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Run Your Car on Grease

michael posted about 11 years ago | from the obligatory-earth-day-post dept.

Science 362

i22y writes "With Greasel instead of Diesel in your tank, you can pull up to Jack-In-The-Box and fill up both your stomach and your gas tank. Run your car on old fryer grease and vegetable oil! Obligatory pictures and FAQ."

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first (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785426)

first

F1rst Repyl (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785435)

Problems regarding accounts or comment posting should be sent to CowboyNeal.

*BSD is dying (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785427)

It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Re:*BSD is dying (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785501)

I say that there are 1 users of first post, and it's certainly NOT YOU!

YOU FAIL IT!

aye (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785428)

Run your car on FIRST POSTS!

Re:aye (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785454)

sorry boss

the us sucks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785431)

and i rule. FP!

FUCK YOU AND DIE, FAILURE! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785460)

Not... Even... Close!

Hey! (5, Funny)

mdvolm (68424) | about 11 years ago | (#5785436)

... but that was my retirement grease!

Re:Hey! (5, Funny)

BabyDave (575083) | about 11 years ago | (#5785473)

My favourite bit from that one has to be

Homer: Marge, if you don't mind, I'm a little busy right now achieving financial independence.
Marge: With cans of grease?
Homer: [sarcastically] No! Through savings and wise investment. Of course with grease.

Slip slidin' away (2, Funny)

Mundocani (99058) | about 11 years ago | (#5785442)

Slip slidin' away
Slip slidin' away
You know the nearer your destination
The more you're slip slidin' away

or (4, Interesting)

IIRCAFAIKIANAL (572786) | about 11 years ago | (#5785445)

you could turn turkey guts and plastics into oil and oil products! [discover.com]

Does this look legit? I am always wary of this kind of stuff, but there's no obvious reasons to doubt it - it isn't making fantastic claims...

Re:or (3, Informative)

justinland (602871) | about 11 years ago | (#5785596)

Yes, it's legit, bio-diesel even predates petroleum by about 15 years. It is still used in farm machinery, and here in Northern California, it's slowly becoming a fad, I'm seeing lots of bio-mercedes and bio run vw passats. It burns on par with petroleum based diesel, it's not any better for the environment, but it's great for the agri-industry and bad for the oil industry.

Re:or (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785654)

Hey, justinland, did you Read His Fucking Link? It's about a company (Changing World Technologies) that depolymerizes various biological (and other) waste products and turns them into useful substances such as oil.

Re:or (5, Informative)

kfx (603703) | about 11 years ago | (#5785711)

It is in fact real and scientifically sound (tried submitting it earlier but got rejected...); widespread deployment of these plants could eliminate the need for landfills, while also making oil dirt cheap. As an added bonus, they can refine previously unusable types of petroleum, and break down inorganic substances into reusable raw minerals as well. Understandably, Japan for one is VERY interested in this... Philadelphia is looking at deploying these plants as well as soon as they see how viable it is on a larger scale.

Re:or (4, Informative)

Patoski (121455) | about 11 years ago | (#5785796)

I can assure you that it is legit. Apparently they're doing a nationwide rolling tour as they stopped by the town I'm currently living in. To get fuel for the next stop they dropped by the local Chinese take-out place and relieved them of some of their waste grease. They pulled out of town leaving an exhaust trail that smelled like shrimp fried rice. :-)

Very cool...

ick! greasel? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785446)

i would think itd be hard to get a greasel into the tank... especially after they started spitting poison at you.

sorry, id play new video games if i had a decent copmuter.

It's already been done (3, Interesting)

chrisseaton (573490) | about 11 years ago | (#5785452)

Haven't they been doing this in Wales or Ireland or something a while ago? I remember a BBC radio news item about police stopping and checking people's cars (it's illegal, you see).

Re:It's already been done (1)

jerrytcow (66962) | about 11 years ago | (#5785498)

I don't think they have to stop the cars to check. They should be able to tell by driving behind them. Apparently a nice side effect is that the exhaust smells like french fries (or some other fast food - I can't remember exactly what).

Re:It's already been done (2, Funny)

carlos_benj (140796) | about 11 years ago | (#5785801)

They should be able to tell by driving behind them. Apparently a nice side effect is that the exhaust smells like french fries (or some other fast food - I can't remember exactly what).

Dang! I hate being behind those guys. I get hungry, fat and acne just from being in a traffic jam during rush hour....

Re:It's already been done (4, Informative)

chrisseaton (573490) | about 11 years ago | (#5785539)

Here y'all go, it's already been done in Wales [bbc.co.uk] (2002) (it wasn't illegal) and Tokyo [bbc.co.uk] (1998).

Re:It's already been done (3, Interesting)

afidel (530433) | about 11 years ago | (#5785650)

Actually there was a case where a gentleman in the UK was cited for tax evasion for using homebrew biodiesel because his fuel was not taxed and hence he was not doing his part to maintain the roads.

Re:It's already been done (5, Informative)

Hieronymus Howard (215725) | about 11 years ago | (#5785560)

It's not illegal in the UK if you pay tax on the biodiesel. The problem (as far as the government was concerned) is that people were running their cars on fish'n'chip oil without paying any fuel tax.

Asda (Walmart) in the UK now run their fleet of delivery lorries on recycled donut frying oil.

HH
--

Re:It's already been done (1)

MarcoAtWork (28889) | about 11 years ago | (#5785667)

yeah, but the thing I don't understand is how can they formulate a tax law in such generic terms that automagically anything you run your car on becomes 'fuel' and has to be taxed.

What is going to stop the UK government from, for example, adding another tax to electricity if it's used to recharge a car's batteries? and what about fuel cells?

If I lived in the UK I'd be kind of pissed...

Re:It's already been done (1)

Nexus Seven (112882) | about 11 years ago | (#5785776)

Its roughly determined by the CO2 output per unit of fuel.

Electricity has zero CO2 output (at the point of use), so isn't taxed (at least not directly).
LPG has very low CO2 output per unit, so is taxed at a lower rate than gasoline.
Gasoline/Diesel/Grease all produce a similar amount of CO2, so they all receive a similar tax weighting.

I don't live in the UK anymore, so things could have changed, of course.

Re:It's already been done (1)

r00zky (622648) | about 11 years ago | (#5785688)

They're starting to do this too in Catalonia.
Biodiesel here costs the same as normal diesel (even if it's more expensive to produce iirc) but there are only very few selling points.

Re:It's already been done (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | about 11 years ago | (#5785794)

"The problem (as far as the government was concerned) is that people were running their cars on fish'n'chip oil without paying any fuel tax."

OK, so let me get this straight: The government is unhappy that you're not paying a tax on more environment-fuel, a tax that was supposed to convince you to use more environment-friendly alternatives to begin with.

You know there's too much bureaucracy when...

Re:It's already been done (2, Interesting)

throwaway18 (521472) | about 11 years ago | (#5785619)

There is a BBC news article about Welsh Police impounding cars because the owners used cooking oil as fuel without paying fuel tax here [bbc.co.uk] .

Re:It's already been done (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785631)

IANAL but, I believe it is not illegal to do this in the US.


Temkin

Doesn't seem too amazing to me... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785455)

The original car engines could run on just about anything - until the big diesel and gasoline companies bought the patent for the engine, and converted it to run on only what it does today.

Seems to me like this is just a step back towards the original engines which could run on just about anything.

Re:Doesn't seem too amazing to me... (2, Interesting)

mrjive (169376) | about 11 years ago | (#5785608)

From the FAQ [greasel.com] :

Did Greasel discover that diesel engines will run on cooking oil?
No. The first diesel engines (invented by Rudolf Diesel in the late 1800's) were actually designed to run on plant oils. Immediately after Rudolf's untimely demise, his colleagues (who were just then tapping the resources of petro-based fuel sources) swept his veggie ideas under the rug and actually converted his design to run on petro-based 'diesel' fuel (which they were nice enough to name after him).


(Emphasis mine)

Re:Doesn't seem too amazing to me... (1)

alienw (585907) | about 11 years ago | (#5785611)

Bullshit conspiracy theory. Standard internal combustion engines can not possibly burn anything other than gasoline or maybe alcohol. There were some experimental fuels for them, but you don't get nearly the same power density and they aren't as easy to get. Diesel engines can run on many things, but diesel fuel is pretty much a byproduct of gasoline production, so it was cheap and convenient.

Diesel Swaps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785456)

Apparently, most modern diesel engines can burn this stuff without alteration...

Anyone know of a good V6 Diesel out there that would fit in an S10 Blazer? I'd love to plant an acre or two of weed(s) to grind up and brew BioD with...

Re:Diesel Swaps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785587)

Don't know any V6's for you.

Try one of the diesel 305/307's from the 82-87ish Caprice, Cutlass, Delta 88, etc.

There are swap kits for the 305/350's for S-10 pickups and Blazers.

But you were probably joking anyway.

Re:Diesel Swaps (1)

Blaine Hilton (626259) | about 11 years ago | (#5785715)

Really the only problem, and its not really is a problem is the filters need to be clean often, but only because the internals are being cleaned so well by the biodiesel.

Re:Diesel Swaps (1)

Smidge204 (605297) | about 11 years ago | (#5785781)

Another problem is that biodiesel "fogs" up if it's not kept warm. If you live in a place that sees ambient temperatures below 50deg or so you're going to have problems.

Some people get around this by diluting the BioD with regular Diesel. Others run on two tanks... one for regular diesel to start, and another for BioD that is warmed up by the engine's waste heat.
=Smidge=

A few years late on the news front (5, Insightful)

spiffy_guy (30225) | about 11 years ago | (#5785457)

People have been making "Biodesiel" for years now. This is nothing new. A little lye and some vegetable oil is all it takes.

What is interesting is that it is still cheaper to buy real desiel than vegetable oil. Where biodesiel has an advantage is in recycling used vegetable oil that is no longer food quality but is with a little work good enough to burn in your car/airplane. Unfortunatly there is not enough of this to make a real dent in the American desiel usage.

A few years late == TYPICAL SLASHDOT (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785536)

What the hell do you expect from a bunch of wanker fanboys? Look at the faggots that run the site. I mean, really. BUT DOES IT RUN LINUX???

Re:A few years late on the news front (5, Interesting)

atomicdragon (619181) | about 11 years ago | (#5785639)

I worked for a small company performing research into alterations to diesel engines. One of the things we played with was vegetable oil and biodiesel. Biodiesel is a great fuel since it produces no net carbon dioxide (all of the carbon in it was pulled from the air by the plants) and it lacks the sulfur found in normal diesel.

You can also run an engine on straight vegetable oil, which is different from biodiesel. The only problem is that the oil is really thick, so you have to start and stop the engine with normal fuel to heat it up, then switch to the vegetable oil after a minute or two. I've heard of products that will do this automatically for vehicles, but we just switched fuels manually. Although it doesn't burn to well, and the fuel economy is not a good as diesel (as in volume of fuel/power) but the pollution is not that bad. There is a slight increase in the particulates (smoke) produced, but otherwise its comparable to normal diesel without the sulfur. Also (this being appreciated more when you're standing around the engine all day) the smell of fries is a decent change from normal exhaust.

Haven't read article == 5 insightful? (2, Informative)

XNormal (8617) | about 11 years ago | (#5785763)

This is not Biodiesel. This engine mod runs on straight vegetable oil without any processing other than filtering. Grease is usually too viscous to be used directly but this system preheats it to make it flow better.

Simpson's (2, Funny)

Mr.Happy3050 (573052) | about 11 years ago | (#5785462)

I'm sorry, I can't help but think of this.
Bart: We're going to be rich through grease?
Homer: No, I'm going to earn money by savings and wise investments... of course through grease.

Dupe (1)

Oriumpor (446718) | about 11 years ago | (#5785465)

Hey first post about the dupe...

Greasecar.com .... yeah... never mind it's been up for freakin ever, I read about it here ages ago.... I've got a post somewhere saying something like the following:

It's impractical because grease is already recycled, you have to A) own a deep fat fryer, or B) know someone who does. (and they'll pay you to take it away)

wow (0)

Catcher80 (639611) | about 11 years ago | (#5785466)

I wonder how much diesel this could save the world.. grease is everywhere, more naturally than oil it seems.

Would you have to buy a new kind of motor or filter or something? How much could this mess up your engine?

Site says UNDER HEAVY CONSTRUCTION. I bet it goes down after being on /. :D

nothing new here (1)

XenoLlama (591472) | about 11 years ago | (#5785468)

Theres nothing new/ outstanding going on with it. There are many people doing this and various similar things with VW diesel engines of all ages.

Cool stuff for sure tho!

Simpsons referance.. (3, Funny)

bombkit (621668) | about 11 years ago | (#5785484)

(directed at a Krusty Burger employee)
The grease on his forhead alone is worth a bounty!

Cost of Veggie Oil (4, Insightful)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | about 11 years ago | (#5785489)

I don't really seeing this idea getting to be uber-big. First off, there are only soooo many fast food joints to raid. It's going to become like the waste hops from beer, marketed trash with a competitive street price.

If a tone of people start doing this they are going to find the veggie oil costs a HELL of a lot more than diesel. (Anyone ever price out biodiesel?)

Re:Cost of Veggie Oil (2, Informative)

ikeleib (125180) | about 11 years ago | (#5785657)

Kitchen grease already has a street value. It's called yellow grease and is used for making animal feeds. Many restaraunts have a contract with a yellow grease company. They often have locks on their grease traps to make sure that spurious pickups don't occur. There is, in fact, yellow grease theft and smuggling.

See:
http://archive.salon.com/business/feature/ 2000/11/ 06/grease_wars/index.html

Re:Cost of Veggie Oil (5, Informative)

Exocet (3998) | about 11 years ago | (#5785683)

I'm on the board of directors for the GoBiodiesel Cooperative in Portland, Oregon.

We have priced out what it costs to produce biodiesel (as a cooperative). It costs us approximately $1/gallon in pure supplies (plus electricity) to produce biodiesel. We're just starting (first test batch last weekend!) but are well aware of the costs. We're using methanol right now but would like to switch to the more expensive but more enviro-friendly ethanol. We'll see what happens on that front. Oh, and once we're done producing test batches with lye we will be switching over to ...sodium methoxide (???). I can't recall what it will be, to be honest.

We will need to recoup the costs of the processor, the building it's located in, etc. Plus, we'd like to pay volunteers a small amount for their time.

We plan on selling biodiesel for approximately USD$1.25-$1.50.

If you're interested, visit the GoBiodiesel Cooperative [gobiodiesel.org] web site and learn more about what we're doing.

Mr. Fusion? (2, Funny)

brianjcain (622084) | about 11 years ago | (#5785500)

Doc: I need fuel. Go ahead, quick, get in the car.

Marty: No no no, Doc, I just got here, okay, Jennifer's here, we're gonna take the new truck for a spin.

Doc: Well, bring her along. This concerns her too.

Marty: Wait a minute, Doc. What are you talking about? What happens to us in the future? What, do we become assholes or something?

Doc: No no no no no, Marty, both you and Jennifer turn out fine. It's your kids, Marty, something has got to be done about your kids.

Marty: Hey, Doc, we better back up, we don't have enough roads to get up to 88.

Doc: Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads.

Imagine the possibilities (5, Funny)

Nethergoat (597008) | about 11 years ago | (#5785503)

And in other news today, McDonalds will be shipping its meat in special "pressmobiles" which will use the shipped product as its fuel - scientists predict heart disease in the U.S. will fall by 25% as a side effect of this new transportation method.

UVic (4, Informative)

B3ryllium (571199) | about 11 years ago | (#5785509)

University of Victoria, in BC Canada, already had a Veggie Van fully operational. I think the diesel engine itself is unmodified, but they had a special filtering process so that they could use leftover McDonald's vegetable oil ...

Asda (Walmart) doing this in the UK (1, Redundant)

Hieronymus Howard (215725) | about 11 years ago | (#5785532)

Asda, the UK subsidiary of Walmart, is running it's fleet of lorries on biodiesel produced from waste oil from frying donuts. They produce between 60 to 90 million litres of waste frying oil every year, which is now providing them with cheap fuel.

See this web page [tve.org] for more information.

HH

Soy Diesel (0)

krambeck (106335) | about 11 years ago | (#5785538)

I just noticed this this weekend, but some gas stations (at least on in the backwoods of Missouri) are starting to carry Soy Diesel as well. These fuels are alot nicer to the enviroment, and are completely renewable. The only question is when is somone going to step up and make the process of making BioDiesel more reasonable from a cost basis? Really, a hydrogen car would be cool and all, but I really dont see that happening any time in the near future, so why couldnt the government put some of that money into making friendlier options to the fuels that we currently use?

And plus, I want my beasty diesel to smell like french fries! :)

Run your car on Jizzum (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785543)

Get a fill-up from Michael's rectum.

Please explain: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785567)

They have this car and can do about anything with it... install a big-ass engine, lower it, install earth-shattering stereo equipment... and all they come up with is this stupid greasel stuff?

Man... I bet the girls really got the hots for greasel drivers...

I used to work at a small restaraunt (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785584)

We had one of those grease traps out back. A company charged them X amount to take away the grease every week. The funny thing was they started complaining that someone was stealing the grease. This got me to thinking, Why are we paying for them to take this away if it is a valuable product? I can't Imagine a garbageman complaining that someone has been stealing your trash and they don't get to pick up as much anymore.

From the FAQ... (1)

mrklin (608689) | about 11 years ago | (#5785598)

http://www.greasel.com/html/body_faq_s.html

(In Beavis or Butthead's voice)


"Hmm, ha, ha, he said, injector coking."

"Hmm, yeah, coking is cool."

Left Out (1)

slasher999 (513533) | about 11 years ago | (#5785607)

But we in the eastern US haven't had a Jack in the Box here in almost 2 decades! All because of a little bad meat or something. Bah.

Huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785609)

I bet in quantity, Crisco is quite a bit more expensive in diesel.

Plus, the engine needs regular diesel anyway.

Why not engineer a fuel just as "useful," like pig testicles?

Still no cure for cancer.

Re:Huh (1)

ansonyumo (210802) | about 11 years ago | (#5785757)

This occurred to me as well. Corn oil goes for a whopping $7.50 a gallon. Granted, edible oil would probably be of substantially higher quality that what you put in your gas tank.

To your claim that it needs diesel as well, there are engines that run on biodiesel alone. Greasel's FAQ states that diesel has to be used for warmup and shutdown. Perhaps more expensive conversions have solved this with electric fuel heaters and pumps.

-brian

http://www.matrix4.net with regards to pollution. (-1, Offtopic)

amanda19 (667292) | about 11 years ago | (#5785613)

Why not run your car on hydrogen? It's cleaner and more widley available.

Why not make a reality generator and make living things? Why not do this and that? Why have a soul? Get real and know the truth on www.matrix4.net

Nothing New (1)

ansonyumo (210802) | about 11 years ago | (#5785621)

I remember seeing a story on Discovery back in '92 or so about a guy in Maine running his VW Rabbit off of fry grease. Aren't they calling it biodiesel these days? A friend was looking into starting a company that collects grease from restaurants and purifies it to create biodiesel, but found that the grease collection biz is pretty cutthroat. It's not as easy to get your hands on spent fry grease as you might think!

-brian

Re:Nothing New (1)

atomicdragon (619181) | about 11 years ago | (#5785767)

Biodiesel is not exactly the same as cooking oil. You add sodium methoxide (sodium hydroxide and methanol mixed) to break the triglycerides in oil into glycerin (which is removed) and methyl esters which are simpler chains than the three pronged (think E shaped) triglycerides.

Traffics gotta stink (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785623)

And I mean that literally. Can you imagine being stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic behind some guy who just topped off his tank at Jack-in-the-Box. Or, how about the poor souls who live next to some of the highways that are forever like parking lots. I think I'd rather have the gas exhaust/.

To all those saying this has been done before (5, Informative)

Crasoum (618885) | about 11 years ago | (#5785625)

Read the Faqs, one of the first questions says..


Did Greasel discover that diesel engines will run on cooking oil?

No. The first diesel engines (invented by Rudolf Diesel in the late 1800's) were actually designed to run on plant oils. Immediately after Rudolf's untimely demise, his colleagues (who were just then tapping the resources of petro-based fuel sources) swept his veggie ideas under the rug and actually converted his design to run on petro-based 'diesel' fuel (which they were nice enough to name after him).

Blarg

PS the puns on the greasel site are pretty lame...

Re:To all those saying this has been done before (0, Offtopic)

ansonyumo (210802) | about 11 years ago | (#5785695)

I think the general gripe is that /. is posting old news. Must be a slow day.

This isn't new (2, Informative)

maddskillz (207500) | about 11 years ago | (#5785635)

This has been done before [veggievan.org] , but it's cool that other are trying it too.
There are some great links to Biodiesel sites too. It's nice to see some people trying to take some baby steps, towards environmentally friendly vehicles, instead of just trying to go straight to the top, as is the case with hydrogen powered vehicles, which are great, but too expensive

This is OLD news dude (1, Informative)

madmarcel (610409) | about 11 years ago | (#5785645)

<<sigh>> I've posted comments about this subject before...so I'll just repeat myself..AGAIN:

<long rant>

1) This has been talked about before. This is VERY old news. Remember the article about the motorcycle that ran on 'bio-diesel' a while ago?
(E-cycle or something or other...they must've had a LOT of marketing weasels ;^)

2) 'Greasel'? Hmm...they must have a marketing weasel. Commonly known as 'bio-diesel'. There are a variety of oils that can be used as bio-diesel, some of which ARE liquid at 'normal' temperatures.

3) There was a student on/from some pacific island, who figured out that you could run diesel cars on coconut oil. The difference was that with the local ambient temperatures he didn't have to worry about heating and keeping the coconut oil fluid. (and he was never heard from again...)

4) There was a guy in Europe about 10 years ago who also had cars running on bio-diesel..I can't remember what kind of vegetable oil he used, I think he extracted it from some weed/plant. There was talk of growing the weed/plant (koolzaad?) commercially...but he was never heard of again.
Happens to all these geezers who come up with the idea of running cars on bio-diesel - funny that...
(No conspiracy here, sorry, probably just lack of funding, lack of commercial interest.)

5) I glanced over the article, but eh...wouldn't you need to filter the 'greasel'? BTW most grease from deep-fries can be recycled. There are companies here that do it. (here not being US :)

6) The one thing that I did NOT see mentioned on that website (after a quick glance at the FAQ):

CARS THAT RUN ON biodiesel/greasel STINK!
Well, so I heard anyway...I've read articles that describe the smell from the emmissions somewhat similar to the smell of fried donuts.

Cleaner emmissions? yes please, but I'd say you'd
get pretty fed up with the smell after a while.
(Imagine being stuck in a traffic jam behind a car that runs on bio-diesel ;P)

Having said all that, bio-diesel is probably the most suitable replacement for petrol in my opinion, as it requires little or no change to the existing petrol-delivery infrastructure all around the world. Nobody will get fired, no expensive changes to petrol-stations...perfect. Although I'm pretty sure you could cook up some homebrew bio-diesel in your backyard and put the petrol-companies out of business ;)

</rant>

Wheh...time to go and put my fingers in some cold water ;^)

Re:This is OLD news dude (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785799)

re: the coconut oil

The islanders on Bougainville kicked the owners of several mines out, and have re-taken over their island, and don't allow the PNG(I think) government, or many other people, access to their island.

The remaining vehicles on the island have been converted to run on coconut oil and un well.

also, I've been nearby a vehicle that ran on recycled vegetable oil. It had a very light french fry smell to it, that was nothing like a stink; it did make me hungry however =)

bio-diesel fuels with methanol added to make them palatable to an unmodified diesel engine nay smell different though

human wastes ? (1)

guest12 (248543) | about 11 years ago | (#5785655)

Not literally, like refuelling=going to the john, but for processed human wastes. bio methane is commonly used for fuel in rural areas. maybe the digesters would be too large and heavy to be mobile.

Old news... (1)

nomel (244635) | about 11 years ago | (#5785663)

I remember seeing something like this around 7 years ago on that old TV show "Beyond 2000". Well, being on that show...I guess it was accurate.

I don't think he used a diesel engine though...can't recall.

Implications (2, Interesting)

smartperson (657811) | about 11 years ago | (#5785666)

Some people may not see the same value in this, but these folks are providing a standardized kit to allow their cars to run on a renewable resource. This needs no further elaboration.

The issue about engine temperature is disheartening, perhaps an inexpensive additive can be developed to thin the vegetable oil to an appropriate viscosity instead of relying on temperature?

Brings new meaning to (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785685)

"Eat And Get Gas"

Saved! (1)

nomel (244635) | about 11 years ago | (#5785689)

"3/27/2003 - In order to cut down on page loading times, we are slowly converting all General Tech pics that were previously posted right on the page to text links; meaning, you have to click the labeled link to see the pic."


Doing that might have saved their ass's.

cars around here brag about it (1)

AssFace (118098) | about 11 years ago | (#5785701)

Sometimes in my commute I see a VW Beetle that has a sign up touting what percent desiel that it is running.
Apparently the less traditional desiel, the cheaper - but the performance goes way down. "Car Talk" on NPR had a caller asking all about it during one show in the past few months.

Smog (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#5785727)

I always cough when I smell car exhaust fumes. I guess now I'll just get hungry.

Heart and Car (2, Funny)

jpetts (208163) | about 11 years ago | (#5785730)

I notice that they use a triple bypass valve, so now when you've had your triple bypass operation for your heart, because of all the burgers you've been chowing down, you can get a triple bypass for the car, so it matches...

Biodiesel (0)

mgbaron (457884) | about 11 years ago | (#5785736)

This is all very similar to the biodiesel posts a while back. One interesting point, is that this fuel is entirely possible to acquire this fuel independently but, as claimed on Biodiesel.org, running your car on pure vegetable oil is illegal due to regulation from the EPA.

French Fries (0)

mgbaron (457884) | about 11 years ago | (#5785778)

I've heard these things smell like french fries from behind. Imagine waiting in traffic... I'd be so hungry.

How long before McDonalds takes advantage of this? (1)

willll (635932) | about 11 years ago | (#5785797)

Did you know every time you buy diesel fuel for your car you are supporting terrorist organizations like al-Qaeda with oil money? A new scientific developement allows you to use grease instead of diesel to power your car. You may have already seen this at low-grade food establishments such as Jack-in-the-Box. But why settle for low-grade grease? Fuel your car direct from the grease master: McDonalds!
McDonalds: Smiles starting at just $.50 per gallon.
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