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Inside SAIC

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the desmond-llewelyn dept.

The Almighty Buck 293

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When I think of dirty old men, I think of Ike Thomas and when I think
about Ike I get a hard on that won't quit.

Sixty years ago,I worked in what was once my Grandfather's Greenhouses.
Gramps had died a year earlier and Grandma, now in her seventies had
been forced to sell to the competition. I got a job with the new owners
and mostly worked the range by myself. That summer, they hired a man to
help me get the benches ready for the fall planting.

Ike always looked like he was three days from a shave and his whiskers
were dirty white under the brim of his battered felt fedora.

He did nott chew tobacco but the corners of his mouth turned down in a
way that, at any moment, I expected a trickle of thin, brown juice to
creep down his chin. His bushy, brown eyebrows shaded pale, gray eyes.

Old Ike, he extended his hand, lifted his leg like a dog about to mark a
bush and let go the loudest fart I ever heard. The old man winked at me.
?Ike Thomas is the name and playing pecker's my game.

I thought he said, "Checkers." I was nineteen, green as grass. I said,
"I was never much good at that game."

"Now me," said Ike, "I just love jumping men. . ."

"I'll bet you do."

". . . and grabbing on to their peckers," said Ike.

"I though we were talking about. . ."

"You like jumping old men's peckers?"

I shook my head.

"I reckon we'll have to remedy that." Ike lifted his right leg and let
go another tremendous fart. "He said, "We best be getting to work."

That summer of1941 was a more innocent time. I learned most of the sex I
knew from those little eight pager cartoon booklets of comic-page
characters going at it. Young men read them in the privacy of an outside
john, played with themselves, by themselves and didn't brag about it.
Sometimes, we got off with a trusted friend and helped each other out.

Under the greenhouse glass, the temperature some times climbed over the
hundred degree mark. I had worked stripped to the waist since April and
was as browwn as a berry. On only his second day on the job and in the
middle of August, Ike wore old fashioned overalls. Those and socks in
his hightop work shoes was every stitch he wore. When he bent forward,
the bib front billowed out and I could see the white curly hairs on his
chest and belly.

"Me? I just love to eat pussy!" Ike licked his lips from corner to
corner then stuck it out far enough that the tip could touch the tip of
his nose. He said, A man's not a man till he knows first hand, the
flavor of a lady's pussy."

"People do that?"

He winked. "Of course the taste of a hard cock ain't to be sneezed at
neither. Now you answer me, yes or no. Does a man's cock taste salty or
not?"

"I never. . ."

"Well, old Ike's willing to let you find out."

"No way."

"Just teasing," said Ike. "But don't give me no sass or I'll show you my
ass." He winked. Might show it to you anyway, if you was to ask."

"Why would I do that?"

"Curiousity, maybe. I'm guessing you never had a good piece of man ass."

"I'm no queer."

"Now don't be getting judgemental. Enjoying what's at hand ain't beiing
queer. It's taking pleasure where you find it with anybody willing." Ike
slipped a handside the side slit of his overalls and I could tell he was
fondling and straightening out his cock. Now I admit I got me a hole
that satisfied a few guys."

I swallowed, hard.

Ike winked. "Care to be asshole buddies?"

***

We worked steadily until noon. Ike drew a worn pocket watch from the bib
pocket of his loose overalls and croaked, "Bean time. But first its time
to reel out our limber hoses and make with the golden arches before
lunch."

I followed Ike to the end of the greenhouse where he stopped at the
outside wall of the potting shed. He opened his fly, fished inside, and
finger-hooked a soft white penis with a pouting foreskin puckered half
an inch past the hidden head.

"Yes sir," breathed Ike, "this old peter needs some draining." He
exhaled a sigh as a strong, yellow stream splattered against the boards
and ran down to soak into the earthen floor.

He caught me looking down at him. He winked. "Like what you're viewing,
Boy?"

I looked away.

"You taking a serious interest in old Ike's pecker?"

I shook my head.

"Well you just haul out yourn and let old Ike return the compliment."

Feeling trapped and really having to go, I fumbled at my fly, turned
away slightly, withdrew my penis and strained to start.

"Take your time boy. Let it all hang out. Old Ike's the first to admit
that he likes looking at another man's pecker." He flicked away the last
drop of urine and shook his limp penis vigorously.

I tried not to look interested.

"Yer sir, this old peepee feels so good out, I just might leave it out."
He turned to give me a better view.

"What if somebody walks in?"

Ike shrugged. He looked at my strong yellow stream beating against the
boards and moved a step closer. "You got a nice one,boy."

I glanccd over at him. His cock was definitely larger and beginning to
stick straight out. I nodded toward his crotch. "Don't you think you
should put that away?"

"I got me strictly a parlor prick," said Ike. "Barely measures six
inches." He grinned. "Of course it's big enough around to make a
mouthful." He ran a thumb and forefinger along its length and drawing
his foreskin back enough to expose the tip of the pink head. "Yersiree."
He grinned, revealing nicotine stained teeth. "I t sure feels good,
letting the old boy breathe."

I knew I should button up and move away. I watched his fingers moving up
and down the thickening column.

"You like checking out this old man's cock?"

I nodded. In spite of myself, my cock began to swell.

"Maybe we should have ourselves a little pecker pulling party." Ike slid
his fingers back and forth on his expandingshaft and winked. "I may be
old but I'm not against doing some little pud pulling with a friend."

I shook my head.

"Maybe I ?ll give my balls some air. Would you like a viewing of old
Ike's hairy balls?"

I swallowed hard and moistened my dry lips.

He opened another button on his fly and pulled out his scrotum. "Good
God, It feels good to set ?em free. Now let's see yours."

"Why?"

"Just to show you're neighborly," said Ike.

"I don't think so." I buttoned up and moved into the potting shed.

Ike followed, his cock and balls protruding from the front of his
overalls. "Overlook my informality." Ike grinned. "As you can see I
ain't bashful."

I nodded and took my sandwich from the brown paper bag.

"Yessir," said Ike. "I just might have to have myself an old fashioned
peter pulling all by my lonesome. He unhooked a shoulder strap and let
his overalls drop around his ankles.

I took a bite of my sandwich but my eyes remained on Ike.

"Yessiree," said Ike, "I got a good one if I do say so myself. Gets
nearly as hard as when I was eighteen. You know why?"

I shook my head.

"Cause Ikeep excerising him. When I was younger I was pulling on it
three time a day. Still like to do him every day I can."

"Some sayyou'll go blind if you do that too much."

"Bull-loney!" Don't you believe that shit. I been puling my pud for
close to fifty years and I didn't start till I was fifteen."

I laughed.

"You laughing at my little peter, boy?"

"Your hat." I pointed to the soiled, brown fedora cocked on his head.
That and his overalls draped about his ankles were his only items of
apparel. In between was a chest full of gray curly hair, two hairy legs.
Smack between them stood an erect, pale white cock with a tip of
foreskin still hiding the head.

"I am one hairy S.O.B.," said Ike.

"I laughed at you wearing nothing but a hat."

"Covers up my bald spot," said Ike. "I got more hair on my ass than I
got on my head. Want to see?"

"Your head?"

"No, Boy, my hairy ass and around my tight, brown asshole." He turned,
reached back with both hands and parted his ass cheeks to reveal the
small, puckered opening. "There it is, Boy, the entrance lots of good
feelings. Tell me, Boy, how would you like to put it up old Ike's ass?"

"I don't think so."

"That'd be the best damned piece you ever got."

"We shouldn't be talking like this."

"C'mon now, confess, don't this make your cock perk up a little bit?"

"I reckon," I confessed.

"You ever seen an old man's hard cock before," asked Ike.

"My grandpa's when I was twelve or thirteen."

"How'd that come about?"

He was out in the barn and didn't know I was around. He dropped his
pants. It was real big he did things to it. He saw me and he turned
around real fast but I saw it."

"What did your grandpa do?"

"He said I shouldn't be watching him doing that. He said something like
grandma ?wouldn't give him some,' that morning and that I should get out
of there and leave a poor man in peace to do what he had to do."

"Did you want to join him."

"I might have if he'd asked. He didn't."

"I like showing off my cock," said Ike. "A hard-on is somethng I always
been proud of. A hard-on proves a man's a man. Makes me feel like a man
that can do things." He looked up at me and winked. "You getting a
hard-on fromall this talk, son?"

I nodded and looked away.

"Then maybe you should pull it out and show old Ike what you got."

"We shouldn't."

"Hey. A man's not a man till he jacked off with a buddy."

I wanted to but I was as nervous as hell.

Ike grinned and fingered his pecker. "C'mon, Boy, between friends, a
little cock showing is perfectly fine. Lets see what you got in the cock
and balls department."

In spite of my reluctance, I felt the stirring in my crotch. I had
curiositythat needed satisfying. It had been a long, long time since I
had walked in on my grandfather .

"C'mon let's see it all."

I shook my head.

"You can join the party anytime, said Ike. "Just drop your pants and
pump away."

I had the urge. There was a tingling in my crotch. My cock was
definitely willing and I had a terrible need to ajust myself down there.
But my timidity and the strangeness of it all held me back.

Hope you don't mind if I play out this hand." Ike grinned. "It feels
like I got a winner."

I stared at his gnarled hand sliding up and down that pale, white column
and I could not look away. I wet my lips and shook my head.

Old Ike's about to spout a geyser." Ike breathed harder as he winked.
"Now if I just had a long finger up my ass. You interested, boy?"

I shook my head.

The first, translucent, white glob crested the top of his cock and and
arced to the dirt floor. Ike held his cock at the base with thumb and
forefinger and tightened noticably with each throb of ejaculation until
he was finished.

I could not believe any man could do what he had done in front of
another human being.

Ike sighed with pleasure and licked his fingers. "A man ain't a man till
he's tasted his own juices."

He squatted, turned on the faucet and picked up the connected hose. He
directed the water between his legs and on to his still dripping prick
and milked the few remaing drops of white, sticky stuff into the puddle
foming at his feet. "Cool water sure feels good on a cock that just shot
its wad," said Ike.

***

"Cock-tale telling time," said Old Ike. It was the next day and he
rubbed the front of his dirty,worn overalls where his bulge made the fly
expand as his fingers smoothed the denim around the outline of his
expanding cock.

I wasn't sure what he had in mind but I knew it wasn't something my
straight-laced Grandma would approve of.

"Don't you like taking your cock out and jacking it?" Ike licked his
lips.

I shook my head in denial.

"Sure you do. A young man in his prime has got to be pulling his pud."

I stared at his caloused hand moving over the growing bulge at his
crotch.

"Like I said," continued Ike, "I got me barely six inches when he's
standing up." He winked at me. "How much you got, son?"

"Almost seven inches. . ." I stuttered. "Last time I measured."

"And I'm betting it feels real good with your fist wrapped around it."

"I don't do. . ."

"Everybody does it." He scratched his balls and said,"I'll show you mine
if you show me yours." Then, looking me in the eye, he lifted his leg
like a dog at a tree and let out a long, noisy fart.

Denying that I jacked off, I said, "I saw yours yesterday."

"A man has got to take out his pecker every once in a while." He winked
and his fingers played with a button on his fly. Care to join me today?"

"I don't think so."

"What's the matter, boy? You ashamed of what's hanging ?tween your
skinny legs?"

"It's not for showing off."

"That would be so with a crowd of strangers but with a friend, in a
friendly showdown, where's the harm?

"It shouldn't be shown to other people. My Grandma said that a long time
ago when I went to the bathroom against a tree whan I was seven.

"There's nothing like a joint pulling among friends to seal a
friendship," said Ike.

I don't think so." I felt very much, ill at ease.

"Then what the fuck is it for," demanded the old man. "A good man shares
his cock with his friends. How old are you boy?"

"Nineteen almost twenty."

You ever fucked a woman?"

"No."

"Ever fucked a man?"

"Of course not.

"Son, you ain't never lived till you've fired your load up a man's tight
ass. "I didn't know men did that to each other."

"Men shove it up men's asses men all the time. They just don't talk
about it like they do pussy."

"You've done that?"

"I admit this old pecker's been up a few manholes. More than a fewhard
cocks have shagged this old ass over the years." He shook his head,
wistfully, "I still have a hankering for a hard one up the old dirt
chute."

"I think that would hurt."

"First time, it usually does," agreed Ike. He took a bite from his
sandwich.

I looked at my watch. Ten minutes of our lunch hour had already passed.

"We got time for a quickie," said Ike. "There's no one around to say,
stop, if were enjoying ourselves."

He unhooked the slide off the button of one shoulder-strap, pushed the
bib of his overalls down to let them fall to his feet.

"Showtime," said Ike. Between his legs, white and hairy, his semi-hard
cock emerged from a tangled mass of brown and graypubic hair. The
foreskin, still puckered beyond the head of the cock, extended downward
forty-five degrees from the horizontal but was definitely on the rise.

I could only stare at the man. Until the day before, I had never seen an
older man with an erection besides my grandpa.

Ike moved his fingers along the stalk of his manhood until the head
partially emerged, purplish and broad. He removed his hand for a moment
and it bobbled obscenely in the subdued light of the potting shed. Ike
leaned back against a bin of clay pots like a model on display. "Like I
said, boy, it gets the job done."

I found it difficult not to watch. "You shouldn't. . ."

"C'mon, boy. Show Ike your peckeer. I'm betting it's nice and hard."

I grasped my belt and tugged on the open end. I slipped the waistband
button and two more before pushing down my blue jeans and shorts down in
one move. My cock bounced and slapped my belly as I straightened."

"That's a beaut." Ike stroked his pale, white cock with the
purplish-pink head shining. "I'm betting it'll grow some more if you
stroke it."

"We really shouldn't. . ."

"Now don't tell me you never stroked your hard peter with a buddy."

"I've done that," I finally admitted,. "But he was the same age as me
and it was a long time ago." I though back to the last time Chuck and me
jerked each other off in the loft of our old barn. Chuck wanted more as
a going away present and we had sucked each other's dicks a little bit.

"Jackin's always better when you do it with somebody," said Ike. "Then
you can lend each other a helping hand."

"I don't know about that," I said.

Ike's hand continued moving on his old cock as he leaned over to inspect
mine. "God Damn! Boy. That cock looks good enough to eat." Ike licked
his lips. "You ever had that baby sucked?"

I shook my head as I watched the old man stroke his hard, pale cock.

"Well boy, I'd sayyou're packing a real mouthful for some lucky gal or
guy." He grinned. "Well c'mon. Let's see you get down to some serious
jacking. Old Ike's way ahead of you."

I wrapped my fist around my stiff cock and moved the foreskin up and
over the head on the up stroke. On the down stroke the expanded corona
of the angry, purple head stared obscenely at the naked old man.

Ike toyed with his modest six inches. "What do you think of this old
man's cock?" His fist rode down to his balls and a cockhead smaller than
the barrel stared back at mine.

"I guess I'm thinking this is like doing it with my grandpa."

"You ever wish you could a done this with your grandpa?"

"I thought about it a lot."

"Ever see him with a hard-on."

"I told you about that!"

"Ever think about him doing your grandma?"

"I can't imagine her ever doing anything with a man.

"Take my word for it, sonny, we know she did it or you wouldn't be
here." Begrudgingly I nodded in agreement.

"Everybody fucks," said old Ike. "They fuck or they jack off."

"If you say so."

"Say sonny, your cocks getting real juicy with slickum. Want old Ike to
lick some of it away?"

"You wouldn't."

Ike licked his lips as he kept his hand pistoning up and down his hard
cock. "You might be surprised what old Ike might do if he was in the
mood for a taste of what comes out of a hard cock."

And that is what he proceded to do. He sucked me dry.

Then he erupted in half-a-dozen spurts shooting out and onto the dirt
floor of the potting shed. He gave his cock a flip and shucked t back
into his overalls. He unwrapped a sandwich from its wax paper and
procede to eat without washing his hands. He took a bite and chewed.
"Nothing like it boy, a good jacking clears the cobwebs from your crotch
and gives a man an appetite."

***

The following day, We skipped the peliminaries. We dropped our pants.
Ike got down on his knees and sucked me until I was hard and good and
wet before he stood and turned.

"C'mon boy, Shove that pretty cock up old Ike's tight, brown hole and
massage old Ike's prostate.

Ike bent forward and gripped the edge of the potting bench. The lean,
white cheeked buttocks parted slightly and exposed the dark brown,
crinkly, puckered star of his asshole "Now you go slow and ease it along
until you've got it all the way in," he cautioned. "This old ass craves
your young cock but it don't want too much too soon. You've got to let
this old hole stretch to accomodate you."

"Are you sure you want to do this?"

"Easy boy, easy," he cautioned. "You feel a lot bigger than you look.
Put a little more spit in your cock."

"It's awfully tight. I don't know if it's going to go or not."

""It'll go," said Ike. "There's been bigger boys than you up the old
shit chute."

I slipped in the the last few inches.. "It's all in."

"I can tell," said Ike. "Your cock hairs are tickling my ass."

"Are you ready," I asked.

"How are you liking old Ike's hairy asshole so far?"

"It's real tight."

"Tighter than your fist?"

"Might be."

"Ready to throw a fuck into a man that reminds you of your grandpa."

"I reckon."

"I want you should do old Ike one more favor."

"What?"

While you're pumpin my ass, would you reach around and play with my dick
like you would your own? Would you do that for an old man?"

I reached around and took hold of his hard cock sticking out straight in
front of him. I pilled the skin back amd then pulled it up and over the
expaded glans. I felt my own cock expand inside him as I manipulated his
staff in my fingers. I imagined that my cock extended through him and I
was playing with what came out the other side of him.

"C'mon, boy, ram that big cock up the old shitter and make me know it.
God Damn! tickle that old prostate and make old Ike come!"

I came. And I came. Ike's tightened up on my cock and I throbbed Roman
Candle bursts into that brown hole as I pressed into him. His hairy,
scrawny ass flattened against my crotch and we were joined as tightly as
two humans can be.

"A man's not a man till he's cum in another man." said old Ike. "You
made it, boy. But still, a man's not a man till he's had a hard cock
poked up his ass at least once."

Every time I think of that scene, I get another hard-on. Then I remember
the next day when old Ike returned the favor.

I never have managed to come that hard again. If only Ike were here.

Private Company (2, Insightful)

Richardsonke1 (612224) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893377)

"SAIC is now the country's largest privately held infotech company"
This is one company that i certainly hope never IPO's...imagine taking decisions about secret technologies to the stock holders...

Re:Private Company (5, Interesting)

AlabamaMike (657318) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893432)

SAIC will always be a private company. FYI, they don't even allow people outside the company to own stock. While you work there you are awarded pieces of the company as part of your compensation (beats the hell outta options, IMO), but when you leave you're forced to liquidate all your holdings in the company. Given the extremely sensitive nature of their line of work I'll bet this policy will never change.
-A.M.

Internal Pyramid Scheme? (2, Insightful)

4of12 (97621) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893641)


when you leave you're forced to liquidate all your holdings in the company.

As long as the company size is growing or stable there's no problem here.

What, pray tell, would happen if some big contracts didn't come through and a bunch of people were all let go at the same time?

Seems to me, with the constrained marketplace for SAIC shares, you could get a big drop in the effective share price. The people going out the door would be doubly pissed: once for having been let go, once for getting a pittance for their shares as they depart into the ranks of the unemployed.

Re:Private Company (1)

Flabby Boohoo (606425) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893714)

How do they prevent people outside the company from owning stock?

That IS powerful technology.

Re:Private Company (1)

Mr.Intel (165870) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893733)

How do they prevent people outside the company from owning stock?

That IS powerful technology.

The stock is not publicly traded, IOW it is private stock. The article explains it in the first couple of paragraphs.

Re:Private Company (1)

SuDZ (450180) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893772)

Did you think people actually were reading the story :) ?

SuDZ

Re:Private Company (1)

Mr.Intel (165870) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893808)

No, but maybe this will prod them in the right direction...

What does being listed have to do with secrecy? (4, Insightful)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893484)

This is one company that i certainly hope never IPO's...imagine taking decisions about secret technologies to the stock holders...

What, like these companies?

Boeing [wsrn.com]
Lockheed Martin [wsrn.com]
United Technologies [wsrn.com]

Being listed on the stock exchange hasn't lead to these companies (and many others like them) being denied defense contracts or them leaking military secrets so why should you expect that to be a problem for SAIC?

Going Public (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893587)

This is one company that i certainly hope never IPO's...imagine taking decisions about secret technologies to the stock holders...

Yeah, just imagine...

I wish I could pull this back up:
2001-03-30 23:34:37 CIA Goes Investing in High-Tech as In-Q-Tel (articles,tech) (rejected)

Whom are the stockholders of the CIA? (rhetorical question)

Re:Going Public (1)

mgessner (46612) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893741)

Who are the stockholders in the CIA?

I know it was a rhetorical question, but, if you're an American citizen... *YOU* are a stockholder...

Whether you like it or not, and whether you think they're good or bad... *YOU* (or maybe your parents, if you don't vote or pay taxes) own them.

Granted, you're a minority stockholder... :-)

Anyway, if you pay taxes and vote, then it's part of the government that past citizens voted for.

I'm not sure how necessary it is today vs. how necessary it was back during the Cold War. Yes, mistakes have been made. Yes, some of the agents/employees were overzealous.

But I'm glad they're on *my* side...

Flame away; I'm wearing my asbestos shirt and jeans today :)

Re:Private Company (1)

GMontag (42283) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893674)

Ahem, CACI [caci.com] and many other companies do the SAME "sensitive" work, are subs and primes on the same contracts/projects, and are publically traded.

This is such an over speculated issue that I almost have to laugh whenever it makes it's rounds back into "news". In the 90's it was 'SAIC is really the government' and 'SAIC secretly runs the government', etc.

All SAIC does is tell the employees what their "stock" is worth without allowing a market to give them a second opinion.

I have a hangover... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893379)

There's nothing like seeing the Bill-Borg icon at the top of the page... just below a banner ad paid for by Microsoft. Slashdot is run by a bunch of hypocrytical fucks.

SAIC is Employee-Owned - Employee-Ownership Rocks (5, Interesting)

kryzx (178628) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893383)

One of the coolest things about SAIC is that it's employee owned. The structure of the company was truly revolutionary, and has a lot to do with its success.

I work for an employee-owned company that is modeled after SAIC, and it is pretty cool. You can clearly see that your work is contributing to the success of the company, which is driving the growth of the stock value, which is putting money in your pocket. And we attract a lot of top-notch people because of that.

If you didn't read too far into the article you might get the wrong impression, though. Twice on the first page they say that it's privately held, and it's only on the second page where employee ownership is discussed.

The "invisible company" angle of this article cracks me up. Seems like you can't swing a dead cat without hitting an SAIC employee. Everyone knows about them. They're everywhere. Finding a person who hadn't heard of SAIC would about as easy as finding someone who hasn't heard of Microsoft. But I guess that's just my world. Good article, tho.

BTW, if you are a java programmer in the DC area interested in doing defense work with a great company, send me your resume.

Re:SAIC is Employee-Owned - Employee-Ownership Roc (0)

Blaine Hilton (626259) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893410)

Oh my, the security of our country is now resting on java developers recruited on slashdot. At least the DOD is hiring workers from within their own country though...

Re:SAIC is Employee-Owned - Employee-Ownership Roc (2, Funny)

kryzx (178628) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893465)

heh. :-)

I bet at least 20% of /. readers are in the gov't and defense industry. 'Course, they don't have nearly as much time to write comments as all the unemployed dot-commers.

(ok, before you flame me, I can make fun of unemployed dot-commers because I was one back in the day. An awful lot of us landed in the defense world.)

Re:SAIC is Employee-Owned - Employee-Ownership Roc (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893722)


And I'd bet that at least 40% of slashdot readers are filthy liberal tree-kissing dog-humping stinking anti-capitalist linus-sucking faggots.

Re:SAIC is Employee-Owned - Employee-Ownership Roc (1)

William Tanksley (1752) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893607)

Read the post you're replying to again. The author is advertising his own employee-owned business, not SAIC.

-Billy

Re:SAIC is Employee-Owned - Employee-Ownership Roc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893805)

no you read it asshat. yeah it's his own company, but its doing defense work which is what the comment you responded to is about.

my email addr (1)

kryzx (178628) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893418)

my email addr, for those who don't want to go searching my info...

kryzx@jeh.net

Re:my email addr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893572)

my email addr, for those who don't want to go searching my info...

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Re:SAIC is Employee-Owned - Employee-Ownership Roc (1)

xanadu-xtroot.com (450073) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893466)

Seems like you can't swing a dead cat without hitting an SAIC employee.

That's Scene 24, right?

Re:SAIC is Employee-Owned - Employee-Ownership Roc (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893470)



One of the coolest things about SAIC is that it's employee owned. The structure of the company was truly revolutionary, and has a lot to do with its success.

Bzzzt, wrong! Thank you, try again next time.

the fotm is that SAIC is union owned and controlled. The employees have little or no influence outside of what the union controls - which seems like a good thing, because the union controls ALL of SAIC. But the employees don't really participate in the union. They pay the dues, get some benefits and negotiation, and that's about it. The union is controlled almost entirely by politicians and, in fact, by SAIC management itself.

Don't believe me? Go ahead, start asking about it. See how long it is until you start getting phone calls and hang-ups at 3AM. Or mysterious flat tires. Or your mail comes up missing.

Trust me, I know more about this than I want to. I hope I can provide details later on.

Re:SAIC is Employee-Owned - Employee-Ownership Roc (1)

Anomylous Howard (666178) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893582)

Union? At SAIC?

Ha!!!

Surely, thou art a troll.

Re:SAIC is Employee-Owned - Employee-Ownership Roc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893626)

holy shit you're naive.

Re:SAIC is Employee-Owned - Employee-Ownership Roc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893775)


Why is this modded down, esp. as a troll? The SAIC does have some very serious Union problems.

Re:SAIC is Employee-Owned - Employee-Ownership Roc (1)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893501)

The interesting point about SAIC is the "private market" for company shares that the company itself maintains. How well does that really work for employees who don't want to have a disproportionate share of their savings tied to their company's stock?

Re:SAIC is Employee-Owned - Employee-Ownership Roc (4, Insightful)

cje (33931) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893583)

The interesting point about SAIC is the "private market" for company shares that the company itself maintains. How well does that really work for employees who don't want to have a disproportionate share of their savings tied to their company's stock?

Well, for one thing, the 401(K) plan gives you a list of mutual funds/bonds/etc. of varying degree of risk to invest in, pretty much the same as any typical 401(K). You don't need to invest in SAIC if you don't want to (although you certainly can.) SAIC's company match is given in the form of SAIC stock, but that is hardly unusual.

SAIC gives its employees lots of chances to buy company stock (and stock options), and it gives out things like stock options and fully-vested shares as performance bonuses, but nobody is required to invest their retirement savings in it. If somebody's got 100% of their retirement funds in SAIC stock, that's because that's the way they wanted it.

Re:SAIC is Employee-Owned - Employee-Ownership Roc (1)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893615)

My question was more geared as to how that market works - since it doesn't use the public capital markets for price determination, how does the price get set in the first place?

Re:SAIC is Employee-Owned - Employee-Ownership Roc (2, Informative)

cje (33931) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893664)

That's a good question. :-) SAIC has got a broker/dealer subsidiary called Bull, Inc. that essentially operates an internal market that allows employees to buy or sell shares. The price is determined by a process too complicated for me to explain (based on performance of similar companies, other external market factors, etc.) It sounds a bit unusual (like the fox guarding the henhouse, since Bull is an SAIC subsidiary) but something must be working.

Re:SAIC is Employee-Owned - Employee-Ownership Roc (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893541)

SAIC played a huge part in the Venezuelan government-owned PDVSA lockout. SAIC handled all the computer related technologies of the billion-dollar company, and when the strike started all the computer systems where sabotaged (thousands of machines with all the passwords changed, wireless network cards for shutting down the gas-filling plants when tried to be restarted, and a lot more).

How can this be? In a country that has a oil industry of over 40 billion US$ a year, how can a known US defense contractor and spymaster get hold of all the computer systems? Well, some time ago (about six years ago) the president of Venezuela, seeing the inminent election of Hugo Chavez as the next president, hurried a deal between SAIC and PDVSA to create a PDVSA subsidiary called INTEVEP. INTEVEP was the technology provider for PDVSA and, as specified in the contract, it had a monopoly of all technology related operations in the state owned PDVSA. The idea was this: PDVSA gave all the infrastructure and hardware (computers, offices, etc), and SAIC gave almost nothing. At the end they where 50-50 partners (how come, nobody knows ...).

When the oil strike started on december, INTEVEP was one of the first to stop working, cancelling contracts with thousands of independent contractors who, to this day, remain on the streets without a job. Meanwhile, the people who took over the administration of PDVSA and relaunched the operations started to cease the contract with SAIC and decided to liquidate INTEVEP.

Guess what??? The contract signed 6 years ago says very clear that, in the case where PDVSA cancelled the contract, it had to pay (buy to) SAIC for all the INTEVEP properties, which were given by PDVSA as its part of the agreement.

In the end, PDVSA has paid over a hundred million dollars, and a lot more has to yet be paid for infrastructure and obsolete hardware that had been bought by them in the first place.

Re:SAIC is Employee-Owned - Employee-Ownership Roc (1)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893616)

I start working for SAIC next Monday - I am actually pretty stoked to see what's up inside the company.

Re:SAIC is Employee-Owned - Employee-Ownership Roc (1)

John Jorsett (171560) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893704)

I start working for SAIC next Monday - I am actually pretty stoked to see what's up inside the company.

Step 1 is an ass-numbing 8-hour indoctrination into the company and how not to harrass people, how to report wrongdoing, yada yada yada. I just went through it a few months ago and boy did it suck. Not to mention that the Human Resources people have the flexibility of a piece of ceramic. Other than that, it's been ok.

Re:SAIC is Employee-Owned - Employee-Ownership Roc (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893749)


Step 2 is learning how to swallow nut nectar without gagging.

SAIC (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893387)

Are a bunch of beltway bandits

Re:SAIC (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893497)


SLASHDOT

Are a bunch of butthole bandits.

Scared (-1, Offtopic)

fobbman (131816) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893392)

Am I going to have to be killed if I read the article?

Re:Scared (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893646)

Am I going to have to be killed if I read the article?>


Dont worry, you wont be missed.

This is what people need to be reading (5, Insightful)

Blaine Hilton (626259) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893393)

If people are not paranoid about governments watching everything and placing every tidbit of information in huge underground databases then this is the article that will open eyes.

I for one have never heard of this company before today and I'm pretty shocked. I've been pretty vocal about worries on TIA issues, but geeze...

On the other hand perhaps it was better "before" when we the people didn't know about everything and just believed blindly in our government to protect us.

Jesus Christ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893521)

Put your tinfoil hat on, why don't you? SAIC has been around since the sixties.

Re:This is what people need to be reading (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893530)

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Re:This is what people need to be reading (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893534)


If I were Blaine Hilton, and I had the world's largest collection of violent negroid kiddie porn stored on my hard drive, I'd be concerned about the government having huge databases too. I'd also be worried about my floorboards supporting the weight of all the crusty tissues collecting underneath my desk.

I'm just sayin'.

Re:This is what people need to be reading (2, Interesting)

pmz (462998) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893553)

I for one have never heard of this company before today and I'm pretty shocked. I've been pretty vocal about worries on TIA issues, but geeze...

You won't hear about most defense contractors. In truth, they are everywhere--a dime a dozen. Some small doing integration work, some immense building B-2 bombers or Eshelawn. SAIC isn't anything special, really, other than some of the other things mentioned here (employee ownership, etc.).

If this article is any eye-opener for you, then please don't turn around...

Ajax Amsterdam (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893401)

Goalkeepers
1 Bogdan Lobont 18.01.1978 Romania
21 Joey Didulica 14.10.1977 Australia
31 Maarten Stekelenburg 22.09.1982 Netherlands
32 Henk Timmer 03.12.1971 Netherlands
41 Fred Grim 17.08.1965 Netherlands
Defenders
2 Hatem Trabelsi 25.01.1977
3 André Bergdølmo 13.10.1971 Norway
5 Cristian Chivu 26.10.1980 Romania
16 Petri Pasanen 24.09.1980 Finland
18 John O'Brien 29.08.1977 USA
22 Abubakari Yakubu 13.12.1981 Ghana
24 Jelle Van Damme 10.10.1983 Belgium
26 Nigel De Jong 30.11.1984 Netherlands
Midfielders
4 Tomás Galásek 15.01.1973 Czech Republic
8 Richard Witschge 20.09.1969 Netherlands
10 Steven Pienaar 17.03.1982 South Africa
13 Maxwell 27.08.1981 Brazil
20 Jari Litmanen 20.02.1971 Finland
23 Rafael van der Vaart 11.02.1983 Netherlands
25 David Mendes 04.08.1982 Netherlands
30 Stefano Seedorf 28.04.1982 Netherlands
37 Wesley Sneijder 09.06.1984 Netherlands
Forwards
7 Andy van der Meyde 30.09.1979 Netherlands
9 Zlatan Ibrahimovic 03.10.1981 Sweden
17 Wamberto 13.12.1974 Brazil
27 Victor Sikora 11.04.1978 Netherlands
28 Nourdin Boukhari 30.06.1980 Netherlands

Coach
Ronald KOEMAN

Real Madrid (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893456)

Goalkeepers
1 Iker Casillas 20.05.1981 Spain
13 César Sánchez 02.09.1971 Spain
25 Carlos Sánchez 19.01.1978 Spain
Defenders
2 Míchel Salgado 22.10.1975 Spain
3 Roberto Carlos 10.04.1973 Brazil
4 Fernando Hierro 23.03.1968 Spain
17 Oscar Miñambres 01.02.1981 Spain
22 Francisco Pavón 09.01.1980 Spain
29 Rubén González 29.01.1982 Spain
Midfielders
5 Zinedine Zidane 23.06.1972 France
6 Iván Helguera 28.03.1975 Spain
8 Steve McManaman 11.02.1972 England
10 Luis Figo 04.11.1972 Portugal
16 Flavio Conceição 12.06.1974 Brazil
19 Esteban Cambiasso 18.08.1980 Argentina
20 Albert Celades 29.09.1975 Spain
21 Santiago Solari 07.10.1976 Argentina
24 Claude Makelele 18.02.1973 France
27 Núñez 15.01.1979 Spain
Forwards
7 Raúl González 27.06.1977 Spain
9 Fernando Morientes 05.04.1976 Spain
11 Ronaldo 22.09.1976 Brazil
12 Tote 23.11.1978 Spain
14 Guti 31.10.1976 Spain
18 Javier Portillo 30.03.1982 Spain

Coach
Vicente DEL BOSQUE

Huh?! (1)

rhs98 (513802) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893402)

intelligence officials say they're pumping new material through SAIC-designed systems virtually around the clock This sounds dodgy: they must be checking everything (text messages etc) to beable to narrow it down to just the ones they're looking for if the terrorists keep changing phones. Surely this is illegal?

Re:Huh?! (1)

blahlemon (638963) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893467)

Even though it is illegal to intercept a communication without a warrant the only why you would even know about it is if the intercepted communication was used against you some how.

The tough question is how much of civial liberty is appropriate to give away in the interest of national security? Especially considering that what is reasonable in one persons view is unreasonable in someone elses.

Re:Huh?! (3, Insightful)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893570)

The tough question is how much of civial liberty is appropriate to give away in the interest of national security?

Zero.

The purpose of national security is to secure the civil liberties of the citizens. Trying to trade civil liberty for national security is like selling your kidneys on the black market to raise money to buy health insurance.

Re:Huh?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893729)

Zero. The purpose of national security is to secure the civil liberties of the citizens. Trying to trade civil liberty for national security is like selling your kidneys on the black market to raise money to buy health insurance.

But would that be a reasonable compromise if you knew that you had cancer for instance? Does there ever come a time when the threat is large enough? This is a common moral dilema. If someone admits to a priest that he is going to go out and kill a school bus full of children, when does the priests ethical obligation to the confessor end and his moral obligation to the children and society begin?

Re:Huh?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893663)

Bullshit. Right now I'm overhearing two of my coworkers quietly discuss some boring office gossip. They think they're being quiet and I have to strain to hear them. I don't have a fucking warrant. Come arrest me, cop-boy. Oned thing I can't stand are hobbyist lawyers. Well, bub, I AM a real lawyer and your post is so far off base I don't even know where to begin dissecting it. Trust me, law enforcement can intercept damn near any communication they want to, at any time, for any reason. The only real limitations are if they're inside your home. And I do mean YOUR home, not a friends or family. So do some research before you go spouting off bullshit like that.

Working at SAIC (4, Informative)

jelwell (2152) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893408)

I worked at SAIC and the oddest thing there was that as an employee you were really dealt with like a contractor. You worked on your project until it was done, and when it was done you were left to your own accord to find a new project to work on. You could hope that your manager would take you with him/her to their next project - but your skillset wouldn't always allow that.

Very strange indeed, having to worry about your job all the time.
joe.

Re:Working at SAIC (1)

pinkfalcon (215531) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893444)

This was my experience too. I was a little more secure in that I worked for a company owned by SAIC, but as soon as we lost our biggest customer, SAIC canned the whole company and sold the assets.

Re:Working at SAIC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893505)

I'm actually still working there part-time completing my final project (I have taken an offer with another company).

I do find the project focus is the main reason I wish to leave. I find that it makes me nervous not knowing whom I'll be working with. Although I've been able to form a lot of relationships, I miss the familiarity of working with a defined team with which I'd have stronger bonds.

We also had to voluntarily take a 15% pay cut last year, which we all did.

Re:Working at SAIC (2, Informative)

PhoenixK7 (244984) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893506)

I worked for NASA through them AS a contractor. I didn't have to deal with SAIC itself that much (except for doing online timesheets, and the initial interview/badging at the beginning). The people I worked with all seemed fairly nice. I was working on visualization systems for modeled climate data. Alot of other folks working through SAIC there were working on the actual modeling.

So.. its not all secret black ops and mining traffic for intelligence purposes ;)

Re:Working at SAIC (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893567)



Very strange indeed, having to worry about your job all the time.

I have found that the best way, when you find yourself in a difficult situation such as this, to secure your job is to kill anyone that has similar skillsets to you. That way you're always the go-to guy. The downside being that you can never sell your house and you have to make up excuses for your unnaturally gree grass all the time.

Re:Working at SAIC (4, Informative)

envelope (317893) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893597)

My wife worked at SAIC, and the uncertainty of the job was part of the reason she left. Ironically, she spent the last couple of months there developing the re-bid to keep the project she was working on. She won the re-bid but quit anyway.
She liked the employee ownership though. We made some money on our shares when she left.
I've got another connection to SAIC: I was in the field artillery in the army and our fire direction control computers were made by SAIC.

Re:Working at SAIC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893654)

was in the field artillery in the army and our fire direction control computers were made by SAIC

That's hilarious! Were you in the Army?

Project Driven Employment (1)

wrax (570032) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893652)

I work in a place where we have to justify ourselves by getting projects that bring in money to the department. Its an interesting place to work, and really fast paced if you want it to be. But you can't ever worry about your job, if you can't find another project then its a bitch, but that gets determined by you, not the company finding work for you to do. This kind of approach keeps people there as long as things are interesting, but when they cool down people have a way of leaving, but we get lots of people that come back to do interesting projects even after they have left, so its a interesting model.

People of SAIC (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893411)


Cmdr Taco enjoys eating the salty tadpole yogurt each and every day.

cool (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893419)

back when I got my PhD and was job hunting, I applied for a couple of jobs with SAIC. They looked like a good company to work for. I ended up with a job somewhere else before I got interviewed with SAIC, though.

CIA Software (-1, Troll)

andy1307 (656570) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893436)

SAIC in reverse is CIAS i.e. CIA software..The CIA's own software company.

Re:CIA Software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893516)


You are:

1) An idiot.
2) A Slashbot. And, most importantly...
3) Not funny.

Re:CIA Software (1)

blahlemon (638963) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893527)

Now that's the sort of conspiricy theory FUD that slashdot has been lacking for a long time! lol.

employment and advancement (3, Informative)

ih8apple (607271) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893452)

I almost worked for SAIC a few years ago. I was about to accept their job offer, but then I was turned off when discussing advancement opportunities within the company. Apparently, unlike most of geekdom which is ruled by skills, the only real way to advance in SAIC is to hang a bunch of degrees and certifications on your wall. Regardless of your skill level, degrees and certifications are what count towards promotions and advancement.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I've met a ton of people with great credentials who are morons and many non-degreed and non-certified people who are excellent people to work and deal with. IMO, there's no hard and fast rule either way. Degrees don't make you smart and vice versa.

Re:employment and advancement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893544)

In defense of SAIC (yes, I work for them), a lot of that is becuse the government contracts require the degrees. There are ways around that if you have a good management team that knows you well and can play the system a bit. I'm in a job my lack of degree says I shouldn't be in right now.

Re:employment and advancement (4, Informative)

William Tanksley (1752) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893578)

Partially true, but SAIC pays you to get those degrees and certs, since they are required by most of SAIC's customers. They pay for the class and and books in full so long as you make a C or better.

Their policy here makes sense, considering that most of their customers (well, their biggest customer, at least; the US gov't) explicitly check each employee assigned to work on the project, and they don't take the time to verify specific knowledge, only certs, degrees, and experience.

The managers, as far as I've found, are very good at cutting through the BS to find real skill; you will get picked if you've got what it takes, but the manager may have to "sell" you to the customer based on some of your other credentials until you actually get something formal.

Good place to work.

-Billy

Re:employment and advancement (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893601)



I don't know about the rest of you, but I've met a ton of people with great credentials who are morons and many non-degreed and non-certified people who are excellent people to work and deal with. IMO, there's no hard and fast rule either way. Degrees don't make you smart and vice versa.

The only "paper certification" that I, personally, give any value to is your mom's weekly AIDs test. If she's clean for the week, I give her my $5 and I get a half decent blow job. I realize that it is possible for the filthy whore to catch the dreaded disease between the time I shoot my man milk into her mouth and when she was tested, but it's worth the risk for a cheap blow.

Re:employment and advancement (4, Insightful)

pmz (462998) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893605)

I don't know about the rest of you, but I've met a ton of people with great credentials who are morons and many non-degreed and non-certified people who are excellent people to work and deal with.

Large corporations are machines. If you don't exist on paper, you don't exist at all.

In all seriousness, if you were an HR person with thousands of employees to track, how would you track them? Get to know them around a campfire singing camp songs or, perhaps more conveniently, a datastore holding all your worthwhile attributes? If it isn't in the data model, it
can't be worthwhile, can it?

Re:employment and advancement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893653)

so, degrees are the only "worthwhile attributes", eh? elitist bastard...

Re:employment and advancement (1)

pmz (462998) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893717)

so, degrees are the only "worthwhile attributes", eh? elitist bastard...

Do I need to use sarcasm tags for you???

Re:employment and advancement (1)

NTT (92764) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893610)

While I agree with your assesment, I think you put the blame in the wrong place. Up until about 5 years ago, 90% of SAIC's work was govt. contracts. Those contracts were the ones that defined having degrees and certifications in order for the worker to be hired. SAIC's hands are tied in those situations. The Co. doesn't get paid if the contractural obligations aren't met.

Re:employment and advancement (1)

John Jorsett (171560) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893756)

I almost worked for SAIC a few years ago. I was about to accept their job offer, but then I was turned off when discussing advancement opportunities within the company. Apparently, unlike most of geekdom which is ruled by skills, the only real way to advance in SAIC is to hang a bunch of degrees and certifications on your wall. Regardless of your skill level, degrees and certifications are what count towards promotions and advancement

My experiece having been a consultatnt and now a part-time employee at SAIC is that advancement can be achieved in many ways, not the least of which is the ability to bring in new business. If you develop a good relationship with customers and they keep coming back to you, that's a good way to get promoted. The pressure to keep increasing revenue is intense, however, and I've known a few people who said, "screw this" and went elsewhere. Even as a consultant, I was expected to expend many free hours writing proposals. The employees had it even worse.

Huh (-1, Flamebait)

WndrBr3d (219963) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893454)

A Co-Worker of mine worked for SAIC. She was a compete idiot too.

Perhaps they ARE one of the better IT companies and fire those who are retarded.

SAIC rocks. (5, Interesting)

reaper20 (23396) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893472)

I work for SAIC, and employee ownership is pretty kickass, and the long list of "cool shit" that we do keeps getting larger and larger. My favorite part by far is that since everyone is an owner, the "retard rate" is alot lower - that guy slacking off is costing you money, so everyone busts ass.

The company is VERY conservative, lots of ex-military folks, but even conservative companies understand saving money, so at our division Open Source reigns supreme.

At our office we use Redhat, Debian, PostgreSQL, Bugzilla, and CVS almost exclusively. We all have linux desktops and laptops, even though the "corporate standard" is Exchange. We can get away with this because SAIC acts more like a cluster of tiny companies rather than a monolith. As long as we remain profitable, we can really do almost what we want.

My boss donates space to the local LUG at night to hold meetings, because they recognize the value of fostering professional development, AND it gives them a nice steady hiring pool.

If you ever have a chance to interview for SAIC then do it.

Re:SAIC rocks. (1)

TechnoGrl (322690) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893593)

I work for SAIC, and employee ownership is pretty kickass, and the long list of "cool shit" that we do keeps getting larger and larger. My favorite part by far is that since everyone is an owner, the "retard rate" is alot lower - that guy slacking off is costing you money, so everyone busts ass.



Nice disinfo campaign Spook. "oh! We're all Just a bunch of employee-owned nice guys ...." Who happen to work for the CIA ...yea...right

What's telling (and scary) is how fast you Caught on to the Slashdot article and posted the "We're a bunch of warm an fuzzy guys.... don't worry about us" B.S.

Re:SAIC rocks. (1)

reaper20 (23396) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893635)

If you say so ... I never expected to find anything about SAIC on /. it just happened to be here when the story popped up.

Now if you don't mind I need to go, Agent Smith is here and we need to hurry if we're going to tap your phone line.

Re:SAIC rocks. (1)

mazeone (5457) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893705)

SAIC doesn't only do intelligence and defense work (even tho they do a lot of that). I work for them as well, as a contractor doing UNIX administration for NASA. Since I work at a NASA facility, I barely have any contact with SAIC corporate, except that every two weeks they give me a paycheck :)

(standard disclaimers apply, i'm speaking for myself not for SAIC, etc)

Re:SAIC rocks. (2, Funny)

unicron (20286) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893682)

The sharpest guy I've ever met works for them, so they must have something to offer. I also believe his Future Crew demoZ got him in the door, but his ansi art got him the job.

Re:SAIC rocks. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893687)

Right. You really expext anyone to beleive that crap? Go away karma whore.

If you really do work there, it is most likely in the cafeteria.

Loser.

There's certainly more to it (5, Funny)

showmeshowyoukikoman (659208) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893493)

After reading the article through two or three times, I can certainly say it's interesting. What is REALLY interesting though is the message embedded in the article. Didn't expect that, did you?

Seriously, check it out. ROT13 the article, then drop every other character. Finally, use the alphabet backwards starting a S for one char, then A for the next, I for the next, C for the next, and repeat.

VERY clever. The message is certainly worth the effort decrypting.

KIKOMAN

Re:There's certainly more to it (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893686)

It says: "showmeshowyoukikoman is a fscking moron."

Sensalism to hide the author's ingorance (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893531)

SAIC is not secretive. It just doesn't a "Investor Relations" dept. whose job is to hype its name on Wall St. and CNBC.

SAIC _has_ bid against itself for government contracts (highly embarassing). This is because the company is very diversified and has little vertical control coordination. Each unit operates like a small business. They are responsible for their own profit/loss. I've known a unit a unit to sub-contract to another company, because they didn't know the capability was already in house.

Employee ownership:
All employees are equal, but some are more equal than others.

How many SAIC ppl read /. (0, Offtopic)

NTT (92764) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893537)

I'm curious about how many SAIC emps read /. I started a journal entry to find out. http://slashdot.org/~NTT/journal/32648

You can't even use basic HTML... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893618)

...and you expect people to respect your journal entry?

<a href="http://slashdot.org/~NTT/journal/32648">Clic k here for the journal entry</a>

Is that too difficult for you? I mean, hell, you've got a reasonably low userid, how can you struggle with that?

It's an interesting experience working for SAIC (4, Interesting)

marian (127443) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893592)

Do keep in mind that experience is what you get when you don't get what you want.

With that in mind, it was definitely an experience working for a devision of SAIC. I actually spent a week in corporate HQ looking for some data and the atmosphere there was kind of weird. An odd combination of arrogance and insecurity based on performance. The only way to justify your existence and paycheck when you work for SAIC is to be clocking hours against a billable project. When that project is done you had better hope the management above you has found another project to work on or you'll be out on your ass. All of the worst parts of being a contractor, but without the higher pay.

Not That Impressed (2, Informative)

rherbert (565206) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893599)

I'm a subcontractor at Lockheed Martin along with a number of SAIC subs, and I can't say that I've been all that impressed with all of them. Most of them that I've known have been testers, so maybe that's the low rung at SAIC. Also, they never appeared to be that happy with SAIC.

I'd much prefer to be in my situation, where two guys own 51% of the company and give out stock to exceptional employees instead of everyone. They make sure we get great benefits, and despite our high fringe rate, our overall rates are still lower than most because of our low overhead.

Re:Not That Impressed (1)

pmz (462998) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893650)

I'm a subcontractor at Lockheed Martin along with a number of SAIC subs, and I can't say that I've been all that impressed with all of them.

This is what every defense contractor says about every other defense contractor. Don't be suprised if you find out what those SAIC guys say about you!

Also, companies like SAIC are so damn big, that the people you are working with are not representative of the company. I've worked with some people from Raytheon who couldn't shoot fish in a barrel, but, then, I never had the chance to meet their people who design aircraft and radar systems. There has to be a few smart cookies in there somewhere.

Re:Not That Impressed (1)

rherbert (565206) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893708)

Heh. When any of the other subs (or even Lockheed employees) see a bunch of people from my company together, they say, "Are you going on another dang Sycamore luncheon?!" So our reputation preceeds us.

Re:Not That Impressed (1)

cK-Gunslinger (443452) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893783)

I've worked with some people from ... who couldn't shoot fish in a barrel, but, then, I never had the chance to meet their people who design aircraft and radar systems.
Hi, nice to meet you.

Skynet (1)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893600)

I heard that they are working on a new project called Skynet or something like. Something along the lines of an AI to help protect us...

Re:Skynet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5893713)

I heard that project got terminated

I worked for SAIC way back in 1986 in NewPort, RI (3, Interesting)

MrJerryNormandinSir (197432) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893609)

When I was just starting out in the field I worked for SAIC in NewPort, RI. before the days of GPS. They designed a Satelite calibrated Loran system. The best part of the job was going out to sea testing the equipment. We would go out to find a submerged bouy, get to the coordinates, release the bouy to see how close we got. It was a fun job. Ah... but I was young and I wanted my career to evolve and work with embedded controllers. I'd have to say the SAIC partys were pretty cool too.

No sir, I don't like it. (1)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893681)

Much of the work may be hidden, but it has never been more vital. SAIC is on the front lines of today's most momentous national security battles. It's not too much to say that the future safety of many Americans rests in the aged hands of a brilliant and quirky septuagenarian and his clandestine army of techno geeks.

A nice piece of prop...writing.

I, for one, would feel safer without top secret companies and organizations, because what you don't know can hurt you.

The problem with companies that deal in security is, they're always trying to convince you that you need them, as it would be counterproductive for them to admit, at any time, that they are not needed. (Also an interesting problem with pharmeceutical companies.)

But that's just my cynical view...

It's not sooo bad... (0, Redundant)

8-balll (655546) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893697)

SAIC is actually the parent company of my compnay(AMSEC LLC). It's really a cool company to work for, especially the stock options...Of course I work offsite of our office, and have gotten a pretty good thing going supporting the fleet... Such is life...

LSI prolly... (1)

gearheadsmp (569823) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893699)

LSI is prolly what enables Echelon to process so many faxes and conversations.

Little Robots Hand Out (2, Funny)

Shamanin (561998) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893726)

Imagine one of those robots (depicted in the article) approaching you with its menacing video camera peering at you. What's the first thing any sane person would do... labotomize it (and in the process gain a free iPAQ).

I too, used to work for SAIC (1)

plagioclase (454483) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893739)

I was surprised to see that they were mentioned on slashdot. Ever since working for them, I've rarely met anyone who has even heard of the name. But I guess they don't need to advertise to the general public.

Contracting for them was actually my first professional programming experience, as I had only completed two years of a four year degree when I started. I wasn't working on any of the cutting edge stuff mentioned in the article though, our project was an internal website.

It was a good experience, even though I never really got any ownership of my own...and we had to wear ties.

Trackball (2, Informative)

The Iconoclast (24795) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893743)

I've got a trackball built by SAIC. It's lasted me for, oh, 5 years? And it still shows NO signs of anything approaching failure. I got it off ebay, the seller claimed it was designed for submarines and I wouldn't be surprised. It's ugly as hell and about 1/3 the size of a 104-key keyboard but with keyboard key buttons instead of lame ass normal microswitch type buttons. I have yet to figure out how to take the ball out to clean it, but then again, it has never been necessary to do so.
I have the distinct impression that this thing could take a .45 round right through the middle and keep on working. Pair this up with one of those old IBM "tank" PS/2 keyboards and NOTHING will ever stop you from inputting into your computer.

Not just secrets (2, Informative)

dnaboy (569188) | more than 11 years ago | (#5893785)

I have a relative who works for SAIC, and it's not all spooks and defense work. The National Institutes of Health also sub contracts large portions of it's intramural research to SAIC labs, both on the main Bethesda MD campus and sattelite campuses scattered around. As for the quality of the organization, relative to the rest of the NIH, it really depends. The cost sensitivites are a bit different than working for the government proper, and perhaps there is a slightly higher caliber of employees at SAIC, but that may as much be the lack of cushy, sit in the break room and read the paper, job security a government job gets you.
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