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Firebird Database Project Admin on Name Clash

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the stuff-to-read dept.

Mozilla 563

CapnKirk writes "Ann Harrison weighs in on the "Firebird--database or browser?" name clash. Her take on things: our users feel threatened. We're responding to their concerns. AOL lawyers said it's ok, so the Mozilla team isn't interested in negotiating, but that's ok because we've gotten a lot of publicity and name recognition. And no, we don't plan on going to court." As always, a small group of users are being real asses about the whole thing. Yay.

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This'll teach em (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784158)

Those database people should've never named their program the same thing as the browser.

Re:This'll teach em (5, Insightful)

Jason1729 (561790) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784216)

Those database people should've never named their program the same thing as the browser

They should have never named it after the car and then expected that nobody would do the same to them.

Jason
ProfQuotes [profquotes.com]

Thank God (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784169)

Firebird browser = something everyone likes.

Firebird database = who the fuck even knows what this is?

Down with Firebird, long live Firebird!

Re:Thank God (1)

hatrisc (555862) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784182)

i second that. until i heard of this "name clash" firebird database was non existent in the eyes of many. i'm not for the phoenix name change but, firebird will serve it's purpose as a name for a great project.

Re:Thank God (5, Insightful)

dmp95 (640686) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784280)

If ignorance is bliss, you must be quite happy. Many of us who actually develop against multiple databases for a living are actually familiar with Firebird the database. I think that the Mozilla people are doing a shitty thing and that they should back off and find another name. The people behind firebird have done some decent work, now why don't the rabid /.'s back off and show some respect for a solid open source project?

Firebird: Car! (2, Funny)

ashutoshsm (156277) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784173)

Ooops - nope - I guess they discontinued that, eh?

Re:Firebird: Car! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784192)

Trans Am = Pontiac Firebird Trans-Am, so no, they haven't discontinued it.

New Names (5, Funny)

benntop (449447) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784177)

I would be satisfied if Mozilla's new name was just "Not Internet Explorer".

Methinks even more people would want to use it too.

Using Not Internet Explorer 1.3...

Re:New Names (5, Funny)

quantaman (517394) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784322)

I would be satisfied if Mozilla's new name was just "Not Internet Explorer".

More like

"I can't believe it's not Internet Explorer!" ...

okay fortunatly I can believe it's not IE which is why I use it, and yes I do deserve to be savagely beaten for that pathetic attempt at humor, ahh well I only need to decieve 3 people...

Re:New Names (1)

jpmahala (181937) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784339)



How about YAMS?

Yet
Another
Mozilla
Spinoff

(It seems as though every other Open Source project name is an acrostic..)

Re:New Names (1)

riqnevala (624343) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784385)

Aah, I am surfing with "not slow browser", as they released version 7.10 of it...

Do you really believe we would never run out of cool words? Fortunately, finnish dictionary is fairly unused still.... Maybe I'll call my next project "Paska" - as it may be.

FP for mrgoat (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784179)

nt

YOU FAIL IT! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784225)

useless kurobot

I believe the proper legal term is... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784180)

Finders Keepers.

Apples & Oranges. (5, Insightful)

bdowne01 (30824) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784184)

I really don't understand why the ferocity of their defense of the "Firebird" name.

One is a database.
Another is a browser.
It's also a car.

Unless, like I read in another post... it's all about publicity to just get the "Firebird" name out there.

Ah well.

Re:Apples & Oranges. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784244)

If you have a trademark, you must defend it in order to keep it. They have a trademark on Firebird software. If they see someone else using Firebird for some other software, they must defend their trademark or they will lose it.

Re:Apples & Oranges. (2)

Jahf (21968) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784250)

So the members of this group are "asses"?

Asian trademarks aside, what do you think the Mozilla group would have done if a small SQL database had decide to adopt the name MozillaSQL?

If Mozilla is going to keep the new name for its new browser ... the least these folks deserve is a little publicity. At the minimum it has gotten the word out enough that folks like myself who pay some attention but not a LOT of attention to OSS will not get the 2 projects confused.

Re:Apples & Oranges. (1)

Enrico Pulatzo (536675) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784351)

The problem is you no longer have implied context in conversations. Every time you email a friend about the newest release of Firebird, you have to say, FirebirdDB or Firebird the browser. It isn't a big deal to some, but to others (say, people who will use both for a project or everyday at work) neither product may as well have a name, as you have to use a redundant moniker with every instance.

I don't think so (2, Insightful)

Cthefuture (665326) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784377)

Now, I'd never heard of the Firebird database before this. However, from what I can tell their database is called Firebird. Just "Firebird", not FirebirdSQL as others have suggested. So both the database and browser are called exactly the same thing.

Also, while it's true they are two completely different applications, they are both software that you run on your computer. That's too close for comfort. What does "Are you using Firebird?" mean exactly (could be database, or it could mean the browser).

With that said, when you use something so obvious as Firebird for the name of your application, you damn well better get a trademark or something because you should just assume zillions of others will think of using the same name. This was a mistake the database people made, for sure.

So, I think the Phoenix group is probably legally safe, but the nice thing to do would be to pick another name. I know they don't want to do this because it means more lawyer fees and coming up with yet another name. I dunno... They don't have to do this and it doesn't look like they are. In which case if I were the Firebird database people then I would come up with another name and trademark it (as painful as that may be). It's not like it was a database being used by 100's of thousands of people and they will now all be confused by the name change.

1 name can ref to more then one person (1)

oxnyx (653869) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784188)

People should get it thur there heads that if things are in different fields it's ok for them to have the same name....gheez

Re:1 name can ref to more then one person (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784256)

People should get it thur there heads that if things are in different fields it's ok for them to have the same name....gheez

Spell much?

Re:1 name can ref to more then one person (1)

jd142 (129673) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784286)

Define a field. This is in regards to software applications. See? One field. But then you say, "That's too broad. One's a database application, the other's a web browser." To which I respond, do you think that Linus would let Microsoft call a word processor that only ran on Windows the Linux Word Processor program? Do you think RMS would like the Microsoft GNU Database program? (Is GNU trademarked?) You get the idea.

Re:1 name can ref to more then one person (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784382)

If the word processor ran on Linux, he'd probably have to.

GNU is clearly a mark that has significance across software as an entire category. If the GNU database program weren't part of the GNU project, it would clearly by infringing.

But Firebird isn't a significant mark across the entire industry. That's why we have Firebird the browser, Firebird the DB, and Firebird the BBS software.

Oh, yeah. They forgot to mention that there is BBS software using the Firebird name that's been around a log longer than Firebird the db.

But that's nothing like DBs and Browsers, right?

Oh Come On (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784189)

Take this thread down quick and let's pretend it never got started.

sounds like they're just whining (2, Offtopic)

Wakkow (52585) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784194)

The tone of the article, to me, sounds like they're just whining. I'm not convinced that having a browser named Phoenix will harm them. Either way, I undestand them wanting Mozilla to choose a new name, but the steps they've taken seem very unprofessional.

Feel free to try and convince me.. I'm curious what others think.

see I thought (1)

standsolid (619377) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784199)

it was FirebirdSQL, not firebird. But i could be totally wrong. The Mozilla team choosing Firebird does /help/ the firebirdsql project more than it hurts it. like all the 12-year-old flamers say "who heard of firebirdsql before all this?". as naiive and incredibly stupid as it sounds, they have a point the don't know they are making. firebirdsql was somewhat unknow until this whole hoo-ah. let's hope they might win some users with this... i mean 300,000 slashdot readers right?

Re:see I thought (1)

thesman (655727) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784268)

If you knew what Interbase was and something about borland releasing its source-code a few versions ago... then you would know about Firebird...

Oops.. I forgot... no one cares about Opensource software, Borland or even Interbase... my mistake. sorry.

I'm empathetic... (2, Insightful)

Yoda2 (522522) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784201)

While most Slashdot users won't be confused by a Firebird DB & a Firebird browser, many browser end-users might be.

More importantly, it will just make all the geek headlines messy. You'll see an update on freshmeat and have to double-check which product it is for.

Re:I'm empathetic... (3, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784300)

While most Slashdot users won't be confused by a Firebird DB & a Firebird browser, many browser end-users might be.

yeah... I can see it...

"Dammit, this stupid firebird browser sucks. I can find any web pages on it.."

tech support: " do you have your proxy set wrong?"

"No, it keeps telling me my query is wrong and I need to select a database first! this this is pure crap!"

I can see that... same as those idiots in sales keep trying to piss in the vending machines because they are the same color as the urinal stalls. And dont get me started what they do because the odor cakes in the urinals look like a favorite food around here!

People are so fricking stupid nowdays you have to be careful because names easily confuse them.

Ok so was a too sarcastic?

Re:I'm empathetic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784333)

Yea I can see the tech support issues now...
TECH: Which browser are you using?
CALLER: Firebird
TECH: I'm sorry mama we don't support database questions, only internet questions. Please call our toll database line at 555-2234 [click]

Dear Apple (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784208)

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Stupid Name Anyway (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784209)

C'mon, "Firebird"? Come up with something better, all of you!

Re:Stupid Name Anyway (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784357)

No shit. Firebird, Thunderbird. What retarded names.

Users (3, Insightful)

flynt (248848) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784229)

And I've spent most of the last week responding to people who read about this on Slashdot and call me a spammer, a terrorist, and a sucker of moose balls.

Whose users are being asses again?

Re:Users (2, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784372)

Basically, because the users of Firebird object. Our users develop applications based on Firebird and other open source components. That's their bread and butter. When they say that something will damage them, I have an obligation to respond.

It's not the Firebird(DB) users, they have a legitimate problem with something which is going to confuse their potential clients, and possibly damage their projects/businesses. All because noone on the mozilla team could think up anything more clever than "Firebird".

I mean, jeez, cant they just say "Oh, Firebird is taken... Lets call it Miata or Boxter or Webmangler".

Re:Users (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784387)

Those are precisely the "asses" to which Taco was referring.

I couldn't care less about this issue but she certainly does turn a phrase nicely.

Getting the priorties straight (3, Funny)

sssmashy (612587) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784230)

Consider Anne's Responses:

Q: Several sites, including LinuxWorld, News.com, Slashdot and Neowin.net have published articles on the conflict. How do you feel about the media coverage of the dispute?

A: "To be frank, I haven't read any of the articles. I've got a mangled database I'm trying to resurrect and I've been answering e-mails from people who object to my attempt to raise our profile."

and yet, Anne admits:

"And I've spent most of the last week responding to people who read about this on Slashdot and call me a spammer, a terrorist, and a sucker of moose balls."

Glad to see she has her priorities straight. She's been too busy responding to the flames of Slashdot readers to read any of the other articles on the conflict... ;-)

Re:Getting the priorties straight (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784290)

... and a sucker of moose balls.

Mmm moose balls.

Re:Getting the priorties straight (3, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784380)

"And I've spent most of the last week responding to people who read about this on Slashdot and call me a spammer, a terrorist, and a sucker of moose balls."

Whoever came up with the moose balls email to her please stand up....

You da Man!

Re:Getting the priorties straight (1)

Quixote (154172) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784383)

> I've got a mangled database I'm trying to resurrect

One can only assume its her product... ?

so what (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784233)

We've never heard of either one, so why is this "Stuff that matters"? Their only claim to fame is that they had each other's name. Whoa! Look out for the products with similar names! They're the next killer apps! They'll name the competition out of the product space. So much for "sticks and stones..."

Now, for programmers with a real set of balls, let's see them name a product "Microsoft" and try to get away with it. You will see holy hell unleashed as never before. Nukes have nothing on an aproaching cloud of lawyers.

Blasted? (1)

unsinged int (561600) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784236)

IBPhoenix are the blasted remnants of that independent open source company Borland tried to set up.

That makes it sound like she doesn't like it. I guess maybe it was intended more along the lines of "blast remnants" or "last remnants."

Re:Blasted? (1)

greenskyx (609089) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784291)

The last remnants of the Empire have been disolved.. you are part of a rebel alliance and a traitor!

This smacks familiar (5, Insightful)

dledeaux (174743) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784237)

Quote:

Trademark law distinguishes a number of categories of use. A dry cleaner could call itself Apple Cleaners without conflict, but a computer called the Appel McIntosh would be a violation. Software is a category. Browsers, databases, compilers, etc. are all part of the software category.


This reminds me of the disputes over domain names. Like whether Nissan motors vs Nissan computers has any more right to nissan.com than the other.

I believe in the first come first serve. Mozilla needs to find a new name.

Still like my name idea better (4, Funny)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784260)

I still think Mozilla should take a clue from the automotive world, and call it what everyone else calls the Pontiac Firebird(the Screaming/Flaming Chicken- remember the giant decal on the hood?), only with the typical Mozilla twist.

"Introducing Screaming Dinosaur 7.0! Now features a Mullet theme(complete with AC/DC soundtrack) and optional CinderBlock technology, which completely disables the browser(but leaves it on your desktop, along with dozens of useless old documents and applications.)"

Re:Still like my name idea better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784341)

it's call a "Firechicken"

tyranny of the majority (2, Insightful)

Dave Burbank (203271) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784262)

"As always, a small group of users are being real asses about the whole thing. Yay."

- CmdrTaco, advocating the tyranny of the majority since 2003.

oh please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784267)

nobody uses this firebird garbage, and nobody
with any knowledge is going to. i bet they
all use eXtreme Programming, too

Everyone Knows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784276)

That a true "Firebird" is a lame 80s muscle car with obnoxious hood graphics that blares hair-metal as it coughs its way down the street.

What's on your mind? (1)

jpmahala (181937) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784282)



Who ever said that Open Source developers cared more about politics than code? Well, it's the disputes and the stories about those disputes (like this one) that make everyone feel otherwise.

grub a dub dub (1)

eegad (588763) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784283)

I wondered at this very thing when Slashdot recently posted about the Grub search engine [slashdot.org]. Grub was a boot loader last time I checked. Hmmmm...

Re:grub a dub dub (1)

asr_man (620632) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784391)

Good point. People recognize the value of a cool name and defend it accordingly. Something that soars in the sky vs. something that writhes in filth...

Two observations: (1)

coupland (160334) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784287)

1. The Firebase DB people seem to almost openly acknowledge this was a publicity stunt.
2. The mozilla.org people probably should have been more understanding to another open source effort. Code of thieves and all that.

That having been said I fall firmly in the "don't care" camp. Surely there's an M$ flame to be posted or a *BSD gripe to be aired, we're too busy for this stuff...

How does it hurt them? (2, Insightful)

papasui (567265) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784292)

After reading the article I fail to see which aspect of the browser being called Firebird negatively hurts them? Maybe they just want to be the top hits in a search engine and are afraid that the browser Firebird might steal that glory? Maybe they should just call it 'Phirebird' since Phoenix starts with a PH anyways and then it wouldn't piss them off but it would probably piss someone else off. You just can't make everyone happy so why bother trying.

But why... (2, Insightful)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784296)

But why did mozilla team pickup the name firebird ? I am preety sure they knew about the firebird database.
So why firebird ? I mean why create a controversy even if it's legal.
For 's sake, how difficult is it to come up with a name . Why not just call it mozilla-lite ?

Re:But why... (1)

jonabbey (2498) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784347)

No, they didn't. The chose Firebird because it was close to Phoenix, which they had been using for the browser-only component for sometime, before the Phoenix BIOS people made an issue out of it, due to their plans to produce a browser themselves.

Which license allowed your project to get started? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784297)

Borland owns the InterBase copyright and released one version under a variant of the Mozilla license in July of 2000. ... Mark O'Donohue and a few others who wanted to work on the code created a fork and called it Firebird.
Thanks, Mozilla...

"Firebird" is a dumb name for a browser... (5, Interesting)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784301)

Personally, I think Mozilla should change the name - not so much because FirebirdSQL was first, but because Firebird is a dumb name for a browser :)

In keeping with the fire and lizard themes, how about "Salamander" for the browser?

I think we need a /. poll on this issue - let the Slashdot croud weigh in! Here's my suggestion:

Should Mozilla change Firebird's name?

  • Yes, Firebird (the database) was first
  • Yes, Firebird's a car, not a browser
  • No, Firebird Browser and Firebird Database can coexist
  • No, FirebirdSQL should forfeight the name
  • Who cares? I don't use either!
  • Name the browser CowboyNeal and the database Hemos

Re:"Firebird" is a dumb name for a browser... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784389)

In keeping with the fire and lizard themes, how about "Salamander" for the browser?

Plus, funny mormon joke!

HA!HA!HAH!

IBPhoenix should STFU (-1, Flamebait)

Ether (4235) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784304)

Pissant little backwater project of the remnants of a failed product getting beat like a red-headed stepchild in their own market gets pissy about an incidental name change of a project in an entirely different (if they were building their business model on name recognition of the product they were working on, they should've trademarked it before investing all that money/time/etc).

Crapflooding sites that have nothing to do with the project and generating a shitstorm in a teapot- and alienating almost everyone who might be interested in their product or services with their juvenile wanking. Damn right they aren't going to sue- they don't have a leg to stand on.

Call them Goatse and Oralse (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784306)

Can't get them mixed up

Mozilla is losing mindshare (5, Insightful)

AirLace (86148) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784310)

I've always been a Mozilla advocate. Mozilla's support for Web standards, tied with its open development cycle, powered by the remarkable bugzilla system made it immediately appeal to me. The legendary competition with MSIE is also a significant factor.

But I've really lost faith in Mozilla since this Firebird naming issue came up. It's not that I feel some kind of cameraderie for the Firebird-db people, but out of my own selfishness. If Mozilla can appropriate the name of a prominent Open Source project's name, what's to stop it from doing so again? Perhaps my project is next on the chopping block? Backed with the lawyers of AOL, I have started to fear that the Mozilla project could come to threaten my Open Source project. Perhaps they'll chose to rename their IRC client next?

When users apt-get install firebird, should they get the browser or the database? The only thing the "Firebird" name change is going to achieve is the dangerous precedent for an environment which encourages the free-for-all name grab; I know Mozilla advocates have stuck to their guns in the past on important issues, but they really need to give up the "Firebird" name. Please direct your guns towards the people who break Web standards and perpetuate broken software, not fellow Open Source projects, especially not for something as trivial as a stupid name. Life's just too short.

Stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784313)

The person who submitted this to slashdot AND anyone else bitching about the DB company not liking another company using their name. SORRY, ITS REALLY NOT THAT HARD TO FUCKING CHOOSE A NAME THAT ISN'T THE SAME AS ANOTHER PRODUCT IN THE EXACT SAME INDUSTRY. FUCKING RETARDS 360 DEGREES!

A suggestion for mozilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784317)

Combine the name in contention with the name of one of the all time great bandits..

D.B. Firebird

That way there can be no confusion with the database, which could be plain old Firebird.

.. no? Okay, I've got nothing.

Whats wrong with the new name? (1)

m4g02 (541882) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784320)

I visited the FirebirdSQL site and read all the information about the project there, and they always call the proyect "FirebirdSQL": The website logo, the sections, everywhere!.

i dont what does FirebirdSQL users think, but i wont get confused with "FirebirdSQL" and "Firebird", Why should we start a fight between two open source projects?

To those making the point about the Pontiac F-bird (1)

flynt (248848) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784326)

Would GM put up with Ford naming a new truck a Firebird?

"It's a truck, not a car", Ford could say.

To most everyone out there, a database and a browser aren't that much different, they are both just "computer programs." While a mechanic could probably say a car and truck are vastly different doesn't mean that's how everyone sees it.

Re:To those making the point about the Pontiac F-b (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784393)

Consider you wrote some business app for linux and are trying to sell it as a "Firebird based inventory management system".

Oh its a web based system? Or it uses firebird-db on the back end?

This is the problem that those that CmdrTaco dismisses as "asshole users" have with this name change.

Re:To those making the point about the Pontiac F-b (1)

Xerithane (13482) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784398)

To most everyone out there, a database and a browser aren't that much different, they are both just "computer programs." While a mechanic could probably say a car and truck are vastly different doesn't mean that's how everyone sees it.

The average user knows what a web browser is. The average user doesn't know what a database is. If they do know what a databse is, they will know what Access is. Nobody is going to confuse a web browser and a database. If they do, they shouldn't use a computer, or drive a car, only run in the Special Olympics.

Now (2, Insightful)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784330)

I know we all hate trademark disputes, and obviously, this isn't one.... but the principle is the same.
It's this kind of thing that the concept of trademark was DESIGNED to deal with, exacty: 2 things in the same field with the same name.

Oh, but a browser isn't a database tool? Trademark law recognizes software as a class unto itself.

Just like if someone named their dump truck "firebird". Pontiac could have a fit... it's still a vehicle, even if the use case & market is different.

So... as a community, how do we solve the issue?

Which is more similar? (5, Funny)

cperciva (102828) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784332)

Which pair is more similar, a web browser and a database, or a web browser and a BIOS?

It seems to me that this name change had nothing to do with trademark law or avoiding confusion, and everything to do with who has the most lawyers.

Personally, I think that the Firebird database should be renamed the Mozilla database... because, hey, Mozilla's own lawyers (ok, AOL's lawyers, presumably) have obviously decided that nobody will ever be confused between a web browser and a database.

Yay? (5, Interesting)

sevensharpnine (231974) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784350)

And what type of editorializing would we have if some no-name database project stole the name of an established browser? Just because you like the phoenix/firebird project doesn't automatically make them right.

If they want to maintain clarity, all of the established firebird developers now have the wonderful repsonsibility of qualifying their projects as firebird-db or somesuch nonsense because the phoenix team picked a name for their software that was already taken.

I can't understand if this naming issue is just some publicity stunt or if the moz developers are really this oblivious to the inconvenience they're causing. I would expect this sort of insane behavior from a pair of firms with an over-imaginative PR departments trying to brand themselves. But watching this shit come from open-source developers? Depressing.

Maybe (1)

saqmaster (522261) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784352)

Maybe I should form a small ISP called AOL (assholes online) and see if I can gain more business in the same way as these guys. ... either that or get ripped apart in court.

Either way, quite amusing.

nb: i don't care.

Why don't they cooperate? (1)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784362)

Why not *merge* the two projects?!

We could then keep track of which nightly dumps your prefs, which won't display PNG images, which can't export your bookmarks, which has a memory leak, which crashes whenever you move your mouse, which won't display Google, which won't let you post to K5, and which one has dupe-blocking and auto spell-checking for Slashdot.

I think we could have something here, especially with the last feature...

Firebird name recognition (2, Insightful)

djg0005 (465294) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784364)

I found out about this name change earlier this morning as I was looking to change my Phoenix theme. I found that they have made the switch at the main theme site for Pho ... er ... Firebird here [texturizer.net]. When performing a search on the new name on Google, I found nothing about the Mozilla based browser, but I did find sites about a database I had never heard of before and my first car (1983 pontiac firebird). The results can be found here [google.com] . Further investigation led me to the Mozilla homepage where the announcement is posted here [mozilla.org]. It seems that Phoenix Technologies (A BIOS manufacturer) has an embedded browser for some digital systems. Let's hope they don't have to change the name once again due to a few angry users who may become confused when they attempt to open their browser and a database opens instead.

dan

Ring of Firebird (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5784367)

Here's a logo for the FirebirdSQL crybabies.

Firebird [case150.com]

WTF? (1)

Royster (16042) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784371)

AOL caves to the people who own the trademark on Godzilla, but they are willing to step all over a project that uses the exact same name in the same industry?

They really *are* evil.

Firebird... (1)

idfrsr (560314) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784375)

its a lousy name for a car, let alone a web-browser or database....

In order to solve this I suggest Mozilla rename Phoenix to a more contemporary equivalent:
Honda Civic Hatchback with Go-Faster Stripes with Loud Muffler and Extra Cheese
as a viable solution

Why fight so hard to keep the name? (4, Insightful)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 10 years ago | (#5784381)

Since calling it Firebird is a recent change, why not just pick another name if it's becoming such a big deal? Any particular reason to stick with the name Firebird for Mozilla other than the fact it's already been publicized? If they're getting so much heat from it, I think they should just pick another name right now and end this.
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