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RoboCup 2003

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the ed-209 dept.

Technology 84

Kylose Boondoggler writes "Sony AIBOs play soccer against each other in the American Open 2003, hosted by Carnegie Mellon University in preparation for RoboCup '03. Teams from all over North and South America (including teams from Georgia Tech, Cornell, and UPenn) will compete in various leagues from soccer-playing AIBO to pure computer simulations. Local newspaper coverage is provided by The Tartan. Honda's ASIMO will also make an appearance along with rescue robots constructed by Carnegie Mellon."

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Re:PR skills (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5875044)

frist post

My robotics team was on the news today (-1, Offtopic)

Ianworld (557858) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875046)

But we didn't make slashdot so i guess we're just not good enough. :D ABC news, 7:45 (new york city atleast)

When are they going to make driving robots (0, Offtopic)

vespazzari (141683) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875051)

I think it would be a lot cooler if these robots would drive my car instead of just playing soccer.

Re:When are they going to make driving robots (3, Insightful)

sirius_bbr (562544) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875096)

Driving a car in an unlimited and mostly uncontrolled environment is a much more complex task than navigating a robot (or team of -) in a more or less controlled and certainly a limited environment. However, a lot of research that is done in the robotsoccer field (computer vision, anticipating to unexpected situations), may be very useful to realize autonomous vehicle guidance in the (probably not very near) future.

Re:When are they going to make driving robots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5879474)

Actually CMU has an autonomous vehical called NavLab. In 1996 I completed a cross country trek. Here is the home page http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/alv/www/nav lab_home_page.html

It works using voting and multiple systems which use computer vision algorithms and sensor data to control wheel direction, gas and breaking.

Re:When are they going to make driving robots (4, Informative)

eizan (138350) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875134)

there are some great papers on this site that might be of interest

http://www.ri.cmu.edu/projects/project_160.html

Re:When are they going to make driving robots (3, Informative)

heli0 (659560) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875332)

That is exactly what they are attempting here [slashdot.org] .

"The challenge is to build an autonomous vehicle which can 'navigate on its own over a 250-mile desert course in less than 10 hours.' from L.A. to Vegas, 'without external communication or human control.'"

Re:When are they going to make driving robots (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875523)

We're working on it full time. [overbot.com] Making good progress, too.

I can't believe (-1, Offtopic)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875056)

I paid 5 bucks for a FIRST POST!

I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE SO FIRED! (-1, Troll)

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RoboCup: Portnoy's Complaint (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5875061)

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I don't know which is funnier (0, Offtopic)

fjordboy (169716) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875064)

Either the title: "Robocup" (hehe..do robots even need that protection?) or the idea of aibo's going against each other competitively. That's just hilarious! I wish I could be there.

robots DO need cups (2, Funny)

Suchetha (609968) | more than 11 years ago | (#5879379)

how else would they protect their nuts?

Intersting.... (2, Insightful)

Xtraneous (594376) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875066)

This seems like it would be a pretty fun event to watch. I have had some experience with robotics helping out with high-school students. In my area there is what we call *CCRA.

* County Compettive Robbotics Association; The students (as teams) got kits of motors, electronics, pnuematics (etc.) to mess around with, and in the end create a working bot to use in a competition!

Re:Intersting.... (1)

drgnvale (525787) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875286)

>> This seems like it would be a pretty fun event to watch.

It was a blast to watch. My team went up to try out some ideas for the Urban Search and Rescue event... nothing worked as well as we had hoped, there were lots of networking problems and our software wasn't quite done... but we learned a whole lot. The soccer was so much fun to watch; I never thought I'd cheer for Aibos. But I did. I even cheered for our 220 when the networking worked.

Re:Intersting.... (1)

Dylan Zimmerman (607218) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875803)

I actually saw a cool show on PBS about Aibo soccer teams. I forget which show it was. Nova, I think.

Anyway, most of the teams had left their Aibos motions fundamentaly alone. The winning team, however, made their robo dogs crawl around on their elbows. They used their forearms to keep other players from stealing the ball. It was really a pretty ingenious tactic and the other teams quickly duplicated it.

Re:Intersting.... (1)

ca1v1n (135902) | more than 11 years ago | (#5878259)

Actually, ALL of the teams make their dogs crawl on the elbows, and have for a while. They can actually move them faster that way, because they're more stable. Shielding the ball while still moving with it effectively is much more difficult, and not everyone has that part figured out.

Re:Intersting.... (1)

chickens (626775) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875528)

It certainly sounds a lot more interesting than annual lame excuse for a TV show shown in this country called "Techno Games". Featuring, amongst other pointless events, a "robot" football tournament. Only, the "robots" are actually radio controlled cars, entered by the most amateurish teams they can possibly find.

Go Cornell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5875071)

Cornell usually kicks ass as this, looks like they're dominating the small robot league again.

Re:Go Cornell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5875170)

What? The University of New South Wales in Sydney Australia is the one that usually kicks ass in this comp, they've won it the last few times.

Must be a different RoboCup (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 11 years ago | (#5880769)

For a few years in a row, Carnegie Mellon was world champion. Then, around 4-5 years ago, Cornell started winning on a regular basis. (Note: There is a chance that Big Red has been surpassed in the last year or two, but up until my junior year there, i.e. two years ago, CU was #1.) Hmm, according to http://robocup.mae.cornell.edu/, Big Red won in 2002. In the history it looks like they came in third in '01 for some reason. Also note that there are multiple RoboCup divisions, Cornell competes in the "small size" division.

Not surprising considering that the CU RoboCup effort is heavily sponsored by the M&AE department, which also is behind Cornell's #1 Formula SAE racing team.

Re:Go Cornell (1)

pardsbane (234759) | more than 11 years ago | (#5884940)

Ok,

I'm sick of this confusion.


Here's the bottom line: CMU and UNSW are the top of the line for the Robocup AIBO league. IE, The Sony Dog league. CMU won 2002, UNSW won 2000 and 2001.


Cornell Won the Robocup F180 (small sized) league in 99, 2000, and '02. They came in 3rd in '01. CMU hasn't won the small sized league since '97 and '98, when Robocup began. In fact, for many years they didn't have a small sized league.


Also, Unlike CMU, Cornell applies a systems-wide approach to developing the robots. It not just AI, its the hardware, and Cornell relies on MechE's and EE's as much or more than the CS's guys.


How do I know this? I was on the '00 Cornell Robocup team and wrote the vision system for that team.

Why do we call it soccer? (1)

Sheetrock (152993) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875072)

This has always befuddled me.

BTW: watching robots play soccer is really, really boring, but coding them to play sounds kind of interesting. Is there any software out there similar to ASM-Robots that lets you do something like that?

Re:Why do we call it soccer? (1)

Eevee (535658) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875247)

It's short for association football. No, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't have to, it's British.

Re:Why do we call it soccer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5875276)

altho in britain we call it football... kinda makes sense, unlike American "Football"

Re:Why do we call it soccer? (1)

GeekLife.com (84577) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875454)

Well, they weren't going to call it "Ass-er."

Re:Why do we call it soccer? (2, Interesting)

Jester99 (23135) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875307)

I'd have to disagree with you. I've seen the videos from past RoboCup tournaments, and frankly, they're fascinating to me.

I think that watching the robots play is at least as entertaining as watching real soccer (of course, if you don't like watching any sports, well, can't blame you for not enjoying the roboversion..). I think it's simply amazing to watch a group of robots work as a team and form plays, some of which are very inventive.

Re:Why do we call it soccer? (2, Interesting)

Dylan Zimmerman (607218) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875846)

If you think that that's cool, you have to see a flying robots competition. I missed seeing the one a few years ago in Disney World by three days.

Well, that particular year had the first score by any team. It was spectacular. The team that scored used a helicopter design. It was really quite simple. Unfortunately, they didn't have a way to drop the disks in the goal, so the robot just ended up hovering over it for a while. That was the coolest competition of true robots that I've ever seen.

Re:Why do we call it soccer? (1)

patoco12 (562039) | more than 11 years ago | (#5879954)

but coding them to play sounds kind of interesting.

If you search, you can find the simulator for the official robocup environment along with a manual that explains the protocols available in the field environment for communication, kicking, etc. After that, it's up to you to code autonomous intelligent agents to play soccer in the language of your choosing. The simulation is cheaper than building actual robots, and AI really is the most important part anyway!

Paying vs Coding (1)

ihatewinXP (638000) | more than 11 years ago | (#5885724)

"soccer is really, really boring, but coding them to play sounds kind of interesting."

Sounds like a true slashdotter to me! Give that man some Karma.

Hopefully it'll be better than the last one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5875074)

Which RoboCop movie is this anyway? 4? 5? I always hate when they change the naming schemes from a number to a year. Anyway, hopefully RoboCop gets back to kicking ass.

Re:Hopefully it'll be better than the last one (1)

Luigi30 (656867) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875151)

Read the article. It's a robot soccer tournament, not the new Robocop movie.

Re:Hopefully it'll be better than the last one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5875168)

Are you saying RoboCop can't play soccer? Because, sir, I believe you are wrong! RoboCop can wrestle [robocoparchive.com] and I believe he'd be just as good at soccer.

Re:Hopefully it'll be better than the last one (1)

Luigi30 (656867) | more than 11 years ago | (#5876546)

He'd be pretty good probably. He can kick really good and you can't really knock him down. Too bad he's a little slow.

Asimo... (2, Insightful)

Gortbusters.org (637314) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875085)

interesting concept, hefty price tag!

Robotic DOGS (3, Funny)

Snover (469130) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875086)

Does this mean that they'll all go around sniffing each-other's butts?

Re:Robotic DOGS (0)

Gortbusters.org (637314) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875110)

They'll also clean themselves in front of you without any shame.

And let's not forget the robot dogs who eat other robotic dog-droppings!

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Re:Robotic DOGS (3, Funny)

fjordboy (169716) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875152)

After watching the first video on this site [cmu.edu] , there is definite footage of two aibo's on the same team (same color) with one aibo's head directly under the "tail" of the other aibo. I don't know if they were going for realism and trying to have the dogs sniff each other, or if it was just a coincidence, but the effect is hilarious.

Re:Robotic DOGS (2, Funny)

ralfg33k (646670) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875181)

I'm sure they sniff each other and roll in each other's droppings: hey, a dog's a dog. But if one of these lil' guys gets ahold of your leg, it's best to just let 'em finish. The last thing you need is a jilted, network-connected Doberman Pinscher trying to boil your bunny and hack your server.

Soccer wrong game, chasing email spammers better (4, Funny)

corebreech (469871) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875109)

Since dogs traditionally chase mailmen, I think this would be more fitting.

Just replace the people who deliver mail with the people who spam us with e-mail, and you have a smash hit!

You'd need to give Aibo some teeth though, and I've got some old and rusty Exacto-knife blades that would fit the bill perfectly.

Re:Soccer wrong game, chasing email spammers bette (1)

mrseigen (518390) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875123)

And I wondered where the Rat Things in Snow Crash came from.

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Finally (1)

cyberia625 (464246) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875111)

If Cornell wins this maybe they'll finally start to get some positive coverage in the news after their last few fuckups, unless they send congratulation emails out to the losers... but i digress...

Re:Finally (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5875300)

From the CMU misc.market bboard:

CMU just got Slashdotted for the RoboCup American Open!

Check it out:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/05/04/ 022024 2

And if you haven't heard yet, our AIBO team won the competition less than
an hour ago, beating the Cornell team in the finals.
CMU robots rule!

-John

Not quite (2, Informative)

LenE (29922) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875804)

FYI Cornell doesn't compete in the AIBO league.

Cornell does compete in the F180 small size league. The real test will be in Padua Italy in early July. As a reminder, Robocup 2003 [robocup2003.org] is the real competition.

Seeing that CMU didn't place in the top four at Fukuoka [robocup.or.jp] last year, while Cornell took the title, congratulations to CMU. And good luck in Italy.

-- Len

Re:Not quite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5875838)

cmu won them both

and it WAS robocup, RTFA

Re:Not quite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5875934)

excuse me... cornell has won the small size league EVERY YEAR it has entered (starting '99) except they got 3rd in Seattle in 2001. Yes, that's one loss in 4 years. CMU won the years before Cornell entered. please dont talk about stuff you dont know. and dont tell me i'm wrong, i'm on the team and have been associated with RoboCup for 2 years.

Re:Not quite (1)

LenE (29922) | more than 11 years ago | (#5876183)

OK dumbass. It's Robocup, as in it uses the Robocup rules, but the American Open is only a regional competition. In most respects it is a test run for the real contest. Robocup 2003 in Padua Italy, as I've indicated before, is the real competition.

I've read the articles, before they were posted here, and have had in depth discussions with people at the contest so don't waste your shift key on me. CMU won the AIBO league, as expected, and also won the small size, which I didn't dispute. The factual error was that they played Cornell in the AIBO league.

CMU hasn't won the international competition for the small size league since Cornell entered four years ago. CMU did win the AIBO league last year.

The results of today's match will NOT knock Cornell from their first seed position in Italy. The American Open just doesn't matter.

This competition is not for Cornell or CMU, but for the newer teams this year like UChile [robocup.cl] , Laval [robocuplaval.com] and the Mexican Eagle Knights [robotica.itam.mx] . These teams didn't make it into the international competition, and without this event, would not be competing against anyone.

-- Len

Re:Not quite (1)

vectra14 (470008) | more than 11 years ago | (#5879774)

hey len :)

sorry for losing against cmu, we were having vision trouble :(.. on the upside i must say the bots were in a pretty good shape mechanically and electrically. there were 2 bugs in our defense and every one except one (maybe 2) goals scored against us was because of those bugs...

its quite annoying to read slashdot and see everying misquoted and plain false facts

anyway, the AIBO's certainly win by sheer cuteness. unfortunately, those other F180 teams didnt really do too well :(.

in the end though the experience of having our completely new team go over there and set everything up and just talking to the other teams far far outweights any competitiveness. to be honest i really wish the other teams did better... it was a shame that small problems bogged so many systems down
-sergei

Re:Finally (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5875339)

So winning in 1999, 2000, and 2002 wasn't enough?
http://robocup.mae.cornell.edu/RoboCup_Ti meline.ht ml

Re:Finally (1)

cyberia625 (464246) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875612)

I know Cornell has won. I go to Cornell and am an engineer, so I know all about it. The fuckup I was talking about was how they sent "welcome to cornell" emails to students that didn't get in.

videos (4, Informative)

fjordboy (169716) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875131)

There are a bunch of videos here [cmu.edu] , they appear to be of varying sizes...though the first one I started downloading is still going strong and just passed the 42 meg mark...actually, right as I was writing this it stopped, so it is 43 megs...so the videos are big and long (hopefully). Enjoy.

Re:videos (1)

fjordboy (169716) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875146)

the first video is great...this is absolutely hilarious watching them move around and the way they maneuver to "kick" the balls.

Also, about 2 minutes in you totally see an aibo sniff the rear of another aibo....

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alan alda (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5875197)

Alan alda has a great show [pbs.org] about aibo soccer in his scientific frontier show.

Try High School Robotics (3, Interesting)

pkiesel (245289) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875204)

Okay, it can't compete with Aibos for cute (or irony), but there is a much more exciting way to go: FIRST high school robotics (http://www.usfirst.org/), an international competition for high school robotics teams.

These are 130 lb robots with between one and two horsepower, running both autonomously and with radio control, and playing a two against two timed game. The teams have six weeks in Jan. & Feb. to design, build, program, test and ship their robots. They start with a kit of parts (motors, robot controller, misc. hardware) and build their robots for a game which changes every year.

There are 800 teams in the US, Canada, the UK and Brazil and 23 regional competitions, plus the championship event which was held in the Reliant Stadium in Houston last month. We used the Astrodome for our pits!

As a mentor and parent of two team members (http://www.cybersonics.org/), I can tell you this is a blast! I encourage everyone to take a look at it and think about getting involved. Most teams are always looking for mentors and new teams are starting every year.

Re:Try High School Robotics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5876846)

Actually, you'll find that a lot of the kids involved in the FIRST competition don't have the slightest idea of what they are doing or why they are there. The mentors really do most of the work for them, and as such, the educational content of the FIRST league is really lacking.

The "RoboCup Junior" people are doing a much better job of actually EDUCATING kids and students about the potential of robotics in their life.

course of study (1)

chillax137 (612431) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875226)

robot soccer is seriously something that influences my career decisions. it's just so damn cool.

Simulation League (5, Interesting)

ibcmax (565509) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875232)

Ahh Robocup - the memories come flooding back. When I was but a uni sudent at Curtin Uni [curtin.edu.au] , one particularly inventive AI lecturer gave us the task of designing and implementing a Robocup software simulation client. Apart from being very instructive and worthwhile, it was absolutely great fun. People strove to create the best clients to beat fellow classmates, and implemented players who would clear the ball if it got too close to their own goal, algorithms to pass the ball effectively, and a stamina management system to help players conserve energy instead of sprinting everywhere and running out of puff.

If there are any AI Uni Lecturers among the slashdot readership, take my advice as a former student and do something like this for your students as an assignment - it will be one of the best they ever do. The server software and API documentation is free to download, and players may be implemented in amy language you want.

How about a slashdot effort for next years cup? :)

Re:Simulation League (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5878249)

My AI Uni Lecturer is our faculty guy for Robocup. Sadly, there wasn't anything (other than a plug for the team) in the class about sim soccer.

--Wahoowah

Re:Simulation League (1)

thelenm (213782) | more than 11 years ago | (#5882687)

I attended a few RoboCup lectures by CMU folks, where they gave amusing anecdotes... my favorite was the team that figured out that the server allowed players to kick the ball multiple times, increasing the ball's speed each time. So they programmed a strategy such that whenever a player got possession of the ball, he would kick it around himself in a circle until the ball got going lightning fast, then shoot it in an unblockable beeline for the goal. Of course, the server program was slightly modified after that...

RoboCup was cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5875270)

I saw a few matches, they were pretty good. You guys actually posted it after the event ended--but it was lots of fun. The Honda guy gave a talk here on Friday. I heard it was interesting enough but his accent was kind of broken. As for the ASIMO--it was very cool. He walked around and went up and down stairs and such. Pretty impressive for a humanoid robot. It was one of the three feet ones. Otherwise, just another weekend at CMU. Finals next week, wish me luck...

RoboCup Photos (3, Interesting)

agusus (470745) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875323)

For those interested, I'm on the CMU Simulation league team, and I have about 30 photos from the American Open:

Photos [cmu.edu]

And as an update to the original post, the American Open concluded about an hour ago, with the CMU AIBO team winning the finals in competition against Cornell.

Re:RoboCup Photos (1)

agusus (470745) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875418)

Correction to my post:

The CMU AIBO team won against *Georgia Tech*, not Cornell. Our small-sized team won against Cornell.

Re:RoboCup Photos (1)

Yokaze (70883) | more than 11 years ago | (#5876675)

What? CMU won against Cornell in the Small-Size league?
Can you give us a little update on that. The official page [americanopen03.org] is still a little bit vague on that matter.
(In case someone gets an updated page: The finals have been still blank)

Considering last years already impressive performance of BigRed in Fukuoka, this is quite an achievement. Congratulations.

Re:RoboCup Photos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5876898)

The CMU small size did in fact win against Cornell (in fairness, Cornell arrived during the last night of setup while everyone else had two days) That being said, CMU's small size team won like 11 to 0 or something similar.

The legged league team beat Georgia-Tech with the Aibos. Cornell does not have an Aibo team. The score of that game was 2 to 0.

Right, forget this robocup crap, I'm going to sleep.

Re:RoboCup Photos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5885932)

Both Carnegie Mellon and Cornell teams had to change fields prior to the match. Cornell had to change once to play against the Eagle Knights. Carnegie Mellon had to change fields once to play against the Robobcats, and then had to change fields AGAIN to play against Cornell. All the calibrations, camera set-up, etc had to be redone after each field change so it doesn't really matter that Cornell arrived late.

Re:RoboCup Photos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5875452)

u double posted we already saw your misc market post

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Funny and entertaining. (1)

xMonkey (154829) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875328)

I watched this last year. It was being broadcast when some company (forgot which) was testing thier streaming technology.

I was surprised by how entertaining it was.

The AI for little robot dogs do all kinds of things.

When they score a goal the do a little dance, and when there other teammates see them doing a little dance they start dancing. LOL it was pretty funny.

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My university has a student team as well.... (2, Interesting)

Kolenkow (557147) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875402)

...for the last year students at the IT-engineering program, and have had so for a couple of years now.

Pretty pictures of their two robots:
http://www.robocup.it.uu.se/

Former competitor of RoboCup 2002 (3, Interesting)

mattis_f (517228) | more than 11 years ago | (#5875669)

Well, it's interesting to see that this is starting to pick up in the US as well. Last year we (we = project team from Uppsala University, Sweden) competed in the RoboCup 2002, which was being held in Japan at the same time as the 'normal' soccer world cup. It was an extremely interesting experience and the exhibition floor and competitions were on the floor of a huge indoor baseball arena (maximum capacity: 50 000). During three days of competition about 100,000 people showed up.

It's a shame you don't have what I consider the most interesting leagues though - the middle size and the humanoid league. Those are the ones that require most work and has least competitors, so it might be hard to get a full league I suppose. Middle size robots have everything onboard and have to do everything by themselves. There are quite a few teams in Europe and Japan, coming from universities but also some companies (Philips, dutch home electronics company, had a good middle size team last year.)

Further, FYI, Aibo robots are programmed by the team, so the kind of tricks and cool stuff they do depends on who programmed them (and how much time they had... :-) ). Teams who compete in this league obviously don't have to construct the hardware which might be nice for all the software guys out there. In most other leagues you build the robots from standard off-the-shelf components.

There is also a German Open which is being held in Paderborn, Germany, sometime soon. Further, the world championships, the real RoboCup 2003, is being held in Padua, Italy in the summer. This is from the top of my head, I don't have any URL:s, but I'm sure they can be found with a quick search.

Re:Former competitor of RoboCup 2002 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5878999)

Actually the German Open happened in April, the winner of the middle-size league was Phillips, see Pictures at http://ais.gmd.de/GO/2003/frame_venue_e.html

Eurobot is way cooler (1)

gaijin_ (134592) | more than 11 years ago | (#5876261)

The entire contest seems kind of boring, as it is supposed to use robots built by someone else.

Eurobot is a contest for completely autonomous robots that are constructed for the contest.

The rules can be found at www.anstj.org [anstj.org] .

The basic idea is to find and flip 12 twocoloured pucs, so that the color you fight for is up. Two robots compete for 1.5 minutes, and the pucs are placed on the board after the robots.

This year 32 teams from Europe and Asia are competing. My teams homepage is here [itk.ntnu.no] , but in Norwegian, to not give away too much to our competitors.

This sucks ... (1)

jrl87 (669651) | more than 11 years ago | (#5876637)

Now there are even more soccer teams that can kill mine (we haven't won in two years)

And what's worse we'd be losing to a few thousand dollar pieces of plastic and metal that are at the most 10 inches tall

Funny how.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5876702)

It's funny how, whenever USA people are bad at something, they create their own league/competitions/(countries :), and let crappy countries compete against them. One particular Australian University, i.e. mine, has dominated the Sony Aibo league competition for the past 3-4 years so much, that the closest game they had, they won by 10 goals. I wonder why they're not included in this "American Open" crap...

Re:Funny how.... (1)

jthorpe (545911) | more than 11 years ago | (#5879070)

I agree, (I take you're referring to UTS? I study IT there), the University is very proud of its achievements in the league, yet there's no mention on /. or the site referred to.

Re:Funny how.... (1)

SnowZero (92219) | more than 11 years ago | (#5879382)

You'd be talking about UNSW in the Sony Legged League, except that they won only two years (2000,2001), and CMU is actually the defending champion (though admittedly only by penalty shootout against UNSW in the final).

Considering there's been an Australian Open for a few years, as well as a the Japan Open and German Open, I don't understand what the problem with having an American Open is. That's what the term "regional competition" is for anyway...

Btw, the biggest reasons for regional opens is to do testing/practice for the real one, and to avoid spending so much travel money (travel for a whole team + robots + support equipment is *not* cheap).

Asimo the puppet (3, Interesting)

Ghetto_D (670850) | more than 11 years ago | (#5876812)

I think robotic sports competitions are a great idea. It helps younger generations get interested in technology, and definately spawns some creative innovations. I watched a special on TechTV recently ... http://www.techtv.com/news/shownotes/story/0,24195 ,3425334,00.html one thing that surprised me was the segment on Asimo. They commented that there are multiple engineers controlling Asimo while he is on stage. With all of the money and research Honda has put into this robot, why does it still require mutliple humans to control it?

Link Fix (1)

Ghetto_D (670850) | more than 11 years ago | (#5878399)

sorry about the link Here it is. [techtv.com]

Other competitions (2, Informative)

blackcoot (124938) | more than 11 years ago | (#5877202)

For the HS crowd, there's Botball [botball.org] , which had it's DC area competition this weekend at UMCP, sponsored by the K.I.S.S. Institute for Practical Robotics [kipr.org] . KIPR also puts together neat kits if you're looking for something to play with (a word of advice, Interactive-C blows and it's type checking system is flakey at best).

There's also Trinity Colleges's Autonomous Robotics Firefighting Contest [trincoll.edu] which has a league for just about anybody. Qualifying alone is an impressive feat.

Also, if you're interested in the simulation league, you may be interested in checking out this paper [gmu.edu] which was written by one of the profs in my department.

</karmawhoring>

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