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Students Get iPods as Study Aids

pudge posted more than 10 years ago | from the mmmm-gothic-imagination dept.

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WIAKywbfatw writes "Georgia College & State University in Milledgeville, Georgia has given iPod digital music players to its students to help them with their coursework, as reported by BBC News. Apple donated about 50 iPods as part of an experimental project to illustrate creative uses for the machine, and University professors say the gadgets have helped the students think more critically about their Gothic Imagination course." I wonder if I can write off my new iPod as an education expense.

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Time to go back to school (4, Funny)

Jingle (583669) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864077)

If I can get a 30gb iPod for free it might be worth the effort for about a week. :)

Re:Time to go back to school (2, Flamebait)

BlueShades (646315) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864263)

Go for it, you will soon find out that you will pay more for tuition and classes than shelling out cash for an iPOD.

Especially if you think you can deduct this. (2, Funny)

MickLinux (579158) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864283)

Let's see... Congress has a huge new debt cieling that it's about to approve, and the dollar has fallen to new lows, and invester confidence is in the toilet tank, and somebody thinks that they'll be able to deduct something from their taxes?

Definitely time to go back to school.

Creative uses? (2, Informative)

Drakonian (518722) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864078)

I'm not seeing it.... unless they mean installing Linux. [sourceforge.net]

Re:Creative uses? (3, Insightful)

DavidinAla (639952) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864485)

That's like saying that you don't see the use of someone getting a Honda unless you can change the software that controls the car's computer.

If you want to market an MP3 player that uses Linux or some other free OS, more power to you. But to say what you're saying is just blind zealotry. Personally, I don't see a lot of use for an iPod in education (and I say that as a happy iPod owner), but it has nothing to do with religious reasons such as whether it's running an open source OS.

David

Fuck you all (-1, Offtopic)

(TK5)Dessimat0r (670505) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864087)

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Students Get iPods as Study Aids (-1, Offtopic)

Gendou (234091) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864090)

When the show started and I listened to this mother and uncle,I realized I was sitting with my mouth open in shock.I called my aunt and said Oprah looks like she is about to explode you have got to see this show.As soon as I hung up the phone you did(explode).Thanks Oprah you said many of the things I wanted to say to these people,I mean what is their problem that they cant see that 30 and over yr old men shouldnt be paying to look at a young girl.Here in Bham,Al. we just had a 12 yr old snatched off the street raped and beaten.Perverts look at these young girls and become aroused and then they go and hurt someone elses child.I really feel sorry for that young girl because she is being exploited and put in harms way.Her uncle(and I know I don't know anything about him really)made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.Most perverts I'm sure don't consider what they do to be perverted.I have received unsolicited emails about pornagraphy containing teens with farm animals and other filth.I never opened the email & learned real quick the games these people play when you click on unsubscribe it takes you to the site anyway and also sends your email address to other porn sites.I looked up different agencies to report this porn but never received a reply.I now just delete but it bothers me a lot.These people also send instant messages using names like scooby,powerpuff girls and other names kids are familiar with which invites you to click and view their activities on webcam.Now those I havent had a problem with lately because I told them I was a police officer and my 13yr old had received instant messgs from this person and her friends and if they didnt want to be arrested for contributing to deliquency of a minor they better stop asap.Now the emails yahoo couldnt do anything because they are not coming from their customers and its been hard to track these people down because they keep changing the info needed to lock them down.I guess I've said all this to say that what that mother and uncle are doing is putting that child and children all over the world in danger.Why would a mother want 30 or 60 yr old men looking at her child simply for pleasure?Why would you let your child model provocative clothing these perverts send?I mean this childs website so obviously has nothing to do with modeling its pathetic.I am so glad Oprah spoke out for the many of us who feel this is so very wrong and so very sick.Thanks Oprah please continue to help us protect our kids.

can't believe i'm doing this.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864092)

but... ah well

first mutha freggin post

Gothic Imagination (3, Funny)

CptChipJew (301983) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864096)

= "I wonder what is the most creative way to slit my wrists"

--

Re:Gothic Imagination (-1, Flamebait)

The Only Druid (587299) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864336)

Are you kidding? Someone got his post modded up as "funny" because he was too idiotic to realize that "gothic imagination" referred to a literary and historical perspective, as opposed to the mis-labeled fad of the late 90s? Damn, that karma sure is easily earned.

Can they record? (4, Interesting)

Jerk City Troll (661616) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864099)

What would also be really neat is if iPods could record. I could definitely see how having a 10-20Gb minirecorder could be really useful for classes. I've always wanted to be able to record lectures and play them back later with a high degree of ease. Laptops OTOH are not too well suited for this and you need a lot of space for a full course load.

Over all, this is a really cool idea.

Re:Can they record? (4, Informative)

Dylan Zimmerman (607218) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864132)

iPod's can't record, but if you really want something that does, then get a Sony Mini-disk player/recorder. They aren't that expensive and the disks hold quite a bit of audio.

Now, I wonder if the iPod's remote buttons are separate from the internal buttons from the iPod's point of view. If they are, then it should be possible to mod your remote and make it into a microphone that you could use with either hacked iPod software (yeah, right) or the Linux on iPod project. Just write a program that interprets the 'next' button on the remote as microphone data.

Re:Can they record? (4, Interesting)

Jason1729 (561790) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864391)

iPod's can't record, but if you really want something that does, then get a Sony Mini-disk player/recorder

They way Sony is going, you'll probably have to pay a royalty to play back the lecture; there's always the chance of it being used to acoustically copy CDs.

Go with the old fashioned analog microcassette recorder. The only problem I had with that is getting the mic to actually pick up the lecture, but you'll have the same problem with a digital solution.

Just write a program that interprets the 'next' button on the remote as microphone data.

Yep, I'm sure iPod is capable of picking up pushbutton presses fast enough. Coming from the mic, you'll have PCM data, the lowest that's acceptable for speech will still need 1 megabyte/minute. That's over 100,000 keypresses per second.

Jason
ProfQuotes [profquotes.com]

Re:Can they record? (1)

flamingnight (234353) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864397)

Well, I don't quite see how that would work, but I have a 5GB iPod and the remote... the buttons seem to be seperate. If I 'hold' the iPod, the remote buttons work, and if i 'hold' the remote, the iPod buttons work.

Go for it.

Re:Can they record? (1)

Dylan Zimmerman (607218) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864468)

Well, I know that, but the question is, are the remote and case buttons logicaly separated. The hold switch probably just disconnects the control hardware from power. That is the single most effective way to prevent controls from operating that I know of.

Anyway, the controls could be elecricly parallel to each other such that the 'play/pause' on the remote is inditinguishable from the 'play/pause' on the iPod case.

As for speed, the guy before you had a very good point. The iPod probably can't sense enough keypresses per second to make the idea viable.

Re:Can they record? (3, Informative)

JebusIsLord (566856) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864165)

The creative nomad jukebox 3 can. you need an external mic though. this is why i bought one of those instead of an ipod, even though the ipods are admittedly sexier.

Re:Can they record? (2, Interesting)

Tmack (593755) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864178)

Of cousre there are these things called cassette recorders, they work fairly well at recording lectures. You can even get Micro-cassette recorders that are even smaller. They dont cost all that much and you can get replacement media for really cheap.

Granted most lectures I recorded were not of the caliber necessary for digital recording, I could see how it might be needed in a class such as "Gothic Imagination". Plus, with the tape recorder I could play back the whole lecture in 30mins with the speed-dial turned all the way up. Might be nifty to be able to sort and store as files, but I dont think its worth the extra $$ for use strictly in class. Very usefull for lectures like American History that I tended to fall asleep though (until the tape clicked off at 5till end of class).

TM

Re:Can they record? (1)

swb (14022) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864202)

I thought they weren't able to record due to inadequate CPU power or something.

It'd be excellent for bootlegging live shows if they made a model that could record, although isn't it impossible to copy MP3s off an iPod?

Re:Can they record? (1)

MNJavaGuy (619805) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864302)

No, it's not impossible. A good way to get a listing of the MP3's on there is to do a search on it for *.mp3 (mounted in firewire disk mode). They tried to make it difficult to do by hiding the folder they're stored in and splitting the MP3's into several folders (or maybe there's a functional reason for this?)

Re:Can they record? (1)

firewort (180062) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864344)

The functional reason is that this is how the iPod knows artist, album, and genre name.

Re:Can they record? (1)

MNJavaGuy (619805) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864440)

Well, there just doesn't seem to be any pattern to how it's throwing files in the Fxx folders under iPond_Control/Music. Yeah, the iPod has a file with the info (I'm assuming that's what iPond_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB is) and pointing to the files in the Fxx folders, but I'm curious if there is a certain way they are divided up into those folders. I don't think it's by album, artist or title since I have albums on there that are spread across several of those folders.

Any idea? I was thinking of writing an app (or winamp plugin) for managing an iPod and I'd probably need to know this.

Re:Can they record? (0, Redundant)

MNJavaGuy (619805) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864454)

yeah..I guess I have an iPond or something...where did my brain go?

Re:Can they record? (1)

JJahn (657100) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864477)

And in other news today, Apple Excavating sues Apple Computer for the illegal use of the patent on "iPonds"

Re:Can they record? (2, Informative)

dadragon (177695) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864328)

It'd be excellent for bootlegging live shows if they made a model that could record, although isn't it impossible to copy MP3s off an iPod?

No. The files just can't be seen from the Mac finder. They are stored in directories name .{something}, so they also don't show up without using ls -a.

All you have to do to get songs off the iPod is type:
find . -name "*.mp3" -exec cp {} /some_dir \;

and that will copy all the songs from the iPod to /some_dir

Re:Can they record? (4, Informative)

Herg (564957) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864458)

The Archos Recorder [archos.com] is another MP3 player that has a recording function. It has a built-in mic, about 10 hours uptime per charge, and the 20GB model can be had for less than $250.

The interface to a PC is simply a USB HDD, so it can be used with just about any OS, unlike the iPod.

It doesn't run Linux, but there is an open-source replacement firmware available, Rockbox [rockbox.haxx.se].

Gothic Imagination course? (5, Funny)

rnb (471088) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864102)

University professors say the gadgets have helped the students think more critically about their Gothic Imagination course.

That's a lot of Bauhaus and Sisters of Mercy songs.

Re:Gothic Imagination course? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864149)

last year, the course was expanded.

now, you also have to be able to regurgetate the full history of both Christian Death's, in order to pass the class.

this happened after a student finally ended the perpetual debate of whether bela lugosi was dead or undead by producing his skeleton.

Re:Gothic Imagination course? (4, Funny)

Caoch93 (611965) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864380)

I see, so successfully deciphering the meaning behind The Sisters of Mercy's "This Corrosion" is left for a graduate level course?

Re:Gothic Imagination course? (1)

heathrow (49152) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864471)

That's easy...

Graduate level course - explain why anyone listens to Diamanda Galas...

Re:Gothic Imagination course? (3, Informative)

Zathrus (232140) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864156)

I was never into Gothic music, but my wife is (as evidenced by her collection of Bauhaus, SoM, and others).

For those actually interested:

http://www.faculty.de.gcsu.edu/~rviau/GothicIm.h tm l

Re:Gothic Imagination course? (1)

jpsst34 (582349) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864242)

...thus prolonging the debate, "Is it possible to be branded the 'Godfathers' of a movement, and have nothing to do with that movement?"

I mean, Goth is something that sprung up long after July 1983, right?

From what I gather, bauhaus weren't dark because they liked the idea of slitting their wrists and longing for the 17th century, but rather because they thought that dub was really cool.

Re:Gothic Imagination course? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864438)

Nah, the whole Gothic thing really took off in 267 A.D. when they sacked Athens.

Re:Gothic Imagination course? (2, Funny)

theonetruekeebler (60888) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864491)

Hey, I've been in Milledgeville. You have any idea how hard it is to be goth in South Georgia? It's like being goth at a Hank Williams, Jr. concert.

On the other hand [wisc.edu]...

iPod (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864103)

Where's my iPod?
We are the champions...

APPLE SUCK DONKEY SCROTUM (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864104)

-PENIS--PENIS--PENIS--PENIS-
P_______________________8..P
E__Bow down to the_____#~..E
N__Lord's penis_______8.',-N
I_____________________#',-.I
S__Jesus wants your__8',-..S
-__anus, and he_____#~',-..-
P__wants it NOW! ___8_',-..P
E__________________##',-',-E
N__An original_____8',-',";N
I__TrollKore_____##',-',";I
S__work of art.___8',-',";.S
-__By Dessimat0r ##',-',";.-
P________________8',-',";,.P
E_______________#'',-',";,.E
N______________8(',-',";,..N
I_____________#(',-',";,.,.I
S__________#8#8_',-',";,.,.S
-_________#',-.8',-',";,.,.-
P________8~',-..#',-',";,..P
E_______#'',-',";8_',-',";.E
N_____8=',-',";.+#+',-',";.N
I____#=',-',";,._8',-',";,.I
S___#=',-',";,..(#',-',";.8S
-__8(',-',YOUR,.(8',-',";s#-
P_8(',-',MOTHER";#',-',-s8_P
E_#z',-',LOVES,";8',-..s#__E
N_8_.,#',"YOU',";~#,..88___N
I_#.##',-DEARLY,";~8,.8#___I
S_8##',-+~'',-',-~#'8______S
-_#.,..-',-',";.'=8#_______-
P_.8+_',-',";,.'88_________P
E___888',-',";~8___________E
N______8#888#88____________N
I__________________________I
S____.oO TrollKore Oo._____S
-_At the head of the game._-
P__________________________P
E___irc.freedomirc.net_____E
N_______#trollkore_________N
I__________________________I
S__________________________S
-PENIS--PENIS--PENIS--PENIS-

All you cock-loving fuckers out there, here is a special treat for you bastards, take a look at this knob. NOW SUCK IT, MOTHERFUCKERS!

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Whoopty doo (0, Troll)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864108)

Another liberal arts cash-wasting waste of time.

In a way I pity these students when they enter the real world, but moreso I'm glad I don't have to compete with them for jobs.

All an iPod can teach is the addage of "a fool and his money".

The next Slashdot story will be ready soon

What's the hold up? You sure aren't proofreading it.

Re:Whoopty doo (-1, Troll)

Elbereth (58257) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864232)

If I were a subscriber, I could have known that there's an article on the BBC web site TEN MINUTES earlier than now!

Wow!

I think I'll subscribe!

Re:Whoopty doo (1)

Potor (658520) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864357)

Another liberal arts cash-wasting waste of time.
I agree. All liberal arts students need are pencils and books. For that matter, that's all that CS majors need as well.

Re:Whoopty doo (2, Insightful)

nudicle (652327) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864384)

If your point is that a lot of technological innovations don't seem to improve education much and turn out to be a much-hyped waste of money, then fair enough. If your point is that this is an example of liberal-arts institutions wasting money, then I'd point out that the iPods were donated by the private sector and no liberal arts institutions were harmed by the creation of this experiment. -nudicle

Re:Whoopty doo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864386)

How much money do you suppose the students wasted on the free iPods that they were given (and that were donated by Apple)?

Rounds numbers would be fine.

Re:Whoopty doo (4, Insightful)

Black Perl (12686) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864470)

How much money do you suppose the students wasted on the free iPods that they were given (and that were donated by Apple)?

The students? None. Apple's the one wasting the money here.

If they had given the iPods to an Embedded Systems class at MIT, and challenged them to find "creative uses" for them, I'm sure we'd see a lot of newsworthy (at least Slashdot-worthy) things. But I doubt this class will find "uses" that we'd give a hoot about.

Audio books? (4, Insightful)

Chairboy (88841) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864109)

Could an MP3 player be considered a study aid if perhaps it were to be filled with Audio Books?

A previous story about the Kalishnikov ammo magazine MP3 player led me to http://www.audiobooksforfree.com, a website that has a bunch of books in MP3 format.

Re:Audio books? (1)

pfankus (535004) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864425)

Could an MP3 player be considered a study aid if perhaps it were to be filled with Audio Books?

But more importantly, Audio Cliffs Notes!

High tech tools for education. (1, Interesting)

cryptochrome (303529) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864114)

Now add a high-rez screen at least one half-page in size and the ability to play shockwave, flash, small programs and scripts, and up-to-date eBooks/pdfs, and you have a do-all textbook. Add input and networking and you can take tests and do homework on it too.

Re:High tech tools for education. (1)

RaboKrabekian (461040) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864170)

Now add a high-rez screen at least one half-page in size and the ability to play shockwave, flash, small programs and scripts, and up-to-date eBooks/pdfs, and you have a do-all textbook. Add input and networking and you can take tests and do homework on it too. ...and you get a PocketPC.

Re:High tech tools for education. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864209)

... and call it a laptop?

Where do you study, the University of DURRRRRR?

Re:High tech tools for education. (2, Insightful)

Fred IV (587429) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864311)

Ugh, feature creep. No offense, but most of the appeal of the iPod is that it is small, lightweight, has decent battery life, and does one thing really well.

By the time all that was added, you wouldn't have an iPod anymore, you would have a sub-notebook.

uhhhh.... (3, Funny)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864490)

Now add a high-rez screen at least one half-page in size and the ability to play shockwave, flash, small programs and scripts, and up-to-date eBooks/pdfs, and you have a do-all textbook. Add input and networking and you can take tests and do homework on it too.

That's called an iBook.

You're right, good idea though. [k12.va.us]

I'm in the unincorporated School Of Debian^HApple (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864116)

Send me one plz.

New...or old.... (1, Interesting)

inblosam (581789) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864117)

So the big question is, did they get the brand new ones, or did they get some of the older models everyone is clearing out?

Re:New...or old.... (1, Flamebait)

mgaiman (151782) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864144)

Seeing as the new ones are 10,15,30gb and the ones they got were 5gb, it can probably be inferred that they are old.

Re:New...or old.... (1)

dwightk (415372) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864290)

"...and the ones they got were 5gb, it can probably be inferred that they are old."

Except you made too big a leap... the article says that the iPods had 5GB of music on it... not that it was a 5GB iPod... The picture however looks like an older one... Could still be 10 or 20GB

Re:New...or old.... (1)

JUSTONEMORELATTE (584508) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864486)

did they get the brand new ones, or did they get some of the older models
Sheesh, you're worse than my 5-year old.

Here ya go son, have some cotton candy.
But Daaaaad, that other kid got a bigger one!

--

Quote the article.. (5, Funny)

Rudy Rodarte (597418) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864120)

"I not only use it for class assignments but for personal use as well." I wonder what kind of personal use this dude was talking about? Surely not the 17,000 over the next 3 years kind?

What I Keep Wondering is.... (4, Interesting)

ihatewinXP (638000) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864122)

When or if or how Apple is going to release some kind of documentation for us to play with the guts. its obviously updateable and from a xserve cluster article I saw that they have already been re-programmed as headless lcuster administration tools. That and "dual processors" and "cd burning capabilities" why shouldnt we the owners be let in at some point. On an official Apple message board it was recently relayed to the community that ipod software 2.0 will NOT be availible for the first gen ipods...well I dont see anything that pushes the capabilities...why not let us have a look?

Knowing Apple... (4, Insightful)

haaz (3346) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864273)

...it won't happen. They're very tight about what information they release. And even then, it's often done under NDAs. Ferinstance, I recall from my LinuxPPC days the great lengths an honest developer would have to go to get documentation on a chip used in Mac hardware. And just because OS X has BSD at its core doesn't mean Apple's any more open with anything else. Proprietary thinking is still very much in the house, despite their partial embrace of open source software and open standards.

That said, there's no reason the iPod couldn't be hacked, as seems to be happening. (It's not encrypted in any way (that I know of), and therefore not under the guard of the DMCA.) But it would be quite good for Apple to open up just a little bit more.

Re:What I Keep Wondering is.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864403)

Obviously you're not familiar with this company, Apple.

Download MP3's Sanctioned By the School? (2, Interesting)

neildiamond (610251) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864124)

Sure there are other things you can do with the i-Pod, but when schools are getting bothered by the RIAA all the time, this doesn't seem to make much sense. Well... unless they really like having the RIAA after them? I don't know.

hmm... (1)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864126)

from the article "I not only use it for class assignments but for personal use as well."
OK lets speak in percentages here for a while. Whats the work-personal use percentage ration 10-90 ?

Most Colleges (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864136)

Most colleges claim that lectures are copyright by whomever is giving the lecture. That is, if your professor gives a lecture, the professor owns the lecture and you are not allowed to duplicate it without permission. Most also have policies mandating permission to record be given for people who have physical disabilities (such as deafness) that would prevent them from learning the material by hearing it a single time.

I'm interested to hear what Slashdottians think about this. It does cause obvious problems with using Ipods as study aids!

Re:Most Colleges (1)

jpsst34 (582349) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864281)

"...permission to record be given for people who have physical disabilities (such as deafness) that would prevent them from learning the material by hearing it a single time."

I'm not positive about this, and I'd have to check, but I think that if I played a recording to a deaf person, he wouldn't quite pick up on the things he missed during lecture!

Re:Most Colleges (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864340)

I have classes with deaf people, and there is a lady in there with her TTY hooked up to a laptop. She types everything that the prof (and the students) say, and it dumps it onto the screen for the deafos to read.

Re:Most Colleges (2, Funny)

Rolo Tomasi (538414) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864350)

So the deaf person can still learn the stuff from the lecture by playing it back and listening really really hard?

Gothic Imagination? (1, Funny)

DraconicFae (600508) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864137)

Does this mean that as part of their coursework they listen to Marilyn Manson in infinite-repeat mode?

They don't say... (5, Insightful)

mental_telepathy (564156) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864138)

But I would guess they are getting the phased out 5GB models. A little oversotck magically turned into good PR and some word of mouth sales.

Seems like a bit of a stretch (2, Interesting)

fducky (572835) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864141)

It works for audio, text, contacts and calendar. I see the use for this course but it seems a bit of a stretch to make this practice widely available. Libraries could use ipods for checking out audio content which could save on duplication costs but campus networks could also share the files. Which would save a bunch on hardware, over the ipod option at least.
Seems like a better marketing plan then educational tool.

Let's see (3, Funny)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864151)

Georgia has given iPod digital music players to its students to help them with their coursework,

MP3s, OS X/Office X, Linux...

...and now, homework answers in advance!

Cost vs. Benefit? (2, Insightful)

frinkster (149158) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864162)

Sounds like the iPod would actually be useful as part of the coursework, but is that benefit really outweighing the cost?

Apple donated the first batch, but they aren't going to keep doing that. Someone has to pay for them at some point.

Re:Cost vs. Benefit? (1, Flamebait)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864221)

These are pampered rich kids taking a bullshit course called "Gothic Imagination".

I mean, c'mon. There's no benefit to courses like this, only cost.

When daddy pays $60,000 in tuition to send his dopey kid to college, the last thing they want is for him to flunk or drop out. So colleges are filled with bird courses and bogus degrees in silly shit like this. Like the school that has a course on watching the Simpsons.

It pisses me off that I busted my ass for a scholarship, and then to pay back student loans, when the shools give the same degree and preferential treatment to mentally deficient trust fund babies because they're the ones who can donate to the alumni fund down the road.

Bah. Higher learning my ass. What a waste of time and money University was.

Take your free iPod and your PhD in "Dragonball Z cartoons". People like me are too busy busting our humps to keep the world working.

WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864183)

I can understand it if they had say a music class, had a class that uses "books on tape," and or use it as a protible harddrive. Far as I can tell there is no line in, so you can't record classes.

But inspire creative uses? Unless they are programing addons I don't see any new uses coming out of "here is a 'free' ipod." Pluse some of the good ones have already came out (i.e. a calender program).

I don't get it... (5, Insightful)

jonfelder (669529) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864184)

I'm not sure I really see much of a point here. The iPod is a cool gadget and all (I own one in fact), but even after reading the article I don't see the benefit.

The article mentioned that not all people have broadband at home so they can't necessarily download the files easily. Isn't this what campus computer labs are for? Students could just listen to the audio there. You could use usb keys for a fraction of the price and just download the audio files to them. CDRWs would be cheaper still and you could write the audio tracks directly to them.

It would seem to me, that at $500 a piece you could give the students desktops or even laptops. Sure, they aren't as portable or cool as an iPod, but they'll play music along with having many other capabilities.

Re:I don't get it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864229)

Or at least get them MP3 players that allows them to record lectures.

Re:I don't get it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864365)

Exactly what I was thinking. It looks like all they use them for is for playing music files. Why not use CDs? $1 (CDRs) + $30 (CD player) =$31 per student for a setup that accomplishes nearly the exact same thing. And most students already have the CD player.
I suspect that's what they'll start using when Apple stops donating their overstocked iPods (maybe $200 each, if they're the old 5GB models).

Re:I don't get it... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864465)

It would seem to me, that at $500 a piece you could give the students desktops or even laptops.

They don't cost Apple $500 apiece, and they didn't cost the school anything.

Nice cheap Add (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864189)

Nice cheap Add for themselves, and it costs a hole 50 eyePods, gee i wonder what the results will be (more free print)

Already in use at BGSU... (5, Insightful)

heldlikesound (132717) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864194)

While not distributed by the school, each Mac has a firewire cable coming out the back that ends attached to the front of the machine. This way students can use their iPods (or other firewire drives) to move large video or graphic files from machine to machine. I wouldn't reccomend actually working off of the iPod for reasons of heat, and simply the fact that they aren't really made for that kind of abuse. However, for moving large files, they are great.

Oh, yeah, and they hold about 10,000 songs too. That's pretty cool.

And in other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864197)

... the RIAA legal team is reloading their guns as we speak.

I know what this is going to inspire... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864204)

More P2P use, and a lawsuet by the RIAA to go along with it.

iPods are a write-off (2, Interesting)

haaz (3346) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864235)

I think it is actually possible to use a gizmo such as an iPod for tax write-off purposes. I think if you review it for an Established Publication(tm), you can then write it off. But don't take my word for it; I've only heard of it being done. (A tax accountant would be much better to ask about how to make it a valid write-off.) I'm really not sure how it could become an education write-off.

How nice of Apple (3, Funny)

fobbman (131816) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864262)

That's just like my crack dealer buying me a new pipe.

Wait until the RIAA hears about this. Talk about a revenue stream!

Education (1, Insightful)

ahkbarr (259594) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864276)

Honestly, it's amazing the kind of crap people think they need in order to learn. I can barely get equipment necessary to do my job (yes, I am not a sheltered student who hasn't yet seen the real world).

Doesn't it make sense to think universities should be trying to make education less expensive rather than making excuses to make it more expensive? Costs cannot rise faster than inflation forever. Lack of access to education is what really keeps the poor poor, widens the class gap, yadda yadda.

This kind of shit pisses me off. I'm working right now getting $0.00 per hour, retraining, etc. I'm working to make myself valuable again, not even getting unemployment. I don't get ANY sort of $$ right now [not since december], and schools are pissing and moaning to ME about how they need $$.

Bottom line, the iPod is unnecessary, you pimple faced all-night-gamer fuck leach.

Re:Education (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864451)

Sounds like you are just pissed off because you are worthless...

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864352)

I g0t m3 jah f1rts 0p0st0r!!!@!@!@!@h

write it off... (2, Interesting)

ouchmyliver (667092) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864374)

"I wonder if I can write off my new iPod as an education expense. "
Well I doubt that you can write it off as an education expense but I wrote mine off as a business expense. Seriously -I did! Hey a 30 Gig portable hard drive is a valuable tool. I hear it plays music too :)

There's a Gothic Imaginiation course??? (5, Funny)

JonKatzIsAnIdiot (303978) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864392)

The universities are in sadder shape than I thought. What does the syllabus look like?
  • It's not your parent's basement - it's a medieval dungeon
  • Appropriate curses to use when your father won't let you drive his Volvo
  • How to prove your individuality by dressing alike

still not as radical... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5864409)

as MS donating Windows for educational aid...

Whoops.... (5, Funny)

ewhenn (647989) | more than 10 years ago | (#5864474)

...Apple donated about 50 iPods as part of an experimental project...

There goes profitability for the next 2 quarters.
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