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James Cameron's Live Action Battle Angel Alita

CmdrTaco posted about 11 years ago | from the from-celuloid-to-flesh-and-blood dept.

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Dean Siren writes "Moviehole.net reports that James Cameron wants to direct a live action Battle Angel Alita movie. Cameron says, "The issue is will it be the next film, or will it be the one after the next film? That's really all there is to it at this point. We've done a tremendous amount of design for the film, we're fine-tuning the script, it's just a matter of time." As for the movie itself, "Motorball might find its way more into the second film - I definitely want to do more than one film. I want to create a world and a character that can go through at least one more film, possibly more. And that's not just for the classic financial reasons, it's just that I think there's a possibility for a real mythology here, so I feel that this is a good canvas to do something big that's got more scope." UK Anime and The Z Review are also reporting." I enjoyed the original Battle Angel Alita. It left me feeling like so much more could be done with it. It'll be interesting to see what comes of this one.

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first meat post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5768851)

meat

Fact : UK Anime is dying (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5768873)

It is official; Moviehole.net confirms: UK Anime is dying One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered UK Anime community when IDC confirmed that UK Anime market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Moviehole.net survey which plainly states that UK Anime has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. UK Anime is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Dean Siren to predict UK Anime's future. The hand writing is on the wall: UK Anime faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for UK Anime because UK Anime is dying. Things are looking very bad for UK Anime. As many of us are already aware, UK Anime continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

Battle Angel Alita is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time Battle Angel Alita developers James Cameron only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Battle Angel Alita is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Motorball leader The Z Review states that there are 7000 users of Motorball. How many users of Live Action Battle Angel Alita are there? Let's see. The number of Motorball versus Live Action Battle Angel Alita posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Live Action Battle Angel Alita users. mythology posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of Live Action Battle Angel Alita posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of mythology. A recent article put Battle Angel Alita at about 80 percent of the UK Anime market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Battle Angel Alita users. This is consistent with the number of Battle Angel Alita Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Dean Siren, abysmal sales and so on, Battle Angel Alita went out of business and was taken over by CmdrTaco who sell another troubled OS. Now CmdrTaco is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that UK Anime has steadily declined in market share. UK Anime is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If UK Anime is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. UK Anime continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, UK Anime is dead.

Fact: UK Anime is dying

Re:Fact : UK Anime is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5768985)


Now CmdrTaco is also dead...

Nice way to get KATHLEEN FENT'S HOPES UP, you CREUL BASTARD!!!!!!
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If you liked the movie... (2, Interesting)

skia (100784) | about 11 years ago | (#5768883)

...you'll love the manga [animenation.com] .

Re:If you liked the movie... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5768896)

will there be tentacles ?

whats an anime without tentacles ?

Re:If you liked the movie... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769211)

Congratulations! You win the redundant fuckpost of the day! Thank you so much for trying to be funny by mentioning tentacles.

By the way, 1994 called. They want their "joke"
back.

By the way, 1998 called: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769301)

David Spade wants his 'joke' back.

it's book was better... (5, Interesting)

ChrisTower (122297) | about 11 years ago | (#5768886)

I enjoyed the original Battle Angel Alita. It left me feeling like so much more could be done with it.



A lot of people felt that way because the two part OVA you saw was only a small part of the story that sprawled across a multivolume manga [amazon.com] . If you really liked the movie and want more, definitely check out the manga. As with book to movie translations, the manga is usually better then the anime.

Re:it's book was better... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769956)

A notable exception to this was Love Hina. I think the anime is much better than the manga. In the anime, you can sorta ignore the trends, events, and punchlines that happen over and over...

But in the manga, it seems almost like whole chapters are duplicated. Keitaro is transformed into a completely shallow character. The anime is sorta about the coming of age of a shy highschool student (not exactly original in the first place, but...) but there's nothing redeeming about his qualities in the manga. I stopped halfway through when I couldn't stand it anymore.

Anyways...

Re:it's book was better... (1)

doctor_no (214917) | about 11 years ago | (#5770275)

I'm assuming that Mr. Cameron actually did read the manga.

He mensions that he wants to do a movie, maybe the second, based on motorball. Which is actually after the two OVA series.

"Motorball might find its way more into the second film"

But the manga is certainly leagues better than the medicore OVA.

Lessons of History (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5768906)

After seeing how other animes have been brutally destroyed by the influence of the American entertainment industry, I am a little hesitant. They attempt to gear everything for the "Street Fighter" audience, and Battle Angel Alita deserves better than that... Even subtle things like dubbing takes away from anime... who has heard Rurouni Kenshin on toonami? It sounded like they hired the actors from the original Ninja Turtles. Can we expect more in live action? Or will we get another Tomb Raider?

Re:Lessons of History (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5768964)

I might agree, but look at Cameron's past work [imdb.com] . With Aliens and T2 in his back pocket, I'm pretty excited about the prospect of Alita.

Re:Lessons of History (2, Funny)

sam_handelman (519767) | about 11 years ago | (#5769063)

I agree. James Cameron is a manipulative, commercial whore, just like everyone else in hollywood, but at least he is good at it - the dark adventure of Aliens with the schmaltz of Titanic is a perfect fit for Battle Angel.

My only worry is bad casting. I challenge you to come up with worse casting:

The Villain (evil cyborg or mad scientist, it doesn't matter)

Kenneth Branagh

Dr. Whasname

Kevin Costner

Alita

Christina Aguilera*

Alita's Wimpy Boyfriend**

Leonardo DiCapprio

Alita's Butch Boyfriend***

Hayden Christensen

* Also to provide soundtrack
** The first one, who dies in the anime.
*** The one from the manga with his own secret kung fu.

And even then, that wouldn't be so bad.... would it?

Re:Lessons of History (1)

BJH (11355) | about 11 years ago | (#5769172)

OK.

The Villain: Rodney Dangerfield
Dr. Whastisname: Rowan Atkinson
Alita: Cher
Alita's boyfriend: Mini-Me
Alita's butch boyfriend: Bronson Pinchot

I win!

Re:Lessons of History (1)

RLiegh (247921) | about 11 years ago | (#5769193)

Alita's butch boyfriend: William Hurt

No--I WIN!! :p :D

Re:Lessons of History (1)

BJH (11355) | about 11 years ago | (#5769226)

Hmm... more class, but less lowbrow schlock factor. I still think I win.

Another possibility for Alita: Roseanne Barr

Re:Lessons of History (1)

RLiegh (247921) | about 11 years ago | (#5769295)


Another possibility for Alita: Roseanne Barr

If you didn't win before, you certainly do now!

OMG you win (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769304)

'nuff said

Re:Lessons of History (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769327)

Remember that movie called The Professional? Outside the US it was called Leon? Remember the cute young Natalie Portman in that movie? At that age with the way she looked she would have made a perfect battle angel Alita!

Re:Lessons of History (1)

MSZ (26307) | about 11 years ago | (#5769416)

YOU LOSE!

You have proposed someone who might be good fit for the part, in other words someone who will not, under any circumstances, get the part.

Re:Lessons of History (1)

sam_handelman (519767) | about 11 years ago | (#5769653)

The Villain: Rodney Dangerfield
Dr. Whastisname: Rowan Atkinson


Are you kidding, these two would be awesome!

Alita's butch boyfriend: Bronson Pinchot


The guy from perfect strangers? He's pretty annoying, but I still think baby Vader is worse. Actually, I got the wrong actor - I meant the little boy from Phantom Menace.

As for the rest, you're just being silly.

That's the worst you can do? (1)

bj8rn (583532) | about 11 years ago | (#5769205)

I'm not familiar with the original manga, so I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'll take the challenge.

The Villain: Arnoid (can't even spell his name right... At first I thought of Mike Myers looking like Dr Evil, but this would have been better than your variant.)

Dr Whasname: Silvester Stallone (sorry, but thinking of doctors I automatically picture a middle-aged fat guy...)

Alita: Sandra Bullock (Soundtrack by Britney S)

Alita's Wimpy Boyfriend: Erm, Adam Sandler? (Leonardo can actually act, you know)

Alita's Butch Boyfriend: Will Smith (Also makes the song that plays when they roll the titles after "The End")

Re:Lessons of History (2, Funny)

TinWeasle (538284) | about 11 years ago | (#5770077)

Hold on, here...
In making real-life Anime, where is Cameron going to find actors with freakishly large eyes? Marty Feldman is dead, I think.....

Of course, Digital Domain could CG them in, I suppose....

Re:Lessons of History (3, Insightful)

alphaseven (540122) | about 11 years ago | (#5769047)

Can we expect more in live action? Or will we get another Tomb Raider?

Depends on your opinion on James Cameron. Battle Angel Alita has a lot of themes that are very similar to Camerons other work, a tough female lead in the vein of Dark Angel/Aliens/T2, centered around a love story like Titanic/Abyss. And it'll need great special effects. It has such similar themes to Camerons other work I can see him doing a faithful adaptation.

Akira, on the other hand, I have no idea how they're going to pull off as a live action, so much is tied to it's setting in Neo-Tokyo and the drug use and the confusing ending, I don't see Hollywood doing that faithfully.

(and hey I mentioned this in October [slashdot.org] )

Re:Lessons of History (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769210)

Yeah, Dark Angel Alita... you anime fans had better hope that it's better than that pile of shit. At least make sure he gets someone who can act the lead this time -- not just someone with big lips and tits who can't speak properly or do stunts.

I'm not confident that Cameron hasn't completely lost his touch.

All animation is dubbed...deal with it (0, Flamebait)

ScottGant (642590) | about 11 years ago | (#5769151)

I thought we killed off all the Anime elitists that try to be cool and trendy by saying "I prefer subtitles because I don't like the dubbing process".

Sorry to say, that all animation is dubbed. And just hearing it in it's original language does nothing really. Better acted? How can you tell? Can you speak Japanese? If you can, then you would know...but I myself can't and couldn't tell if the guy is grunting jibberish over here is any better than the guy grunting jibberish over there. It's all pops and whistles to these ears.

I personally don't like subtitles in animation, because it's a visual medium, not a written one. But hey, what do I know. I'm just under the influence of American entertainment industry that gave us bombs like Lawrence of Arabia, Apocalypse Now, The Empire Strikes Back and Unforgiven to name just 4 evil American films.

All kidding aside though the reason they get crappy actors to dub these is there is no money in it. Anime, no matter how you slice it, is a nitch market. It's not mainstream here in America. So therefore the top voice actors are not flocking to do voice work because I doubt they're even paid scale. They ARE flocking to do voice work for the Disney and SKG films because they ARE paid well. But of course, most of the people who are Anime elitists will poo-poo anything dealing with Anime. Why? Because they can be l33t!

Imagine the Comic Book Store owner in The Simpsons crossed with a rock critic windbag like Jim DeRogatis and you'll have the typical Anime elitist.

No one said anything about dubbing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769190)

But still, I like your post. Pretty funny.

Re:No one said anything about dubbing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769236)

Uh yes, the parent post did: "Even subtle things like dubbing takes away from anime..."

Re:All animation is dubbed...deal with it (2, Informative)

BJH (11355) | about 11 years ago | (#5769214)

One thing first: The word is 'niche'.

I do speak Japanese, and I don't bother with either subbing or dubbing, but on the few occasions when I've run across dubbed anime, I must say that the voice actors suck large, flaming monkey balls. Really.

By the way, it might interest you to know that dubs of American movies, including the classics you gave, sound very good in Japanese - they use decent voice actors here. Makes all the difference.

Re:All animation is dubbed...deal with it (1)

ScottGant (642590) | about 11 years ago | (#5769288)

Thanks for the spelling lesson...even though you got my point, and isn't that the idea? That the message is recieved and understood? I guess not...I guess it's just a contest to see who knows how to spell well.

Also, did you learn Japanese just to be able to watch Anime? If so, I'm torn between saying "sheesh, get a life dude" and "wow, I really admire someone learning a second language and one so complex as Japanese, good for you and bravo!".

Re:All animation is dubbed...deal with it (1)

BJH (11355) | about 11 years ago | (#5769306)

Sure, I got your point - but if we give up on correct spelling, then it won't be long before we're back in the 16th Century, when everyone spelled as they liked. Don't know about you, but I prefer to keep a common language.

As for your assumption, no, I didn't learn Japanese to watch anime. I went to university here, and I've been working here since then.

Re:All animation is dubbed...deal with it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5770143)

What's wrong with spelling things as you like? Surely you've seen the Mark Twain quote on the subject:)

Rob

Re:All animation is dubbed...deal with it (1)

JabberWokky (19442) | about 11 years ago | (#5769797)

I thought Cowboy BeBop was dubbed well - something that surprised me. It's one of the only animes that I like dubbed. That and the wacky comedies like Goldenboy and Ogenki Clinic, where timing and silly voices are important. Subbing "I, uh... ahhh... I uh... ahhh.. I *uh*... *arugh*!!!" is kinda dumb. (I've met Doug Smith, the american voice actor for Goldenboy. Cool guy, like most people from Studio Ironcat).

--
Evan "Study, study, study"

Re:All animation is dubbed...deal with it (1)

Chemical (49694) | about 11 years ago | (#5769492)

I think you're wrong. You can tell the quality of the voice acting if you don't speak the language. Even though you can't understand the words, you can definitely understand the underlying emotion from the tone of voice. It makes a big difference compared to the usually monotonous toned American voice actors who couldn't emote their way out of a paper bag.

Sometimes a dub comes out really well (Inuyasha and Cowboy Bebop for some Cartoon Network examples), but typically, it's unbearable crap. Even though I can't understand the japanese track for Rouroni Kenshin, it is most certainly less harsh on the ears than the US dub.

Re:All animation is dubbed...deal with it (2)

Galvatron (115029) | about 11 years ago | (#5770034)

Yes, all animation is dubbed, but as you concede, the voice actors for American dubs are not good. And you absolutely can tell if the acting is good even if you don't speak the language.

There was a webpage I ran across once, which unfortunately I can't find now. The webpage was speaking out against a Swedish (IIRC) dubbing company that brought dubbed some anime into Swedish. He had sound clips posted, and it was obvious that the acting was crap, even though I don't speak Swedish.

The simple fact of the matter is that the BEST way to appreciate a work is to watch it with the original language. For most of us, this is impractical, so we have to make a tradeoff. Either we have to live with the sacrifice of trying to read something while watching what's going on onscreen, or we have to live with mangled dialogue (to match lipsyncing) and inferior voice actors (even if highly paid, they're rarely chosen by the director of the original, so it's unlikely they'll fit his artistic vision).

Also, Lawrence of Arabia is not an American movie, it's British.

This is the most gay site ever. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5768925)

Geeks are adult children. Their development was arrested and their psychology became atrophied round about the time their non-retarded peers discovered women.

Cameron - Insane or Genius? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5768931)

Or Insane Genius? You decide!

I'd rather see more OVA's... (1)

killfixx (148785) | about 11 years ago | (#5768935)

I don't think anyone could live up to Alita...
So cute and tough...and built perfectly...

I'd much rather see the rest of the series as well done animated movies. We don't need another "Fist of the Northstar" fiasco!

Re:I'd rather see more OVA's... (2, Insightful)

Peterus7 (607982) | about 11 years ago | (#5769671)

Now it's live action Alita, but what happened to live action Akira? [slashdot.org]

I still believe that when trying to turn an anime into a live action movie one should work with the utmost respect for the anime itself, and try to keep everything the way it was, without trying to over-americanize it. (by adding unnecessary sex, guns, and explosions... Although the sex part is well covered in a lot of animes.) Otherwise you get something that is... crap.

Will Jessica Alba be in it? (2, Interesting)

Xpilot (117961) | about 11 years ago | (#5768939)

I'll watch anything with her in it. She is the ultimate in hotness. She was James Cameron's lead actress for his short-lived TV series.

Re:Will Jessica Alba be in it? (1)

BJH (11355) | about 11 years ago | (#5768995)

She's also a talentless hack.

She's ALSO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769020)

A REAL WOMAN [celebritie...ctures.com] which 9 out of 10 slashbots will find far too intimidating. (in contrast to her being a non-threatening anime figurine [milkdrop.com] ).

Fucking purile jerkoffs.

Re:She's ALSO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769276)

except that is britney spears, not jessica alba

dumbass

Re:She's ALSO (2, Funny)

BJH (11355) | about 11 years ago | (#5769323)

I thought he was being ironic, considering approximately 46% (by bodyweight) of Britney Spears is not real woman. Ah well, maybe he is just another dumbass.

Re:She's ALSO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769419)

Actually, I just grabbed the first picture off of images.google that I thought would make my point. I don't follow celluloid bimbos any more than I follow anime child bimbos.

Re:She's ALSO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769677)

hmm:

1. uses the word "purile"

2. refers to jessica alba and britney spears as "bimbos" ... scores pretty high on the gay-o-meter if you ask me

Re:She's ALSO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5770024)

1. confuses britney spears and jessica alba with real women
2. uses homophobic insults (cf "gay-o-meter") ...scores pretty high on the redneck/hillbilly-beastraper-o-meter if you ask me!

Re:She's ALSO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5770271)

lol

you've been anony-trolled; welcome to the club

britney and jessica aren't "real"?

Re:She's ALSO (1)

thpook (600134) | about 11 years ago | (#5770211)

it is puerile, not purile. Those who watch TV, misspell. Those who read books, mispronounce. I'd rather mispronounce, thank you very much.

Re:Will Jessica Alba be in it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769420)

I dunno. She was cool in Idle Hands [imdb.com]

A dream come true (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5768963)

As a film student and special effects guru-type, I can only say thank god for this. The manga is my favorite series hands-down (how many people can say they've cried at the conclusion of the Ourobouros section, where Alita and Nova face off?), and I've taken 2 years of Japanese mostly to be able to translate the rest of it that wasn't released here (look for Gunnm: Last Order on the net).
Cameron knows how to use effects well, and has enough of a reputation to command an impressive budget. He's got the kinks worked out, I think, having done the American version already (Dark Angel). With any luck, I can get on the VFX crew for the movie when it gets made...

Re:A dream come true (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5768986)

If you think you were able to translate it properly with only two years of Japanese, please kindly fuck off.

Re:A dream come true (1)

fatalist23 (534463) | about 11 years ago | (#5769059)

actually, on a slightly offtopic note: Gunnm: Last Order is also available in a comic book series getting released (monthly?); so if you can't find the scans and translations, look into picking up the translations at your local comic book store.

IS THIS "NEWS FOR NERDS"?!?!? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5768972)

'COS IT CERTAINLY IS NOT STUFF THAT MATTERS!!!
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Re:IS THIS "NEWS FOR NERDS"?!?!? (0, Troll)

fenix down (206580) | about 11 years ago | (#5769009)

"Debian GNU/Linux to Declare GNU GFDL non-Free?"

At least this headline's in english.

Have you considered reading a site you'd ENJOY?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769035)

Re:IS THIS "NEWS FOR NERDS"?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769220)

Ssshhh.... nerds are in another thread laughing on you...

Re:IS THIS "NEWS FOR NERDS"?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769127)

To some nerds, this stuff matters a whole hell of a lot more than hearing about the latest micro-improvement or whatnot in the latest Linux build. So in other words: "Hell yea this is news for nerds. If you don't like it, go read something else."

Not Interested (3, Insightful)

BadmanX (30579) | about 11 years ago | (#5768989)

He'll Americanize the crap out of it and cast some no-talent pretty girl in the lead (hell, he'll probably stick with Jessica Alba). I cannot imagine him finding a real actress with both the physicality to play Alita AND the childlike innocence that made her so easy to identify with. And then the whole movie will become a warning about how we should take better care of our environment or something.

If rich American directors and actors find Japanese anime movies they like, I'd rather they fund the creation of a new movie or a remake IN JAPAN than try to "bring it to the American audience", destroying everything that made the anime great in the process.

Natalie Portman? (Re:Not Interested) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769146)

I cannot imagine him finding a real actress with both the physicality to play Alita AND the childlike innocence that made her so easy to identify with.

How about Natalie Portman? Yes, her latest movies suck, but if you watch Leon [imdb.com] (a/k/a "The Professional"), Heat [imdb.com] or Beautiful Girls [imdb.com] you can see that she can act.

Unfortunately she's only gotten (and accepted) shitty scripts/roles (like "Star Wars").

Interested (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769331)

Who cares [nau.edu] if she can't act? What do you want to do in a dark theatre for two hours - watch a woman who studied acting or one who studied stairmaster?

Sigh... (1)

michaeltoe (651785) | about 11 years ago | (#5768993)

I suppose it was only a matter of time before hollywood decided to destroy Anime too...

Re:Sigh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769223)

Oh, I'm sure most of them would like to, but they can't. Anime companies are extracting obscene licensing fees for this kind of adaptation work.

Obscene payments to fuck something up can't be justified long-term.

Meanwhile, anime is slowly digesting what's left of the domestic animation market. It's all over but the after-dinner drinks. Check please.

Oh wonderful... (3, Insightful)

BJH (11355) | about 11 years ago | (#5769008)

I quote:

There's a lot of really great things about it, and there's a lot of things - whether the artist really intended them or not - that I read into it, and so I think it'll be a good fusion of what Kashiro created and how I would do things.


"The manga is very episodic and very discordant - it's not internally consistent, meaning sometimes she looks like one thing and has one set of abilities, and at the whim of Kashiro he'll go off on a whole different tangent. It needs to be fused and focused and given a centralised storyline. But the character will be very, very true to Alita as she is in the manga.


Sure, it'll be "true" to the original character even though you want to change the storyline, the characterization and the focus. Great, another Americanised bastardization of a work that doesn't need that kind of 'improvement'.

Re:Oh wonderful... (1)

nomadic (141991) | about 11 years ago | (#5769481)

Alright, I'm not defending Cameron, but let's be honest, despite the protestations of some the anime and manga the Japanese give us isn't the epitome of perfection. A huge percentage of titles have plot holes you can drive a tanker truck through, and coherence isn't exactly the order of the day.

The manga is very episodic and very discordant - it's not internally consistent, meaning sometimes she looks like one thing and has one set of abilities, and at the whim of Kashiro he'll go off on a whole different tangent.

Sounds like valid criticism to me.

Re:Oh wonderful... (1)

BoneFlower (107640) | about 11 years ago | (#5770193)

The manga is very episodic and very discordant - it's not internally consistent, meaning sometimes she looks like one thing and has one set of abilities, and at the whim of Kashiro he'll go off on a whole different tangent.

Sounds like valid criticism to me.


Would be, if it made any sense to someone who has read the manga 3 or four times. If he had read it, and actually paid attention, and read it in order, he would see the progression. And he'd realize that much of the variation in her abilities was due to using different cyborg bodies, and different upgrades to those bodies.

Re:Oh wonderful... (2)

BoneFlower (107640) | about 11 years ago | (#5770183)

You didn't even mention that many of Alitas changing capabilities were due to different cyborg bodies. Her head was basically all that stayed consistent through her various cyborg bodies.

As for her personality, she grew up a lot. Coming to terms with who she was in the past, who she was in the present, and who she wanted to be in the future really played with her mind, so of course thats a bit sketchy.

And I doubt this guy has read the manga, or if he has, he's read it out of order. There is a consistent progression, though Kashiro was seriously ill when he finished it and said that he basically wished he could have done a better job on the ending.

Gunm? (3, Insightful)

Bonker (243350) | about 11 years ago | (#5769012)

Speak not of this Alita... Wherefore art thou, Gally?

Seriously, 'Alita' has already be pretty seriously corrupted by some of the same forces that mangled Macross into 'Robotech'. If Hollywood touches this, it's only going to stray further and further from the original plot and intent. Worse, it will be given a juvenile treatment and the dystopian story elements will be forgotten in favor of boobs and explosions.

Somebody mod the parent up... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769250)

It's Gally not Alita.
It's Gunnm not Battle Angel (Alita).

Re:Gunm? (1)

JabberWokky (19442) | about 11 years ago | (#5769811)

Eh, the name fits the reason for her name.

*** Spoiler reference alert ***. Gally just doesn't sound like the name of a flower to english speakers, whereas Alita does. And the ending, as strange as it is, pulls on the fact that her name is the name of a flower.

--
Evan

I'm scared (4, Insightful)

Galvatron (115029) | about 11 years ago | (#5769015)

Okay, I really enjoyed the Battle Angel Alita (aka Gunnm) manga. I could even believe that they could make a good Hollywood movie out of it. However, I'm not convinced that James Cameron is the right man to direct it. I generally don't like the way he directs female action stars. They always seem like they're trying too hard. Vasquez, in Aliens, I think is the best example I can point to. It's like he doesn't think we'll believe a woman can be bad-ass unless he "proves" it to us. Look at the Terminator movies and the transformation Sarah Conner underwent. Whereas Kyle, the hero of the first movie, could be a soldier fighting a depserate revolution, but still an otherwise normal guy, Sarah Conner was turned into a nutty, ultraviolent caricature for the second movie.

All that being said, his action movies DO still tend to be pretty good. I just think that Alita has more of a quiet confidence, rather than an in-your-face attitude, than Cameron is really used to dealing with in female action heros. I suppose on the bright side, he can probably reuse some of the costumes from Dark Angel to keep costs down :)

Re:I'm scared (1)

Charcharodon (611187) | about 11 years ago | (#5769347)

I suppose on the bright side, he can probably reuse some of the costumes from Dark Angel to keep costs down :)

Where do you think he got most of the concepts for Dark Angel from. An enhanced warrior female who does not know anything about her past. That sounds familiar. Even where she liked to go to sit and think up on the tower was straight out of the manga series. It looks like he really wanted to do Alita then but couldn't get the go ahead for it.

All in all it'll be interesting to see if Cameron can make the desert and the trashheap environment work as well as get Alita's character and transformation right.

Re:I'm scared (1)

Galvatron (115029) | about 11 years ago | (#5769828)

An enhanced warrior female who does not know anything about her past. That sounds familiar.

Okay, I never watched Dark Angel past the first episode or two, but your description is not unique to Gunnm. There are countless other science fiction and fantasy works that feature similar ideas. Also, one could just as easily argue that going to the top of a tower to think is taken from American superhero comics (Batman and Spider-Man spring to mind as heros that liked to brood on rooftops).

I don't doubt that some of Dark Angel was inspired by Battle Angel Alita, but you have to realize that very few elements of Gunnm were all that original by themselves, it was really the synthesis, in my opinion, that made it unique.

Re:I'm scared (1)

yeshman (667337) | about 11 years ago | (#5769886)

Actually, from what I can remember. Cameron planned this movie once before. At least there were rumors about it at the time.. but eventually these rumors turned into rumors about Dark Angel (which I haven't seen) leading many to believe that Cameron had chickened out of a Gunnm movie and had decided to make a gunnm THEMED tv show instead. I have mixed feelings about the movie actually going through...... we'll see.... at this point I think I'd rather someone less mainstream directed it, because I think its too likely Cameron will try to turn it into something its not just to boost ticket sales.

??????! (trans : linux sucks) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769016)

All Together Now (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769018)

Japanese Anime is an overrated form of cartooning. Large almond eyes are disturbing. I will resist the manga.

Better than live action akira... (1)

Q3vi1 (611292) | about 11 years ago | (#5769021)

I'm really looking forward to this. Not only have I read the original manga, I also have started reading the new comic that has started from it that is basically about the rebirth of Alita after visiting Mars. It's a very dynamic world that has a lot that can be played with. I also think that Jessica Alba would actually be pretty decent in the role, because she DOES have the skills as an actress, and the physical capabilites to perform like Alita, although if she were 15 it'd fit better... But, yeah, I give major props to James Cameron for picking up the idea for Alita, I've been waiting for someone to realize that there is more to this story than just the OVAs.

Dark / Battle Angel? (2, Interesting)

infonography (566403) | about 11 years ago | (#5769024)

It's almost the same type of plot. At least we won't be seeing another crappy hack job by the so-called greats of Hollywood (Spielberg, Lucas, et al). I would not put it past him to use Jessica Alba again. She's is the basic type for the role. I would watch it even if it was an Alan Smithee production [mvdbase.com]

I thought Cameron's next movie was Galaxies! (1)

Nova Express (100383) | about 11 years ago | (#5769034)

I thought James Cameron's next movie was an adaptation of Barry Malzberg's Galaxies, as reported here [locusmag.com] .

The best anime movie (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769039)

La Blue

Compliment or insult? (4, Insightful)

truenoir (604083) | about 11 years ago | (#5769073)

Whenever I see this sort of "translation" going on for anime, I wonder why. I mean, Cameron especially has helmed (and written) some good sci-fi movies (T2, Aliens, The Abyss). Though Battle Angel/Gunm/Battle Angel Alita is probably more doable as a good sci-fi movie than say...Akira (also announced) or Dragonball Z (shudder), why does it have to be redone? It's not particularly old, and it's already a moving picture medium. Book/comic translations are different, since you essentially see the book as one person imagines it. Does having an American director redo a movie in live action somehow honor the original work(s), or rather say that the original is not good enough? I don't think so. We don't see (for instance) anime remakes of Hollywood movies for Japanese audiences. We do see American remakes of foriegn live action films though. Perhaps it's simply that American directors feel it's the only way to get the masses to see and appreciate what they consider outstanding works of fiction. In some cases, I feel it should be left as the audience's loss. There are libraries of books I haven't read, films I haven't seen, anime I haven't watched, etc. Do I need someone to go through and retranslate their favorites to more suite my taste? I don't think so. Could perhaps Cameron use his influence to instead get more anime that he likes (he has a quote on the Ghost in the Shell DVD case too, so I assume he watches it) shown more? For instance, the Cowboy Bebop movie was released not too long ago...great movie, and one that most people could enjoy. Except many didn't even get a chance to, since it didn't get a wide release. He could also helm a "director's choice" type program showcasing anime or foriegn films. After all, how many Joe Sixpacks are going to go look up the other Alita media after seeing the live action version? It's not doing much for the public's opinion of anime, or getting them to watch it, which means there will still be that library of entertainment that they won't even consider. I guess the main point is, does remaking stuff into live action show the opinion that anime is somehow a lesser format for telling a story? Or that Hollywood has a low opinion of the average viewer, figuring they just wouldn't "get it"? (which is probably somewhat accurate...there are many people that lack a certain open-mindedness when it comes to anime or non-American film). With all the great stories that could be told, why choose one that's already been shown? That being said, of course I'm curious to see what he does with it, since it *is* a great story.

Not the right director.. (1)

Coleco (41062) | about 11 years ago | (#5769089)

One of my favorite mangas.. The anime version IMO has a lot of the meat of the story pulled out. Ultimately it's this very tragic love story about charecters trying to rise above their circumstances. I have a feeling that James Cameron would turn the story into an action movie. Ridley Scott might do an okay job.. Ang Lee would do an excellent job.. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon is one of the greatest films ever made IMO, and Battle Angel Alita should be made with the same sense of tragedy and loss. James Cameron is too Hollywood. One thing that Hollywood directors don't understand is charecterization in fight scenes, which is very important in anime/manga.

Four words: Who. The. Fuck. Cares. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769093)

Anime sucks.

I wonder: how many of the stinky, smelly, unwashed nerds here beat off to hentai or anime porn? Here's a thought. Why don't you read a book on how to conduct yourselves in social situations, take a shower and wash yourselves. Then maybe, just maybe, you will have the opportunity to engage in sexual intercourse with a female. It's really not that hard.

If all else fails, there is always the rub and tug Asian massage parlors in the seedy parts of your towns. If you have any Asians at all, you have massage parlors.

Re:Four words: Who. The. Fuck. Cares. (1)

crashfrog (126007) | about 11 years ago | (#5769351)

Are you ignorant, or just an idiot? Have you ever been to any anime societies? They're FILLED with women! Women who are dying to get some because they don't have any better idea how to be social than you seem to. Just say something like "I thought Ruroni Kenshin was the most beautiful anime ever!" and they'll be all over you like a shirt.

Dude, anime = chicks, totally.

He better not screw this one up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769179)

All I can see is Angelina Jolie in Tomb Raider. It'll <b>kill</b> me if Cameron screws up one of the best sci-fi stories ever.

Re:He better not screw this one up (1)

bj8rn (583532) | about 11 years ago | (#5769244)

Well, I haven't (fortunately) seen Tomb Raider, but I remember that originally, it was supposed to have Sandra Bullock as Lara Croft, and she was supposed to play this doubleplusgood adventurer who donates all the loot to an orphanage... Angelina Jolie told them to stuff themselves with this script.

For Tomb Raider... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5769662)

...ideally I would have gone with a different actress, namely one Jane Seymour.

Unfortunately, Jane was born too early to play Lara. She would have been the perfect Lara. She has the British accent, and in her 20s, she looked like Lara.

Ooh, will Harold Ramis be in it? (1)

Cygnus17 (661063) | about 11 years ago | (#5769260)

Although Ido wouldn't've taken half the shit that Spengler took from Venkman...

Seriously, though... this could be good, barring some sort of greedy bastardization (unfortunately a distinct likelihood with Hollywood, never mind the fact that it's Cameron). The only problem I really see with it is the ending, since Americans are not usually all that keen on action movies that end sort of as a downer. No pun intended, really, for those of you who've seen it.

On the other hand, can you imagine the eye-candy and gore-value?

Webmin (0)

vaseyandco (645760) | about 11 years ago | (#5769275)

Personnally I think he should spend his time developing webmin, which he does much much better than some of his films. ...oh

Apparently there are two James Cameron's. my mistake. It was on /. its a natural assumption!

Cameron interview (3, Informative)

torian (409642) | about 11 years ago | (#5769582)

There's an interview with James Cameron in today's Sunday Times Culture Section over here in Ireland. Here's a quote about what his next feature will be:

[He] is prepping his eighth feature film, which he hopes to shoot next year. All he will reveal is that it will be shot in 3-D, with "action and visual effects". He denies it will be a live-action/computer-generated adaptation of the Japanese animé film Battle Angel Alita, thought that's "in the queue", along with numerous other ideas.

So it looks like Battle Angel Alita won't be his next project after all.

Split feelings. (0)

Dri (16940) | about 11 years ago | (#5769941)

This is my absolute favorite anime all categories. I really hope JC get this right. I don't really think he knows what he's up against. This has been done before [imdb.com] with variable success [imdb.com] . Fall flat or win big. If this delivers that cyberpunk-fairy-tale-feeling as the original anime, congrats. Who will play Alita anyway? Who can play innocent and total mayhem ownzored bounty hunter? Well, good luck, hope don't hollywood wrecks it.

"Development" (1)

Vegan Pagan (251984) | about 11 years ago | (#5769981)

"I like that, that the development of her mind actually affects her physicality."

So the more she learns, the more she gets back problems. Great.

Why? (0)

HobbitGod42 (568144) | about 11 years ago | (#5770071)

if it was a good series as an anime what makes people think it will be a good series live action? I mean there were plenty of good video games but they had AWFUL live action counterparts e.g. Mario Brothers, Street Fighter, Double Dragon et al.

Please do better than the crap anime (1)

BoneFlower (107640) | about 11 years ago | (#5770153)

That anime was utter crap.

PLEASE! Focus on the story from the manga and its themes, its a much more engaging and sensible story.

If memory serves. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5770178)

If memory serves me correctly they tried to make a live action version of Iria: Zeiram the Animation and completely destroyed it. After the over act melodramatic mush that was Titanic (TITanic to those who bought the pirated copy), I don't have much hope that this will be a good movie or even a "B" movie for that matter.

Well thats my 2 cents
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