123)


I'm all for this name, only because their ad slogan could be:

"Yozizza? Foshizza. . ."

Re:Why is it so hard to pick an original name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5748110)

F thunderbird. They should call it Madzilla 20/20.

1000s of copyrighted files (5, Insightful)

poppen_fresh (65995) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747932)

It say that the Navy found some hard drives with 100s and 1000s of copyrighted files on them. It never says if the students had a right to have those files... I have 1000s of "copyrighted" files on my hdd in the form of mp3s, which I obtained by buying the CDs and then ripping them...

Re:1000s of copyrighted files (4, Interesting)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748140)

It say that the Navy found some hard drives with 100s and 1000s of copyrighted files on them. It never says if the students had a right to have those files... I have 1000s of "copyrighted" files on my hdd in the form of mp3s, which I obtained by buying the CDs and then ripping them...
Even worse. Every single file on my hard drive is copyrighted, as is every single file on yours, most likely.

You see, I'm the author of many of the files, and as such, I hold instant copyright. Quoting from US government copyright office: [copyright.gov]

Copyright protection subsists from the time the work is created in fixed form. The copyright in the work of authorship immediately becomes the property of the author who created the work. Only the author or those deriving their rights through the author can rightfully claim copyright.
I'll bet we're all guilty of possession of copyrighted Slashdot images in our browser caches. I hope they don't mind.

Microsoft anti-trust (5, Funny)

eniu!uine (317250) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747938)

It's about time. Making internet explorer easy to remove will definately eliminate the problem with Microsoft's monopoly. The only reason Linux hasn't been adopted as a major desktop competitor is that it was widely felt that the internet explorer icon needed to be removed from Windows before you could install Linux, and this should clear that up. The justice department deserves a big pat on the back for this. Way to go DOJ!

Removing IE (1)

Elpacoloco (69306) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748034)

I have a little program to remove Internet Explorer.

It came from here: http://www.win98lite.net

I did not write this program, but I am very satisfied with it's results.

It's Cromulent! (1)

Lord_Slepnir (585350) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747945)

Even biggerness.

Sounds like they embiggened it a bit too much.

Re:It's Cromulent! (1)

On Lawn (1073) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748002)


Thats unpossible.

Oh, please (4, Informative)

jesterzog (189797) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747966)

I guess most people have come to expect this from slashdot, but it should be pointed out all the same. It's too bad everyone (me included) puts up with it.

From the slashdot writeup:

"Meanwhile, IBPhoenix, an organisation that supports the development of the Firebird database, has put up a protest page, encouraging people to spam the MozillaZine forums (even though MozillaZine had nothing to do with the decision) and send masses of email to many Mozilla developers (most of whom were not involved in selecting the new name). I find it rather hypocritical [--snip--]"

From the linked article [ibphoenix.com] (slightly summarised):

Let the Mozilla forums know how you feel. They've already taken some heat in forums on their website. To join that fray, you must register. Check http://www.mozillazine.org/forums/index.php [mozillazine.org] and http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3 075 [mozillazine.org] for the discussion.

You might also send mail to the following people and groups:

Asa Dotzler - he made the announcement [..]

drivers@mozilla.org - drivers are the project managers of Mozilla [..]

These people are the technical project leaders of Mozilla. They too should be aware that the possibility for confusion exists. [--snip eight addresses--]

Listing the eight technical project leaders at the end might have been a tad excessive, but I'd hardly call that "encouraging people to spam the mozillazine forums" or harrassing mozilla developers in the way that slashdot makes out to be. It looks like an ordinary informational page to tell people how they can contact the people who are able to make a decision.

Re:Oh, please (2)

On Lawn (1073) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748053)


Oh how many times has been heard
the slashdot war cry "email them".

When in violent passion the nerd
mixed flammible breath and igniting pen.

And opon corporations came the herd
of emails in flooding streams unbroken.

In crafty demise the corps did gird
slashdot with the purchased by OSDN.

Now email storms are thought obsurd
and fuel for the flame to the nerd is returned.

Re:Oh, please (1)

deadsaijinx* (637410) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748070)

too bad the Mozilla project leaders didn't name Pheonix, errm, Firebird... uh, I mean ... whatever you wanna call it. How bout they instead have one of their own addresses where people can send all the comments they have and then deliver it to the Pheonix people. That would be more along the lines of open source community ^^

senotor hollings duaghter dead at 46 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5747967)

Senotor hollings daughter was found dead to today in her rich ass whitemans mansion. Even if you hated her fathers assinine laws you probably didn't know who the hell she was. Truely the daughter of a fucking asshole.

Haha fuck you hollings.

Hey, this one's true! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5748094)

Masterlock (2, Informative)

Vidar Leathershod (41663) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747968)

Actually, IIRC, Masterlock did threaten lawsuit over the dissemination of info that would allow someone to find out a combination to a MasterLock combo lock in a few easy steps.

This is not new.

Vidar

Re:Masterlock (0)

kesuki (321456) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748066)

not to mention over dissemination of information on building master keys to physical locks...
tumbler locks only have 10 height levels at most. Less secure tumbler locks will allow each individual tumbler to move independantly of the rest.
oh and most locks also have a master key that will work on every lock of that type, not just the specific tumbler combination given to your door specifically.
Quite ironic, isn't it? so where is the online equivalent to a (brinks) home monitoring system?

Re:Masterlock (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5748141)

"Actually, IIRC, Masterlock did threaten lawsuit over the dissemination of info that would allow someone to find out a combination to a MasterLock combo lock in a few easy steps."

Re:Masterlock-Richard Feynman ring a bell? (1)

linuxislandsucks (461335) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748185)

Richard Feynman covers this trick in one of his books.. since he is dead no one is there to blame..

ibphoenix is being very sleazy (1)

Vitriolix (660279) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747978)

did you notice that they dont put all their employees address on that same page so you can share your opinion with them? if anyone feels like putting together a similar list of ibphoenix empoloyees contact information i think it would be only fair.

RIAA Statistics (2, Insightful)

)v(agnus (665275) | more than 11 years ago | (#5747989)

We all know that statistics can be manipulated to show anything one wants. Here's how to fix the problem: * Dismantle the RIAA and scatter the fragments to the four corners * Let Artists decide how to advertise and distribute their creations

Click Here to Remove Internet Explorer ... (4, Funny)

Snork Asaurus (595692) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748000)

Warning: Since Internet Explorer is part of the operating system, your operating system will no longer function after you click the button. Please forward all concerns to the US Department of Justice. Have a nice day.

Remove IE? I think not. (1)

Bendy Chief (633679) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748001)

As I understand it, in SP1 for XP, you're allowed to change the default program for HTML files, etc, using the "Antitrust Solution" applet. (My name for it, can't remember the real one)

I suspect that whoever wrote the article about "removing IE" meant just that, removing the icon from prominent locations and changing the default browser to something else, rather than actually totally uninstalling IE. I've heard somewhere that extricating IE from XP would be roughtly akin to brain surgery with a spoon.

However, if someone can prove me wrong, I will be overjoyed! I haven't used IE in ages, thanks to excellent releases from all the alternative browser teams.

Re:Remove IE? I think not. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5748161)

IE is integrated into the OS the same way shrapnel is integrated into an aorta. You may technically be healthier without it, but it's best to leave it alone.

Re:Remove IE? I think not. (2, Informative)

TheAwfulTruth (325623) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748162)

That is true, it uninstalls nothing, just makes in brain dead easy to reassociate html links to a different broswer.

Note that "IE" is a fairly small program, almost nothing more than a GUI wrapper around the MSHTML rendering engine that is used within Windows in several places as well as many third party apps and even an app that I've written myself.

You probably could remove iexplore.exe with no real harm to the rest of your windows use, but you would not beding yourself a favor by uninstalling the MSHTML com object(s) from your system.

Errrrrmm... (1)

Hanji (626246) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748022)

The "Legal" solution proposed by that Yalie simply won't work w/o stronger DRM, which currently isn't available, and which hopefully won't ever be widespread...
He claims that streaming would not involve illegal copying, but I have to question if he really knows what he's talking about. Just because certain players will stream from certain sources does not stop anyone from redirecting those streams to disk and storing them there for as long as they want...
Failing that, there's always the good old high-quality speaker+Micropone setup (in Windows, at least, you can even "record" straight from line out ... no BG noise to worry about!)
We definitely need a solution, but this is not it.

Contact Xiph.org (1)

RadioheadKid (461411) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748067)

But not Emmett Plant [hydrogenaudio.org] I guess...

Trustworthy Computing? (2, Interesting)

mistermund (605799) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748103)

Placement of the button in a hard-to-reach spot in Windows was one of several complaints Microsoft's rivals made to the department last year.

This sounds to me like an argument that might be made by people trying modchip X-Boxes - "It's too hard to circumvent Microsoft's way of doing things!"

Is it just me, or does legal wrangling over the placement of a button just seem kind of silly?

Mike Pettit, a spokesman for Procomp, an anti-Microsoft computer industry trade group, said the latest modification was minor. He called it "a complete waste of time and effort and has nothing to do with restoring competition."

Apparently not.

Re:Trustworthy Computing? (2, Funny)

Snork Asaurus (595692) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748145)

The "Restore Competition" button is buried much more deeply.

Re:Trustworthy Computing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5748198)

The "Restore Competition" button is buried much more deeply.

And those of us who remember early MS-DOS implementations of a "restore" feature would be too frightened to ever touch that button.

Heheheheh.... Another hax0rish post... (1)

ebbomega (410207) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748182)

[i]You are required to agree to accept the terms and conditions of this license prior to proceeding with the products' installation.[/i]

Since when? There's no shrinkwrap EULA that says I need to agree to your EULA.

The only time I agree to any licensing is when I click on the "OK" button. Now, seriously, how many people have reverse engineered the installer _BEFORE_ actually installing and set it up so that it installs even if you say you Disagree?

If I don't agree to the EULA, but still manage to install it (because I paid for it) seems pretty legal to me.

Firebird? Feh... (4, Funny)

sootman (158191) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748187)

this could have all been avoided if they would have gone with my suggestion, 'el pollo del fuego'.

Firebird vs Firebird: job done (1)

philipx (521085) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748191)

At least my part.
In conformity with a suggestion in a previous /. article DOS Attack Via US Postal Service [slashdot.org] I have signed up all the persons on the IBPhoenix contact list to all know spamlist, advertising campains and anything I could find available in their respective countries.
Unfortunatelly, an otherwise efficient spammer, the US Postal Office doesn't deliver to Australia. And it would've cost me too much to send myself everything USPS kindly sends along.
Hmm, maybe Mr Alan Ralsky [freep.com] could help me... :)

namespace collisions (1)

BlueLines (24753) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748195)

They don't explain how it was different when they picked a name that was already used by a BBS, financial software manufacturer, Fenix IDE and games company. Meanwhile, IBPhoenix, an organisation that supports the development of the Firebird database

So an organisation that shared the name with the current browser (Phoenix) is upset that the new name change is close the the product they support (Firebird)?

And there's a Fenix (Phoenix?) IDE named "Firebird" as well?

Jesus, the software community's run out of original names. How about "Mozilla 2003"? "Mozilla X" "Super Happy Funzilla"?

-BlueLines

MS just dumping WMP (5, Informative)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 11 years ago | (#5748200)

We regret that we were unable to reach mutually acceptable terms for a new arrangement with Apple QuickTime.

Well, at least they answered someone- I tried asking PBS why they dropped quicktime(also quite recently) for their TV episodes, and didn't get ea reply. I even offered to help implement open-source, free alternatives...since I live quite close to WGBH, one of the biggest PBS stations in the country.

In any case, this is bull- the software to stream quicktime is FREE, and you can use any codec you want- it doesn't have to be proprietary sorenson, for example.

Further, if cost was an issue, then they could stream ogg-vorbis, since there are no royalties, period. Sure, users would have to install a plugin, but that doesn't stop thousands upon thousands of sites forcing me to install Flash. It could certainly be offered as a choice.

I suspect what happened was MS either coerced them into switching(that's what they did in my old company- they said they'd look the other way on license violations if they went 100% MS. Sure enough, new policy came out right after the audit saying "solaris and linux will be dropped, MS win2k will be used everywhere") or MS gave them everything, maybe even gave them free hardware and server licenses.

It is positively disgusting that our public radio and TV companies are switching to just ONE, PROPRIETARY format.

Here, make IBPhoenix "aware" of it's absurdity... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5748213)

mail to the IBPhoenix People [mailto] "I would like to make you "aware" that your claim is absurd. Your claim that an Internet browser will interfere with a relational database is absolutely absurd. Best, INSERT YOUR NAME HERE"
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