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428 comments

Not for me. (-1)

varak_mathews (592911) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798845)

Try to reply to other people's comments instead of starting new threads.

fp~!11@!@ (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5798854)

f0000okk j0o000r lkaj lkj s

Wha? (-1, Troll)

ike6116 (602143) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798856)

The GPL doesnt secretly steal your children

It would be nice if they would simplify them (3, Funny)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798859)

to something like this:

GPL: "Do what you want with it, but give credit where credit is due"

MS: "You have no rights. All your base belong to us."

Re:It would be nice if they would simplify them (0)

terrox (555131) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798879)

lol. yes that would save gigs of wasted EULA text file space too.

Re:It would be nice if they would simplify them (4, Informative)

wfberg (24378) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798897)


GPL: "Do what you want with it, but give credit where credit is due"

MS: "You have no rights. All your base belong to us."

You're confusing GPL for the BSD license. The GPL is "1) Do what you want with it, 2) as long as derivative works are GPL as well (see 1)".

Re:It would be nice if they would simplify them (2, Insightful)

News for nerds (448130) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798904)

>GPL: "Do what you want with it, but give
>credit where credit is due"

It's not GPL, but good old (not current) BSD license.

News for nerds? (5, Funny)

watzinaneihm (627119) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798864)

"Voila! Apples are different from Oranges" said American Agricultural Research magazine today.

Re:News for nerds? (1, Funny)

MrP- (45616) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798907)

Not really [inno-vet.com]

Re:News for nerds? (3, Insightful)

Stuart Gibson (544632) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799016)

I don't think the point of posting this to /. was to show that mainstream outlets are running pieces like this for consumption of the peons, indicating that free/oss is getting real coverage, not to show us that there are differences.

Goblin

Re:News for nerds? (1, Offtopic)

Stuart Gibson (544632) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799040)

I meant I THINK the point...

Kinda got lost in the middle of a sentence there.

Goblin

Secrets of UNIX's Success Discovered! (-1, Offtopic)

Khakionion (544166) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798868)

HOUSTON, TX - Researchers at the University of Houston-Downtown Computer Science department have been, for the past few months, studying the Necronomicon, or Book of the Dead. They claim to have found the incantation used to create the enthusiastic following that the popular UNIX operating systems have enjoyed over the past years.

"We noticed that UNIX was really shoddy, but these long-haired, unshaven geeks were just foaming at the mouth over how great it was, so we knew something had to be up," says the professor who started the project in February.

According to their analysis of the incantation, UNIX OSes, regardless of their quality or features, are always considered leaps and bounds above any Microsoft OS by most CS majors and people who have been fired from big, MS-friendly companies.

"First, we thought they were just spiteful or jealous," says a graduate assistant. "But this spell is airtight. Just last week, we were able to convince some freshmen that Solaris looks better than Windows XP's 'Luna' interface."

Implications may be limited, as the spell, once invoked, creates such a stubborn mindset in the victims, termed "UNIX junkies," that they will never concede to Microsoft's ability to develop any decent software, regardless of its features or stability.

After being asked how the researchers managed to use UNIX in their project without falling victim to the spell, the head professor leaned back, and replied: "Simple. We just constantly used Windows on a computer next to it. Every time we started getting a 'warm and fuzzy' feeling on the *NIX box, we just did a comparison. After that, we're just like 'What the hell were we thinking? I hate UNIX!'"

Ash Campbell, who is well versed in the Necronomicon, was unavailable for comment.

Looks better than Luna? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5799148)

Looks? Looks? Who the fuck cares what it looks like? Go play with the trucks kid, the grownups are working.

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25043

mirror (5, Informative)

oever (233119) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798874)

Here [fenk.wau.nl] 's a mirror of the pdf file.

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28543

For the Click Lazy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5798878)

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Study puts paid to common myth about GPL
By Sam Varghese
April 24 2003

A study of the end user license agreement (EULA) for Microsoft Windows XP and the GNU General Public License (GPL), the most common licence under which Free/Open Source Software is released, has put paid to the common myth that GPL software cannot be included in proprietary software without the entire mix having to necessarily be released under the GPL.

The study also found that the majority of the EULA appears to protect Microsoft while a major portion of the GPL is geared towards apportioning rights to users.

The Microsoft EULA "appears to limit choices, options and actions" taken by users of software covered by that licence. The GPL appears to safeguard the rights of the original developers in order to ensure continued accessibility of the source code for the software, the study found.

The study was carried out by the Melbourne-based firm Cybersource, and authored by its CEO, Con Zymaris.

The Microsoft Windows XP Professional End User License Agreement was selected as representative of the current-generation licence provided by Microsoft for business-grade systems.

The study pointed out that if a developer wanted to create free or open source software which he or she wanted to use in proprietary software without that proprietary software itself coming under the GPL, they could use the Library GPL, which was specifically designed for this purpose.

"Under Linux, many of the libraries are released as LGPL software, which allows non-Open Source software, such as IBM's Sybase SQL Server, Oracle and Lotus Domino etc. to be compiled and linked to these programming libraries. This software then can remain as proprietary, non-Open Source software, even though it directly links to GPL software," the study pointed out, effectively killing the idea that the GPL has some kind of viral properties.

Zymaris said these two licences had been compared as they were the major ones which decision-makers confronted when they were choosing software for enterprises.

"As these two (Microsoft and the Free/Open Source Community) have now become the most prominent purveyors of platforms and software application technology in the computer industry worldwide, we feel it would be instructive for business and organisational users to have a plain-language analysis of these key components of the software they use," he wrote.

The study found that while 45 percent of the EULA was concerned with limiting users' rights, only 27 percent of the GPL concentrated on this aspect. Over half (51 percent) of the GPL focused on extending users' rights while only 15 percent of the EULA was concerned with this aspect. And while 40 percent of the EULA limited remedies, the corresponding figure for the GPL was 22 percent.

"I tried to be as complete and as even-handed in our analysis as possible. It really surprised me that so many people kept holding onto obviously misguided information about both licences, which is why we decided to review and publish these results. Also, since we are not lawyers, we thought we would try and map the contents of the licences into words and meanings that IT and management can understand," Zymaris said.

He said the release of the study had nothing to do with the fact that Microsoft plans a major product release in the US tomorrow AEST. "Actually, I wrote the core of this document six months ago, and have been reviewing it, discussing it with numerous members of the international IT community since then. I'm amazed that no one has done this kind of analysis beforehand. Licences and licensing are becoming the crucial difference between the Microsoft and the Free/Open Source Software camps, so I believe this kind of review, distilling the essence of each, is needed," Zymaris said.

Some features about software covered by the EULA:

* copying was prohibited
* could be used only on one computer with a maximum of 2 processors
* cannot be used as a webserver or fileserver
* required registration after 30 days
* could stop working if hardware changes were made
* updates could change the EULA if the company so wished
* could be transferred to another user only once
* the new user must agree to the license terms (no specification how this could be achieved)
* imposes limitations on reverse engineering
* gives Microsoft rights to collect information about the system and the its use
* gives Microsoft the right to supply this information to other organisations
* gives Microsoft the right to make changes to the computer without having to ask.
* warranty for the first 90 days
* fixes, updates or patches carry no warranty

Some features found in the GPL:

* freedom to copy, modify and redistribute the software
* precludes one party from preventing another from having these same freedoms
* provides coverage for rights of users to copy, modify and redistribute the software
* no warranty as there is no fee
* can be sold if the user so decides and services for such software can be charged for
* any patents must be licensed for everyone's use or not licensed at all
* modified software must carry no licence fees
* source code must be provided
* if there is a change in license, the general terms of the existing one will be maintained.

Zymaris said he had been helped by Leon Brooks, Conrad Parker, Jacinta Richardson, Richard Keech, Steve White and Tim O'Leary in carrying out the study.

This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/24/10507773 42086.html

Re:For the Click Lazy (3, Informative)

jvervloet (532924) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799032)

The study itself [cyber.com.au] seems to be unaccessable, but you can find a html version [google.com] in Google's [google.com] cache.

Somewhat Early Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5798880)


Junis and Katz found suffocated in large hole... more on this breaking story here [goatse.cx]

Windows XP Compared to RedHat BlueCurve (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5798881)

Well, it only reinforces what we already knew, but it might be a nice thing to show your endusers who don't want to fprot their tarballs constantly.

Bling Bling (1)

Scalli0n (631648) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798892)

Maybe Microsoft will pad it's sections protecting the users so that their percentage of "protecting users" goes up. Wouldn't that be interesting?

www.scallion.sp00fed.net

Ugh, forget this idiot. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5798909)

Just do a little searching on Sam Varghese and see what an idiot this supposed journalist is. His articles are little more than the whining of an ill-informed, angst-ridden gadget-geek.

His "article" on Mono, for instance. [smh.com.au]

wait... (-1, Redundant)

borgdows (599861) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798910)

...it's like comparing apples and oranges!

Re:wait... (2, Insightful)

jkrise (535370) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798933)

...more like comparing sweet apples to sour apples!

Re:wait... (0)

gigahurtz (313412) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799048)

Actually, it's more like comparing sweet apples to horse apples.

Re:wait... (1)

kimsh (203310) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798958)

In these Internet times, should it not be - it's like comparing Apple [apple.com] to Orange [orange.com]

Re:wait... (1)

eyeye (653962) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798964)

Yes its like comparing two different kinds of fruit, is there something wrong with that?

Re:wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5799052)

Like this [comcast.net] ?

Forbidden Uses (5, Interesting)

Shadow2097 (561710) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798911)

Ok, its one thing to have a EULA that tries to prevent piracy and the like. To be quite honest, I have no problems with MS or any other company using a EULA to try and enforce that.

But why would a EULA make a user agree to not use a particular product as a webserver or fileserver?? Before I turned to Linux, I had an old computer running Windows 98 acting as a fileserver. If I wanted to do that with XP Pro I'd be in violation of the EULA?

Technicaly, that means that anyone who enables file and printer sharing is violating the EULA! If MS is so against it, why do they build it into their products?!

-Shadow

Re:Forbidden Uses (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5798948)

If MS is so against it, why do they build it into their products?!

probably as protection from DMCA.

Re:Forbidden Uses (1)

xanadu-xtroot.com (450073) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799087)

If MS is so against it, why do they build it into their products?!

probably as protection from DMCA.


Please explain how building web services and file sharing services into an OS "out-of-the-box" is protecting them from some crazy "pirating" violation. I'm really interested in your logic behind this as it makes zero sense to me.

Re:Forbidden Uses (0, Offtopic)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799155)

Sense??? That's asking too much - around here, all you have to do is post something vague that mentions DMCA to get modded "Insightful."

Re:Forbidden Uses (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5799068)


If MS is so against it, why do they build it into their products?!



So they can then slap you with a license fee.

Re:Forbidden Uses (1)

conner_bw (120497) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799078)

Shareholderes rejoice!

It's all part of the "SUE THEM LATER" strategy.

Re:Forbidden Uses (3, Interesting)

Utopia (149375) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799103)

If I wanted to do that with XP Pro I'd be in violation of the EULA

XP home edition cannot be used as a webserver or fileserver.
You can use XP Pro for your webserving/file serving needs.

Home edition doesn't have IIS built into it. Only XP Pro does.
The comparison was between the XP home edition EULA and GPL.

Re:Forbidden Uses (1)

FeeDBaCK (42286) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799150)

Actually, the article states that they used XP Professional.

"comparing"?!?! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5798924)

What will they compare next?

How about Max OSX vs. a bicycle?

Or perhaps a puppy vs. lear jet?

The GPL is not an EULA - it's a distribution license. Maybe if the MS EULA dictated terms under which you can distribute WinXP, then you might be able to compare them.

I just have to ask - what's the point?

MOD Parent up (1)

moc.tfosorcimgllib (602636) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798952)

This is unfair in all respects.

Re:"comparing"?!?! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5798955)

What will they compare next? How about Max OSX vs. a bicycle?

"A computer professional needs Mac OSX like a fish needs a bicycle." Howzatt?

Re:"comparing"?!?! (2, Informative)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799026)

Maybe if the MS EULA dictated terms under which you can distribute WinXP

It does:
One transfer of ownership allowed, no copying.

Next question?

Re:"comparing" (for a good reason) (4, Insightful)

gosand (234100) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799144)

The GPL is not an EULA - it's a distribution license. Maybe if the MS EULA dictated terms under which you can distribute WinXP, then you might be able to compare them. I just have to ask - what's the point?

I see your point, they are different. But there are ties. You need to know what you are getting into when you install software.

The GPL says "do what you want - BUT if you decide to distribute it, you must follow these rules...."
The MS EULA says "by installing this software, you agree to the following terms....".
Yes, they are different, but MS has been FUDding the heck out of the GPL. So someone compared it to their EULA. (not very well, mind you, but whatever)

You are right, they are different things. But people need to understand that they are different things, and WHY they are different. I think they should have a nutshell comparison of the two:

GPL: "You own this software, do what you want with it. If you redistribute it in any way, follow the courteous rules defined in the license agreement."

MSEULA: "We own your ass, and can change the terms of owning your ass whenever we want. We reserve the right to own your ass in the future."

another comparison (1)

AbdullahHaydar (147260) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798925)

Also from Australia [cyber.com.au] ...

whoops (1)

AbdullahHaydar (147260) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798951)

I meant to link to this study from Germany [tu-berlin.de] (Google Translation [google.com] and I accidently linked to the same one from the article....my bad

Conflates GPL and LGPL (5, Insightful)

p3d0 (42270) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798926)

"Under Linux, many of the libraries are released as LGPL software, which allows non-Open Source software...to be compiled and linked to these programming libraries. This software then can remain as proprietary, non-Open Source software, even though it directly links to GPL software," the study pointed out, effectively killing the idea that the GPL has some kind of viral properties.
Er, the LGPL is not the GPL. It's a different license. The GPL does have viral properties, and that's the whole point of it.

Re:Conflates GPL and LGPL (0)

terrox (555131) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798992)

yeah its like "If you are going to use free junk that someone else worked hard on as the basis of your project then you better damn well give something back you cheap bastard!"

Vaccine not virus- stop the FUD madness (5, Insightful)

abe ferlman (205607) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799060)

The GPL does have viral properties

The GPL has vaccine-like properties. Virii have the connotation of being malicious. The GPL ensures that software, once freed, stays free. And like a vaccine, you can't get it accidentally- you have to deliberately ingest it (i.e., link it into your own code). A virus is something you might get whether you like it or not.

Try linking to some Microsoft code and then check the licensing health of your application. What's that you say? You have to convince Microsoft to allow you this privelege, just like you would have to obtain permission from the author(s) of GPL'd software to make nonfree extensions?

The vaccine metaphor is more apt- the GPL allows healthy usage of code and prevents non-free cancers, parasites and virii from growing on otherwise free (healthy) software projects. Proprietary licenses can be viewed as more of a tourniquet, cutting off all unapproved growths, for better or for worse.

Newsflash! (2, Funny)

Noryungi (70322) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798934)

(To keep the Australian flavour)

In other news today an Australian newspaper compared huge man-eating white sharks with soft, nice furry koalas.

The short version: Koalas are nicer (despite their sharp little teeths).

Sorry... Could not resist... =)

Re:Newsflash! (1)

kinnell (607819) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799008)

The short version: Koalas are nicer

That's what everyone thinks until they encounter a drop bear [geocities.com]

Re:Newsflash! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5799107)

Koalas don't have particularly sharp teeth. The eat certain varieties of leaves from one type of tree (which I can't spell for the life of me). Their teeth are therefore used to mash the leaves to extract the moisture and oils.

However their claws are extremly sharp, and you should be wary of them.

Confusing GPL and LGPL (-1, Redundant)

six809 (1961) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798937)

"Under Linux, many of the libraries are released as LGPL software ... This [software linking to such libraries] can remain as proprietary, non-Open Source software, even though it directly links to GPL software," the study pointed out, effectively killing the idea that the GPL has some kind of viral properties.

That's just dumb and misleading.

In a related story.... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5798946)

We compare and contrast an ass-reaming with a splintered baseball bat with a blowjob from a Playboy model...

MS trying to make us violate their EULA? (5, Interesting)

unborracho (108756) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798950)

  • cannot be used as a webserver or fileserver
I'll be the first to admit that I skipped over the EULA when I installed Windows XP, so I was very surprised when i read this. From what I can recall, this has been implemented in Windows since Windows 95.

Yet network and internet filesharing is still built into Windows XP...

Someone set you up the bomb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5798971)

The BSA will be knocking shortly

Re:Someone set you up the bomb (3, Funny)

borgdows (599861) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799085)

with Patriot Act III, they won't knock, they'll have the right to *bomb* you immediately!

Re:MS trying to make us violate their EULA? (5, Informative)

Utopia (149375) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799012)

You are not in voilation.

They are comparing the XP Home edition EULA.
The professional version which you are using doesn't have that clause.





Re:MS trying to make us violate their EULA? (1)

unborracho (108756) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799058)

Even in the Home edition, Windows contains the "Network Neighborhood" which allows people to download files you have shared, and Windows has specific options to enable file sharing. Albeit they cap the maximum number of connections at 10 (in the EULA), this is still file sharing. the Sydney Morning Herald's article doesn't summarize that accurately. The study doesn't actually specifically say that file sharing isn't allowed in Windows XP does it?

All depends on what you need... (3, Interesting)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798965)

Some people lease cars. Others rent. Others buy. Each comes with a different cost, a different value, and a different set of restrictions. GPLed software is closer to leasing. Microsoft software is more like renting. Public domain is like buying.

And ransom software is like a mortgage. (-1, Redundant)

Chemisor (97276) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798996)

Must not forget the excellent idea of the ransom license.

Re:All depends on what you need... (1)

LMCBoy (185365) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799098)

Hey Anthony,

GPL'd software is much better than leasing. It's more like someone has an endless supply of self-replicating cars and is giving them away to anyone who will agree not to lock theirs up in a garage, and let anyone who asks get a copy of their car. Hmm, this illustrates the problems with equating software with material objects!

[This post somewhat inspired by Neal Stephenson's "In the Beginning was the Command Line" [spack.org] ...but his analogy is much better :)]

Re:All depends on what you need... (1)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799153)

It's more like someone has an endless supply of self-replicating cars and is giving them away to anyone who will agree not to lock theirs up in a garage, and let anyone who asks get a copy of their car.

Actually, the GPL doesn't have anything to do with giving things away. Most people who use the GPL do give things away, but it's not a requirement.

Hmm, this illustrates the problems with equating software with material objects!

True, but my basic point holds. Some people need more control than others. The GPL is nice for people who want to make copies, but for those who don't the Windows XP license is usually just as good.

Eh? (0, Troll)

cperciva (102828) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798969)

A study [...] has put paid to the common myth that GPL software cannot be included in proprietary software without the entire mix having to necessarily be released under the GPL.
[...]
The study pointed out that if a developer wanted to create free or open source software which he or she wanted to use in proprietary software without that proprietary software itself coming under the GPL, they could use the Library GPL, which was specifically designed for this purpose.


In other words, the GPL is less restrictive than the XP EULA because there's an entirely different license called LGPL which is more permissive.

In other news, North Korea has a stronger economy than Russia, because South Korea has a strong economy.

Re:Eh? (1)

ctid (449118) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798997)

If you read the article, it makes it clear throughout that the GPL is far less restrictive than the EULA you must agree to to use XP. Nobody doubts that anyway.

The whole article is 30 pages long. The section you quoted is just a reference to one aspect of the GPL.

In summary... (4, Insightful)

sheldon (2322) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798970)

GPL protects rights of users at expense of developers.

XP EULA protects rights of developers at expense of users.

Re:In summary... (1)

PhoenixK7 (244984) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799039)

Not exactly. The GPL protects the rights of the original developers, sometimes at the expense of other developers. And this expense to other developers is if they want to take the source and release it as part of a closed product.

Re:In summary... (1)

xanadu-xtroot.com (450073) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799116)

'nuf said and very well put!

Re:In summary... (5, Insightful)

listen (20464) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799129)

More like:

GPL protects the rights of users,
grants external developers extra rights,
copyright holder retains rights

EULA restricts users rights,
restricts external developers,
grants extra rights to the copyright
holder from the external users.

*BSD* protects the rights of users,
grants external developers even more
extra rights than GPL
copyright holder retains original rights

mod for the article.... (-1, Redundant)

xao gypsie (641755) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798985)

+1 redundant

xao

"puts paid to the myth"?... WTF? (1)

Asprin (545477) | more than 11 years ago | (#5798995)


Anybody know exactly what the expression "puts paid to" means?

Am I close in interpreting this as "discredits"?

It's an Australian thang, isn't it?

Re:"puts paid to the myth"?... WTF? (1)

ctid (449118) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799020)

"Discredits" is a good definition in this context. The expression is in common use in England too.

There is an error in the article! (5, Informative)

borgdows (599861) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799003)

WinXP EULA doesn't say...

"cannot be used as a webserver or fileserver"

but

"shouldn't be ever used as a webserver or fileserver"

Re:There is an error in the article! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5799122)

WinXP EULA: "shouldn't be ever used as a webserver or fileserver"

Damned good idea [sans.org]

Re:There is an error in the article! (1)

LMCBoy (185365) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799146)

Hmm, the 'real' phrase is pretty ambiguous, especially for a license. Is the implication that MS is warning the user that the software isn't fit for those purposes? Or is it still meant as a restriction on what MS wants their software used for?

Will this change anything? (2, Interesting)

revividus (643168) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799006)

It's interesting to note that the GPL allows the user to change the source, while the EULA allows MicroSoft to change the EULA, and force the user to accept it. This comparison alone shows the breadth of the ideological gap between the two ways of licensing, and although I admit it seems like a Good Thing to note that free software will not necessarily "infect" proprietary software, I'm not certain it will change anything.

Do I really think that this will cause MicroSoft to release some of thier tools under a Free license, or that they will include Free Software in their products?

I suppose people who will take advantage of this will be smaller software companies, who can't afford to be as obstinate as MicroSoft, and want to speed development time by incorporating existing Free software...

What counts as a derivative work? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5799018)

If I use OpenOffice.org (GPL) and I make a document or a spreadsheet with it, because of the viral nature of derivative works under the GPL does that mean that my documents and spreadsheets are GPL as well?

That would have big implications for someone trying to use OpenOffice.org in a business.

Re:What counts as a derivative work? (1)

pe1rxq (141710) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799096)

A document is NOT a derivative of the word processor you made it with. It is a result of your input (e.g. keyboard). Likewise a program compiled with a compiler is NOT a derivative of the compiler. (There are some exceptions on this like bison that includes part of itself in the generated file, but they have these exceptions documented in the license)

Jeroen

Re:What counts as a derivative work? (2, Funny)

borgdows (599861) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799114)

exactly!
and if you ever use a GPL software, YOU are GPL'ed as well!!

DO NOT USE GPL SOFTWARE, IT IS EVIL!!

-- this information ad was brought to you by Microsoft PR Department --

Re:What counts as a derivative work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5799159)

No.

IBM and Sybase? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5799029)

from the article:

Under Linux, many of the libraries are released as LGPL software, which allows non-Open Source software, such as IBM's Sybase SQL Server, Oracle and Lotus Domino etc. to be compiled and linked to these programming libraries

Since when do IBM own Sybase???

Analysis? (1)

unborracho (108756) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799030)

Looking over the actual study, it dosen't appear to be an actual analysis as much as it is a simplification of the EULA. The "Analysis" Sections seem to just sort through the actual EULA and dumb down the lawyer/"Politically Correct" lingo into Laman's terms.

Only in a few sections of the GPL's "Analysis" does it actually compare the two EULAs.

It's still a very interesting read, as I rarely ever actually read the EULAs that come with software I buy/download.

Re:Analysis? (1)

stotterj (527773) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799156)

And how useful is it to compare percentages of documents? Did they judge by amount of words or number of points? One carefully worded line in an otherwise innocuous legal agreement can do far more damage or good than pages of ineffective words in another.

percent of license dealing with user's rights (2, Interesting)

LMCBoy (185365) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799031)

What's the deal with the study saying something like "43.9% of the MS EULA deals with restricting user's rights, while only 22.1% of the GPL is used for that topic". What is that based on, word count? Ridiculous(*)!

Why not just report what the licenses actually say; what is one supposed to glean from how many words they use
saying it?

(*: Note, fellow slashdotters; this is the one and only way to spell the word 'ridiculous'. Thank you. Don't even get me started on 'loose'/'lose'... ;)

Re:percent of license dealing with user's rights (1)

ctid (449118) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799045)

You're right about this, but the other 28 pages are a detailed examination of what the two licences say!

puts paid? (2, Funny)

Hell O'World (88678) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799033)

Offtopic, but what does "Study puts paid to common myth" mean? Is that Australianese?

Re:puts paid? (4, Informative)

ctid (449118) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799069)

In this context, it means "discredits".

why Percents (1)

jeepee (607566) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799047)

Its plain stupid to compare License with a percentage of text on a subject...

line 1: you can't use that program
Line 1-10000: lawyer strange dialect

No warrantee (1)

JohnFluxx (413620) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799073)

They say that the GPL'ed code has no warrantee because there is no fee.. and then they say you have can charge a fee...
What's going on?

Next in the series... (-1, Offtopic)

Call Me Black Cloud (616282) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799093)

How eating in restaurants is different from eating at home:

Restaurants:

Charge you for your food, drink, and to have someone carry it out to you.

No shoes, no shirt, no service.

Restrict how many helpings you have.

Food handled out of your sight by persons of unknown background.

Limit the number of people eating off one plate.

Tell you where to sit.

Only allow certain items to be consumed.

Do not allow patrons to bring in food from outside the restaurant.

Have bathrooms used by multiple people simultaneously

Home:

While food is prepaid it is overall less expensive.

No shoes, no problem.

No shirt, no problem (women only - that's my house rule)

Eat as much as you want.

Come, watch the cook...you're among friends here!

Go ahead, share a plate! Eat off the table or floor even!

Sit, stand, who cares? Eat in front of the TV if you want.

Eat whatever is in the house.

Bring your own food? Sure!

Multiple single seat bathrooms ensure privacy

So there you have it folks...clearly eating at home is superior to eating out. Therefore I propose that the new online spelling of restaurant be "re$taurant" to highlight the restrictive nature of re$taurant$.

Re:Next in the series... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5799154)

excellent!! lol MODS, it deserves a +5, Funny!!

Important hints & tips! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5799099)

Thought this might be informative -- while working as a game counselor for Nintendo, I am often asked the same questions about a certain game. I even get the occasional request from confused Linux fans for information on Tux Racer, and in the hopes of clearing up any uncertainty you might have, I am posting the most popular ones here.


I can't collect enough herring in Twin Paths, help!


This is perhaps my most-often asked question. There's a common misconception that you have to have a good time to get credit for Twin Paths, but the limiting factor in this case is herring. Most players try the second path, which has more herring and a faster average speed. Unfortunately, neither path has enough to satisfy the requirement on its own. You must take the first path, then SWITCH OVER to the second path after the first two groups of trees. Some players also prefer to switch BACK to the first path to get the extra herring near the end of the level, but that's tempting fate in my opinion. Rest assured, though you might lose a little time going overland in this method, it's not enough to make a difference.


What is the highest jump attainable in Tux Racer?


Many people think that the highest jump can be found in Who Says Penguins Can't Fly? , where speeds in excess of 150 kph are commonplace. But since the entire level is essentially one big straightaway, there are no opportunities to set up a jump, and you have to rely on hitting the ramp at a glancing angle, counting on luck to propel you to a high altitude. The best you're going to get in this situation is a z-value of +13230. Believe me, some of the easier levels such as Twisty Slope or even Frozen River can give you a run for your money if big air is what you're looking for. In particular, the mountain to the left at the beginning of Frozen River can be used as a speed boost to attain values as high as +39740, or almost 120 feet in the air!


Is there any way over the big ramp in Sentinel Towers?


Contrary to what you may have heard, it's the angle of the ramp that's important to the height of your jump, and not the length. In fact, as you may have found out the hard way in Sentinel Towers, long ramps can be your worst enemy. To make the jump, you need to maintain a speed in excess of 84 kph all the way up to the base of the ramp. This requires a little planning in advance, so right after you exit the first ice canyon, make a beeline for the ridge on your right. Taking the most direct path will keep your speed on until you make it to the point of no return near the big ramp. Taking the most direct route off the ramp can also work wonders: you should always jump off near the right and then steer left after you hit the other side.


NOTE: If you're trying to complete the jump for the herring bonus, there's a quick & dirty way to do that by taking the roundabout route at the right of the ramp and then jumping over to the other side. Be careful, though: unless you hit the right jump, you will fall down the crack and have to reset.


How can I play as the Coca-Cola bear?


This feature is "officially" non-existent, so don't tell. ;) To get this feature working, you must complete, as Tux, all levels up to Path of Daggers in practice mode. Then go back and replay Path of Daggers, taking the path around the ice spikes at the far left of the level. When you get to the first turn, the one leading across the series of jumps, take the jumps and continue down the straightaway. On your left you will see a gap in the trees that reveals a slope leading up the extreme left-hand side of the map into the side of a snowbank. Veer off the straightaway and onto the slope, and if you maintain a speed over 80 kph, you will go straight through the snowbank to a hidden ice tunnel underneath. At the end of the tunnel is a coke bottle which you must touch. (Alert players will notice that the bottle is actually on the plane of the level's exit, and the only way out is to touch a point in this plane, which gives you credit for this secret.)

From the "100 ways to shoot yourself in the foot" (0)

thomas.galvin (551471) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799104)

For years, we complained about Microsoft because of their stability, ease-of-use, etc. Now, security is still a problem, but with XP, they have, by and large, fixed the stability issues with Windows. I've had boxes up for weeks without rebooting, and when I brought them down, it was usually because I didn't want my PowerSuck 2000 running up my electric bill while I slept. I don't have any experience running XP as a server, but from what I hear, it it a fairly solid OS, if you keep it patched.

Microsoft, though, seems determined to win the "Most Evil Computer Company" award for the billionth consecutive year. If technological problems won't do it for them, they'll start dropping in draconian EULAs.

That's why I finally made the switch to Red Hat. I can do pretty much everything I was already doing on XP, I have the development environment I am accustomed to from work, and I don't have to worry about which part of my soul is on lease to a large corporation.

Being on the lower tier of hackers, I'm not really into kernel hacking; out of curiosity, if XP's EULA was more agreeable, but still not OS/FS-compliant, would any of you consider using it?

One thing was forgotten.. (3, Funny)

idles (556867) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799109)

.. That you never need to astalavista keygens for GPL software.

How does it compare to other OS? (2, Interesting)

Marillion (33728) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799113)

Where I work, the real issue isn't Linux/(Open,Free,Net}BSD versus MS Windows {XP,NT,2K} - The competition is HP-UX/AIX/Solaris.
Anybody like to cite interesting portions of the EULA of those systems?

Different 'End Users' For Each License (2, Interesting)

Flamesplash (469287) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799125)

The Microsoft EULA "appears to limit choices, options and actions" taken by users of software covered by that licence. The GPL appears to safeguard the rights of the original developers in order to ensure continued accessibility of the source code for the software, the study found.

I think there is a flaw here. The MS XP EULA's 'end user' is refering to a person who simply uses the product, there is no option to be a 'developer user' here.

The GPL 'end user' is including the EULA 'end user' and a 'developer user' into the same pot. I'm sure the EULA would look much different if MS intended people to actually modify the source code.

So afai can see you have two different groups here. If linux actually ever becomes rampant on the desk top I don't think the "Over half (51 percent) of the GPL focused on extending users' rights" is going to really matter to the majority of the actual users. This 51% seems to only apply to 'developer users' not your plain old Joe Six-Pack user, and believe me there will be much more Joe Six-Packs than developers on a widley used OS. So now half the GPL is meaningless to most of the users?

Here's your freedom, oh I'm sorry you can't actually use it?

Just wonderin' (1)

asciimonster (305672) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799128)

If software produced under the (L)GPL can be used in software under the EULA, can software under the EULA be used in software under the GPL?

Just compare that observation to this:
"A chimpanzee is an ape, but an ape is not a chimansee"
This test shows that chims are a subgroup of apes.

Does this also show the GPL is a subgroup of the EULA? >>;-E'''

In Prison (aka webchat.org) (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5799139)

There is only the skcula (scottk kc user license agreement) which means if you don't do what they say they will 'skcula' fsck you.

cannot be used as a webserver (1)

MirthScout (247854) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799142)

# cannot be used as a webserver or fileserver

That's OK. I dont expect Windows XP to be a webserver. Just install Apache and use Apache as a webserver.

Another error in the article (1)

spakka (606417) | more than 11 years ago | (#5799160)

The study pointed out that if a developer wanted to create free or open source software which he or she wanted to use in proprietary software without that proprietary software itself coming under the GPL, they could use the Library GPL, which was specifically designed for this purpose.

The developer, as the copyright holder, is free to release their code under whatever restrictive licences they like, even if it was previously released under GPL.

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