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Apple Introduces iTunes Music Store, iTunes 4, new iPod

pudge posted more than 11 years ago | from the mmmmm-usic dept.

Music 1775

Steve Jobs took to the stage at Moscone Center today for a special Apple Event, and introduced Apple's new music service, "iTunes Music Store," which will allow users to download music in the AAC format for $.99 per song, and is built-in to iTunes 4. The service offers 200,000 tracks and counting, with unlimited CD burning for personal use. iTunes 4 also adds playlist sharing, and the new iPod add new features, including a new design, a dock, and USB 2.0.The iTunes Music Service files are 128 kbps AAC (reportedly better than 128 kbps MP3), with free previews, cover art, and "reliable downloads." You can browse the music store in iTunes, similarly to browsing your own Library, and preview them directly in iTunes. "One-click shopping" allows you to purchase the song and download it, adding it to your Library, in one click.

The store also offers exclusive music, music videos, and other multimedia, all in the main iTunes window. iTunes 4 will be available now (along with QuickTime 6.2), and the music store will be available today. It is Mac-only now, but will be available for Windows by the end of the year.

As a compromise to help prevent piracy, you must change your playlist every 10 CD burns, and you may share the music with only three other Macs (you may modify the list of computers that the music may be shared with at any time). There was no word on the technology used to handle this DRM.

The iTunes playlist sharing allows sharing of playlists, and the streaming of music from one machine to the other, though copying is not supported ("that would be verboten," Jobs added).

The new iPods will be $299 (10GB), $399 (15GB), and $499 (30GB). The dock holds the iPod upright, and has a line-out. The FireWire port is now on the bottom of the unit, and the buttons have been moved up higher, just below the screen, in a row. The improved screen features a backlight. The new units will be in Apple stores on Friday.

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1775 comments

hi (-1)

Sexual Asspussy (453406) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826432)

suck it!

hi! (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826478)

Wow, my government denies me civil liberties and the world is on the brink of WW3. But Apple introduced iTunes, so there's nothing to worry about! Love it or leave it, hippies.

hi! (-1)

Real World Stuff (561780) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826613)

This is a great idea, too bad it is on such a faggy OS. I fire up the ol' mac whenever I need to get in touch with my feminine side.

The first songs available (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826436)

Will all be by hippy favorites such as the Grateful Dead and Phish. Damn dirty hippies.

The obvious question (-1, Troll)

goon america (536413) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826440)

I'm going to ask the question everyone was thinking but didn't want to ask: when will this be available for porn?

The *really* obvious question (1)

Hacker Cracker (204131) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826589)

... is how long will it be before someone wants to unlock their legally purchased AAC music and writes "unfuckAAC"?

<Speculation>But then again, maybe most Macheads won't care...</Speculation>

-- Shamus

Bleah!

Why not... (1, Funny)

swordboy (472941) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826442)

Why don't they just buy a record label and be done with it?

Re:Why not... (1)

Piquan (49943) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826491)

Because a long time ago, they agreed not to enter that business. Hit google, find out why "sosumi" was their first sound's name.

Its about farking time! (4, Insightful)

CokeBear (16811) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826452)

Its about time someone started selling music the way people want it... one song at a time. Even better that its from a cool company like Apple.

Re:Its about farking time! (2, Insightful)

RevRagnarok (583910) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826526)

I think the problem with 'one song at a time' is that is not how the revenue model (which IMHO needs to be changed anyway) is set up for the current music industry. The general idea is to get you hooked on the one to three songs they release on the radio (which you are listening to for free, ahem, I mean for your time listening to commercials) so you will go out and buy the full album, where you make the (sometimes incorrect) assumption that you would like most of the other tracks.
  • - RR
PS. I like parenthesis! ;)

Re:Its about farking time! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826550)

The way people want it? Like how everyone in your house with a computer has to buy their own copy of a song/album if your computer isn't on/connected/available? You mean like the way each song records which computers are authorized to play a certain song, how many times a song has been burned, and how many times a song has been played? You mean the fact that most independent and rare music is not available because apple only has deals with the big 5 record companies producing arguably the worst music in the world? You have a bizarre idea of what music lovers want.

Yeah but for $1 a song? (-1, Flamebait)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826566)



Thats too expensive. Sorry but I'm already priced out of that market. No song is worth $1.

I wont pay more than 0.50 for any song. Especially a 128bitrate song, that should be 25 cent.

A lesson in economics. (2, Insightful)

I Am The Owl (531076) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826646)

Earth to HanzoSan: They don't care, we don't care.

They know that they can't get tightwad cheapskates like you to pay for music, you're not their target audience. The people they are targetting are those who have real, actual money to spend and happen to like the convenience of being able to buy just one song, instead of a whole album of questionable merit. What this means for you, in practical terms, is that you will no longer have to shell out for the whole "Gay Dance Beats Mix XVII" album, but rather just download "YMCA" and "In the Navy". If you weren't a tightwad, that is.

Re:Its about farking time! (1)

foobar3149 (628047) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826612)

RoadRunner/Time Warner has been doing this for a while with the RoadRunner Rhapsody service. I have not used it, so I have no idea how good it is.

Re:Its about farking time! (3, Informative)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826643)

Its about time someone started selling music the way people want it... one song at a time.

IIRC eMusic was doing this several years ago.

It will be wonderful (-1, Flamebait)

krog (25663) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826454)

...when the big companies like Apple and MS stop giving us what they want (IE doesn't block popups; new Apple service uses protected AAC format; etc) instead of what we want.

parent was truncated (0, Troll)

krog (25663) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826500)

here's more.

I would like to see a leading company have the balls to offer a commercial mp3 solution. It's what all customers would prefer; why are we forced, then, to use this .AAC crap?

Apple is dying. There's no space for them in the market, if they ignore their already few customers.

Re:It will be wonderful (5, Insightful)

silentbozo (542534) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826517)

You think the record companies would have let Apple license their libraries without using some sort of protected format? Even so, Apple lets you burn UNLIMITED copies of the tracks you've bought (up to 10 times with the exact same playlist, tweak it a bit, and burn another 10 times.) Plus, Apple is pitching AAC as an advantage for the consumer - whether it is or isn't, you can't deny that the Apple service is the least restrictive of any available music service out there today.

Re:It will be wonderful (2, Interesting)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826556)

You will be expecting to pay for what we want. If you dont want to pay for it then you can settle with what they want. A lot of this stuff isnt cheap to give away, they might as well take the advantage and push the designs that they like themselfs. This is not really an Evil thing. It is just buisness sience. They are tring to sell their products. And make money. You make it sound like a bad thing.

Re:It will be wonderful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826561)

or you can be a moron like you.

aac does have controls, you didn't think this was never gonna happen did you? you moron. itunes also has a great mp3 encoder. i wonder if you can go from aac and convert them to mp3? fag.

A COMPANY LIKE APPLE CANNOT ENDORSE P2P
no big company can, your thoughts, and your VERY BREATH ARE A WASTE

mmm, iPod (-1, Troll)

Neophytus (642863) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826456)

I'm looking for a gang to steal a lorryful for myself. Anyone interested?

Thank god I just sold my mac (0, Troll)

Nutcase (86887) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826464)

I quite literally shipped my mac to it's new owner about an hour ago. I used the cash to build a nice athlon shuttle pc which will run linux from scratch style system dualboot w/ winXP for games/audiorecording, and spent the rest on some new guitar gear. I can't even imagine what my iTunes music bill would have looked like, nor what the constant invasion of "buy now" on my every day apps would have done to my mental state.

Glad I escaped before my entire computing experience was turned into a shopping mall.

Re:Thank god I just sold my mac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826572)

Wow. I guess i forgot where I was posting. Flamebait AND Troll. Amazing. Especially since I was serious AND telling the truth. But hey, sorry to rain on your parade.

Re:Thank god I just sold my mac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826636)

YOU SHOULD KILL YOURSELF

the "mall" of mac is paradice in comparison to PC land where with your buy one get 2 free after you click on this banner, and as long as you call microsoft for activation.

if you think you were trapped in a format before, just wait till windows doesn't let you use competitive software, and i wonder how it feels to sign and EULA that says the operating system provider has the right to change the contents of your pc without consent (see the XP EULA vs. Open source GPL thred)

ohh by the way, protools and other leading audio applications are just as good as there mac counterparts;)
just kidding!

aren't you glad you saved your money!?
kill yourself and stop wasting the thinking peoples oxygen.

Wow (1)

lexarius (560925) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826467)

Thats a very small 30 gig drive. Hmmm... the 5 gig model might be in my price range now...

Re:Wow (2, Informative)

teeters (598722) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826639)

According to the Apple web site, the cheapest iPod they are selling is the 10GB for $299.

Not too bad price wise (4, Interesting)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826468)

Here is a solution.

I love singles and think paying $20 for an album with just one good single is silly.

If I owned a mac I would support Apple just to show the RIAA what consumers really want. DRM will not help but more modest pricing.

I do wonder how many record labels are signing up with this service though? They make money ripping people off and this may cut into their profits.

Re:Not too bad price wise (1)

dissy (172727) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826598)

> I do wonder how many record labels are signing up with this service though? They
> make money ripping people off and this may cut into their profits.

They make zero to little money if noone buys their stuff in the first place :)

Its the same as the current price minus quality (-1, Flamebait)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826610)



Why downgrade quality and pay the same price?
Dont accept this $1 a song crap, thats still ripping us off, 0.50 a song is fair, about the price of a bag of chips.

Re:Not too bad price wise (1)

Vej (199488) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826617)

Because, outwardly, they complain about how profits are hit and etc.

Privately, they know how people really want it and what drives sells. If they think they'll actually get some sales and they "know" it's not going to be an exclusive ripping schme(ie, someone's not going to paid $10k for all the songs and send out hundreds of free cds)...they might just think about going for it.

Under the table of course, if that's possible :)

Still kinda expensive... (3, Insightful)

Sebby (238625) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826471)

[Obligatory warning: I'll be talking about the price as compared to a complete album, not individual songs]

At $0.99 (US) a song, this is still expensive, considering you still don't get original quality of the song (yeah yeah, sounds the exact same, blah blah; but there are times it's better to have the hi-quality original then a compressed format when doing editings, etc...), or a physical media, or the physical cover/lyrics, all in a jewel case...

Considering I'd have to add another $0.25 (I'm guessing here, I'm in Canada) for a CD-R, I still would be missing 2 things above at the same cost, especially considering some CDs have 'extras', which I do like. The 'convenience' factor doesn't make up for that either; I can still just drop by the retail shop next door when doing my grocery shopping (or the used store across the street).

If it was 2/3 that price, then I'd definitely say it's worth it. But for now, I think they missed their own mark.

I'll pass for now.

Re:Still kinda expensive... (1)

GORDOOM (149962) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826527)

I wonder if that's why they're not doing this service internationally yet. IIRC, most CDs are more expensive in the US than in Canada, because of the exchange rate. So maybe they're trying to figure out a way around this, and a way to offer this in currencies other than US dollars.

Re:Still kinda expensive... (0)

johnnyp123 (554301) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826624)

from watching the video stream, if you buy the full album (instead of just 1 song) it is a different rate. The demo shown was that of an Elvis album priced at $9.95 USD. This album had about 20 tracks on it, totalling roughly $.50 a song.

On the other hand... (4, Insightful)

somethingwicked (260651) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826626)

With a broadband connection and a decent speed burner...MOST people could have the song downloaded and burned to a CD BEFORE you get your keys in the ignition.

SO you say? Well, you could be listening to the song ON THE WAY to the grocery store.

Add to the fact that its likely that you would have to stand in line at the music store AND, oh yeah, you would still be paying $10 or up for that physical CD.

Oh, and you go to the grocery store EVERY day, too, right???

Really, this isn't more convenient???

(BTW, I am saying all this given the facts that I don't have ANY of the things mentioned-high speed ISP, burner, or an Apple. But IF I did, I would find this DAMN convenient)

itunes store + local bands = mp3.com done right (5, Insightful)

redherring22 (579425) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826473)

I'm seriously thinking of going home early from work just to play with these new toys... wow, Apple, you've done it again.

one of the first things that popped into my head however was that this could also be a huge benefit to small & up-and-coming artists... i wonder if apple has something in the works to allow 'local-scale' bands to get added to the apple store, even if they're limited to their own romper room for local musicians. kinda like mp3.com done even better. (apple, if you need some help, i'd be glad to offer my services :-D )

Re:itunes store + local bands = mp3.com done right (4, Interesting)

mcwop (31034) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826563)

I had the same exact thought. Let other smaller labels or independent artits sell their wares. I would like to see a label like Dischord (assuming they are not on now) be on this platform. They could even set different (lower) prices (25 cents?) to make their stuff attractive. Apple could even charge a reasonable fee for independents to get on the platform.

Re:itunes store + local bands = mp3.com done right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826590)

kazaa is better for artists. Mp3's play on all platforms.

Fair use (4, Insightful)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826480)

Seems like apple has taken the concept of fair use to heart. E.g. I can stream music to a few freinds but not to my whol building or neighoorhhod. freindly Narrow casting okay, broadcasting is not fair use.

this is such a painfully obvious compromise, why has the music industry been such a grinch about it?

Re:Fair use (2, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826581)

>> why has the music industry been such a grinch about it?

Because, as the saying goes, if you give an inch they'll take a mile.

Every big server on kazaa will just claim they have 100,000 friends a month.

Common sense is sorely lacking on both sides of the fence.

7 Degrees... (4, Insightful)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826652)

Isn't that the whole thing with P2P? Each of us has unique friends that have unique friends that have unique friends...
If I stream a song to my friend, and he streams it to his friend, and so on we are just passing the song out to the whole net for the price of $1.
Someone will design a P2P software that only allows you to share your music to your select 'friends' and it will cause a network of P2P nodes that will become the Napster of the future. On the surface, it will look like a much more local version, but the big picture will show us that its just as big as the original.

This is the big "Music to my ears" announcement? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826483)

Apple has some more shiny widgets to try and hock?

Wow. That's certainly deserving of all the hype. A new iPod. Woooooo

BTW, I can pay an average of a buck a song at Best Buy and not be saddled with a crippled and lesser quality copy.

Re:This is the big "Music to my ears" announcement (1)

darkgreen (599556) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826616)

I can pay an average of a buck a song at Best Buy and not be saddled with a crippled and lesser quality copy.

By all means, then, go do it. Not everybody uses Grocery Gateway, either.

hell, not everybody uses Linux, but i'm thinking it's nice to have alternatives.

should be per MB or per song minute charge (2, Interesting)

steelerguy (172075) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826485)

some cd's have intro or little skit song throughout the cd. i don't wan to have to pay $1 for a 30 second intro or skit. of course i don't have to, but then again i will never have the entire cd. for a cd that is 60 mins but 20 tracks it is a bit much. still worth just ordering online and paying shipping.

a per mb or per song minute charge would take care of this. or at least special pricing if you want an entire cd. i guess this is more for people who are just d/l'ing a few songs not the entire cd.

Re:should be per MB or per song minute charge (0, Troll)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826518)

At a buck a song, I have a 'Ramones greatest hits' that'd cost about 60 bucks for the lesser-quality Apple version.

Mac fanatics seem to really like spending money, so they'll lap this shit up. They're the kind of customers most corporations would kill for.

Re:should be per MB or per song minute charge (1, Insightful)

kwerle (39371) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826559)

Gotta keep in mind this is an initial rollout and announcement. They MAY actually allow you to buy "an album" at a time for some discount at some future date...

Re:should be per MB or per song minute charge (5, Informative)

funwithstuff (555638) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826653)

They MAY actually allow you to buy "an album" at a time for some discount at some future date...

They do right now. $9.99/album.

Gotta wish 'em luck... (3, Interesting)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826487)

At long last we're seeing some innovations in this space that are designed around making a wide variety of music available for download and portable use by the consumer. The jury won't be in for at least a year, I'd think, as to whether this works for all parties involved...

AAC Format? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826488)

What's wrong with OGG?

Oh, this is meant for people buying Apple computers. Nevermind then.

In other news! (5, Funny)

smartin (942) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826494)

Hackers announce breaking Apple DRM, details to follow.

Changes. (1)

heldlikesound (132717) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826495)

How appropriate that Jobs played "Changes" by Bowie. This is a great day for music lovers, and more importantly, for the musicans themselves. Finally a system that with fairly lax restrictions, and they signed agreements with ALL FIVE of the biggest record compants.

My only concern is that Apple come up with a system by which smaller labels (which comprise 90% of my music) can participate, labels like Saddle Creek, Arena Rock, Vagrant, Kill Rock Stars, Tooth and Nail, etc....

Overall, I am thrilled, Apple may be a corporatation, but I do believe they are the least evil of the big ones.

Re:Changes. (1)

steelerguy (172075) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826576)

Overall, I am thrilled, Apple may be a corporatation, but I do believe they are the least evil of the big ones.

Reminded me of Usual Suspects for some reason...The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. :)

On independent artists and the iTunes Music Store (5, Insightful)

GORDOOM (149962) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826497)

Here's my big question:

Will artists be able to place their music on the iTunes Music Store on their own, independently of a recording company?

If so, then this could be absolutely huge for independent artists. :)

$1 per song is too expensive! (-1, Troll)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826502)



0.50 per song and under and I'd say its good but thats too expensive.

Also why no wireless features? If I have to go online to get my music why shouldnt I juse use Kazaa? I want to be able to download music while I'm walking around outside.

Not in the publics interest (2, Interesting)

RobPiano (471698) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826507)

$0.99 USD Is too pricy. It is more than the cost of the average cd and the AAC encoding is a lossy format. Perhaps if they offer better deals on albums or bulk songs this is a good deal. As it stands, music is too expensive already.

This looks like a nice stand politically, but its really just a chance to gouge the consumer market as the first big dog in.

Besides, I'm of the, "Go to my concert, I'll give you the CD" philosophy.

Rob

Re:Not in the publics interest (4, Insightful)

bmetzler (12546) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826571)

$0.99 USD Is too pricy. It is more than the cost of the average cd and the AAC encoding is a lossy format. Perhaps if they offer better deals on albums or bulk songs this is a good deal. As it stands, music is too expensive already.

I thought an average CD was $16. That's 16 tracks. Not out of the ballpark. Plus, I thought the biggest complaint was having to buy a whole CD for just one to two good tracks. That's only $2. What's the problem with that?

-Brent

No deal (2, Interesting)

sulli (195030) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826515)

Okay, this is less bad than previous pay-per-song services, but it's still not acceptable. You can't do any of the following legal things without significant loss of quality:

play bought tunes on a non-iPod player such as Archos or Rio

stream bought tunes to a SliMP3 or Audiotron

play bought tunes on your Windows or Linux PC

burn bought tunes on an MP3-CD for use in the car or a DVD player

switch to another client other than iTunes (e.g. Audion) for your Mac music experience

broadcast bought tunes using Shoutcast
So, despite the convenience, I think it will not compare to either ripping CDs or downloading from less-than-legal services. Too bad.

Re:No deal (5, Insightful)

stewby18 (594952) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826629)

Maybe I'm missing something, but I didn't see anything that would keep people from:

  1. Burning an audio CD with bought songs
  2. Ripping it back off the CD to a (somewhat lower quality) mp3 file
  3. Doing anything they want with that mp3 file

So how is this any worse than having the CD?

Re:No deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826640)

Who said you can't? Burn bought tunes onto a CD and re-rip them into MP3 and do whatever you want to do with them.

Music Store only available in the U.S. (2, Insightful)

roc_machine (314714) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826520)

Quote from the website:

"The iTunes Music Store is only available in the U.S."

Interesting how they say "in the U.S.", and not "to U.S. customers". Does this mean it does some sort of IP check and won't allow you to enter based on that?

Either way, Canadians are shut out yet again. Shit... first Tivo, now this.

Re:Music Store only available in the U.S. (1)

GORDOOM (149962) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826558)

IIRC, it's based on the billing address of your credit card.

Re:Music Store only available in the U.S. (1)

weeeee (196575) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826632)

It requires a U.S Credit Card with a U.S Billing Address. You can look all you want if you are outside U.S, but you can't buy anything.

Guess he was right. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826521)

Anybody remember this? [slashdot.org] Seems like he knew exactly what he was talking about.

ACC to MP3/OGG Converter (2, Interesting)

elysian1 (533581) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826522)

How long before someone comes out with an ACC to MP3 or ACC to OGG converter?

Re:ACC to MP3/OGG Converter (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826633)

They sell them at Radio Shack. It's a small plug with a male stereo miniplug connector on each side.

I'm glad I'm Canadian... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826523)

...what? Service available only in the U.S.? NOOOOooooo!

Seriously now, I was ready with my credit card to sign up for this service but will probably have to wait ages while the Canadian subsidiaries and industry groups resolve their differences to get this service rolling in Canada. I honestly think that Apple has added enough value over regular P2P or IRC mp3 mining to make me change my habits. I guess I'll either have to wait for Canadian service or get access to an American-based credit card somehow.

I like apple for stuff like this, tsarkon reports (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826529)

man, i like apple for stuff like this. i just upgraded my mac with sonnet upgrades. and i got my g3 to be a g4, and i use darwin and do all sorts of cool things with apple. and i like my ipod a lot too. my dad and i realy get along grate with these two apples in the house and the ipods, we download music and watch disney movies and stuff and make simba from teh lion king do all sorts of neat things. i even have this cool online alterego my dad helped me to setup, tsarkon,. anyays i wanted to let everyone know that apple s really cool. we saw steve jobs at and apple show and he refused to appear to sign autopraphs but me and my dad still like him. you know, he creates the slowers, shbittiest fucking hardware on the face of the earth, his operating systems are a fucking sham with broken userlands and shitty fucking hardware, and his pussy shit is scsiless now and i hate fucking apple. and you know what, steve jobs is features on the wall street journal. apple is languishing and fucking up and he has to buy media companies to distract shareholders from the trusth, apple has shit software, shit hardware, and market share is descreasing and they are losing the education market. you know what song i made in honor of a faggot jobs on my computer? hjere it is::
You could have a cream train (0:32)
If you'd just lay down some pipe (0:39)
You could have an anus di-iii-lating (0:44)
If you bring your big sexy backside (0:49)

All you do is call me (0:52)
I'll be anything you need (0:57)
You could have a big stiffy (1:02)
Going up and down, all around your rim (1:09)
You could have a humping fag humping! (1:14)
This amusement never ends (1:19)
I want to be... your Poopchute-hammer! (1:25)
Why don't you call my name, ahhhhhhhhh (1:30) (note: ahh is a girly fag-bitch screech)
Oh let me be your Poopchute-hammer! (1:35)
This will be my testimony (1:41)

Hey - hey! (1:45)

Show me round your fruitcage (1:52)
'Cause I will be your semen bee (1:58)
Open up your fruitcage (2:02)
Where the semen is as sweet as can be (2:09)

I want to be.... your Poopchute-hammer! (2:15)
Why don't you call my name, ahhhhh (2:21) (note: ahh is a girly fag-bitch screech)
You'd better call the Poopchute-hammer (2:25)
Put your mind at rest (2:29)
I'm going to be.... the Poopchute-hammer! (2:35)
This can be my testimony, ahhhhhh (2:41) (note: ahh is a girly fag-bitch screech)
I'm your.... Poopchute-hammer! (2:45)
Let there be no doubt about it (2:50)

Poo! (2:51) POO! (2:53) Poopchute-hammer! (2:59)

Beowaaawoooweeoooooohooooooooo!!! (3:01) NOTE: Chorus of Flaring Flaming Butt Trumpets
Beowaaawoooweeoooooohooooooooo!!! (3:06)
Beowaaawoooweeoooooohooooooooo!!! (3:11)
Beowaaawoooweeoooooohooooooooo!!! (3:17)

I get it right (3:20)
I've kicked the habit (3:22)
Kicked the habit!!!, kicked the habit!!! (3:24) Note: Colored Girl Chorus
Shed my fore-skin, Shed my fore-skin (3:30) Note: Colored Girl Chorus
This is the new white-stuff (3:32)
This is the new white-stuff!!! (3:34) Note: Colored Girl Chorus
I go dancing in poop (3:37)
We go dancing in poop!!! (3:39) Note: Colored Girl Chorus
Oh, won't you poo for me (3:42)
Poo for me!!! (3:44) Note: Colored Girl Chorus

I will poo for you (3:47)
Poo for you!!! (3:49) Note: Colored Girl Chorus
Unnnnngh, Poo for me (3:52)
Poo for me!!! Note: Colored Girl Chorus
I will poo for you!! (3:57)
Yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do mean you!!! (4:00)
Poo for me!!! (4:02) Note: Colored Girl Chorus
Only you (4:04)
You've been coming through! (4:06)
I feel you ASSRAMMER!!! (4:09) NOTE: Now begins a cacophony of screaming and grunting like pigs buttfucking.
Poo for you!!!
A-gonna build that stiffy
Build, build up that stiffy, hey Poo for me (4:18)
I've been feeding on jizzum
I've been feeding on jizzum
Poo for you
Going to feel that stiffy, yeah, stiffy in you, ha Poo for me Come on, come on, help me do
Come on, come on, help me do
Poo for you Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you Poo for me (4:30)
I've been feeding on jizzum
I've been feeding on jizzum
Poo for you It's what we're doing, doing All day and night

Poopchute-hammer

Any word on Universal? (1)

Plix (204304) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826534)

Was there any mention about the rumors of Apple picking up Universal?

That's $0.99 too much for me (0)

www!!!1 (662326) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826536)

I listen to all my music in .ogg format. I download for free to try em out (usually mp3 cause all the assholes on those services never have .oggs), and if I like what I hear, I buy the cd and rip to oggs. I'm not going to pay to get a digital only copy of something.

could this be bad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826541)

Bear with me. The typical refrain from file sharers is "I only wanted one song", or "I wouldn't have bought the CD, so they're not losing a sale", or "The record companies don't offer a way to download music, so I use gnutella".

Well, now there is a legitimate way to purchase just an individual song. Now, slashdotters will have to admit they're stealing. If P2P file swapping continues, the MPAA will probably (successfully :() lobby congress to make it illegal, and easier to prosecute.

Except it is never theft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826638)

"Well, now there is a legitimate way to purchase just an individual song. Now, slashdotters will have to admit they're stealing."

It is impossible to steal by downloading a song. Or two. Or 100. It just does not meet the definition of actual theft. How can it, when nothing is stolen. It might be copyright infringement, but it is not theft, arson, carjacking, or murder.

Does Apple Get A Cut? (2)

superid (46543) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826544)

I can't find it in the article, I'll read it again, it was probably obvious....Does Apple get a cut of that buck?

Ali G's mac problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826555)

I don't would dig to start da holy war in da house, but wus da deal wiv yous mac fanatics? i've bin sittin in da house hat me freelance gig in front hof da mac (a 8600/300 w/64 megs hof ram) fe about 20 minutes now while hit attempts to copy da 17 meg file from one folda on da ard drive to anotha folda. 20 minutes. hat turf, on me pentium pro 200 runnin nt 4, which by all standards should be nuff slowa dan dis mac, da same operashun would take about 2 minutes. if dat. in addishun, durin dis file transfa, netscape iz gonna not wurk. an' everythin else has ground to da halt. evun bbedit lite iz strainin to keep up as I type dis. i won't bore yous wiv da laundry list hof uva problems dat i've encountered while workin' on various macs, but suffice hit to say dere as bin many, not da least hof which iz i've neva seun da mac dat has run fasta dan its wintel counterpart, despite da macs' fasta chip architecture. me 486/66 wiv 8 megs hof ram runs fasta dan dis 300 mhz machine hat times. from da productivity standpoint, I don't get how peeps can claim dat da macintosh iz da superior machine. mac addicts, flame me if you'd dig, but i'd ratha hear some brainiest reasons why anyone would choose to use da mac ova uva fasta, cheapa, more stable systems. Is it coz I is black?

DRM and Apple.. (2, Insightful)

gillbates (106458) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826560)

As a compromise to help prevent piracy, you must change your playlist every 10 CD burns, and you may share the music with only three other Macs (you may modify the list of computers that the music may be shared with at any time). There was no word on the technology used to handle this DRM.

So, where was Microsoft in all this? Or are they still waiting for Apple to succesfully implement DRM so they can copy it, too?

Seems strange to me that Apple can actually come up with a workable DRM while Microsoft is still sitting on their hands.

I think the time is coming when DRM will be a reality for every computer user, whether we like it or not. However, it's good to see that at least one company is using DRM in such a manner that protects the artists without diminishing our fair use rights. I don't mind DRM as much as I mind giving up my freedoms. Hopefully, Apple will continue to strike the correct balance between protecting the artists and making content available.

Total ripoff (-1, Troll)

I Am The Owl (531076) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826567)

$0.99US for one song?! Shit, these are going to be crappy 128kbit/s tracks, even! That's an awfully high price to pay for substandard music quality.

You can go ahead and say "Oh, but all my 128kbps MP3s sound just as good as the CDs", but chances are, you're wrong. Anybody with anything better than cheapo computer speakers or $5 headphones they got for free in a box of Cracker Jacks is able to hear an enormous difference. It is especially bad if you have high fidelity audiophile gear. For example, the vibration dampers and $1000 cables I bought for my Bose speakers aren't going to help that much when the source material is total shit. Isn't this supposed to be Apple's target market, anyway? You know - the artsy types who care about things like well-rendered fonts and high-quality sound? What are they thinking?

Not to mention the DRM restrictions that Apple is imposing. I thought we had decided that Apple wasn't going to do DRM? It sure looked like it, but then here we are, looking at Apple supporting and using DRM in one of its premiere applications. Do you feel betrayed yet?

The only way that Apple could even begin to make this all acceptable would be to offer the music for $0.25US/track at 320kbps quality. Sure, it still won't really approach CD quality, but at least you won't be charged an arm and a leg for substandard music.

Re:Total ripoff (1)

arloguthrie (318071) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826608)

RTFA. They aren't MP3s. Their AAC files, which (as I understand it) sound better than their MP3 counterparts at the same bitrate.

Re:Total ripoff (1)

Mike Thole (628061) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826628)

You've not listened to 128 kbps AAC, have you?

Looks like the major change is the battery (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826570)

Old iPod: Built-in rechargeable lithium polymer battery (1200 mAh), 10 hours of use.

New iPod: Built-in rechargeable lithium ion battery (630 mAh), 8 hours of use.

Pretty impressive reduction of power usage.

99 cents / track is too much (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826577)


At 8-14 tracks average per CD, going to Sam Goody and buying a disc costs the consumer somewhere between $1 and $2 per track. For them to charge anywhere near that price range for degraded-quality, use-limited, non-physical, no-cover-art-and-liner-notes-having version of the same content is ridiculous.

Additionally, with a pricing scheme like this, you end up paying the same price for a 20-second interlude skit between songs as you do for a 20-minute jam band improv. It's not equal value across the board.

I believe the Magic Price Point for downloadable music is closer to 10 cents/minute. Until legitimate downloads become TRULY affordable, and have a selection comparable to what's out there on Kazaa right now, most people will continue to steal music instead of buying it.

Not good enough (1, Insightful)

sjbe (173966) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826578)

Sorry Apple. I'm not willing to put up with this sort of restrictions on use. I am not willing to comprimise on this. I will pay for music that is a master quality copy (read CD-Audio or better) without additional technology restrictions on use. Anything less is of little value to me, especially not some random DRM encumbered format that no one uses. I don't care if it is "better" sounding than MP3, it still isn't good.

$0.99 a track is a bit steep IMO even for a master track but for a DRM encumbered, non-standard compressed format it simply is not good value for my money. DRM with a crappy format moves the decimal point on what I'm willing to pay at least one digit to the left.

i thought the next thing from apple... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826583)

... would be 'music to my ears'. instead, its just more 'spend too much $$$ on stuff w/ an apple logo, even though you can get the same exact stuff elsewhere for much, much less $$$'.

yea apple. you go with your bad self.

Pricing (2, Insightful)

Cinematique (167333) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826584)

Am I the only one who feels 99 per song is a rip-off? Yes, it is wonderful that you get full rights to the song, but it's AAC... 128k AAC I may add.

Their marketing people now have two problems. 128k AAC is still better than 128k MP3, but how many people are going to believe that when most people assume that a 2ghz Pentium is faster than an AMD processor running at a lower clock speed? Second, who is going to pay 99 for something they can get for free on Gnutella?

Sure, some people will pay for the convenience of downloading very simply from the iTunes Music Store.

I will not be one of those people.

I *still* won't buy unless I know how much money is going to the artists, and how much everyone else gets. I've been boycotting the music industry for almost three years now, and this doesn't look compelling to me. Anyone else agree?

Oh, and before I hear a bunch of people calling me a cheapskate, I have a good collection of DVDs and an Apple Computer. I'd assume most cheapskates have a thriving collection of VCDs and a Windows PC... not to stereotype or anything... :)

$0.99 per song... (1)

Biff Stu (654099) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826587)

and 7500 songs on the new iPod = Profit!

This is gonna change music fundamentally (5, Insightful)

selderrr (523988) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826593)

Artists like Brittney, who have 1 hit and then poop out 12 extra tracks to fill a 11$ CD, will now only get 1$ income.
If made-up artists want to sell as much as they do now, the overall quality will have to increase
Applemusic guarantees quality poop all the way :-)

first thoughts (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826596)

The killer part of this deal is the integration in iTunes .. forget everything else. That's what will make it succeed. Why would you bother hunting down a track on P2P when it's right THERE.

I don't listen to U2 or Eminememem. I listen mostly to stuff on indie labels like Warp or Projekt (those are "big" indies but I listen to even smaller ones like planet mu or schematic or "dude in his bedroom with a burner") .. will this service cater to my tastes or it will it be a glitzy shopping mall piled to the ceiling with crap I try and avoid?

Will it be possible to play/stream to my Linux box or my Zaurus handheld? That's where I usually listen to my MP3s even though the interface (xmms, tkcPlayer, etc) are pure crap compared to iTunes.

AAC player for Linux? What is AAC? I that was a bad format (as in DRM bad).

Will I be able to give copies to my friends as I do my physical CDs? I guess I would just burn a copy? That's probably the best way anyway. They are probably watermarked or something evil.

Anyway, I'll definitely be taking advantage of this for the occasional mainstream single I want to hear, though if it's all mainstream stuff I probably won't be using it much.

If I can't play them on Linux though I'll probably not use it and stick with P2P and emusic (emusic ROCKS for jazz and non-mainstream stuff).

cool (2, Insightful)

RestiffBard (110729) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826597)

Any word on pricing per album? .99 a song is cool if I only want a few songs but it becomes moot if an album is 15 songs. Also, I'd really like it if they would rapidly introduce the stuff you don't hear on radio. I'm tired of all the music I want being a special order.

Innovation (0, Flamebait)

mabu (178417) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826603)

Apple continues its tradition of repackaging old technology in a proprietary wrapper and calling it "innovation". Steve Jobs' Reality Distortion Field(tm) is still operating at full power.

I applaud anyone brave (or foolish) enough to try the pay-for-content model. Anything that subverts the traditional entertainment monopoly distribution mafia is noble, but if you're going to charge someone for something, you have to make the product unique or better than what people can currently obtain for less. 128k is a joke. At least offer full 44.1 CD-quality tracks at the price you're charging - that's something worth buying. Re-assign some of your engineers which are busy working on the next proprietary peripheral plug, and have them focus on a way of delivering high quality audio with less bandwidth. Then you have something worth paying for.

more features, pricing, avail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826605)

for a whole album theres a discount, its only $9.99 no word if its all albums (like double, etc)

service will be expanded past US once they get the deals

itunes4 or at least the music service will be available for windows by the end of the year

also has live, spoken word, and video content plus some prev. unreleased or rare content from bands like sum 41 and U2

Still way overpriced !!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826607)

99 cents per song? That's still $14 for a 14-track CD, and they don't even have the cost of shipping, making cardboard inserts, or burning it to CD (you do that yourself). This will not be viable until it drops to less than 50 cents per song. It is as if they want to doom the pay-download services to failure. I'll stick to Kazaa Lite.

Finally! (0)

DougMackensie (79440) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826609)

Looks like apple is finally just starting to catch up with Microsoft with their addition of solitare [apple.com] to the iPod.

Apple: "Riding on Microsoft's coat tails yet again" ;)

30GB iPod + 7500 songs = $499 + $7425 = $7924 (4, Funny)

mst76 (629405) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826618)

if you don't have any CD's to rip...

AAC doesn't sound scary (3, Insightful)

strook (634807) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826620)

Unlimited CD burning for personal use? In other words, it's pretty simple to turn an AAC into an mp3. At worst, you'll be able to burn to CD and then convert back from cda to mp3. Or ogg, or whatever your personal preference for non-DRM-restricted music is. Hopefully somebody can make a direct converter without the intermediate CD burning step.

This could be a huge boon for Gnutella. Just think, a check box that says "Go ahead, take this directory full of AAC files, transform them to mp3s, and share them." There would finally be a standardized high-quality mp3 version of any given song. No more downloading 5 different copies of a song and deleting the ones with hisses and clicks, or Madonna complaining about how evil I am.

I don't understand how DRM can coexist with the ability to burn music to a CD. To me, this is the reason that DRM will never be able to create a music-downloading service that everybody likes and that the big music companies make a lot of money off of. The only way for them to have a service that everybody uses is if it's so cheap it's not worth the extra hassle to do P2P.

And tucked right at the bottom of the info... (2, Informative)

adamwright (536224) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826623)

"The iTunes Music Store is only available in the U.S" (http://www.apple.com/music/store/)

Oh well. Back to P2P for me then.

(Note - The above is a joke. Well, both bit's are a joke really. When will US media companies learn that breaking the world into regions is a terrible idea?).

For those who are saying $.99 is too pricey.. (1)

NivenHuH (579871) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826637)

I was watching the webcast.. He did mention that you could buy the entire album at a flat rate.. (Like Alanis Morisette Jagged Little Pill was displayed for $9.95)

Personally with this kinda flexibility.. I think it all works out.. $.99 for a song.. your normal ~$15 for an album.. *shrug* and you don't have to search for the music on kazaa, or drive to the store to buy it..

iPod iPod iPod (1)

Steveftoth (78419) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826641)

Now they have Solitaire, semi-pda applications, and a dock in the iPod. That is the mp3 player to get. Amazingly it's also smaller then the old one.

Now the semi-pda apps, are neat but no replacement for a REAL pda if you need that. All it has is a simple calendar, phone book, and text notes. (sarcasm on)And an alarm oooooo wow, alarm!(end sarcasm)

Though you can make playlists on the fly which is nice. Though probably very slow. Do they have smart playlists for the iPod?

The only bad thing is that the USB 2.0 cable will not be out until June, you have to buy a special (not included) cable to use USB.

Time to start saving those pennys. mmmmm iPod

About the right price for me (1)

MS_leases_my_soul (562160) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826644)

I would have to say that there are only about 15-30 songs a year I think are worth purchasing. I currently buy about 2-3 CDs a year, so it sounds to me like I come out a winner here!

Why USB??? (1)

rkz (667993) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826645)

Why the USB2 crap all macs have IEEE1394 anyway why are the promoting a standard directly in competition with their own. I love the way u can connect two machines with a £5 firewire cable and get a network 4 times as fast as FastEthernet! FireWire is good because its not a client server model but a peer to peer model so in theory you can download images from your digital camera into your iPod. USB or USB2 cant handle that shit plus USB pisses me of with its ugly connectors!

.AAC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5826647)

Ok, so MP3 isn't high quality enough, so why not use .OGG instead? What's wrong with patent-unencumbered, open, free standards?

Got the new firmware... (1)

clmensch (92222) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826650)

It doesn't seem to have the functionality of the new iPods (new games, customizable main menu, etc.). At least we got AAC playback though. Whew!

Initial observations on AAC (1)

Jon Abbott (723) | more than 11 years ago | (#5826651)

  • iPod Battery life has gone from 10 hours with the old version to over 8 [apple.com] with the new version. AAC apparently takes more CPU to decode. :^)
  • According to the Apple iPod webpage [apple.com] , the older Windows iPods appear to not support the AAC upgrade (look under the "High Fidelity" paragraph). Older Mac iPods apparently do support the AAC upgrade.
One question I have is on average, how does a 128kbps AAC file compare to something like 256kbps MP3? I've been using LAME at 256kbps for all of my music encoding, and it is going to be hard to accept anything less in quality.
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