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Starting an After-School Computer Club?

Cliff posted more than 10 years ago | from the opening-the-clubhouse dept.

Education 572

Kai_MH asks: "When I moved up to my high school this year (I'm a Sophomore), I was surprised to find that there was no 'computer' or 'technology' club at the school. Sure, there's A/V, but what fun is carrying TV sets around? So, I'd like to approach my school's administration about starting an after-school computer club. I'd like to educate my peers on the alternatives to Windows (Linux and Open Source), how hardware works and fits together, job offerings in computer-related fields, and anything else that may be of interest. Perhaps we can do fund-raisers to build and upgrade a computer for the club, which could be donated to the school or community? Does anyone have suggestions on this? Has anyone tried this before? I've had a lot of support from my peers, but I'm still not quite sure how to go about it."

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FP you High-school Fucko (-1)

Sexual Asspussy (453406) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846634)

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c_ g WILL TALK TO YOU OR BE YOUR FRIEND??
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YOUR TOO YOUNG! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846636)

You fail it (but I don't fail FP!)!

AU CONTRAIR FAILBOY! (-1)

I VOMIT ON FAILURES! (652124) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846675)

You indeed fail it! You certainly aren't too young for MY CHUNKS!

Re:YOUR TOO YOUNG! (-1)

Big_Ass_Spork (446856) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846856)

You're an idiot.

A moron of the highest order. You're so stupid it's a wonder you can remember to breathe. Intelligent ideas bounce off your head as if it were coated with Teflon. Creative thoughts take alternate transportation in order to avoid even being in the same state as you. If you had an original thought it would die of loneliness before the hour was out.

On an intelligence scale of 1 to 10 (10 corresponding to the highest attainable IQ) your rating is so far into negative numbers that one would need to travel into another quantum reality in order to even catch a distant glimpse of it. Your personality is that of a rabid Chihuahua intent on destroying its own tail. You are walking, talking proof that you don't have to be sentient to survive.

You are wholly without any redeeming social grace or value. If God ever decides to give the planet an enema you'd better run like the wind because anywhere you stand is a suitable place for The Insertion. There is no animal so disgusting, so vile, that it deserves comparison to you, for even the lowest, dirtiest, most parasitic member of the animal kingdom fills an ecological niche. You fill no niche. To call you a parasite would be injurious to the thousands of honest parasitic species.

You are worse than vermin, for vermin do not pretend to be what it is not. You are truly human garbage. You are a fraudulent, lying, predatory charlatan. You are of less worth than a burnt-out light bulb. You will forever live in shame. You have nothing intelligent to say, and Godwin's Law does not apply when writing about you.

Mothers gather their children close when you appear. You are an aberration, a corruption, and a boil that needs to be lanced. You are a poison in need of being vomited. You are a tooth so rotten it infects the whole body. You are sperm that should have been captured in a condom and flushed down a toilet. I don't like you. I don't like anybody who has as little respect for others as you do. Go away, you swine.

You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, and a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon. You are a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. Meaningful to no one, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts that sired you and then killed themselves in recognition of what they had done.

I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell? Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot. You are a waste of flesh. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease. You puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meat-slapper.

On a good day, you're a halfwit. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go.

You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you, and I wish you would go away. I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are.

Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a moron will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly.

The only thing worse than your logic are your manners. Your attempt at constructing a creative post was pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of insults among a load of babbling was hardly effective. Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn't have been "right". Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you.

Have a great day, Loser.
---

BAS

Not a good way to meet chicks.. (5, Funny)

thrillbert (146343) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846646)

I don't know what anyone else told you about a computer club, but you're not going to meet any chicks that way!

---
Be braver -- you can't cross a chasm in two small jumps.

Re:Not a good way to meet chicks.. (0, Offtopic)

Kredal (566494) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846713)

Totally offtopic, but I love your sig... Great message!

Re:Not a good way to meet chicks.. (1)

ptarjan (593901) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846752)

Unless they are ChiXors who go to the Bi-Mon-Sci-Fi-Con! .... Fliiiivin...

Re:Not a good way to meet chicks.. (4, Insightful)

missing000 (602285) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846810)

Don't take this the wrong way, the jokes kind of funny, but I don't think its either true or a good thing to go around promoting.

There are a growing number of computer chicks out there, and I happen to be dating one (I know, I've been told before that this can't be true as I read /. Whatever).

My point is that this type of joke is just a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy. Geek girls exist, go find one and try not to talk about star trek.

Re:Not a good way to meet chicks.. (-1, Troll)

chefbimbo (637251) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846865)

Sure they exist. But in general, they are an even bigger PITA to deal with than the so called normal ones. Oh and except for a few exceptions, they tend to be ugly or fat or both.

Maybe I should substitute girls with Prozac...

Re:Not a good way to meet chicks.. (4, Funny)

finkployd (12902) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846914)

Sure they exist. But in general, they are an even bigger PITA to deal with than the so called normal ones. Oh and except for a few exceptions, they tend to be ugly or fat or both.

Which is probably EXACTLY how they think of male computer geeks.

Finkployd

Re:Not a good way to meet chicks.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846839)

Wrong! You can meet chicks but they are typically:

1) fat
2) have died hair
3) listen to Marilyn Manson or nin
4) wear black all the time

The good thing is that they are generally very slutty because they love the attention they get from the nerds, so you might be able to lose your virginity with'em.

Another good reason NOT to start a computer club (5, Funny)

gabec (538140) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846843)

See if you start up computer clubs for these bright-eyed youngsters they'll start thinking about careers in the field, which will create more job market competition for _ME_, so... yeah... Just forget the whole thing, OK?.. Great... Glad we had this little chat.

By the way, you haven't seen my red Swingline lying around anywhere, have you?

Re:Not a good way to meet chicks.. (1)

aridhol (112307) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846921)

Hmm..odd. I seem to recall meeting my a girl in the high-school computer lab, ten years ago. I married her last summer. So it is possible to meet chicks there. Hey, they might even be intelligent, which is at least as important as being good looking.

Of course, you have to worry that the chick may be smarter than you...(mine's studying ebola).

to save time and effort... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846653)

just beat yourself up and flush your own head down the toilet.

Mod parent up! Funny! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846714)

Oh comon, I thought that was pretty funny! Where's my mod points when I need them!

Re:Mod parent up! Funny! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846818)

For humor, see +5 funny posts.

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Re:Jasper Newton Daniels home phone (0)

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Has to be said (5, Funny)

grantsellis (537978) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846667)

Has anyone tried this before?

This is slashdot, Virginia. Everyone's tried this before.

Re:Has to be said (5, Funny)

Neophytus (642863) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846694)

This is slashdot, Virginia. Everyone's tried this before.
So true.

Teacher (4, Informative)

rzbx (236929) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846682)

If you have a teacher that teaches some sort of computer related topic, then talk to them. I've heard that most clubs require a teacher to sponser the club or something like that. The teacher I'm sure could help talk to those that can get the club official and all too.

Re:Teacher & students (2, Insightful)

JVert (578547) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846769)

Get some other students interested as well before you aproach the teacher. It shows legitimate demand for the club and starts the club off with a low troll/student ratio.

Re:Teacher (3, Insightful)

AlexMax2742 (602517) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846774)

Just make sure the "computer teacher" isn't also the algebra/english/business management applications/workforce development/coach of the swim team, or else they most likely won't be interested.

Re:Teacher (2, Insightful)

karnal (22275) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846884)

Our "computer teacher" turned out to be the Trig and Calculus (advanced) teacher. Now while I must say that the classes were somewhat boring for myself and a peer, there's probably nothing better than having:

1. A teacher who is interested in computers (the big requirement)
2. A teacher who knows his way around math.

Since computers are all about math (in case you didn't know), I think the two kinda go hand in hand....

don't forget... (4, Funny)

Lxy (80823) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846687)

the number 1 rule of computer club, you don't talk about computer club!

Re:don't forget... (1)

Repugnant_Shit (263651) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846814)

And what? If this is your first time, you HAVE to install Linux?

to finish (4, Funny)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846915)

The second rule of Computer Club is you do not talk about Computer Club.

The third rule of Computer Club is, if the CIA catches on, the hack is over.

The fourth rule of Computer Club is, only one guy to a computer.

The fifth rule of Computer Club is, one critical section at a time, boys.

The sixth rule of Computer Club is, no ties, no sports jerseys.

The seventh rule of Computer Club is, coding sessions will go on as long as they have to.

The eigth rule of Computer Club is, if this is your first night, you have to release 1.0.

Not a good idea. (1, Insightful)

gpinzone (531794) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846703)

As soon as anything goes wrong with the school's computers, you guys will be blamed. "I split coffee on my keyboard and now my computer doesn't work. Must have been those computer geeks hacking into our network! That's the only explaination!"

Re:Not a good idea. (4, Interesting)

k_herald (317652) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846845)

Heh, I remember back in my old school days all of us nerds would have fun running amock on our school system's Novell Netware intranet. We had these crappy IBM 386's (this was public school of course) and had a helluva time. The surprising thing we found was that there was nearly no security whatsoever on the network. We even ended up installing this network game called "Spacy", which was a glorified version of asteroids, except you tried to shoot eachother up. We had ~50-60 ppl at a time playing the game (from several different schools in the district), and ended up crashing the whole network for the school district. Ya, they found out, but oddly enough they never fried us. *shrugs* it was fun, it sparked my interest, just make friends of the teachers first by getting around the filtered internet that all schools have these days.

Re:Not a good idea. (1)

mikosullivan (320993) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846923)

Yeah, my first was "prepare to be investigated". The chances of 5 nerdy kids being allowed to play with computers without the FBI somehow being called in are slim. If nothing else, some school admin will have you all arrested just to show that he's "DOING something about those hackers".

I think this is pretty dorky... (0, Offtopic)

Geeyzus (99967) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846718)

And I'm reading Slashdot for god's sake!

Re:I think this is pretty dorky... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846761)

this totally seems like a plant to me... some kid in high school wants to start a computer club to talk to his friends about linux?

why not just go ahead and kick the crap out of yourself in the lunchroom

mod parent up! (0, Offtopic)

heff (24452) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846853)



well said.

You have the next 70 years to sit on computers (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846720)

And you're probably going to be doing it for someone else just to pay the mortgage.

Get outside and start playing sports or something. Run track. Play soccer. Grab a roundball and shoot some hoops.

Oh yeav, give it to me! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846725)

Frost pist on a hijacked WIFI connection.
My neighbor must hate me.
Too bad, it's not my fault he's a tecnically inept fool, otherwise I'd have to *pay* for the internet.

WIFI wants to be FREE!

FAIL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846797)

You may be the first wifi poster, but you are not THE first poster.

I hope your neighbor finds you and cuts off your hands.

A LOSER IS YOU! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846842)

n/t

good luck (4, Informative)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846728)

I hope you have a large high school, because I know at mine it would have been a fruitless attempt. (People are busy enough usually).

However, there must be some sort of form to fill out, or you can just start a club without the school's permission under your Right to Assemble. Or you can wait for college, which for me is just a giant Computer Club.

(You'd probably get more members if you made it an area club to attract kids from nearby high schools.)

(Oh yea, and don't do drugs. (For at least another two years.))

Dear Slashdot,.. (4, Funny)

xchino (591175) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846729)

I just moved to a new high school and was wondering what the best way to ensure I get beat up on a daily basis was.

Re:Dear Slashdot,.. (1)

heff (24452) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846819)

couldnt have said it better myself, this guy has no idea what he's getting himself into.. so early in high school too.

Just explain... (1)

Ratphace (667701) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846734)


...that you want to bring pr0n to the masses at your school so they can truely appreciate the artform, I am sure it would be a big winner...

:)

Re:Just explain... (1)

TheFlu (213162) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846885)

a big wiener?

Computer club (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846737)

I can tell that like most slashdotters, you are going to get laid a LOT.

LFSP? (3, Informative)

conner_bw (120497) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846738)

Re:LFSP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846828)

Uhhh, no.

Do NOT mention or joke about 'hacking' (5, Insightful)

dmuth (14143) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846742)

Do NOT mention 'hacking', 'cracking', or anything like that, EVEN if you are joking!

Remember, older people on a whole know less about technology than younger people do. They may think you're serious and refuse to allow the club to be created. Worse yet, some control-freak of a teacher may try to use it as an excuse to shut the club down after it gets started.

On that note, that's another thing to watch out for: teachers who may have agenda of their own, or just be control-freaks, who don't want to see the students actually PLAYING with technology. And for God's sake, if you're going to do anything that you think your school might not be happy about, make sure you don't get caught. (Not that I did anything like that when I was in high school... :-)

Mod parent up. Way up. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846859)

I nearly got thrown out of my school's library.

Why?

I was browsing the Enlightenment home page. (Geez, now that shows my age - back in my day, Enlightenment was being released like mad!)

The clueless librarian drone immediately insisted it was 'one of those hacker pages', because it contained strange words that she didn't understand.

Like 'window manager'.

*snort*

I deftly dodged the idiocy. I didn't feel like creating a scene, since the minute I would've opened my mouth, I would've probably been labelled as someone who could cause nuclear strikes by whistling into a telephone. *snort*

Yarr. Anyhow, the moral of the story is - don't fscking bother. High schools are havens for idiocy. You'll run into legions of dolts who will insist that you must be up to no good, because, dang nabbit, good people don't talk about things like front side bus speeds.

Here's a better idea for you: Start a local user group. Open it to everyone and all that. When you teach Bob the Tavern Owner that it's a mouse, not a foot pedal, he'll be damned impressed.

Why is that important? Well, it's never too early to start connections and business relationships. (It doesn't need to go that far - but then, if random citizen of the city #2552 already thinks you know yer shit when it comes to computers, he's more likely to listen to your spiel when yer looking for investors. Or references for jobs. Et cetera.)

Hrmm. (5, Interesting)

cybermace5 (446439) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846744)

I thought "computer clubs" were in vogue until about ten or fifteen years ago. That was when computers were new and nerdy.

Now, even the jocks use computers and a lot of people have at least one. It would be like starting a toaster club, or a refrigerator club. Is there a "sports" club at your school? Or is there a track team, a tennis club, football team...you get the idea.

If you can find a theme for the club, you'll have an easier time deciding what to do. Do you build computers for poor kids? Do you write code? Do you game? Do you dress up in black suits and go door-to-door extolling the virtues of Linux?

Find a specific theme, and the rest will become clear.

Re:Hrmm. (2, Funny)

Bendebecker (633126) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846869)

What if you want to dress in black suits and go door to door writing game code for poor kids?

Toaster club?!? I'm in, DUDE!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846908)

WOO HOOO. "So I pushed on the lever and wires got hot, I GOT TOAST!!!!!" Man this club would ROCK!!!!!! The chicks I'll get with this clubs HAHAHAHA! You have just made me a very rich man.

I've got one word for you... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846756)

"Girls." Or "boys." You've got the rest of your life to be a geek. Go for band or drama or photography or something at least marginally social and get out and be active. Trust me, it'll be worthwhile.

Drama (0, Interesting)

Proctal Relapse (467579) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846852)

that's where you can find the cute chicks who will blow you even if you're not a jock. join Drama Club (do stage crew if you're worried about being an actor fag) and let the sweet teenage poontang come to you.

You need an advisor (0)

X00M (526040) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846757)

Most likely you will need an advisor to watch over your actions, try and find someone in the school (adult) who knows about linux and open source or just computers for that matter and talk to them maybe get them to help you get your foot in the door

Xoom

Be creative... (1)

L0stb0Y (108220) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846758)

...as for the post about not meeting girls, don't you know that GEEK GIRLS are tigers in...er, nevermind..hehehhe

Be creative- remember to tell people that donating computers is a tax write-off...

Just don't let it turn into the local 2600 meeting...that would be lame...

LosT

Re:Be creative... (1)

MatthewNewberg (519685) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846906)

If you start hanging out in malls on friday nights to talk about computer/phone stuff it is time to get new friends and hobbies.

Prepare for humiliation (1)

PhlegmMaster (596165) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846773)

Unless your school is very tech focused, prepare for much public humiliation.

At my school, there are about 4-5 people who have any technical aptitude (that includes teachers) and it's scary for all of us.

That's interesting... (1)

Dave_bsr (520621) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846877)

I was the most computer-oriented kid at my school. No one threatened to beat me up. And we were a "high school exists for football" school, too.

The whole "geeks get beat up" thing is weird to me.

Find a Sponsor (2, Insightful)

frostgiant (243045) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846775)

The process of starting a club or sport at my school is readily known.

First, you need a sponsoring teacher (or teachers). Even if this isn't required, it would help to have a teacher with you when you approach administration. Maybe you know a computer teacher who would be interested, if not, try a math or science teacher.

Then, you go to administration and ask about it. Basically, the school is just letting you use the building before/after the regular day, so there is no real reason they would deny it. When we started a fencing club, we had to prove it would be safe, but that was all.

I'm interested to know why you want a computer club? If you guys are just going to be doing a LAN party, great, but why do you want school sponsorship? Colleges see right through BS clubs and activities.

Re:Find a Sponsor (1)

Lester67 (218549) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846821)

First off, this isn't a BS club.

Secondly, there is a difference in participating in a BS club, and being the one that started it.

kiss your social life goodbye (2)

heff (24452) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846778)

if you start this club, you can kiss your social life goodbye.

as shallow as it sounds, i had no friends my freshman year in high school, i ran around talking about doom etc. then my friend, who introduced me to irc, etc, came to me and said "want friends? dont talk about computers"

he was right.. i vowed to never talk about computers in public again and the rest of high school was a blast..i was invited to parties, nights out, sure it was shallow as hell that the kids did this to me but hell, stereotypes are stereotypes.

this all changes in college.

Re:kiss your social life goodbye (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846935)

you know.....

i see a lot of scarred slashdotters making posts warning of "no friends"

i really don't think that's true these days.

with the net revolution, etc....girls are all into IM/chat & boyband(whatever's the rage) websites.

now imagine your hanging with a chick in her bedroom, and she can't get her chat to work....

that's when you come to the rescue!!!! show her what kind of hacker you are!

ok....maybe you won't be a hero...but i don't think you'll be the scum of the earth like many of the oldtimers here think you will be.

Which kind of computer club? (1)

The Z Master (234139) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846791)

Like the computer field itself, there are multiple kinds of computer clubs. You're describing the more concrete kind of club, dealing with software and the function of hardware.

However, there is also the more computer science type computer club where you could teach programming and computer theory. If you're interested in pursuing this type of club, I'd suggest you look into the American Computer Science League [acsl.org] (ACSL). They run a total of 4 contests spread throughout the school year that consist of a prgramming assignment that you have 72 hours to complete and 5 computer theory questions (the topics are announced ahead of time). If your school does well, you can send your top 3 or 5 students to the national competition to compete.

Also, remember to include both sexes as club members (ie, don't be exclusive).

Good luck with your club!

Sure (2, Insightful)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846794)

I'd like to educate my peers on the alternatives to Windows (Linux and Open Source)

Just don't be an obnoxious zealot. Education is about being informed of alternatives, not cramming the One True Thing down people's throats.

Show them what's good about Linux/BSD/etc and what's good about Windows and viceversa. Then let them make their own minds. But bashing Windows (or viceversa) to make Linux look better is not a very bright idea, as experience has always shown.

I.e., don't use Slashdot as your source for enlightenment. Then you'll be OK.

Why not combine the two? (1)

DuckDuckBOOM! (535473) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846800)

A/V and computers, that is. Do the fundraisers, etc. to set up a Linux-based digital media lab. As an earlier poster noted, starting a computer club won't get you chicks.

Producing funny CGI shorts and kickass videos for the local garage bands, otoh, will.

Listen to this (4, Informative)

jchawk (127686) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846805)

I know right now you probably consider your Principal and his assistants the enemies, but they are there and do care about you and your educational experience.

Walk into the office before class starts and ask the secretary for an appointment to talk to the principal or assistant. Explain that you want to start a computer club and you need to talk to a school employee for some direction and know how.

Not only will they see you, but you'll probably get to get out of class for at least a little bit.

Explain what you want to do, and what you need from the school, also ask for general assistance and they will be more then happy to help you.

Just do it (1)

WegianWarrior (649800) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846808)

Yes, I know there is a difference between the US schools and the norwegian ones. Yes, I also know that going to shcool now and fiften years ago when I was young and irresponsible are two quite different things.

It don't change the fact that the un-official 'computer-group' I and a lot of the other geeks started was 'taken over' by the school halfway thru the first semester and all but added to the timetable for those interested. So from meeting at peoples homes, we got access to the schools computers in the evnings.. after a while one of the more computer litterate teachers joined us to talk about the things we wondered about.. and towards the end of the term we even talked the schools administration to let us use the schools telephonelines and call up various bulletinboards.

So just get together with your fellow geeks and interested non-geeks and have a good time. If the administration are smart, they'll back you up once they see that the 'club' works.

i hope you have some nerdy chicks at your school (0, Redundant)

steelerguy (172075) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846815)

otherwise you are going to be a virgin for a long, long, long time.

don't say you were not warned.

Usefulness of a computer club... (1)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846825)

Are you going to be running your own wireless network? You should probably get school okay. How about your own file servers? The content needs to be okay and okayed too. Web server? Student accounts? Perhaps a gaming network?

All of those are neat projects that are definitely useful skills as well (maintanence, IT stuff, etc), especially if you have a diverse and cross platform network (A couple OS 9 Macs, some OS X Macs, a few Linux machines, Windows 9x and Windows 2k machines, perhaps a real, if old, donated HP Apollo or two, some BSD machines, etc, as well as routers, switches, hubs, APs, print servers, etc).

The real question is, will the club be *helping* the school? Because if the club just fosters kids wih bad attitude, I don't think a computer club is that hot an idea.

Find an advisor (1)

sczimme (603413) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846826)


Find the most tech-savvy teacher you know and approach him/her about being the faculty advisor to the club. Unfortunately you probably won't get far without faculty involvement, i.e. adult supervision [in the eyes of the school administration], so you may want to start with that. The teacher will also be instrumental in helping you find a place to meet, like a spare classroom or even the teacher's own room if appropriate. (A biology lab probably wouldn't be suitable, but you get the idea.)

Good luck!

Why only Linux as an alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846829)

Maybe YOU need to be educated on other alternatives, such as Mac OS, Unix, Minix, DOS, Irix, Solaris, etc. There is life other than Linux, you know.

It looks like you want to form a Linux club, not a general tech club. That's fine, but don't push your obviously anti-MS agenda under the guise of being a "tech" club. Being truthful about your aims would be first order of measure.

Not always a good idea (1)

wodon (563966) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846832)

Sad as it may seem I have found it more advantageous to have an unofficial club then a school sponsored one.

I am aware that it prevents you from using the school equipment and putting it on your record sheet (of whatever the equivelant is in america) but being able to control the club has its advantages.

You can work with whataver OS you want, have a game of unreal and run the club the way you really want without the constraints of the administration.

even without being official I know our teachers gave us funny looks whenever anything went wrong with the system, even when it wasn't our fault (which of course it never was, cough cough)

unless of couse you have a "cool" computer teacher you can talk to, when i was at school our IT teacher hated the idea of students using their initiative so it might have chnaged by now. I would be very careful about revealing when you can actually do in from of your school staff though no matter how well you get on with them.

Didn't work for me (1)

AirLace (86148) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846833)

I tried this a few years back at my high-school. I managed to pull together some great kit (not just computers, but yet-to-be-released consumer kit and other neat toys). I got the school to provide perks like free sandwiches and drinks for those who came. We even had Sir. Clive Sinclair [nvg.ntnu.no] come and speak, but never more than a couple of people turned up. It was an after-school activity rather than a club, so there was no obligation any anyone could turn up if they wanted.

It was a little embarrassing to have such a great computer society, but no members. Unfortunately, my experience has been that people of the age of 16/17 are just too preoccupied with other things like going out to the pub after school or driving about town in their friends' new cars. It might be that the fact the school I went to was a rather posh London private school didn't help, but it just didn't work out. Nobody was interested.

I hope it works out for you, but I wouldn't be surprised if people just don't turn up. Eventually I gave up and started doing the things the other guys did, and realised that you'll never win back those years of your life. Believe me, you'll have enough time to geek out at university. Go out with your friends and have a pint while the good times last.

AHOY. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846844)

Hey idiots, if you ever want jobs, maybe you should forget about learning about Linux and OpenSource. These don't make money, and frankly, are a waste of your time.

Technology Student Association (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846846)

The Technology Student Association is a national (USA, though Germany and Scotland are members) organization for technologically-inclinded folks. Of course, TSA has a lot more to it than computers, but starting a chapter of a club that already has 400k+ members and organized state and national conferences might be an easier sell to students and administrators than a new one of unknown purpose. Also, good times. Website is www.tsawww.org

Project (1)

milgram (104453) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846849)

Try getting a project for the club to work on for the school. Where I taught, I used the computer club to build computers from donated parts for a computer lab at the school. The students were able to learn about computers, and the administration got a free lab. Parts are easier to come by when it is for a school, so try local businesses and even other schools! If the club had a project to build a lab, and accomplished this goal, they would be seen as a good, contributing organization. Keeps the administration off your back.

Whats the point of it? (4, Interesting)

baronben (322394) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846850)

You have to ask yourself, what's the point of this club? Is it a place for people to meet and talk? Hang out after school and kill time? Learn something? Community service?

I formed a fencing club is my school, nothing much, it wasn't even a team, we just met once a week and killed time till we had to leave. The point of it wasn't to really be good at fencing, it was just fun to stab people repeatedly.

High Schoolers already take enough classes, they really don't want to stay after school so they can hear a lecture on the differences between free and Free. Make it interesting, make it fun, and end every meeting with a LAN game.

Good and Bad sides (1)

alptraum (239135) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846851)

As a FYI, at my school we started a computer club, FTLA (Future Technology Leaders of American, yeah I know very unoriginal) anyhow we held a few meetings, got a bunch of people that would like to be members and had one of our teachers be a sponsor. This teacher was not a programming teacher by the way, was a governmment teacher if I remember right but was nonetheless interested by the club. At that point we approached the administration and it went with flying colors since we had proved there was students that were interested and had a teachers backing.

Things went fine for a while until every time anything happened with the school network the club was blamed, kind of like usual suspects kinda deal when in fact we were not at fault. So whenever there was a break-in or any type of hacking the high school principal and police officer would show up at our next meeting, it was really aggrevating being treated like a bunch of criminals.

I think it's a great idea! go for it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846855)

Our school has a computer club and I feel that it a a good thing. I give various lectures on computer related topics and people have an enjoyable time hanging out with other knowledgeable computer users.

Go for it man!

Convince a teacher first. (3, Insightful)

fishybell (516991) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846861)

You'll need to convince a teacher before you even talk to the administrators. I know that if I was an administrator I'd say No. All of those out-dated computers your school has cost money to buy and to maintain. The last thing the administrators want is a bunch of "computer savvy" kids dinking with their computers.
The only way to get a CS club started is to convince at least one teacher first, and have him/her help talk to the adminstrators.
Another hint: don't try to sell them linux. Teachers, administrators, librarians, etc, like having something that they're used to on their computers. If you change it, you'll get the club disbanded.

Good luch. You'll need it.

Our computer club .... (5, Interesting)

Vilim (615798) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846868)

I guess we have a computer club at my school. It was quite a fluke that 4 people who are quite adapt with computers, love programming, exploring new things with computers etc. A) went to the same high school and B) Developed the relationship that we have.

The reason that all of us came to Churchill (our high school) is because of this international Baccalaureate program. All of us had an interest in computers but the computer teacher at our school really allowed us to develop that interest by letting us take Cisco at lunch (because we were in IB it wouldn't fit into our time table) etc.

I can remember in grade 10 computer programming, me and one of the other computer geeks did all of the classes programs a week ahead, the teacher would then use our programs as perfect (we got 110% on them) and mark from them as he didn't know anything about programming.

That was in grade 10. When it came time for us to choose our senior level courses all of us chose Higher Level Computer science, our class consisted of 4 people. You guessed it, us 4.

Now room 112 or the geek room boasts about 25 people who come there at lunch and just hang out. Teachers will bring thier comptuers that they have fucked up with viruses or which are running sluggishly for us to fix. The school has a forum server set up where teachers can (and do) post homework online so that students no longer have the excuse that htey left it at school, also teachers can help students online.

We are given amazing freedom in our "computer club" our school had 50 or so 133 mhz computers donated to us. These were given to us (and the other comptuer people) to learn hardware on. Byproducts of this were a whole shitload of people who knew alot about hardware. We made the pimprouter - a router running linux which controlled our own little duke network. We made a beowolf cluster of 486's (or at least tried to).

ALl of this started with a great comptuer teacher

College during high school (2, Informative)

winse (39597) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846870)

When I was in high school you could take 'computer courses' at the community college nearby during and after school hours. You got high school credit for them as well as college credit. We wrote some bad pascal, and wrote email to the whitehouse from the unix machine. Go look in the counseling office of the school and ask around. There's usually some sort of program for overachievers (not that I ever received good grades).

LUGs (1)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846881)

Take a look at some Linux User Groups (LUGs) online. These organizations are very similar to what you're trying to create. In fact, if there's one in your area, you could possibly start something affiliated with them with their help.

Write up a plan (2, Informative)

jkitchel (615599) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846887)

Check with your school to see if there are any standard forms which a club has to fill out to become "recognized" by the school.

Write up a plan consisting of:
a)club name
b)purpose of the club
c)potential members (just say everyone b/c you can't discriminate, but describe who typical members would be)
d)Activities - what will the club do at meetings? outside of meetings?
e)Faculty sponsor - if you get a teacher who is willing to sponsor you (not necessarily monetarily, but with guidance), you have a foot in the door.
f)club structure - will there be officers, etc?
g)community service - is there anything that your club can do to help the community?

These are just some starting points. If you go in with something on paper and with a sponsor, you are more likely to be accepted as something other than a "kid". Adults like to think that they know everything, prove them wrong. Show them that you have given this idea a good amount of thought and have come up with a structured plan or starting point. You may even be able to get some advice from a counselor or prospective sponsor on what else to include.

Good Luck!

I was there eight years ago (1)

Chagatai (524580) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846890)

We had a computer club back in high school that met at lunch and more or less consisted of guys playing Marathon on the Macintosh computers in the programming class lab. The important thing, like a few others have said, is the focus and breadth of material. Will you focus on hardware and overclocking? How to build webpages? How to alter your grades? Will you have guest speakers?

The problem that I had found in high school was that there were three sets of "computer" courses-typing, programming, and a "computers for business" class that would give you a rundown of Office. There was no one class that would cover hardware, networking, Linux, or anything else that an adept geek would love to know. My recommendation is to try to form a club that will cover the things you wouldn't normally encounter in classes.

And I don't mean "searching for pr0n".

Erm... make an alliance with the martial arts club (1, Interesting)

Bitter Cup O Joe (146008) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846891)

I highly recommend that you make an alliance with the martial arts or weightlifting club. Do their homework, buy yourself some bodyguards. Cross train with them. Teach them how to use a mouse, let them teach you how to snap a man's neck or bench 200 pounds. A sound mind in a sound body and all that.

Besides, as a poster above put it, you are not going to meet girls doing this. Best to pick up an activity that might help there, too.

In all seriousness, don't make the mistake that a lot of us made. Don't concentrate on computer skills and academia at the expense of things that will improve your health. Cultivate an interest in athletic activities, even if you hate gym class and team sports. It can do nothing but help you. Good luck on the computer club, too.

Don't do it. (4, Interesting)

mfh (56) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846897)

Don't do it. Enjoy your high school years while you still can.

Soon, if you're any good at what you do, you will be immersed in nothing but computers.

Getting computers... (2, Interesting)

TheVoice900 (467327) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846901)

I remember a few years back in high school when we started a computer club the biggest issue was getting computers. Unless you can do all your work on the school's workstations you will need to somehow obtain your own computers.

The best way we found to do this was to get old "discarded" hardware from various corporate sources. We hit up the local phone company and managed to get around 30 486 and 586 systems. Many companies these days have some sort of donation system where they provide their old hardware to schools, clubs, etc. This is especially true for the public sector.

These days you may also have several other options. Distros like Knoppix would allow you to play with Linux on your school's existing systems and you could maintain your personal files on some sort of USB-based storage or other removable media. That would likely be the best route to go if you had trouble obtaining hardware for the club.

dont be a geek (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846909)

i used to be just like you, now im a senior in high school. educate urself and not your peers. This way you wont look like more of a geek then you allready probably do.

Here's what I'd do (4, Informative)

BigGar' (411008) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846910)

First thing I'd do is talk to the teacher that
teaches the Computer Science classes. Most schools have a teacher sponsor that helps with the club. They'll probably have some idea of what to do or at least who to go to, to get the info you need.

The procedures for starting a club are varied and you'll just have to start asking.

I don't know if it will come up but I would certainly make sure that when forming the club that you are perfectly clear that the participants in the club will not be engaging in illeagal hacking, trading mp3's warez, during club meetings or with club equipment.

Your group photo... (4, Funny)

ryanvm (247662) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846912)

Great Scott! I just got back from the year 2005. Here's your group photo [fredpc.com] .

Take Karate (1)

SamBeckett (96685) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846916)

As a Karate Ka (student) you will be able to defend yourself from all of the ass beatings you are inviting by creating such a club. Unfortunately this is the way the world works.

Alternatively, to avoid said ass kickings, have parents leave house every weekend and drink lots of beer. Word will spread that drunk nerds are people too and you will get laid.

you need a good name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5846917)

First up, to have a good computer club, you need a sweet name. A lot of schoole just have "Blah Blah Blah High School Computer Club"

BORING!

You need to mix things up a bit. I recommend any of the following:

K()MP\/T()RKL\/B

M4st3rs of c0mput3r 3dduc4at10|\|

THIS ISN'T THE CHESS CLUB, BITCH!

urn:5ea21542a24b7c67bf07296ef7728164

N0-Pu55Y-4-U5-4-3V4!

http://bunch.of/dorks

Well there you have it.

Did this in college... (2, Interesting)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846919)

I did something like this in college via the Student ACM at my school. Here's a link:

http://acm.cs.uwec.edu/

We obtained a small room and set up some Linux systems and gave people room to play with. We initially called it the UPL (Undergrad Project Lab), a name stolen from a similar student-run lab at UW Madison. I'd advise you not to likewise take the name lest Gus threaten to break your knees with a titanium crowbar as he did me.

This was back in day, so gigabyte harddrives were high times for us. These days, hardware is so cheap that I imagine you could get some good stuff happening with just a corner of a classroom and an ethernet connection.

I will definately encourage you on this one -- for me, the UPL was great experience in terms of hardware, writing user policy (especially) and other admin-type stuff, and it acted as the base from which I built the skill set that I earn a living from now. So good luck!

Heh (3, Funny)

Pres. Ronald Reagan (659566) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846924)

Why don't you save a few steps and just give yourself the daily beatings and wedgies?

Always worth a try (1)

thesysadmin (660290) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846932)

Well, I'm a sophomore in high school and as far as I know, these projects fail a lot. I think it was tried at my school, no one attended.

Make sure that there will actually be people showing up before attempting to create it.

The True Warning (1)

idfrsr (560314) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846934)

So many warnings about computer club...

Computer club is still kinda cool (nerdy but most will respect your knowledge).

But make sure you never start an after-school D&D club, or have DM Manuals in your school bag... no one will never ever over-look that. Forever... trust me.

A couple of tips: (1)

lpret (570480) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846936)

Back when I was in High School (3 years ago), I started a Computer Club as well. After the second year, I was able to get the school to give us money to mess with computers, AND I got a class credit for giving seminars to fellow students. Also, this led to me having a cush job at university. So, read on...

  1. Now, go to the administration and explain to them how knowing about computers and technology helps students to better interact in the world today and how it creates better job opportunities, etc. BS as much as you can. This was in 1999, back when the tech boom was going on, but it'll prolly still work.
  2. Regardless of funding, try and get the word around to friends first, and then publicise on campus. Make sure you offer pizza or something and tell people "it's ok if you're not tech-savvy, that's the whole point!" even though you'll kick out whoever doesn't know what linux is.
  3. Once you get a little club going -- we're talking about 4-6 people, start doing stuff to get the administration on your side. Offer to teach some courses on Word or something. they eat this up, and it gets you ontheir good side. Now's your chance to ask for some boxes.
  4. Run linux on some computers, and invite people to come give it a try. Do another pizza invite. If possible, try to get a LAN party once a month to let people know that it's more than just looking at batch files. Once you get LANers there, make sure they try linux.
  5. ???
  6. profit!!
J/K, but you see how to start and where to head to. Make sure that you are always on the good side of the administration, becuase they will suspect you of being hackers. However, once they know you, and know you're just a smart kid, they'll let you do what you want.

Final advice, don't give up. THere may be other kids in your district who want to do the same thing. Ask around, don't be afraid, and good luck!

Software Piracy.. (1)

wfberg (24378) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846937)

Remember that software piracy can be a big issue for an after school computer club.

So don't forget to petition the school for a fat pipe with multiple IPs so you can hook up a few people to kazaa and gnutella at the same time without all that NAT crap.

Commodore East Brunswick Users Group (1)

doppleganger871 (303020) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846939)

I used to be the Hardware Director of CEBUG back in the 80's and 90's. It was a club that met once a month in a library meeting room. We had all sorts of topics discussed.

Some compaies that visited our club were Newtek (makers of the Video Toaster), CMD (Creative Micro Designs, makers of JiffyDOS, RamLINK, HD's, etc.). There were others, but I can't think of them right now.

Ah, the good 'ol days. Back before everything that appeared on a CRT was an ad or commercial. ::sigh::

Bill Gates Foundation (1)

cmdr_beeftaco (562067) | more than 10 years ago | (#5846945)

Bill Gates Foundation offers grants of up 1,000,000 in cash and software for high school computer clubs. We received a grant 3 years ago and built a ISO 1799 certified NOC for our school district. I learn the in's and out's of the standard, as well as the dangers of recycled halon.
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