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Spammers Threaten Techdirt With Lawsuit

Hemos posted more than 11 years ago | from the the-cases-move-on dept.

Spam 303

An anonymous reader writes "Found over at Declan McCullough's Politech, some spammers who had been written up in the NY Times found their contact info displayed on Techdirt, after they wrote about the NY Times story. Apparently, someone was trying to pull a Ralsky on the spammers. The spammers got pissed off and threatened to sue Techdirt - even though all the info was publicly available and other court cases have shown it's legal to post spammer's contact information. Techdirt, interestingly, took the contact info down because they feel that no one should get spammed. I'm kind of torn on this one. On the one hand, I respect Techdirt for taking such a stand, but on the other, I feel that the spammers clearly deserve to be spammed back. The fact that they threatened Techdirt, despite them not having done anything wrong (it wasn't even the folks at Techdirt who posted the info - but some readers), makes me even angrier at the spammer."

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5823794)

Frok Pok.

Necrophilia FAQ (posted per Rob's request) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5823795)

From an9420@anon.penet.fi Sat Oct 9 13:37:06 EET 1993

this was an anonymous post, i dont even remember where i found it. it will, however, be expanded on whenever i find the time for it. in the mean time, thanks to Theoderich and too all of you, have fun.

decayed kisses,
the pink and purple
tinsel fairy of love
and necrophilia

NECROPHILIA

by Theoderich
I: Introduction

Very few text files have been written regarding the sexual tendencies and practices of necrophiliacs. While most people would prefer to believe that we do not exist we most certainly do as is obvious to anyone who visits a cemetery during our nightly rampages.

Necrophiliacs prefer to go about their business alone; sharing is not a part of this alternative lifestyle as the corpse usually wears out fairly quickly. This is not to say that the occasional orgy involving four or five necrophiliacs and about a dozen or so corpses does not occur, but it is very rare. In this file I will describe common (and some uncommon) techniques which necrophiliacs use to gain satisfaction from their stiff partners. Hopefully these vivid descriptions will encourage you to go out to your local cemetery and to join our ranks!

II: Finding a partner

Finding a partner for your necrophiliac activities is definitely the hardest part. You not only have to gain access to the corpse but you also have to find one which suits your tastes. Granted, some
necrophiliacs would screw roadkill if given the chance but most of us are more discriminating. Your chances depend upon where you pick up your date. If you have access to a morgue it would definitely be your best bet as the corpses there are usually the freshest and have not yet been treated for burial. They may be a bit chilly because they've been lying in the meat locker for days but that really shouldn't make a big difference to the determined necrophiliac. Cemeteries are a bit harder to deal with as finding a screwable corpse is harder to do.However, if you know how to interpret signs this shouldn't be a problem.
If a grave consists of a mound of fresh dirt and is covered with flowers,chances are that the stiff hasn't been laying here for too long. Rotting flowers on the mound usually hint to the state of the corpse as well.
Some people are exclusively into 'porking the bone', i.e. sex with skeletons. In this case you can dig up almost any grave and hope that the inhabitant hasn't yet disintegrated into dust. Try to scope out a fairly secluded cemetery for your passions unless you like a sense of danger to go along with the sex. Having anyone catch you in the act is NOT fun, and if you're picked up by a cop chances are that you won't be able to screw anything but Bubba behind bars for the next few decades.
People are generally not understanding of the necrophiliac lifestyle, so it will probably be a long time before we can come out of the closet.

III: Preparation

Depending upon where you are at this point you'll have either a little or a lot of work to do. The person in the morgue will obviously have to do little more than to open the locker, pull the corpse out and bang away. If you're one of the cemetery people you'll have more work to do. An experienced necrophiliac is always equipped with the bare essentials: a shovel, vaseline and a box of rubbers. Why the shovel is needed should be obvious, but if the ground is hard then you might need more equipment to dig up your date. Vaseline is used to loosen the corpse up a bit. This makes it less likely for a body part to break off while
you're having fun and it also prevents your mantool from becoming too irritated while screwing the dried out pussy. The BOX of condoms is used to play it safe; no necrophiliac should be without it. You never know which STDs your partner had during his/her lifetime, and believe me, it doesn't get any better after the person dies. You can put on more than one rubber for extra protection if it is warranted, but screwing a corpse without protection is just plain stupid unless you want to be the next
date for a necrophiliac. If you're in a cemetery try to drag the corpse out of the grave and behind a bush or to another secluded place. Pumping away in the grave may seem more convenient, but it's a severe disadvantage to you if you need to take off in a hurry. Sometimes the corpse is too fragile to be moved; in that case make it fast. Or just break off the head, hand or lower torso and take it with you for added convenience.

Part IV: Techniques

So now you've got a stiff lying seductively in front of you, but you have no idea how to start. How you proceed from this point onward really depends upon what kind of person you are. The corpse will last longer if you treat it gently and with care, but if you prefer to go all out you'll probably receive greater satisfaction. There are many differences between screwing a live and a dead person which one needs to be aware of. Firstly, a corpse will never tell you to get off of it if you're being a bit rough and it will never complain no matter what kinky sexual practices you use it for. Screwing a corpse is also much more predictable because you can raise an arm, leg or whatever and it will still be in that position when you reach for it again. Take the arms and gently lock them in an embrace behind your back, or spread
the legs to make sex a bit easier. If you want a great blowjob then lubricate your partner's mouth, lock it to your preferred width, insert and go for it. Although there's no tongue stimulation it's still worthwhile, and it's also safer than conventional sex. Corpses can also be recycled if treated properly. If you're a proficient embalmer you can keep a corpse for over five years if it has been properly embalmed.

That's free sex whenever you want it! You naturally don't want to be too rough with an embalmed corpse though as they are more fragile. One final advantage of screwing corpses is that they are always in abundance. Based upon your sexual preferences you can designate a cemetery or a morgue as your territory and always find fresh partners to screw. Plus you don't have to resort to cheesy pickup lines or spend all your money in order to get a date. Necrophilia is a passion which is cheaply satisfied.

V. Conclusion

I hope that this text file will encourage you to go out and try necrophilia. Not many people do it, but that's precisely what makes it so much fun; it makes you feel special! If no living person would touch you with a 10 foot pole then try having sex with a corpse! Some of them are real beauties and it's an experience you'll never forget. There is no greater experience for a virgin than having his/her virginity taken by a corpse. Anyways, have fun and if you have any experiences you'd like to share then by all means do! Maybe necrophilia will enter the mainstream because of your efforts.

Theoderich
8/9/93
3:11 pm CST

You have the money? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5823797)

Then you risk the lawsuit. We all know what American justice is like. I'm not suprised at all, and their decision (to pull the info) has nothing to do with morality, or right and wrong, just common sense.

Re:You have the money? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5823942)

American Justice: double the cunt for half the price... limited offer. Buy now!!!

Put Spammers where they belong .... (0)

Jeehoba (650927) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824156)

on a plate with some cheese and eggs. Ummm spam ... thats some good eatin.

Laughable. (3, Insightful)

Tinfoil (109794) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823801)

they feel that no one should get spammed

How very naive of them. Why shouldn't the people that force us to take extreme measures for a little bit of privacy, convenience, not be made to deal with the same garbage that we do?

Re:Laughable. (4, Insightful)

bwalling (195998) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823833)

How very naive of them. Why shouldn't the people that force us to take extreme measures for a little bit of privacy, convenience, not be made to deal with the same garbage that we do?

Because they are idealists, which means that they will never get anything done and they will always be inconvenienced by their ideals. That said, we can all benefit from those who believe so strongly in their ideals since the majority of us are weak enough to compromise our ideals any time it is convenient, profitable, fun, or whatever other excuse we invent.

Re:Laughable. (1)

Tinfoil (109794) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823851)

You know, I hadn't thought of it that way. While it *is* nice to see someone stand up for their ideals, I just finished cleaning some 70 spams that got past Spamnet (Cloudmark). Perhaps I was a little hasty.

Re:Laughable. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5824048)

Having beliefs and living with them are two different things. Convictions mean the most when you can afford them the least.

Of course, what I think is interesting also it that ultimately it is the lawyers that won. Techdirt attracted attention to itself and the issue, the spammers had their information taken down (although I suspect more people will find that information in the Google cache or other websites) and the lawyers got their $500 fee for sending that letter.

Everyone wins, except us.

Every time a website that posts spammer's addresses recieves that letter, they remove it, but ask that some others continue the fight.This could create a model for civil disobedience, where the primary intent is to provide overwhelming numbers of targets that sending all of them cease and desist letters would be financially ruinous.

Just some thoughts.

Which spammers? (4, Funny)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823802)

So, just out of idle curiosity you understand, who were these spammers that threatened the legal action?

Re:Which spammers? (2, Insightful)

christoph_s (537721) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823821)

it would be great if someone posted their addresses here - talk about going from bad to worse... i'd rather be flooded by the techdirt- than the slashdot crowd ;-)

they're missing it (2, Funny)

muyuubyou (621373) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823896)

What's wrong with showing their contact information to everybody?

For instance, I would benefit those rich guys so much by offering some business opportunity in Nigeria I'm into.

Ah, praise the lord for those helping guys, always wanting to inform you about the latest and greatest offers, and refusing to accept anything in exchange...

We have the biggest lights... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5823904)

Codex.lu [codex.lu]

Re:Which spammers? These spammers (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5824137)

That would be known spammer [nytimes.com] Alyxsandra Sachs 112 Catamaran St Marina Del Rey, CA 90292-5769 (310)578-1728 info@netglobalmarketing.com 323-871-2000x11 Fax Number: 323-871-0625 Albert Ahdoot aahdoot@yahoo.com

The reason you're torn... (4, Interesting)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823809)

It's very much like capital punishment, or the "eye for an eye" rule in the Old Testament. The normal way out of this connundrum is a follows: What makes a certain act wrong, normally, is that a party without the proper authority does it. I.e., it's more OK for a judge to send someone to jail than for you to. Same thing in the Old Testament. You can't just go around killing other people, unless it's doing so to uphold a law established by God. So in this spamming scenario? If it's not breaking the law, then retribution at *least* seems just.

Re:The reason you're torn... (1, Insightful)

Eric Ass Raymond (662593) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823914)

If it's not breaking the law, then retribution at *least* seems just

Law is not supposed to grant retribution.

The law should protect the society by preventing people from harming the collective and not cater to the base human instincts like the hunger for revenge.

Re:The reason you're torn... (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824047)

I'm curious how you justify that the law "should" be for such-and-such a purpose.

Re:The reason you're torn... (0)

Eric Ass Raymond (662593) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824101)

Pure utilitarianism: whatever is the most logical course of action. Revenge via proxy does not benefit the society as a whole and is counterproductive in the long term.

Re:The reason you're torn... (1)

spot35 (644375) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823917)

If the whole world acted upon "an eye for an eye" then everyone would be blind.

I think I've paraphrased a little and I think the original quote comes from Ghandi or someone similar.

In other words, anyone can commit a crime but only a certain few can punish said crime. I know that's a little facetious but in practice it does alleviate anarchy.

The parent isn't flamebait, it's insightful.

Re:The reason you're torn... (2, Funny)

Surlyboi (96917) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824059)

If the whole world acted upon "an eye for an eye" then everyone would be blind.

Ah, but in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man
is king!

Moral? You get one eye poked out, hide out and wait
for the poking to stop, then declare yourself king.

Re:The reason you're torn... (1)

hesiod (111176) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824093)

> I know that's a little facetious but in practice it does alleviate anarchy.

A bit of a nitpick here, but...

It does not alleviate anarchy... Having the "ruling force" is the opposite of anarchy. That's like saying not having any symptoms alleviates SARS.

Also, just because Ghandi says something does not make it right or even insightful. If the whole world acted upon "eye for an eye" we wouldn't have an overpopulation problem. If everyone actually feared retribution for anything they did, they would be less likely to do those things. Therefore, the first generation may become blind, but the undesireables would be gone. So, eye for an eye, IMO is a very valid philosophy, assuming equality of punishment for crime and not lashing out radically.

Plus the whole world is blind.

Re:The reason you're torn... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5824128)

I am no biblical scholar or anything, but doesn't "eye for an eye" come from the Code of Himerabi (Hamerabi or some similar spelling). I do not think it says anything like that in the Old Testament :^)

Spamassassin helps. (1)

popeydotcom (114724) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823816)

But it irks me to have to maintain this stuff, just so I don't get a gazillion spams a day.

Maybe we should just resign ourselves to having to treat spam like viruses. Fixing the symptoms and not the cause.

Nuremberg files (-1, Flamebait)

funkman (13736) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823817)

Let the comparisons begin ...

For those in a shell [google.com]

Re:Nuremberg files (1)

funkman (13736) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824106)

I fail to see how this is flamebait. People are posting spammer information and taking vigilante action.

The Nuremberg files did the same thing. In this case, no one feels for the spammers. But if any prosecution does go foward - the Nuremberg case will be used as a precedent.

Spam makes the world go round... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5823820)

...because it is important in the "production" of money. Commercials keep the TV alive. Spam the internet. There doesn't exist open source/free hardware that doesn't require administration, yet. So, don't bite the hand that feeds your hobby.

It's a sad fact of modern life... (5, Interesting)

JessLeah (625838) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823822)

...that all it takes to bring virtually any effort to a screeching halt is for somebody with more money than you to threaten a lawsuit. At that point, whammo, you have to stop what you're doing.

When you are a small site, or an individual person without a tremendous income (read: everyone short of a CEO), that basically means "any company, or even individual, can threaten to sue you, and there goes whatever you were working on."

This seems to be a rather disturbing new part of our market reality.

Recall the DeCSS case. Several dozen named defendants, and several hundred "Does", were threatened in court by the DVD-CCA, acting as a representative of the interests of some of the largest companies on Earth. Whammo, most of the people capitulated, the courts bowed to the pressure of the RIAA's fat pocketbooks, and the DVD-CCA's will became law-- DeCSS is now effectively "illegal". Cases like this spam one seem to be the result of "trickle-down" thinking-- or as Star Control 2 would have it, "dribble-down"-- whereby smaller and smaller companies begin to adopt the same nasty tactics.

Let's face it-- if you run a small and/or non-profit site, and if some company or businessperson with lots of money (or even a moderate amount of money) makes a credible threat to send in the lawyers, you're at least as likely as not to give in to their pressure. It's simple survival instinct-- no one wants to get sued, especially (A) in this economy and (B) by someone with much fatter coffers than themselves.

What this is leading to is a situation where the rich can effectively (and, as close to possible, directly-- about the only more direct way would be to put a gun to one's head!) force the poor to do whatever they want. No laws (legal, moral or otherwise) really seem to touch the really "big fish" (RIAA, MPAA, Microsoft, etc.), and they get away with a slap on the wrist-analogue at worst; now, even smaller entities like these spammers can effectively throw their monetary weight around to silence dot-bomb-impoverished techies running innocent sites.

I fear that this trend will become far more pervasive, and will get far worse before it gets better. If it ever gets better... I personally do not believe that the current Powers That Be in the US really care that much about "the little guys" getting spurious lawsuit threats every time they do something someone Richer-Than-Thou happens to dislike...

Re:It's a sad fact of modern life... (1)

black mariah (654971) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823871)

Maybe I'm just stupid. If someone threatened me with a BS lawsuit like that my response would be three simple words. Bring it on. I have the time to fight crap like this. The problem isn't one of money. It's one of inclination. Are you willing to put up with a ton of BS for a long time to prove yourself right? Personally, I am. Then again I'm an annoying little bastard that's stupid enough to act as my own lawyer.

Re:It's a sad fact of modern life... (4, Insightful)

selderrr (523988) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823882)

I agree with you, but compare this to the situation in the past : 100 years ago, we had the same issue with industrialists. 200 years ago with big farmers vs small farmers. 300 years ago with big guns vs small guns.
Don't pretend this to be the disease of the 21st century just because we're using the law instead of money or guns. And then again, the laws have always been bent by the guys in charge.

While i don't approve of it, it seems to be the nature of the human beast. It's amazing how we haven't exterminated ourselves.

As a side note : i find the way Berlusconi is CEO of Italy far more frightening than what the US is doing. After all, we europeans excpect US politicians to be puppets in the hands of the big corporations. But Berlusconi is a whole other matter.

Re:It's a sad fact of modern life... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5823979)

Berlusconi isn't a puppet, he's a puppet master. He doesn't represent big business interests, he has the same interests.

Damn italian people can be dumb sometimes. Hopefully this war thing will come back and kick him in the ass.

Re:It's a sad fact of modern life... (1)

selderrr (523988) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824157)

read my post : i said But Berlusconi is a whole other matter.


thats' why i'm so afraid of the situation. In the usa, you know that the bigshots can be kept happy by keeping the public quiet and the bigshots rich. Berlusconi gives the impression that that isn't eonough for him. I mean, the guy is a fucking billionaire ! He's stinking rich. He doesn't need to be prime minister to achieve power & wealth because he allready had those BEFORE he went into politics. The guy is quite hard to pinpoint on the political field.

he does remind be though of a few illustrous 'politicians' 70 years or some ago...

Re:It's a sad fact of modern life... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5823897)

Which is why we should all ditch the WWW and go back to USENET and BBSs.

Re:It's a sad fact of modern life... (3, Interesting)

surprise_audit (575743) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823938)

Recall the DeCSS case. Several dozen named defendants, and several hundred "Does", were threatened in court by the DVD-CCA, acting as a representative of the interests of some of the largest companies on Earth. Whammo, most of the people capitulated, the courts bowed to the pressure of the RIAA's fat pocketbooks, and the DVD-CCA's will became law-- DeCSS is now effectively "illegal".

I realize this is wishful thinking, and way too late, but what do you suppose would have happened if the various DVD-player-for-Windows software houses had taken that lesson to heart and declined to produce their players? Would the sudden lack of legal players for Windows have had a noticeable effect on the MPAA? It would certainly have had some effect on their potential market, but would it have been enough?

Ah well, too late now. And anyway, it would only have required one software house to not give a damn...

BTW, do any of the legal Windows DVD players work well in Linux?

Re:It's a sad fact of modern life... (4, Insightful)

Rick.C (626083) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823944)

Let's face it-- if you run a small and/or non-profit site, and if some company or businessperson with lots of money (or even a moderate amount of money) makes a credible threat to send in the lawyers, you're at least as likely as not to give in to their pressure. It's simple survival instinct-- no one wants to get sued, especially (A) in this economy and (B) by someone with much fatter coffers than themselves.

The issue here is your "comfort zone." If you, a geek, start talking tech in a threatening way to your techno-phobe neighbor, he's not going to argue with you or try to fight back. He's out of his element. Same with a geek who is being intimidated by someone who is law-savvy. We tend to cringe, apologize and hope they go away. The fact that they might be able to hurt us financially makes us take their threats seriously. If they did the same thing to a lawyer they would probably get a far different response.

Think about it - you and you neighbor have a little spat about a fence or a barking dog or something. You threaten to "route his Roadrunner connection through your proxy sniffer and VPN his DoS to every kiddie-porn site in the country." Imagine the expression on his face. What are his options? Hire a techie to defend himself? That costs money. He doesn't even understand what you said, except that it sounds bad and you sound serious. He's gonna fold.

What we really need to do to stop this legal-bullying is to get more familiar with the law.

Re:It's a sad fact of modern life... (1)

CausticWindow (632215) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823985)

More like a sad fact of modern US life.

Anyway, according to the Techdirt folks, they didn't consider a lawsuit when taking this down. Quote:

Please note: we did not remove this info due to the threat of the lawsuit, but simply because we think spam, of any nature is bad. Even if it's against those who practice it on others. I, also, am not sure what sort of lawsuit they could level against us. We did not do this to "play it safe" - because I don't believe there's a real threat. We did this (after some internal discussion on the matter) because we thought it would set a good example.

Re:It's a sad fact of modern life... (1)

JessLeah (625838) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824021)

Not to be dismissive or offensive, but this sounds like a polite way of covering up their shame at their (PERFECTLY RATIONAL) fear of a lawsuit. The fact of the matter is that spammers, as a group, have lots of money; TechDirt (I think) does not. You don't have to be an Einstein to be afraid of the spam-scums, when they routinely buy those fancy big houses in Florida with the pools with their ill-gotten money...

Re:It's a sad fact of modern life... (3, Insightful)

CausticWindow (632215) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824121)

If this is indeed how americans view their legal system, then I think it's time for them (you) to do something to change it.

It's one thing that your only measure of quality of life is wealth, another one entirely that relative amount of money is the only thing separating right from wrong. While the judicial system is no absolute in right vs. wrong in theory, it is in practice.

Re:It's a sad fact of modern life... (2, Insightful)

JessLeah (625838) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824135)

It's mighty easy for someone (an American or otherwise) to throw that idea around, and terribly difficult to actually make it a reality.

The sad fact of the matter is that there hasn't been an effective widespread protest movement since the '60s here in the US. And there won't be any time soon.

The apathy of the American population is growing, not shrinking. Attempting to motivate them to protest anything at all is an exercise in futility.

Not to be a pessimist, but... that's how I see it. YMMV.

The end of Slashdot (5, Funny)

anonymous cowfart (576665) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824022)

Score:5, Offtopic

Okay everybody, the game is over and JessLeah is the winner. Slashdot will now be closed.

LAST POST!

Re:The end of Slashdot (2, Interesting)

JessLeah (625838) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824050)

Heh, I love how negativistic SlashDot's moderation system was on this one. Almost as bad as pessimistic lil' ol' me.

The post started at 2 (cuz I have nice karma), and got a bunch of mod-ups and ONE mod-down ("Offtopic"). So the Slash code did the math and dutifully reported the score as 5 (correct)... and of course focused solely on the fact that my post was modded "Offtopic". Of all the modding done to my post, it only noted the ONE NEGATIVE MOD in the Score line.

And I thought I saw the world through blue-tinted glasses...

sounds like spammers can't take their own medicine (5, Interesting)

prmths (325452) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823824)

This type of story is too common lately. Spammers get their emails discovered, the address is posted and they whine and bitch because they get spam. How about all of us get together and compare notes on which spams we get, find the responsible party and get busy on 'em. After all we are 'hackers' are we not? I'm sure that within the slashdot crowd lies the potential to really deal a blow against spammers. heh
we should launch the friggin holy war of tech against spam.
we have bayesian filters, RBL lists, white lists.. all sorts of tools that only attack the tip of the problem. We all need to get together and destroy the many bases of spam. The US government has its war against terror. We nerds should launch our war against spammers. We are just as capable to fight this war as the US is to fight theirs.

Re:sounds like spammers can't take their own medic (4, Funny)

worst_name_ever (633374) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823843)

We all need to get together and destroy the many bases of spam.

I thought that the war for all the bases wasn't scheduled to start until A.D. 2101 [allyourbase.net] ...

Re:sounds like spammers can't take their own medic (1)

prmths (325452) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823848)

that'd be 'all your base' ;)

"all your spam are belong to marklar"

Re:sounds like spammers can't take their own medic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5823860)

If this happens, watch how quickly every tool you "hackers" create to wage your "war" upon the spammers gets subverted and used against you. Very soon you are exactly the same as the spammers themselves and meanwhile the average users gets caught in the contest of who has the largest penis....

Re:sounds like spammers can't take their own medic (2, Funny)

nurightshu (517038) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824015)

Thankfully, they'll be able to enlarge their penises (penii? :) one to three inches with the new herbal supplement they're e-mailing each other about.

Re:sounds like spammers can't take their own medic (1)

Angry White Guy (521337) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823862)

The problem with this is, especially during this market, it is difficult to authorize IT purchases. Companies are watching their pennies, and additional hardware and software purchases fall to the bottom of the list.

Re:sounds like spammers can't take their own medic (2, Funny)

SanLouBlues (245548) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823932)

I say posting their personal emails all over the place would be a good start. Imagine the irony of accidentally crapflooding yourself.

It'd be hilarious for two weeks until they exclude their own emails in the scripts they use. But then ISPs could red-flag anyone who recieves very low amounts of mail as under suspicion.

moron threatens SourceForgerIE(tm), va lairIE's.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5823828)

PostBlock(tm) device, with indignation suit.

next, it'll be a penguin suit.

the evile wons are plotting .asp we don't speak, to make sure that all yOUR spam comes only from pigs born&raised on Godless greed/fear based pacific crest/wall street of deceit execrable.

Re:moron threatens SourceForgerIE(tm), va lairIE's (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5824090)

Hey, good to see you again. You got a web site or something where I can read more of your writings?

good plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5823830)

That was a good plan, anybody still has the names?

we can take justice in our own hands ... every slashdotter could send them a friendly message, and post their names on every single newsgroup know to man,

of course preferable something with porn ..

post here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5823835)

What would happen if information was posted here?

Or perhaps post it to Usenet and then post the link to the Groups.Google archive here?

Techdirt is in the US? What happens if the info is posted on a server in another country. They have to realize that they can't win in the long run.

An eye for an eye (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5823842)

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.....

(Or at least one-eyed)

Re:An eye for an eye (-1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5823854)

what happened to slashdotters?

I once knew a guy who send out a fake virus warning, through the whole company, worldwide.

He actually received about 5 000 emails, from people telling him it was not a virus, in 1 day.

that was pretty funny

Re:An eye for an eye (1)

slide-rule (153968) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823953)

Everytime I read this quote in a sig here somewhere, all my mind does is see Lenny and Carl from the Simpson's going back and forth...
*poke*
Oww! *poke*
Oww! *poke*
(etc)

Re:An eye for an eye (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5824097)

Is that what the John's are singing about in Cyclops Rock?

And your surprised why? (4, Insightful)

ReTay (164994) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823846)

Just think for a minute what a spammer will do to abuse an ISP or to send you spam. They have all ready proven they are scum. Are you surprised they will abuse the law? But for the money I would say smack them down. I have been thinking of free gifts to send them.
The mind boggels....

Re:And your surprised why? (5, Informative)

prmths (325452) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823874)

speaking of abusing ISP's... I used to run a web hosting company (that failed because i can't sell worth sh*t).. but before i know anything about what i was doing, my mail server was setup as an open relay (i know, i should go to hell) -- but anyways, one day, my server became completely unusable because of the amount of spam they were pumping through my server. I quickly killed the mail server and proceded to start over on it. Soon after, I got listed on RBL lists and finally once my mail server was fixed (btw, smtp auth works wonders) I stopped having problems with the bandwidth thieves and got myself off the RBL lists. I paid for my ignorance... The point is: besides annoying the hell out of EVERYONE in the world, spammers are no more than thieves stealing resources from ISP's --- not like ththe ISP's don't have it coming... but they're still thieves.

Re:And your surprised why? (5, Interesting)

ReTay (164994) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823909)

I beg to differ.
They caused you headaches
To you and your customers they lost the ablilty to send mail with your servers. You probibly lost customers, right?

b. Loss of time to get off the RBL's and to explain it to angry customers.
The people who recieved that spam the other ISPs that paid for the bandwidth and on and on and on
More then simple bandwidth theft.
But then I really hate spammers.

Re:And your surprised why? (-1)

ThatMadeNoSense (651445) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824111)

More then simple bandwidth theft.

That made no sense.

Re:And your surprised why? (1)

hesiod (111176) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824150)

> You probibly lost customers, right?

If an ISP lost customers because their mail server was down for a few hours, they were probably the annoying fuckhead customers that cost more in time for phone support than what they pay monthly.

Re:And your surprised why? (1, Interesting)

apraetor (248989) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824116)

No, ISP's don't "have it coming." That implies they deserve the troubles, which they do not. It might be their fault for having an unsecured mail server, but that doesn't mean they deserve to have it abused. If you forget to lock your front door and I decide to rob you due to that, I'm still guilty of robbery. Sure, you're at fault for not locking the door, but I still made a conscious choice to rob you. (We're presuming of course that locking the door stops all robbery, for the sake of the argument..)

--matt

Re:And your surprised why? (1)

hesiod (111176) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824140)

> I have been thinking of free gifts to send them

Chlorine gas, maybe VX. Moldy slices of Spam ((c), Hormel Corp.) Explosives are too easy to trace...

Google archive? Mirror? (1, Funny)

dejaffa (12279) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823858)

So, is there a Google archive of Techdirt before the information was taken down?
Any chance a mirror site could be put up outside the US?

Just idle questions, you understand, I'm not specifically advocating anything...

yeahright.

Two wrongs don't make a right. (2, Insightful)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823859)

Or as Ghandi said, after awhile, an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.

Re:Two wrongs don't make a right. (2, Funny)

Angry White Guy (521337) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823875)

Then we start on the ears!

Re:Two wrongs don't make a right. (2, Interesting)

nurightshu (517038) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823949)

That's true -- Mohandas Gandhi favored ten eyes for an eye. When the Nawab of Maler Kotla issued an edict demanding ten Muslims dead for every Hindu killed in the state, Mr. Nonviolent-Resistance gave it his blessing. Oh, and let's not forget the fact that up until World War I, he was just fine being an officer in the British Army (fought in the Boer Wars and the Zulu wars). Or that he let his wife die because he didn't want her to receive a penicillin injection to fight her pneumonia (hey, the guy had his principles). Of course, those principles didn't extend to refusing the quinine that saved his life when he was suffering from malaria.

Not to jump all over you in particular, Joe, it's just that I'm sick and tired of everybody talking about Gandhi like he wasn't a total dick. I mean, Christ, the guy told the Jews that they would be better off killing themselves than resisting the Nazis.

Sources: Richard Grenier's article "The Gandhi Nobody Knows," published in the March 1983 Commentary, and William L. Shirer's Gandhi: A Memoir (1979).

Re:Two wrongs don't make a right. (1)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824037)

I admit I don't know shit about Ghandi(sheesh, I guess noone's perfect), but I do like the quote because I hate hypocrisy.

Re:Two wrongs don't make a right. (1)

nurightshu (517038) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824083)

Like I said, it wasn't a personal attack on you. I just think that Gandhi getting all preachy about revenge is a freakin' riot. You know, "Pot, this is Kettle. Kettle, Pot..." I hate hypocrisy as much as the next guy (and I'm guilty of it myself sometimes), but Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ, nobody who sanctions ten murders for every one should be allowed to look down on Lex Talionis.

Sorry if it came off like I was bashing you -- that really wasn't my intent, and I'm usually harmless.

no. (1)

Unominous Coward (651680) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823863)

Two wrongs don't make a right. If we are to take a stance against spammers, we have to practise what we preach, and that means that we don't spam anyone.

If somebody punches you, do you punch them straight back? Do you think doing so would leave you with any credibility?

"An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind".

Re:no. (2, Insightful)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823908)

> If somebody punches you, do you punch them straight back?
That depends if he has friends with guns. :)

> Do you think doing so would leave you with any credibility?
Depends.

So a burgular breaks in and punches you. You beat him up enough so that he flees. The wife is happy because now your home is safe. You gained credibility for not being a wimp.

Re:no. (1)

Zebidiah (573736) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823912)

" Two wrongs don't make a right. If we are to take a stance against spammers, we have to practise what we preach, and that means that we don't spam anyone. " We don't. We just sign them up for spam. They'd be doing it to themselves.

Re:no. (2, Funny)

spot35 (644375) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823940)

Agreed, two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do...

What kind of idiot are you? (2, Interesting)

Baron_Yam (643147) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823948)

If somebody punches me (and I didn't deserve it)... I'd do whatever it took to ensure he never hit me again.

What would you do, Mr. Idealist? Stand there and take it while saying, "Please don't do that!"? Perhaps if you one day end up lying on the ground in a pool of your own blood you'll rethink this and consider that MAYBE you should have defended yourself.

Ask yourself. "Re:What kind of idiot are you?" (1)

Unominous Coward (651680) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824023)

What would you do, Mr. Idealist? Stand there and take it while saying, "Please don't do that!"?

When it comes to something like spam, you don't need to take into account your human instinct to survive. Spam won't kill you.

Even if my analogy is flawed in that respect, the principle still stands. In the long run, no problem will get solved if both sides keep escalating the conflict and spam is certainly not an exception. If you give the spammers enough reason, they *will* escalate the problem and the only way to catch them when they escalate it, will be to introduce draconian laws that will hurt everybody.

Perhaps if you one day end up lying on the ground in a pool of your own blood you'll rethink this and consider that MAYBE you should have defended yourself.

That's a baseless prophecy. What makes you think I wouldn't defend myself?

Re:no. (1)

ReTay (164994) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823958)

Signing them up for free catalogs is hardly the same thing. Makeing them pay for it would be an eye for an eye. Most people have to pay for their access correct? In some countries access is metered. Mabey theft is not exactly right for the end user part of spam but it still costs you money.
Some food for thought.
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id =20011128

Re:no. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5824104)

"An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind".

The originator of this quote obviously didn't understand the philosophy behind "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". It's a little thing called "the punishment should fit the crime".

It's sad to see wisdom lost for the sake of a witty one liner...

So the only question is... (1)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823873)

How long untill their info shows up in this slashdot thread?

Re:So the only question is... (1)

ReTay (164994) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824043)

Less then 10mn not to bad... Heh

Re:So the only question is... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5824152)

It's "less than" and "not too bad."

the motto (2, Insightful)

VanillaCoke420 (662576) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823887)

"Let me spam in peace," or
"I hate spam, please let me spam you"

Spam makes the world go round... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5823888)

...because it is important in the "production" of money. Commercials keep the TV alive. Spam the internet. There doesn't exist open source/free hardware that doesn't require administration, yet. So, don't bite the hand that feeds your hobby.

an eye for an eye (1, Funny)

jadriaen (560723) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823895)

"An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth."
In general I really don't believe or support this principle, but in the case of spamming spammers, it is really really tempting.

Huh. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5823899)

You know you've become a jaded websurfer when you see a picture of some chick taking a big steaming dump on a clown holding a Bible and think: Damn, she's wearing some ugly-ass shoes.

No more net for me. I come back, one week.

There is no question that they deserve it. (5, Interesting)

Baron_Yam (643147) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823916)

That if spammers had what most slashdotters considered a fully-functional mind, the old "giving them a dose of their own medicine" routine would wise them up.

Since spammers seem to have selective ethics at best, all we can really do is enjoy them drowning in their own kind of filth for a while without the warm fuzzy that they're actually learning their lesson.

I firmly believe that people who engage in anti-social behaviour that negatively affects their social group should be subjected to appropriate retribution from the affected group... I'm very disappointed that as I post this, I have yet to see someone suitably sleuthful track down and post the censored information.

The BEST way to stop spammers (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5823919)

Folks, spammers are the messengers. You can shoot them all day and the spam will keep coming.

The target must be those who hire the spammers. After all, spammers are doing this for the money. No money, no spam.

Target the spammers income stream.

Re:The BEST way to stop spammers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5824089)

Best way to do that is to clobber the sites they direct you to, DDOS style.

Okay, bring 'em on (5, Interesting)

chazzf (188092) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823920)

Alyxsandra Sachs
112 Catamaran St
Marina Del Rey, CA 90292-5769
(310)578-1728

Sue me. I'm a poor college student with plenty of free time and malicious friends. Make my day.

Re:Okay, bring 'em on (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5824030)

what college whats deep thought it mentions cmu i have a friend there in cs

Re:Okay, bring 'em on (1)

I)_MaLaClYpSe_(I (447961) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824034)

W00h000!

Has anybody written that "DOS via SnailMail Skript" yet that Bruce Schneier mentioned in his last Cryptogram? It would come in kinda handy right now.

Im talking about this DOS Attack Via US Postal Service [slashdot.org] /. thread...

Also, if someone could please verify that address belongs _really_ to a known spammer. And an email address would also be cool.

Re:Okay, bring 'em on (1)

Omkar (618823) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824049)

Since this guy doesn't like "opt-in" spam, or information on valuable oppotunities, say it with mail-bombs.

Re:Okay, bring 'em on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5824051)

Excellent. I am generally not one in favor of forms of destructive retribution (death penalty, etc.) but in the case of spam I will sell my ideals out.

I think that the more often this happens, the more likely that some of the small fish will be scared away; but unfortunately I don't think this will help stop some of the biggest spammers who go to great lengths to keep their identities secret. To stop them, I think the best thing we can hope for is legislation.

Re:Okay, bring 'em on (5, Informative)

akadruid (606405) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824105)

in case anyone lacks the imagination, some good places to start might be:
Free Catalogues! [google.com]
Free Samples! [google.com]
Free Magazine Trials! [google.com]
my favourite:
Free Serenity Pads! [young-america.com]
and a load more here...
Free Stuff! [thefreesite.com] More Free Stuff! [freestuffcenter.com] More Free Stuff! [1freestuff.com] More Free Stuff! [freestuffcentral.com] More Free Stuff! [totallyfreestuff.com] More Free Stuff! [free-n-cool.com] More Free Stuff! [justfreestuff.com] More Free Stuff! [freechannel.net] More Free Stuff! [free-stuff.com] More Free Stuff! [freestuffpage.com]

A free gift for anyone who signs him up for more than 100!! Just post your address...

It is our duty to reward them for making a stand for spammers everywhere. These free items will come in handy for filling the extra space in those big houses.

Re:Okay, bring 'em on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5824113)

How about his web page (offline so it is a google page.)
I love google

http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:oROkYmh-m8I C: www.netglobalmedia.com/+netglobalmarketing&hl=en&i e=UTF-8

from google (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5823927)

http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:5ZxgA2bz1tUJ: www.techdirt.com/articles/20030424/2023243_F.shtml +techdirt+spammer+times+site:techdirt.com&hl=en&ie =UTF-8

and

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20030424/202324 3_ F.shtml

not the original, but has the links to the spammers involved.

Spammers are scum (2, Insightful)

rf0 (159958) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823941)

Plain and simple spammers are scum. They steal, in terms of using open relay servers and other peoples bandwidth. The lie in that 99.9% of the things they sell don't work. They cheat in trying to hide information. Also taking the amount of spam I get can make it really hard to filter the good from the bad even with filtering each and every message

Rus

New York Times culpability for attacking spammers (4, Interesting)

GGardner (97375) | more than 11 years ago | (#5823977)

I was surprised to read the article in the paper about these guys -- the NYT actually printed their picture.

I wonder if the NYT hates spam as much as the rest of us do, and knows that publishing articles about specific spammers will cause certain unpleasantnesses for those spammers?

Spam makes the world go round... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5823997)

...because it is important in the "production" of money. Commercials keep the TV alive. Spam the internet. There doesn't exist open source/free hardware that doesn't require administration, yet. So, don't bite the hand that feeds your hobby.

I wonder whose e-mail addy this might be? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5824004)

alyx@netglobalmarketing.com Maybe we should find out. Maybe we should help the person at this address find some great deals on genetalia enhancement or how to make money fast! Perhaps they can use a college degree!

What happens (4, Interesting)

tmark (230091) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824078)

Sure it's funny to imagine that these spammers are themselves getting deluged with spam. But what happens if some nutcase firebombs their house, abducts their children, or murders their wife, as a direct result of seeing of the spammers' "outing" ?

Would it be funny or just then ?

I like the modified Golden Rule. (0)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 11 years ago | (#5824079)

Assume that person x is following the Golden Rule. So person x would want the same done back. So you being a nice person knowing that he likes the same being done back to him, you help person x out.
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