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Mac OS X 'Panther': User at the Center

CmdrTaco posted about 11 years ago | from the piling-it-on dept.

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MatthewRothenberg writes "Over at eWEEK, we believe we've got the drop on the much-discussed interface enhancements to Mac OS X 10.3, a k a Panther: The theme of this September release will be 'User at the Center,' an umbrella term for a variety of new features aimed at leapfrogging Microsoft when it comes to pervasive, user-focused computing. Niceties include user-configurable 'piles,' a fast-user-switching-type feature, and easy transferral of home directories among devices and the Web. Oh, and it's mo' definitely 64-bit-complete, too."

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users in the center (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5781971)

i'm sure steve jobs wishes the users were right in the center of his ass....

OS X is based on BSD and BSD rules! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5781983)

How can BSD [freebsd.org] be dying when it has a mascot [freebsd.org] like this?! Linux needs to get its act together if it's going to compete with the kind of hot chicks [hope-2000.org] and gorgeous babes [hope-2000.org] that BSD has to offer!

You just can't take Linux [redhat.com] seriously when its fronted by losers [nylug.org] like these. You Linux groupies need to find some sexy girls like her [hope-2000.org] ! I mean just look at this girl [madchat.org] ! Doesn't she [madchat.org] make you hard? I know this little hottie [madchat.org] floats my boat! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox [spilth.org] . As you can see, no man can resist this sexy [spilth.org] little cock teaser [spilth.org] . Even this old bearded Unix guru is apparently unable to take his eyes off her [spilth.org] !

Join the campaign for more cute [madchat.org] open source babes [madchat.org] today!

It's not dying, *BSD is DEAD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782095)

It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying.

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming close on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a cockeyed miracle could save *BSD from its fate at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Re:OS X is based on BSD and BSD rules! (1)

JasonBee (622390) | about 11 years ago | (#5782120)

Yeah...this from the same guy who is bringing us SCO-girl! http://hope-2000.org/smo/rumpel/pics/Unixbabes/SCO /sco.jpg While the BSD babes are probably overflowing with personality...your "Linux Babes" directory (http://hope-2000.org/smo/rumpel/pics/Unixbabes/Li nux/)is also a bit too large to toss the Linux users into the flames of mediocrity ;) JB

Re:OS X is based on BSD and BSD rules! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782336)

Ha! You wish, Linux boy! The Linux girls are all just photoshop jobs, but Ceren is real.

Re:OS X is based on BSD and BSD rules! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782199)

Seriously, man, I'm concerned. That young lady is hardly ugly, but she's not a babe, okay? If that's your standard for "OH MY GOD OH MY GOD" female beauty, you need to get out of the house more. Or at least flip on the television once in a while.


Re:OS X is based on BSD and BSD rules! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782272)

I wouldn't fuck that chick with your dick spank.

1st post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5781989)

1st post!

Re:1st post! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782011)

YOU FAIL IT you cock knocker...i achived firsty pist with out effort with the steve jobs homo post...you should be the first into his as as punishment for you amazing failure

Hot wholesome tasty grits on natalie portman (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5781993)

4 tablespoons butter
3/4 cup grits
3 cups water
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 cup co-jack cheese, grated
1/4 cup grated parmesan cheese
1/2 cup milk
2 eggs, beaten
1 garlic clove, minced
Preheat oven to 350 degrees.
Bring to a boil butter, grits, water and salt, stirring occasionally. Reduce heat and cook 10 more minutes, stirring frequently. Remove from heat. Stir in remaining ingredients. Continue stirring until cheese is melted. Place ingredients into a greased casserole dish and bake 55 minutes.

Did he say... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5781996)


I'm not touching those things.....


now if they can only (-1, Flamebait)

geekoid (135745) | about 11 years ago | (#5782002)

leapfrog Microsoft when it comes to market share.

taptaptap is this thing on?

Will Font Smoothing be less horrid? (1, Insightful)

sulli (195030) | about 11 years ago | (#5782005)

Because even with "Light" smoothing and small fonts unsmoothed the damn thing hurts my eyes. Windows font smoothing is much better, I regret to say (and I hate Windows XP).

Also one hopes the general Really Slow problem will be reduced, but I'm not holding my breath. (Still using Bronze PB G3, yes, I know, shoot me.)

Re:Will Font Smoothing be less horrid? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782084)

Yeah but Red Hat Linux 9 with the new bitstream GNOME fonts beats them ALL out.

Re:Will Font Smoothing be less horrid? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782270)

Yeah! Blurry letter-shaped smudges KICK ASS!

OS X font smoothing kicks `Cleartype`s ass (3, Insightful)

diatonic (318560) | about 11 years ago | (#5782146)

Apple does a much better job at font smoothing than Microsoft's Cleartype. Even though my main display is the 1280x854 hi-res PowerBook display, even when I mirror it to a CRT it looks a lot better than Cleartype in XP. I do think that Cleartype is (imnsho) superb to the anti-aliasing in xfs however.


Re:Will Font Smoothing be less horrid? (5, Insightful)

BluGuy (617572) | about 11 years ago | (#5782153)

Dude, lighten up. You're using equiptment that is at the bottom end of the spectrum for OS X. You're complaining about smoothing on an old LCD, and speed on an old CPU. If you want compare the two, try running XP on a sub gigahertz PC with a 15" CRT. I'm sure you're complain about it being Really Slow and hurting your eyes.

Re:Will Font Smoothing be less horrid? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782376)

Bad comparison. The age of the LCD has no effect on the quality of font smoothing. In fact, for plain non-moving text, and old LCD should look just like a new LCD, maybe slightly dimmer due to an aging backlight. Too bad you can't say the same for old CRTs, which tend to get blurrier as time goes on.

Also, I run XP on a 800Mhz PIII. It's perfectly usable. Faster than OS X on this guy's G3 at any rate.

Re:Will Font Smoothing be less horrid? (1)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | about 11 years ago | (#5782168)

Could you elaborate on the Really Slow problem? I'm on a G4 DP, which seems Really Fast. But then again, I don't get out much.

Re:Will Font Smoothing be less horrid? (5, Informative)

cmoney (216557) | about 11 years ago | (#5782178)

It's the Bronze G3 that's giving you a problem with font smoothing. I know because I have that same computer. I also have a PBG4 and it's so much better, it's unbelievable. Font smoothing on the Bronze G3 is so horrid it makes OS X unusable for me.

I wondered if that was the case. (1)

sulli (195030) | about 11 years ago | (#5782227)

Is it the graphics card or the LCD?

I will note, however, that when I checked in stores the newer PBs weren't exactly beautiful to me. Then again, I am an old, old Mac fan dating back to 1987, so to me small, clear screen fonts like Geneva are best. Maybe the young'uns like their text fuzzy, I don't know.

I only wish we had the level of control over text in X that we did in 9. If you want to use Geneva/Chicago and NEVER smooth, this should be a choice! But not even TinkerTool makes this happen.

Re:I wondered if that was the case. (1)

NetCurl (54699) | about 11 years ago | (#5782362)

I'm going to surmise that your Graphics card is not compatible with Quartz Extreme. All the newer cards are, and it off-loads all the CPU crunching that creates the nice font smoothing, slick effects, and general beauty of the OS, all to the GPU and lets your CPU work on all the real computing tasks.

I have a 1Ghz TiBook, and it beats the pants off my girlfriends Dell Laptop purchased roughly at the same time as mine, same price range, and running XP. I can't stand to use her's for more than 10 minutes at the snails pace it compares to.

Re:Will Font Smoothing be less horrid? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782243)

Why would that make any difference? Why would OS X use a good font smoothing algorithm on a G4, and a crappier one on the G3? Why not just use the same one?

Re:Will Font Smoothing be less horrid? (4, Insightful)

addaon (41825) | about 11 years ago | (#5782316)

I suspect that the subpixel algorithm assumes that an LCD has stripes in the order RGB... and, IIRC, the bronze G3 has GRB stripes, meaning that it's setting the wrong subpixels. What they really need is an algorithm that can adapt to this situation... but apparently it's a small enough population of their market that it's not worth the effort, and (AFAIK) /every/ color LCD is RGB order right now.

drop, what? (3, Insightful)

Dg93 (10261) | about 11 years ago | (#5782006)

Got the drop? There was nothing in this article that hasn't been floating around the mac rumor sites for weeks now.

Leapfrogging? (4, Insightful)

Brento (26177) | about 11 years ago | (#5782007)

...new features aimed at leapfrogging Microsoft.... Niceties include...a fast-user-switching-type feature, and easy transferral of home directories among devices and the Web.

Not to troll, but if they're thinking they can leapfrog with user switching and roaming home directories, they need to jump a lot higher than that. User switching came with XP, and roaming home directories has been in since 2000. My home directory syncs automatically between my desktop & laptop & other home workstation, and it's been brain-free for years with Windows 2000 Server.

Re:Leapfrogging? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782049)

And unix has been doing this for far longer...

Re:Leapfrogging? (3, Insightful)

alernon (91859) | about 11 years ago | (#5782066)

Well, that sentence was most likely the work of the articles author and not any source at Apple. I think it's just badly written/researched. The author probably just picked a couple of features out without even checking if these were the ones that were meant to surpass Windows in usability.

Re:Leapfrogging? (3, Insightful)

Otter (3800) | about 11 years ago | (#5782098)

Actually, the submitter said that. The article specifically mentions that the features are intended to catch up with XP.

Re:Leapfrogging? (5, Interesting)

feldsteins (313201) | about 11 years ago | (#5782142)

I don't think anyone at Apple would say they're "leapfrogging" Windows with a "fast user switching" work-alike feature. I think they would say, however, that they're going to do it better. And I bet they do.

Well maybe not better by nerd standards. Better in the sense that a lot more of the user base actually finds the feature understandable and easy enough to actually use instead of being one of those wierd "did you know?" features of windows that only nerds use.

Actually I hope they hide the feature away in some rarely-looked at place. Your average user who doesn't know the difference between a document and a program certainly doesn't know the difference between logging out and logging out while leaving applications running. I mean just think of the people who have come to you and said "mydocument is gone!" because it no longer appeared in the "recently used" list.

Re:Leapfrogging? (1)

rmarll (161697) | about 11 years ago | (#5782190)

Suitcases have almost the same functionality (as far as I know anyhow), and have been around since Win95.

If Apple really want's to get a leg up on Microsoft, all they need to do is make competant software that makes my life better. Unfortunately publicly traded companies seem to be nigh incompetant in this area.

Linux is probably our only real hope for free computing. Someday anyway.

I guess I'll skip jaguar (1)

Brandon Sharitt (667596) | about 11 years ago | (#5782021)

I've been planning to buy jaguar for a while but I never quite got around to it. I guess I'll stick with 10.1 intil the end of the summer.

I see trouble abrewing... (0, Troll)

confused philosopher (666299) | about 11 years ago | (#5782029)

"Features of the OS reportedly won't be frozen until May"

And it is due in September! Can you say scope creep!

Re:I see trouble abrewing... (1)

Kenshin (43036) | about 11 years ago | (#5782350)

"Features of the OS reportedly won't be frozen until May"

...and with this stupid weather we've been having, I don't see the ground outside being THAWED until May.

Piles (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782051)

Finally a desktop metaphor I can relate to. If I can lose the bowl in the 'specifications' pile and use the dried trail left over from some spilled dew as an index, it'll be just like IRL.

Piles? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782061)

OSX is a pile alright...

Holy Unavoidable Lawsuit Batman! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782069)

WTF? What on earth are they thinking making Apple's marketing campaign public over four months before it starts? Speculate on the hardware or software, fine. Make that public for page counts, for a little while. But can you imagine what it would be like if the Mini-me/Yao commercial was leaked this far before the laptops availability?!

They might actually be able to meet the demand by now.

hm? (4, Insightful)

Neophytus (642863) | about 11 years ago | (#5782070)

easy transferral of home directories among devices and the Web

Keeping copies of your home directory on the web at the moment would seem to me impractical as many/most 'home users' still use a 56k modem which would make synchronisation of anything more than your office documents a bit of a joke.

Once you have broadband then you encounter the problem of web storage and assosiated costs. Most providers won't let you host illegal files to cover their own arses, and more than a few hundred MB is rare on most traditional web hosting packages. I see a market for a premium file mirroring monopoly here, jump onboard before AOL takes over!

Re:hm? (4, Insightful)

mrpuffypants (444598) | about 11 years ago | (#5782136)

hell, even over broadband it'd be annoying to have to sync my home directory with the .mac server... I've got at least 1GB of things in my Documents folder, almost 10GB in music, and god knows how much in the movies dir.

on another note, has anybody else noticed how much /. is reporting Apple news lately? I sense that this company is going to come back and really, really big...

Re:hm? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782137)

Most providers won't let you host illegal files to cover their own arses

That's OK; Apple will just set up storage at mac.com with a header that says "Don't Steal Software." That'll make all the legal problems go away.

Re:hm? (1)

BigJimSlade (139096) | about 11 years ago | (#5782222)

I see a market for a premium file mirroring monopoly here, jump onboard before AOL takes over!

Gee, if only Apple [mac.com] had thought about doing that...

Piles (5, Interesting)

Squidgee (565373) | about 11 years ago | (#5782080)

I have to say I like the concept of piles; it's the type of intuitive idea I like to see coming from UI design. In fact, it reminds a lot of another awesome UI idea, Clutter [sprote.com] , an interface for iTunes. It shows all of the CDs you have as CD cases/covers on your desktop. Double click, and you've got your CD running in iTunes.

This seems like an awesome UI concept, and one which will (Once again) put the Mac GUI head and shoulders above the rest.

Re:Piles (1)

ElGanzoLoco (642888) | about 11 years ago | (#5782173)

The idea of Clutter is ... awkward, at best. The whole idea of iTunes it to get rid of the mess associated with CD cases.. I have more less 220 albums currently ripped. How the hell do I fit them all on my 17" desktop? I have one concern about the piles (though I like the idea): how does the Terminal (ls, cp, scp etc...) interpret those piles? As dirs? Or as a loose bunch of files?

Piles vs. Folders (4, Interesting)

Amoeba Protozoa (15911) | about 11 years ago | (#5782280)

So I did a quick search for piles, and just about every article I read echoed this one [macpronews.com] . So, basically piles are folders (directories) that are non-nestable.

About the only use I can see for this feature is that it will help certain users who are fuzzy on how folder hierarchies are supposed to work...but heck, if that makes the user's computing experience all the more rich and it keeps people like my mother from calling me asking how to find her documents, why not?

Has anybody else reached a different conclusion than I have?


Re:Piles (5, Informative)

Squidgee (565373) | about 11 years ago | (#5782356)

For those of you who are unclear on piles, read this [asktog.com] :

"Apple holds a patent on this one. Developed by Gitta Salomon and her team close to a decade ago, a pile is a loose grouping of documents. Its visual representation is an overlay of all the documents within the pile, one on top of the other, rotated to varying degrees. In other words, a pile on the desktop looked just like a pile on your real desktop.

To view the documents within the pile, you clicked on the top of the pile and drew the mouse up the screen. As you did so, one document after another would appear as a thumbnail next to the pile. When you found the one you were looking for, you would release the mouse and the current document would open.

Piles, unlike today's folders, gave you a lot of hints as to their contents. You could judge the number of documents in the pile by its height. You could judge its composition very rapidly by pulling through it."

piles (2, Funny)

pyros (61399) | about 11 years ago | (#5782093)

I guess PHB's can start using them now that they can pile up documents in large random .. uh .. piles, all over their desktops, just like their desks and shelves.

The drop....out? (1)

Zerocool3001 (664976) | about 11 years ago | (#5782116)

Does this mean that Apple is going to be focusng on segmenting their multi-user systems in OSX 10.3? If so, won't this mean annoying permissions problems for admin users?

Piles? (4, Insightful)

LippyTheLip (582561) | about 11 years ago | (#5782125)

From the article: In addition, sources said Panther will finally mark the debut of the much-discussed "piles" GUI design concept, which Apple patented in June 2001. According to the patent, piles comprise collections of documents represented graphically in stacks. Users can browse the "piled" documents dynamically by pointing at them with the cursor; the filing system can then divide a pile into subpiles based on each document's content. At the user's request, the filing system can automatically file away documents into existing piles with similar content.

I must have missed the "much-discussed" piles conecpt on /. Can someone enlighten me, please?

How does this differ from a hierarchical filing system? Aren't my directories "piles of related documents"? Does ths just automate filing by indexing the content or am I missing something?

Re:Piles? (5, Informative)

michaelggreer (612022) | about 11 years ago | (#5782206)

With piles, you don't have to go "inside" the folder, just pick out the doc you want frm the pile. Take a look here:


Re:Piles? (1, Redundant)

godawful (84526) | about 11 years ago | (#5782374)

here is a possible example [mac.com] of how they will work, flash required.

the idea is that you could stack documents in a group on top of each other, so to speak. say you are working on a web page, you could select say the index.html and the images (or whatever, im assuming) and group them together in one pile.

after this, you would convieably be able to click and hold or right click, and the pile would expand to show you the documents contained in said pile. while expanded you could select which file you actually want to open.

could be nifty

Doesn't matter (-1, Troll)

BigChigger (551094) | about 11 years ago | (#5782127)

I'll never use OSX until Apple drastically reduces thair hardware cost. OSX simply isn't an issue.


Re:Doesn't matter (1)

akac (571059) | about 11 years ago | (#5782194)

Then I hope you get one soon:


Re:Doesn't matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782203)

yeah well i'll never use MS windows until Microsoft becomes a reputable company.

(this includes but is not limited to:)
installing software without user concent
leaving "backdoors" open
outrageous "lock in" licensing programs

Re:Doesn't matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782276)

Yes and apple is never guilty of the above mentioned tactitcs. Apple is just ad draconian and evil as MS if not more so. But since they're the little guy so they're cool. Apple is evil, Microsoft is evil. Microsoft is just the bigger evil company.

Re:Doesn't matter (1)

Mononoke (88668) | about 11 years ago | (#5782251)

I'll never use OSX until Apple drastically reduces thair hardware cost. OSX simply isn't an issue.
Good. Don't.

Should Apple choose to do what it takes to "drastically reduce their hardware costs" (ie: Use cheap hardware, eliminate tech support, increase tolerances) I won't be using OSX any more. I hate buying crap that doesn't last.

Re:Doesn't matter (0, Troll)

superdan2k (135614) | about 11 years ago | (#5782346)

Then why are you bothering to read this, much less comment on it? Boo-fucking-hoo. You won't buy OSX until it runs in a poorly-designed beige shitbox that you can hack to hell and gone. And when OSX starts to bloat up so that it can support all the cheap two-bit (not file size) junk that floats around in the PC world, you can bitch about the "old days" when OSX was a tight, well-constructed OS instead of a pile of kludges like Windows.

No OSX for you? Darn. I'd hate to see a narrow-minded troll running my favorite OS.

Re:Doesn't matter (1)

pressman (182919) | about 11 years ago | (#5782370)

Who modded this up? Ridiculous. It's about on par with saying, "Windows is insecure and costs too much". Really insightful for sure!

I wish their was a "freaking obvious" moderation score.

What the fuck is the internet? (-1, Troll)

jpsst34 (582349) | about 11 years ago | (#5782145)

All you motherfuckers are gonna pay, You are the ones who are the ball-lickers. We're gonna fuck your mothers while you watch and cry like little bitches. Once we get to Hollywood and find those Miramax fucks who are making that movie, we're gonna make 'em eat our shit, then shit out our shit, then eat their shit which is made up of our shit that we made 'em eat. Then you're all fucking next. Love, Jay and Silent Bob.

That stuff about the home folder (2)

Capt'n Hector (650760) | about 11 years ago | (#5782155)

what about those of us whose home folders are gigabytes in size? This new feature eweek is talking about would work well for small home folders, but I'm not so sure about large ones. However, I hope that this means that we can easily switch our home folder to a different partition or disk.

'Panther' retires Sherlock (5, Funny)

napa1m (154836) | about 11 years ago | (#5782187)

Rumor has it that in 'Panther' they have replaced the Sherlock application with the new bumbling 'Inspector'

here is a preview [bka.net] of their new ad campaign.

(credit where due: my friend andy is a hopeless mac addict with apparently too much time on his hands, this is his handiwork)

^nA - my daily illustrations [creaturesinmyhead.com]

Re:'Panther' retires Sherlock (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782281)

this would certainly reestablish Apple as The Gay Computer.

The question I can't find an answer to anywhere... (5, Interesting)

BDew (202321) | about 11 years ago | (#5782189)

is how much is this new cat gonna cost?

Will we get to upgrade for free? Or is this our yearly $100 for an OS upgrade? Why not just have people who know they will want to upgrade subscribe to the OS (say, at a reduced rate maybe)?

Re:The question I can't find an answer to anywhere (1)

bmetzler (12546) | about 11 years ago | (#5782234)

Will we get to upgrade for free? Or is this our yearly $100 for an OS upgrade? Why not just have people who know they will want to upgrade subscribe to the OS (say, at a reduced rate maybe)?

How come people always want things for free? What's the deal? Sometimes I think that people's adversion to capitalism hurts companies worse then Microsoft's anti-trust violations.


Re:The question I can't find an answer to anywhere (1)

NanoGator (522640) | about 11 years ago | (#5782258)

"How come people always want things for free? What's the deal? Sometimes I think that people's adversion to capitalism hurts companies worse then Microsoft's anti-trust violations."

Don'tcha think you jumped the gun a bit?

He didn't say free. He offered to pay a subscription. He wanted a little discount for being a loyal customer. It's a common thing these days.

Re:The question I can't find an answer to anywhere (2, Interesting)

Steveftoth (78419) | about 11 years ago | (#5782359)

You are basically subscribing to it. Just they don't take your money every month.
Why can't people just save their money instead of blowing it on every DVD that comes out?
How about I offer a subscription and you pay me $10 a month, then 18 months later when they release the new OS for a hundred (or 129 like they did last time), I'll buy you a copy and ship it to you.

Re:The question I can't find an answer to anywhere (1)

BDew (202321) | about 11 years ago | (#5782269)

I'm not really adverse to paying something for it. I'd just like to know ahead of time what the deal will be. I also think it might be a nice move to give those of us who have supported each OS X rollout with our dollars a small break if/when we choose to again.

Re:The question I can't find an answer to anywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782307)

always want things for free? What's the deal?

Troll. I bet if microsoft charged $100US for a service release, you'd be one of the first to slag them off. It's not OS 11, it's a point release.

Piles system (2, Interesting)

gratefully dead (638634) | about 11 years ago | (#5782197)

I've seen the piles system on some professor's website about a year ago.

Thought it was totally innovative, and a very cool way to classify documents, something like a crude version of the OS seen in Minority Report (why do all of the video clips in the future have to be all flickery and dark though?). I'm not sure if I would use it, but props to Apple for innovation.

Of course if you want to use this OS you will have to shell out $100 to upgrade .1 of a version number. Sheesh!

Re:Piles system (5, Informative)

Daniel_Staal (609844) | about 11 years ago | (#5782306)

Of course if you want to use this OS you will have to shell out $100 to upgrade .1 of a version number. Sheesh!

I actually think Apple's switched to a new version numbering sceme: 10.x.x. The 10 is constant (a marketing number basically), and the x.x is the 'real' version number.

So basically the current version is 2.5, and Panther is version 3.0.

Available soon... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782213)

For just $200US!

No free / reduced price upgrades available (just like 10.2) - they want to fleece you all over again.

I bought a OS X 10.1 mac 2 weeks before 10.2 came out... Want to know just HOW PISSED OFF I was? 1 useless non-working OS & faced the prospect of shelling out more money just to make the damn thing work?

At least M$ give cheaper upgrade prices. If Apple try that stunt again, they'll lose shit loads of customers. Mod this down as flamebait if u want, but Apple don't give a shit about existing customers, only new ones.

Re:Available soon... (1)

Chicane-UK (455253) | about 11 years ago | (#5782326)

[i]..but Apple don't give a shit about existing customers, only new ones.[/i]

Isn't that like pretty much any big company? Its pretty rare to find companies who will fall over themselves to help out exisitng customers. They'd much rather focus on selling their product to new customers because thats where they money is!

Car dealerships are almost always the same with only a handful that are keen to keep their customers happy.

damn rumormongers (2, Insightful)

pelorus (463100) | about 11 years ago | (#5782229)

Apple hasn't said they'd ship any of this...

And if they don't, why it'll be Apple "failed" to ship them.

Isn't there a cull on journalists sometime?

It's "slow" for a reason (3, Interesting)

mdw162 (654188) | about 11 years ago | (#5782230)

People are constantly griping about how Mac OSX is slow (as well as with KDE and Gnome for Linux) compared to Windows. And they're right. Windows is faster for a lot of GUI applications -- but there's a reason for the difference.

The biggest thing that helps Windows' speed is the registry. It's basically a database and so it's faster in searching for settings and library links. However, there are two big problems with the registry that in my opinion do not offset its speed advantage. First, the registry slows down a lot as it grows and software is installed and removed. After a certain size, the registry actually makes things slower. Second, anyone who's used Regclean knows that it is almost NEVER in a clean state and eventually program installations get corrupted, "cruft factor" sets in, and people concede it's time to reinstall. You don't have this problem in OSX.

Re:It's "slow" for a reason (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782349)

Uh... what?

The registry has nothing whatsoever to do with GUI responsiveness, is this a troll?

well it seems like Apple understands what PC means (1)

joeflies (529536) | about 11 years ago | (#5782247)

PC by definition is a personal computer, where you do what you want, using a UI, regardless of whether computing at home or on the web. In contrast, Microsoft's Windows UI is merely a front end to total server-side control over what you watch (DRM, UltimateTV), what you run (.NET+palladium) and how you log on (passport).

Hype? (4, Insightful)

Obiwan Kenobi (32807) | about 11 years ago | (#5782256)

Um, where's the content? Where's the screenshots? Looks like a press release in sheeps clothing to me.

"Yeah, it's got this feature and this one too...and it's gonna whoop up on Longhorn! Woohoo!"

Other than a feature list, which can be found in many other places, and some that aren't confirmed yet, this look like hype to me with little to back it up...

Re:Hype? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782353)

These aren't the features you're looking for. Move along.

New Journaling System (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782275)

The journaling technology extends OS X's HFS+ file system and can be applied to current Mac OS volumes without reformatting. Users of Mac OS X Server can activate journaling by clicking on a "Make journaled" button within the Disk Utility application; they can also access it via the command line or remotely via a Secure Shell (SSH) connection.

shouldn't they... (-1, Troll)

Ratphace (667701) | about 11 years ago | (#5782297)

...spend some money feeding the hungry and building homes for the homeless or something useful with their time? Maybe they should join venture with IBM to come up with MAC OS Warp 11, or some other failed from the start venture...
Or maybe they can get some moron on the TV telling me how they can't make a book of photo's for their little girl....erm, wait, we've seen that jackass already, nevermind...

Re:shouldn't they... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5782328)

Why are you so negative? Do you feel neglected or unloved? Is it because of your halitosis? Let us know and we will try our best to help you.

Cost (1)

iamweezman (648494) | about 11 years ago | (#5782320)

The apple product might be a superior product, especially since they have continued to see the good in thier competitors and improve upon it, but for the average user, this isn't going to bring them over just yet. The price seems to be the determining factor for most, uninformed of course, buyers. These are the same consumers that wouldn't upgrade their hardware because they believe they lack the need.

If only they would start to release the software on third party hardware like the rumors suggest...

Other info on Panther (4, Insightful)

iJed (594606) | about 11 years ago | (#5782358)

There is currently very little real information on Panther at this point. The only thing we really know for a fact is that it will be called 10.3 (since Jordan Hubbard said so in an interview). Other than this the only information comes from LoopRumors [looprumors.com] , MacOSRumors [macosrumors.com] (dodgy), Mac Rumors [macrumors.com] and maybe one or two others. The information from these sites can range from dead on to absolute rubbish.
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