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Unix-Haters Handbook Available Online

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the don't-keep-that-bottled-up-inside-you dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 760

prostoalex writes "The Unix-Haters Handbook, publication year 1994, is now available online for free as a single PDF file. Apparently some suburban Seattle company has agreed to host this 3.5MB file on its servers. The anti-foreword is written by no other but Dennis Ritchie, who proclaims: 'Here is my metaphor: your book is a pudding stuffed with apposite observations, many well-conceived. Like excrement, it contains enough undigested nuggets of nutrition to sustain life for some. But it is not a tasty pie: it reeks too much of contempt and of envy.'" This is what should happen to more out-of-print books.

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OMG! MICROSOFT IS THE DEVIL!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817149)

Okay, now, that's out of our system. Does anyone else have any intelligent comments to say?

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Re:knob power (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817158)

I have four words for you:

GET A FRICKIN' LIFE !!!

What, do you stay up all night just to FP on /.?
Come on, damnit, get a life, for crying out loud!

Re:knob power (0)

(TrollCore)Dessimat0 (663223) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817221)

He should derive self esteem from the mocking of others, in order to bolster his own self-confidence, as he is lonelier than you or I could imagine.

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cool (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817153)

oop books become free...interesting.

first post ?

OK, so? (-1)

wideBlueSkies (618979) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817157)

There's only a preface on line. Why is this news?

I'll check back in a couple of months and see how much of the actual book is there.

p/g

Re:OK, so? (0, Redundant)

QuMa (19440) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817166)

the entire book is there

Re:OK, so? (1)

wideBlueSkies (618979) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817173)

Oh crap, there goes my Karma.

I checked the wrong link.......

Re:OK, so? (0, Offtopic)

Patrick Lewis (30844) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817174)

Click on the "Now Online For Free!!" Not gonna link, cause that's just mean.

Re:OK, so? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817183)

It's news because research.microsoft.com is hosting the entire (3,554 KB) book.

Re:OK, so? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817225)

It's the author's webspace... he happens to work at MS.

Windows Hater Book, Entry 1 (5, Funny)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817160)

Windows Hater Book, Entry 1.

A "32-bit multi-threaded Operating System" which freezes for 30 seconds while Adobe Reader 5.0 starts up and downloads a 3.5 MB pdf .

I guess it is multi-threaded. I mean, I could wiggle the hourglass.

Re:Windows Hater Book, Entry 1 (1)

obsidian head (568045) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817180)

Moz does the same.

Moz does the same thing... (3, Funny)

Angry White Guy (521337) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817194)

Only faster! Now that's Hyper-threading!

Re:Moz does the same thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817223)

wait until the servers get /.ed ... then you'll see some anti-/. effect!

Re:Moz does the same thing... (5, Funny)

Angry White Guy (521337) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817239)

And what's the percentage of IE users out there? You still glad you left all those http connections dangling Billy-boy?

They're spcefications for a reason!

Re:Windows Hater Book, Entry 1 (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817230)

Perhaps, but Mozilla is not a "32-bit multithreaded operating system." If it runs in one called "Windows XP" it acts the same as a "Web Browser" called "Internet Explorer," because its using the same program to render the "pdf file," "Acrobat Reader."

Re:Windows Hater Book, Entry 1 (3, Insightful)

Narcissus (310552) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817251)

I hope you mean in a non-Windows OS, because that's what the parent was referring to: the operating system, not the browser.

And even if you mean within Windows, then you'd expect it to hang, too, as it's the operating system that has the problem, not the application.

You're confusing two different things: an application may hang, that's just dodgy code in the application somewhere (which is what you're referring to) but there is no reason for an operating system to hang. That's dodgy code in the OS, and that would affect all applications equally.

Yeah what's up with that (1)

SpanishInquisition (127269) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817189)

Why is acroread freezing my system for 1 minute everytime i wanna read a damned pdf, are adobe's programers on crack or the format so unefficient it has to bring my machine to a halt to render the nice fonts and all?

Re:Windows Hater Book, Entry 1 (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817210)

heh-heh! the gui IS the kernel. the most funny part I read about this was a description of microsoft trying to make a server 2k3 command-line version. "but then you won't be able to use the printing system b/c you need to use all the device drawing stuff ... oh well, we'll keep on trying" . these guys never seem to learn now, do they :-D

Re:Windows Hater Book, Entry 1 (1)

Samrobb (12731) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817270)

I guess it is multi-threaded. I mean, I could wiggle the hourglass.

Good gravy, man, I laughed so hard I nearly snarfed coffee out my nose. Funniest thing I've seen in a long time.

Starting with Unix (5, Funny)

Tri0de (182282) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817163)

I nearly pissed myself when I read this:

"I liken starting one's computing career with Unix, say as an undergraduate,
to being born in East Africa. It is intolerably hot, your
body is covered with lice and flies, you are malnourished and you
suffer from numerous curable diseases. But, as far as young East
Africans can tell, this is simply the natural condition and they live
within it. By the time they find out differently, it is too late. They
already think that the writing of shell scripts is a natural act."
-- Ken Pier, Xerox PARC'

Good Grief (-1, Offtopic)

inertia@yahoo.com (156602) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817165)

Modern Unix is a catastrophe. It's the "Un-Operating System": unreliable, unintuitive, unforgiving, unhelpful, and underpowered. Little is more frustrating than trying to force Unix to do something useful and nontrivial. Modern Unix impedes progress in computer science, wastes billions of dollars, and destroys the common sense of many who seriously use it. An exaggeration? You won't think so after reading this book.

I think someone was horsing around in vi (maybe :%s/Windows/Unix/g), then accidently saved it. This [martin-studio.com] book is better.

Jesus Man, Spamming Ad's AGAIN (5, Funny)

GamezCore.com (631162) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817308)

Dude, you seriously are the wormiest /. poster I have ever seen. Every post you reply to with a link to at LEAST two of your ad links to products. You are a disgrace, and I hope you rot in geek hell.

I hope enough other people/admins see this ridiculous spamming and ban you. If not then I hope a thousand sand fleas infest your armpits.

Re:Jesus Man, Spamming Ad's AGAIN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817324)

It totally sucks. Too bad he keeps getting MODDED UP. Damn moderators...you'd think they could hear my thoughts...hey, wait, maybe that's it, they can hear my toughts. Maybe someone hooked one of those transmitters to my voicebox. You know it moves even when you're just thinking. If they hacked into my voicebox, they'd know ... everything. They'd know what to mod up and what to mod down. AHH!!! I have to think good thoughts...good thoughts............shit.

Re:Good Grief (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817325)

My god, Id rather someone post a goatse.cx link then to see another bloody ad from martin-studio.com in another article.

Microsoft needs to go back to kindergarden (-1, Troll)

Necrotica (241109) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817169)

My dad told me when I was a kid that to put someone down in order to make yourself look better is the most pathetic thing you can do in your life.

Re:Microsoft needs to go back to kindergarden (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817186)

Well, you sir are an idiot. Me however...

A little hint (1)

NicotineAtNight (668197) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817215)

Everything your parents told you because they're socially unacceptable? Do them, but don't get caught - that's the way to get ahead. If everyone was going like gang-busters, society would be fucked, but if everyone is a good little simpleton and there's a few wolves, society continues - let the other chumps follow the rules.

Re:Microsoft needs to go back to kindergarden (0, Troll)

Istealmymusic (573079) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817253)

My dad told me when I was a kid that to put someone down in order to make yourself look better is the most pathetic thing you can do in your life.

According to your dad's logic, this doesn't apply to non-kids (the way you put it). Microsoft is fairly well matured, its not a kid anymore.

So Happy (1)

SpanishInquisition (127269) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817170)

I've bought a copy some years ago but unfortunatly some guy I knew from work borrowed it from me I never saw it back. A definitive must read especialy with the development OSes have had these last 10 years. Of course we'd all like to have LISP OS running on our machines but I think for now all can agree Unix IS the lesser evil.

Worth Reading (4, Interesting)

weston (16146) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817172)

Ritchie's assesment is correct -- it does reek of contempt, but definitely bred of familiarity. :) So you can expect some "it's funny because it's true" moments of laughter, or "I did that" commiseration.

The other good reason to read it... you get a reminder about offshoots of technology, directions things could have gone. It's not a bad idea to look back in the corners for good ideas.

At least, that's what this 15 year UNIX user (who just keeps coming back for more) thinks.

Nothing to do with Microsoft... (4, Informative)

cperciva (102828) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817175)

This might be on Microsoft's servers, but it's in Daniel Weise's private webspace (he being one of the three authors). No, this is not an unsubtle attempt at pro-windows propaganda.

Re:Nothing to do with Microsoft... (0, Flamebait)

Necrotica (241109) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817200)

Its not? It must just be a complete coincidence then that Daniel Weise (A) Hates UNIX (B) Works for Microsoft and (C) was allowed to have it on one of Microsoft's servers. Ya think Microsoft would have minded had Daniel been one of the co-authors of the I Hate Windows book?? Do the math.

Re:Nothing to do with Microsoft... (4, Insightful)

anotherone (132088) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817209)

Maybe he works with windows because he doesn't like Unix?

No, that's insane, it must be a conspiracy.

Re:Nothing to do with Microsoft... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817248)

You are a moron.

Re:Nothing to do with Microsoft... (5, Funny)

DarthWiggle (537589) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817217)

I parsed the negatives and came up with "this is a subtle attempt at pro-windows propaganda."

I was about to type that I parsed the negatives and found Jesus, but I thought I'd get modded troll.

(Pardon me, I'm in the middle of exams, so I'm not entirely in charge of myself.)

Announced on ``The Online Books Page'' a while ago (5, Informative)

WillAdams (45638) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817176)

(I know, 'cause I sent in the note which it listed there ;)

That's, http://digital.library.upenn.edu/books/ for those who aren't familiar with this wonderful site.

It lists a number of other out-of-print books which're of interest to geeks (and some which are in print such as the .tex source (which one may not process save under specific circumstances) for _The TeXBook_ and _The METAFONT Book_ by Dr. Donald E. Knuth). Books of interest include:

_Unix Text Processing_
Norman Walsh's _Making TeX Work_ (which is on Sourceforge)
Eckel's book on programming Java
and for those with kids, _The Great Logo Adventure_

William

Re:Announced on ``The Online Books Page'' a while (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817198)

Just FYI: the correct way to denote book titles on a website is not by _pseudo-underlining_ them, but by using italics.

The italics codes (and most other HTML) work under Slashdot's "Plain Old Text" mode as well as the "HTML Formatted" mode.

Re:Announced on ``The Online Books Page'' a while (1)

obsidian head (568045) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817206)

Thanks! I was looking for Woodcock's Z specification book and was tempted to buy it at Amazon.

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Dear Microsoft... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817179)

I read with great interest this "UNIX Haters Handbook" that you host online through one of your research monkey's web sites.

I use Windows and now I know why I hate UNIX so bad.

I'll do anything you tell me to do.

Sincerely,

Bob Underling

Re:Dear Microsoft... (5, Interesting)

jonabbey (2498) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817249)

The Unix Hater's Handbook is a classic, and should be read especially by UNIX/Linux fans. I always used to force my minions^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hstudents to read it (until one of my students kept it) so they would have a better understanding of where UNIX had been, and what aspects of it were suboptimal.

A lot of what TUHH rags on has long since been improved.. who mucks around with /bin/sh, sed and awk now that we have Perl and Python, after all?

Other things haven't been improved much on the UNIX side, and TUHH includes some important lessons about why that is, and what the real world benefits and costs of that are.

I'm glad that this is available in some form again now, but it's not the same without the friendly UNIX Barf Bag bound into the back cover.

Hehehehe..... (0, Redundant)

rasteri (634956) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817181)

It's hosted on microsoft.com.... is anyone surprised?

Re:Hehehehe..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817203)

Hurrrrr, it's on some MS employee's (one of the authors) personal space.

Re:Hehehehe..... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817216)

Aren't you the bright one.

Re:Hehehehe..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817319)

lol.

you beat me to it!

Oh the irony... (2)

Timbo (75953) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817197)

...the best part of the foreword:

"As for me? I switched to the Mac. No more grep, no more piping, no more SED scripts."

Re:Oh the irony... (1)

Angry White Guy (521337) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817229)

No more control...

Re:Oh the irony... (1)

dougmc (70836) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817235)

"As for me? I switched to the Mac. No more grep, no more piping, no more SED scripts."
No more automating of tasks that you can't find a GUI to do for you ...

Click Click Click drag type click click click click Click Click Click drag reboot click click click click drag drop Click Click Click drag click click click click drag drop Click Click Click drag click click click click type drag drop Click Click Click drag click click click click drag drop Click Click Click drag click type click click click drag drop Click Click Click drag click slide click click click drag drop shuffle drag drop Click Click Click wait drag click click click ...

I guess if you think that's better than a sed or awk script of a few lines to fix 100 files, well, more power to you!

Re:Oh the irony... (1)

darc (532156) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817273)

*cough* applescript *cough*

Well, if you're an OS9 whore anyway..

X is another story all together.

Re:Oh the irony... (2, Insightful)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817323)

Applescript is still in OSX.

Re:Oh the irony... (3, Interesting)

WillAdams (45638) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817307)

Reminds me of once at work---a publisher added a page to a chapter which ended on a left, meaning that all the following pages had to be incremented by 2---not that big a deal, even in Quark XPress (and trivial in the books which I do using TeX or FrameMaker), except that the index had already been done. While everyone else in the shop was busy trying to figure out how many people would have to be diverted to manually updating the index I dumped it to Quark XPress Tags, copied that to my Mac running Mac OS X, worked up a four line awk script to increment all page numbers after the new page by 2, processed the file with the script, brought it back into Quark, et voila!

William

Re:Oh the irony... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817309)

erm. I believe the irony to be found was that Mac OS X is based on BSD. Yes. Yes I'm almost sure of it.

Re:Oh the irony... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817281)

"As for me? I switched to the Mac. No more grep, no more piping, no more SED scripts."

at least give the full quote

"... Just a simple, elegant life. `Your application has unexpectedly quit due to error number -1. OK?' "

From the forward (4, Funny)

radon28 (593565) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817201)

"As for me? I switched to the Mac. No more grep, no more piping, no more SED scripts.. "

Oh well. I guess he really can't escape Unix.

Mac OS X is not UNIX (0, Offtopic)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817267)

I guess he really can't escape Unix.

Mac OS X's low level follows much of the Single UNIX Specification, but it is not a UNIX® brand system.

Re:Mac OS X is not UNIX (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817287)

Maybe that's why the poster didn't type UNIX or UNIX®. Duh. And this book was written before the release of Mac OS X anyway.

Re:Mac OS X is not UNIX (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817316)

But the book is about UNIX, and the way UNIX behaves, if Mac OS X's low level follows that form reasonably well, then his comment that he 'can't escape unix' would then be valid.

From the preface (4, Funny)

coene (554338) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817202)

From the Preface:

Modern Unix is a catastrophe. It's the "Un-Operating System": unreliable, unintuitive, unforgiving, unhelpful, and underpowered.

Now, who has the URL to that Microsoft company picture from the 70's where everyone looks high?

This one? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817275)

http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/humour/msoft.htm

Jealousy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817204)

In my opinion, Dennis Ritchie is jealous of his brother Guy [yahoo.com] . Dennis was stuck programming computers while his brother was making great movies, marrying Madonna, then making horrible movies and living off of Madonna's income. :)

Hopelessly outdated... (1)

NicotineAtNight (668197) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817205)

Any person who complains that a clock takes 1.4megs of memory is still stuck in East Africa...

Not that I think Unixes are very good, but this sort of anti-advocacy has to be fresh to really resonate with its audience.

I'm not really surprised it's been released for free now, since it has no value.

Go Figure (5, Informative)

cscx (541332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817211)

Dennis Ritchie himself uses Windows NT [unix.se] ...

Re:Go Figure (3, Informative)

dAzED1 (33635) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817292)

"My own environment (on PC hardware) actually runs Windows NT, but it is used mainly as a graphics terminal connected to a Plan 9 server, in a way approximately analogous to an X windows client."

Eh? so what. SOme of us don't think of unix as a place to do gui, but instead as a place to do work ;)

Where are they now? (5, Funny)

Saint Aardvark (159009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817218)

Google to the rescue...

Simson Garfinkel [simson.net] eventually became a hermit and withdrew from public life after too many people mistook him for Art Garfunkel. He now lives in a cave in southern California.

Daniel Weise [microsoft.com] went on to work at Microsoft. He distinguished himself as the first non-Samoan to ever pick up Bob Barker after winning the Showcase Showdown on "The Price Is Right."

Steve Straussman (no website, sorry -- anyone?) left the Unix-Hater's list after it was revealed that he had fallen in love with a woman who loved Unix. He has come to terms with the past, and now teaches "How to Shell Script in Linux" classes at his local community college.

John Klossner [jklossner.com] went on to a successful career making cartoons for Lucas' Skywalker Sound company newsletter, until fired for printing one that suggested an unnatural intimacy between Luke Skywalker and Chewbacca.

Donald Norman [jnd.org] won the coveted "Golden C< Prompt" award and retired from public life.

Dennis Ritchie [bell-labs.com] became something of a celebrity on the web for his many and varied contributions of photos to Engrish.com [engrish.com] .

Scott Burson [uni-trier.de] became a monk and moved to Iceland.

Don Hopkins [donhopkins.com] ran for office in Lousiana and lost. He is now a semi-successful insurance salesman, and plays harmonica regularly.

That was all I could find out about -- anyone got any more?

Re:Where are they now? (2, Informative)

WillAdams (45638) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817261)

Seriously, Simson Garfinkel is now a student, and as such is entering his way cool program sBook (see http://www.sbook5.com for downloads for Mac OS X and Windows---sadly the NeXTstep version isn't given away or maintained any longer, the Windows port is done w/ an older version of the QT library and won't work w/ Pen Services for Windows, crashes) in Apple's Developer's Contest this year.

William

Re:Where are they now? (0)

trats (665756) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817310)

That reminds me of Googlisms.com [googlism.com] . Interestingly, the Internet doesn't think of these people as negatively as /.ers do. Maybe it's because noone talks about them except their own company?

Ironic (5, Funny)

camt (162536) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817220)

I find it ironic that in the forward he mentions he switched to a mac to avoid cryptic UNIX things like grep and pipes, etc.

Now Mac OS X is based on UNIX!

Re:Ironic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817233)

But MacOS X is about 9,000,000,000 times better than any UNIX desktop.

Re:Ironic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817291)

No way, my OS is INFINITY times better.

Re:Ironic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817296)

Everything you say plus two!

Re:Ironic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817322)

Oh god, you're going to start a hey-my-number-is-bigger-than-yours war. Just wait until someone says infinity and we'll have to go on and on with infinity+1's etc\. Oh wait...

would care about the /. effect (4, Funny)

nuintari (47926) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817228)

I would care about the server getting slashdotted, but since its microsoft's bandwidth, and this is slashdot, I feel compelled to be a dick and not volunteer a mirror.

Microsoft has more bandwidth than god anyways.

slashdotted (2, Funny)

zapp (201236) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817231)

Since when was it a good idea to post a link to a 3.5mb file hosted on a small suburban server on slashdot? :)

It's a good read (5, Interesting)

Trailer Trash (60756) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817236)

I actually have it in paperback form, and it comes with a Unix barfbag. A lot of the points made in the book are still quite valid, but a lot of them are things that have been fixed in the last 10 years. When placed at the appropriate time, you have to realize that it does a decent job of describing the worst parts of Unix from the views of VMS users, among others. Like /., it makes no pretense of being a balanced view.

My main gripe is that they confuse the Internet with Unix. So an entire chapter is devoted to Usenet. That was written before spam, I'm sure the author would be able to write even more vitriol in that category.

I'd love to see it updated, particularly given that so many of the gripes have been addressed and fixed in the world of FS/OSS.

Probably my favorite quote that really needs an update: "Unix was no designed for the Mac." (page 18 of the PDF)

Michael

JEW haters handbook to be posted (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817241)

Included favorite trick and tips on howto:
* annoy a jew
* drive jew out of your village
* stop jew from being nosy in your business
* whizbang game of: 'zionists under siege'

bittorrent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817242)

Does anyone have a .bittorrent of this? To uh, you know, lighten the load on the server?

Seriously, that's why you should have a .torrent for it, not because I don't want anyone to catch me downloading files from microsoft.com, really...

Actually a really good book about Unix (5, Interesting)

IvyMike (178408) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817243)

I read this book when it came out, when I was just a mere youth in the world of Unix. I actually learned a lot about Unix, both the history and actual day-to-day usage. It's clearly authored by a collection of people who love to hate unix and hate to love unix.

In the intervening nine years, a lot of the criticisms in this book have been addressed. Even at the time it was released, this was becoming true. A lot of the issues in the book have a solution, and its name is "Perl". But don't fool yourself; Unix still sucks in a lot of ways. The chapters criticizing X, for example, are unfortunately far too true today.

I hope the people who read this get the joke; that only a group of people intimately familiar with Unix could have produced such a book.

You too.. (1)

PhoenixK7 (244984) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817252)

can do your part in slashdotting "the beast" simply click here [microsoft.com]

That server seems to be holding up surprisingly well, I wonder how long until someone realizes the R&D department's bandwidth usage went through the roof and deletes the file...

Re:You too.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817299)

Hi,

Microsoft is a real corporation. They are not hosted on Geocities, they do not worry about stupid things like the five Slashdotters who actually read the article.

Have a nice day.

unix haters? (2, Funny)

Unominous Coward (651680) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817255)

I don't need to worry about those rabid unix haters, I use Linux. Oh wait...

favorite part thus far - Unix & C were a prank (5, Funny)

dAzED1 (33635) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817257)

page 337:

In an announcement that has stunned the computer industry, Ken Thompson,
Dennis Ritchie, and Brian Kernighan admitted that the Unix operating
system and C programming language created by them is an elaborate April
Fools prank kept alive for more than 20 years. Speaking at the recent
UnixWorld Software Development Forum, Thompson revealed the following:
"In 1969, AT&T had just terminated their work with the GE/AT&T
Multics project. Brian and I had just started working with an early
release of Pascal from Professor Nichlaus Wirth's ETH labs in Switzerland,
and we were impressed with its elegant simplicity and
power. Dennis had just finished reading Bored of the Rings, a hilarious
National Lampoon parody of the great Tolkien Lord of the Rings
trilogy. As a lark, we decided to do parodies of the Multics environment
and Pascal. Dennis and I were responsible for the operating
environment. We looked at Multics and designed the new system to
be as complex and cryptic as possible to maximize casual users' frustration
levels, calling it Unix as a parody of Multics, as well as other
more risque allusions.
"Then Dennis and Brian worked on a truly warped version of Pascal,
called "A." When we found others were actually trying to create real
programs with A, we quickly added additional cryptic features and
evolved into B, BCPL, and finally C. We stopped when we got a
clean compile on the following syntax:
for(;P("\n"),R=;P("|"))for(e=C;e=P("_"+(* u++/
8)%2))P("|"+(*u/4)%2);
"To think that modern programmers would try to use a language that
allowed such a statement was beyond our comprehension! We actually
thought of selling this to the Soviets to set their computer science
progress back 20 or more years. Imagine our surprise when AT&T
and other U.S. corporations actually began trying to use Unix and C!
It has taken them 20 years to develop enough expertise to generate
even marginally useful applications using this 1960s technological
parody, but we are impressed with the tenacity (if not common sense)
of the general Unix and C programmer.

Ah, sweet irony... (1)

Bob Wehadababyitsabo (629809) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817259)

The forward is written by Don Norman, who worked where in 1994? You guessed it. Today's largest distributor of Unix in the world: Apple.

Stupid argument (4, Insightful)

jsse (254124) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817260)


The Problem with Hidden Files


Unix's ls program suppresses file whose name begin with a period (such as .cshrc and .login) by default from directory displays. Attackers exploit this "feature" to hide their system-breaking tools by giving them names that begin with a period. Computer crackers have hidden megabytes of information in unsuspecting user's directories.
Windows' dir program suppresses file whose are attributed with H (such as...what you see in attrib *.* with H with them) by default from from directory displays. Attackers exploit this "feature" to hide their system-breaking tools by giving them attribute H. Computer crackers have hidden mega bytes of information in unsuspecting user's directories.

Using file name that contain spaces or control characters is another powerful techniques for hidding files from unsuspecting users. Most trusting users (maybe those who have migrated from the Mac or from MS-Windows) who see a file in their home directory called system who't think twice about it - especially if they can't delete it by typing rm system. "If you can't delete it," they think, "it must be because UNIX was patched to make it so I can't delete this critical system resource."

Using file names that contain spaces or control characters is another powerful technique for hiding files from unsuspecting users. Most trusting users (maybe those who have migrated from whatever-OS-on-earth) who see a file in their system directory called system.dll won't think twice about it - especially if they can't delete it by typing del system.dll. "If you can't delete it," they think, "it must be because Windows was patched to make it so I can't delete this critical system resource."


The entire article is stuffed with argument as such. Worth reading only for a laugh.

Re:Stupid argument (1)

MutantEnemy (545783) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817274)

Yes, but the article is from the POV of a Mac user.

Foreward by Donald Norman, Apple Computer.. (4, Funny)

coene (554338) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817264)

So, in 1997, Donald Norman of Apple bashes UNIX...

And now all Apple Systems ship with it!

I [heart] Irony

Great read! (1)

beldraen (94534) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817268)

I own this book and it's great! While some of the arguments are contrived, it does bring to light many usability issues that appologetics so easily support. Name any other operating system that you can create a file ("-s") that can destroy your operating system? Linux, the kernal, is an amazing beast. The shells and "tools" are amazingly beastly.

A HOWTO on fixing Unix's user interface (4, Interesting)

YetAnotherName (168064) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817290)

I've got the print version of the book. Witty, clever, and sadly on-target in quite a lot of its observations. (I'm still dismayed to see a greater-than character in front of "From" when it's the first word on a line in an email message. There's just no excuse for that in 2003.) And I'm a die-hard Unix lover (logged on using a Silent 700 when I was in 3rd grade).

But I was turned off that the Unix Haters mailing list was so exclusive: you had to write some similarly erudite and novel observation on how awful Unix was before you'd be let into the club. Clever invective to be kept a careful few? Sounds a bit fearful to me.

Regardless, it's been years since the book's been out, and Unix still has many warts. The book (and presumably, the mailing list, although I wouldn't know), could serve as a requirements document on how you'd go about improving Unix in general.

What did the authors offer as a better UI? No, not Windows. Not Mac. Some arcane LISP machine was usually the machine of choice. Sorry, I live in the real world and have to earn a paycheck.

Mirror (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817293)

In case it does get slashdotted, there is a mirror at www.cyruslabs.com/unix-haters/

It even has an HTML converted version for all of us that hate PDF's.

Irony? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817297)

He switched to Mac OS, to...avoid unix. I guess that didn't pan out.

Some very good points... (4, Interesting)

Brian_Ellenberger (308720) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817298)

This documents has many excellent points. When you are a green developer just into college you are sort of brainwashed into the "UNIX is the best. PCs and Macs are just toys compared to the incredible power of UNIX." When I encountered things I just assumed it was my lack of knowledge or understanding. UNIX wouldn't have faults or problems!

Of course, many of these problem have been resolved since this book was written. Unfortunately, far too many have remained and have many their way into Linux.

A) Cryptic Command Names. Still there in Linux

B) "Unix was like Homer, handed down as oral wisdom."

Man, this is so true. I got most of my UNIX knowledge passed down to me by upperclassmen and professors. It is amazing how much training it takes in UNIX to do something simple in Windows. For example, recursively searching through a subtree for some text in a file.

C) Terminal Insanity. Still there in many ways. VT100 pops up its ugly head decades after it should have been killed.

D) The X-Windows Disaster. X-Windows is what first made me question UNIX's superiority. Dang X sucks. Bad. What a mess! "Motif Self-Abuse Kit" made me laugh because my brief experience programming Motif was one of the worst in my life. It was a mess of void pointers and pointers to functions that was an absolute pain to program.

E) Make "Unfortunately, in their zeal to be general, many
Unix tools forget about the quick and easy part."

I've never found a make that I liked. You should not have to spend hours programming the freakin makefile. Nor should you have to debug whitespace because you have an extra space or tab.

I'll take Troll for $1000 Alec. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817301)

Like excrement, it contains enough undigested nuggets of nutrition to sustain life for some.

What is the average /. moderator's brain?



oCnfusion ,,, I thought Windows. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5817305)

A book about Unix in .PDF format how informative -- unix and windows are in contention for some societal role playing and when one of them is down, they sleep in the mud waiting...

Weird story.

the shocking truth, in some cases (1)

Unominous Coward (651680) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817318)

Everybody should read the section on recompiling X. I didn't know whether to laugh, or to cry when I read it.

The sendmail section is also interesting, but I don't agree with all the points he makes.

I would judge this book as interesting, and true in some respects, but tackling the problems in a very cynical way (which is what makes it so funny to read)

Some times I've been bitty by unix: (3, Interesting)

zapp (201236) | more than 11 years ago | (#5817321)

1 -
I dual boot between Linux and windows. At the time I had a Fat32 partition for windows, and linux could write to it.
About 4 in the morning I meant to remove the mount point to the fat32 drive (something like /c). I forgot that it was mounted and typed 'rm -r /c' .... after wondering for 30 seconds why it was taking so long, about 1gb of my drive was gone.

2 -
I had been coding away on a java project that was due in about an hour, and having just finished it, compiled it, tested it, I got ready to jar it up and submit it (per requirements):
$ jar cvf *

Oops! I forgot to specify which file to output the jar file to... and since the shell interprets *, it overwrote my first file... which was the guts of the assignment.
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