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Apple Releases Mac OS X 10.2.6

pudge posted more than 11 years ago | from the six-megs-of-monday-goodness dept.

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Numeric writes "Apple has released 10.2.6 update, which you can read in detail. Here's a partial list: Addresses an issue for Mac OS X 10.2.5 in which a kernel panic message may appear if certain USB hubs or devices are connected. Addresses an issue for Mac OS X 10.2.5 in which English is the default language and Asian language scripts are not be available in the International preference pane, if a script's font is not available. Address Book now supports the Sony Ericsson T610 phone."

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Kind of a small list (1)

dynayellow (106690) | more than 11 years ago | (#5895177)

Granted, anything that can cause a kernel panic is serious is enough to warrant a patch, but it seems like its an otherwise small list of fixes, even for for a point release.

Re:Kind of a small list (2, Interesting)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 11 years ago | (#5895311)

They're probably spending most of their time getting 10.3 (Panther) ready for release. It's gonna be interesting seeing if Panther really _will_ be available in a 64-bit variant for use on the PPC970 machines.

Re:Kind of a small list (4, Interesting)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 11 years ago | (#5895489)

It is a small list of fixes. 10.2.5 was released less then 3 weeks ago, if memory serves.

Apple just needed to get the 10.2.6 patch out quickly, because it was a pretty signifigant bug for some people.

Since the fix is probably at the kernel level, the fix warrants it's own patch version.

This was my first real experience with an OS X problem. Took me 3 hours to figure out that my Godmother's G4 was crashing because of the USB hub. Pro bono, but at least I got some homecooked meals and some education out of the exchange :)

perhaps not that small, actually (1, Informative)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5895525)

The 10.2.6 Update delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for the following applications, utilities, services, and technologies: Address Book, AppleScript, Bluetooth, Classic compatibility, Disk Copy, Disk Utility, Finder, Graphics, Help Viewer, iChat, Image Capture, IP Firewall, Kerberos, Mail, OpenGL, Print Center, Rendezvous and Sherlock. The update includes improvements to AFP, Web services, dial up connections over PPP, and Windows file services, as well as audio, disc recording, and printing improvements and PC Card, USB, FireWire and SCSI device compatibility enhancements. The update also provides updated security services and includes the latest Security Updates.

Re:perhaps not that small, actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5896346)

Isn't it the generic description that is provided with every 10.2.x update? At least I seem to remember having read this exact text for every one of them (in Software Update).

Re:perhaps not that small, actually (5, Informative)

JJSpreij (84475) | more than 11 years ago | (#5896426)

The above list is not correct for the 10.2.6 update. Software Update just says:

The 10.2.6 Update delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for the following applications, services and technologies: Address Book, Graphics, Printing, OpenGL, and PC Card and USB hub device compatibility.

For detailed information on this Update, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n25448

The too-long list in the parent is probably the full list of changes from 10.2 to 10.2.6

List is correct (2, Insightful)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5896953)

Not everyone is sitting at 10.2.5.

New computers on the shelf, as an example, are at 10.2.3. This means that 10.2.6 is small over 10.2.5 only...but if you buy a new computer today, or you haven't yet moved to 10.2.5, and you proceed to install 10.2.6, you will see a much longer list.

What part of 'perhaps' in the parent caused you confusion?

Re:List is misleading (5, Informative)

JJSpreij (84475) | more than 11 years ago | (#5899379)

Not everyone is sitting at 10.2.5. New computers on the shelf, as an example, are at 10.2.3.

Like I said: The too-long list in the parent is probably the full list of changes from 10.2 to 10.2.6. What part of 'probably' in the parent caused you confusion ;-?

But seriously, in the context of this specific update that's just come out it's not very interesting (not to say misleading) to list all changes of earlier updates, attributing them all to 10.2.6.

For the specific changes from 10.2.1 to 10.2.5, if that's what you're interested in, just check these Apple knowledgebase articles: 107036, 107140, 107263, 107362, 25405 (for instance 107036 [apple.com] )

I could make you a list of changes since 10.0, or even Mac OS 7.5.... that would look even more impressive. But it wouldn't help anybody much.

Talk to Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5899425)

...it's their list. Not mine. Sorry if you were mislead.

Re:Talk to Apple (1)

JJSpreij (84475) | more than 11 years ago | (#5899457)

It's not Apple's list actually, but a copy/paste from www.macintouch.com [macintouch.com] website

If it's Apple's list, please tell us where on Apple's website we can find that list.

Re:Talk to Apple (2, Informative)

JJSpreij (84475) | more than 11 years ago | (#5899477)

To answer own question, the very long list is indeed here 70174 [apple.com] , but it's for the Combo Updater which lists all changes since 10.2

Re:Kind of a small list (3, Insightful)

JGski (537049) | more than 11 years ago | (#5895668)

:-) Yes, but if you are the one the kernel panic happens to... My Epson 1640U scanner started causing panics seemingly out of the blue about two weeks ago. I had update to 10.2.5 a while back but had brought the scanner out of the garage for a quick project two days before. The timing of both events obscured the cause pretty well. Since my Mac is my primary Let me forgot I know anything about computers and just get the work done machine, this gave me a fright. Did I install something evil? Did I run out of disk? Worst it would kernel panic again within 5-10 minutes of rebooting from a kernel panic. Fortunately I tracked it down to the USB from the logs and presumptively to the scanner. Shutting it off did the trick. I'm actually excited about this patch! :-)

Re:Kind of a small list (2, Informative)

Duck_Taffy (551144) | more than 11 years ago | (#5898268)

I had it a bit worse than this - my Wacom tablet caused a kernel panic on every other boot, about 20 seconds after pressing the power button, while it was still on the grey screen. All fixed now!

Re:Kind of a small list (1)

dwightk (415372) | more than 11 years ago | (#5900620)

The reason it stayed on the grey screen is because it was doing disk checks and stuff... that wasn't a bunch of kernel panics "every other boot"

Re:Kind of a small list (1)

Duck_Taffy (551144) | more than 11 years ago | (#5907233)

It does, however, load the USB software while it's on that screen, and it would kernel panic regardless of wether or not it was properly shut down. Every other boot, I got the kernel panic screen instructing me to hold down the power key until the machine shut down. The next boot, it was fine. The only common denominator in the various configurations I tried was the USB tablet, and now that I've installed 10.2.6, it doesn't happen at all anymore. And even if fsck came up clean, it still did that kernel panic every other boot.

but what about my battery (0)

antadam (531507) | more than 11 years ago | (#5895179)

i hope they didn't introduce any extra "features" like blowing out my battery again...if i'm not back in 20 minutes, it means i've crashed... nah i just wanted to be the first person to post.

Re:but what about my battery (2, Insightful)

trouser (149900) | more than 11 years ago | (#5896684)

Did 10.2.5 or 10.2.6 fix the battery problem ?

Did the battery problem really exist ? There's no official word from Apple, just a lot of speculation from disgruntled customers. Batteries do wear out.

My iBook battery died very quickly soon after installing 10.2.4, but I use the machine daily both on and off mains and regularly have uptimes of > 30 days because I sleep the machine instead of turning it off. I suppose that's probably a little hard on the battery.

That said, since I bought my new battery (AU$275) I've been running Linux and I'm wary of reinstalling OSX.

Re:but what about my battery (1)

ertdredge (658656) | more than 11 years ago | (#5896950)

I've been waiting on this myself. I talked to someone at the Apple store back when 10.2.4 was setting everyone on edge with the battery issue and was told "Apple's well aware of it, I expect them to be releasing something soon."

I suppose the answer made me go away.

- Ert

Re:but what about my battery (1)

antadam (531507) | more than 11 years ago | (#5897029)

battery seems to still be going strong. i had an issue w/getting developer tools to run (even after a reinstall) after i installed 10.2.5 so i'm happy w/10.2.6 right now

Re:but what about my battery (-1, Flamebait)

yomegaman (516565) | more than 11 years ago | (#5898551)

Well, here's what I saw:

500MHz 2001 iBook - I had no problems with 10.2.4, either with the battery that came with it or with a replacement bought around January or so (the original battery was down to a couple hours)

The 500MHz job finally gave out, so I bought an 800MHz model to replace it. After upgrading to 10.2.4, I had two or three episodes where the battery would drop to 0% a few seconds after unplugging the power cable. Updated to 10.2.5, soon afterward the battery dropped to 0% and would no longer recharge. This made me very angry, that Apple had so long to fix things and did not do so.

I returned that machine and bought a Centrino-based Acer instead. This machine is a dream compared to the two iBooks. In the PC world the manufacturers compete by adding features, instead of gratuitously disabling features to try to make you step up the Powerbook line. Apple can kiss my ass.

Re:but what about my battery (2)

trouser (149900) | more than 11 years ago | (#5898980)

Hmmm...I've been thinking of going the same way but, other than the battery problem, the iBook is a really nice machine.

Also, it runs Linux really well. X is fast. And an interesting thing is that most of the hardware in the iBook is well supported in Linux now. Apple are pretty good with publishing fairly detailed hardware specs and there are far fewer hardware configuration variations with Macs so Linux driver developers don't have to deal with the constantly moving target that confronts Wintel guys.

I bought the iBook so I'd have a portable *nix box. I'm seriously starting to think that I chose the right hardware but the wrong OS. Linux is great on this hardware.

Repair Permissions (3, Informative)

mgaiman (151782) | more than 11 years ago | (#5895194)

As always, it is a good idea to repair your permissions after an OS update (though this update isn't huge). It always seems to speed things up a little for me.

Applications/Utilities/Disk Utility

Re:Repair Permissions (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5895457)

There is absolutely no way that repairing permissions could have any effect on performance. Impossible. Can't happen. If your permissions are broken, certain things won't work (like Sendmail, if you're running it), but they won't run slower.

Re:Repair Permissions (5, Informative)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 11 years ago | (#5895502)

It also does a fsck -y to the system... and runs the rest of the standard UNIX maintenance jobs, like log rotation, etc. There is a slim chance you would see a noticeable difference.

Re:Repair Permissions (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5897835)

fsck -y is run every time the system is started up- it happens during the grey apple sprocket screen, unless of course, you have enabled file journalling on your system:

sudo diskutil enableJournal /

Re:Repair Permissions (4, Insightful)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 11 years ago | (#5895559)

Two questions:

- Why are the permisions not installed correctly in the first place?

- Why is it called 'repair permissions', when it actually runs a slew of other tests like fsck?

Re:Repair Permissions (3, Funny)

switcha (551514) | more than 11 years ago | (#5898203)

Why is it called 'repair permissions', when it actually runs a slew of other tests like fsck?

Because, due to the nature of the marketing of this product, it's made to be "Grandma Friendly".

Doesn't "Repair Permissions" sound better than "I'm gonna do a whole bunch of shit to your hard drive right about now buddy. You sure you want to do this?"?

Re:Repair Permissions (2, Informative)

Matty_ (74368) | more than 11 years ago | (#5899192)

What do you mean? There are two sets of options: Verify/Repair Permissions and Verify/Repair Disk.

Re:Repair Permissions (4, Informative)

tbmaddux (145207) | more than 11 years ago | (#5900139)

- Why are the permisions not installed correctly in the first place?
- Why is it called 'repair permissions', when it actually runs a slew of other tests like fsck?
Right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. The permissions/privs get mucked up when an installer or coder doesn't set them up correctly. "Repairing" them checks the existing permissions of your MacOS X install against a canonical listing of "the way permissions should be" that Disk Utility has.

It's worth noting that that listing has changed, and if you repair permissions while booted from a MacOS X 10.2 CD it will make "fixes" that a later version of Disk Utility will fix back. Permissions war! Also, don't run the standalone "Repair Priviledges" program in MacOS X 10.2; that software was for 10.1.5 only.

"Repair permissions" is one task that Disk Utility does, separate from verify/repair disk volumes (aka fsck) or formatting/partitioning. It also runs on the command line (type 'diskutil' for a list of options; it has no 'man' page).

Lastly, IMO this is something of a "voodoo" fix. I have run many Software Updates and not seen broken permissions after the installation. Sometimes I do see them. It's never caused me much concern but I still do it. Better go run it now, bye!

Re:Repair Permissions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5921287)

I've never seen Software Update screw up permissions, either, at least for OS updates.

Software installers mess up permissions all the time. iTunes4's installer messed up some permissions on my box, so it's not just third party apps.

Running it after an OS update (though it's a better idea to do it before) just catches all the stuff you've installed recently IMHO...

Re:Repair Permissions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5902068)

The only incorrect thing that "Repair Permissions" has ever found on my box is some 3rd party stuff that was installed rwxrwxrwx.

Of course to a typical Mac user, that sounds like some highly scary technical problem that they've successfully resolved, so the "Repair Permissions" meme spreads further and further.

The big problem is that "Repair Permissions"'s output is in Unixese and is very un-Mac-like. It should say something like "[File] should not have Write and Execute permissions for All Users. Fixed."

Re:Repair Permissions (2, Interesting)

sharkman67 (548107) | more than 11 years ago | (#5900505)

I installed the update and after restart picked up an additional 250MB of disk space. I know this because I didn't have enough drive space (500MB) required for the system update as well as QT 6.2. I made just enough space to install the upadates and upon reboot had almost 800MB available.

The only permissions out of whack were: ./System/Library/Filesystems/hfs.fs/hfs.uti, ./private/var/db/locate.database and ./private/var/run/utmp

Re:Repair Permissions (2, Informative)

Tannhauser (564247) | more than 11 years ago | (#5901142)

What happened was that your swap files were removed when you rebooted. The system starts with one swap file (size 80 MB) and creates additional ones (also sized 80 MB) when needed. Unfortunately, the system doesn't remove any of these when the memory load is lower. The only (?) way to get rid of them is to reboot (a more permanent solution would be to buy more RAM :-). You can find the swap files in the /var/vm directory.

--
Stop the continental drift NOW!

Re:Repair Permissions (1)

Orion27 (671651) | more than 11 years ago | (#5903055)

My question is, if Disk Utility is updated in updates, why hasn't the version number of Disk Utility changed? Also, As I am understanding it, I should only repair permissions with the Disk Utility from the boot disk, not say from a Disk Utility from another disk as that utilty woould represent permissions from its own disk? I keep a partitioned second drive which I keep clean save for system updates and to run disk utilities. My question again is if I run permissions repair form the second drive on my main drive, permissions will be skewed? I boot my second drive before I run repair permissions on my main drive.

Important bug fix update (-1, Redundant)

momerath2003 (606823) | more than 11 years ago | (#5895293)

This seems to me to be a small update to fix a few critical issues and to add support to a few small things that don't require much testing.

Unreal 2003? (0)

sexysasian (592552) | more than 11 years ago | (#5895306)

"Improves compatibility for MacSoft Unreal Tournament 2003 on computers with GeForce 2MX and GeForce4MX graphic accelerator chipsets"? Has Unreal 2003 even been released for the Mac?

Re:Unreal 2003? (0)

sexysasian (592552) | more than 11 years ago | (#5895356)

Ok, my bad... http://www.insidemacgames.com/news/story.php?Artic leID=7461

Good... (2, Interesting)

jnetsurfer (637137) | more than 11 years ago | (#5895319)

...Hopefully this will fix my problems using my Rio and my Nikon. I had about a 50% chance I'd get a kernel panic when I tried to use either of them...

Update Size (2)

rsmith-mac (639075) | more than 11 years ago | (#5895401)

If anything, I have to give kudos to Apple for the size of the update. While this update doesn't have as much in it as previous updates, it's also far smaller, at under 7MB. For those of us less-fortunate in terms of broadband, this is much better than swallowing the "horse-pill" that previous updates have been.

Re:Update Size (1)

tuxedobob (582913) | more than 11 years ago | (#5902992)

Heh. Hope you're not planning on getting the Diablo II 1.10 patch.

Oh no! (2, Funny)

Daleks (226923) | more than 11 years ago | (#5895528)

This update erased my HD! It messed up everything! Damn you Apple! I'm going to buy a PC tomorrow!

I just thought I'd get that out of the way. Nothing to see here, move along.

Re:Oh no! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5898356)

So how are you posting this, wise-ass?

(Just thought I send the obvious response too. Cheers!)

Re:Oh no! (2, Funny)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 11 years ago | (#5898516)

That's because there was a space character in your Hard drive's name. This is a known problem, and will be fixed shortly.

Perhaps not so 'minor' as first appears (-1, Redundant)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5895550)

The 10.2.6 Update delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for the following applications, utilities, services, and technologies:

Address Book
AppleScript
Bluetooth
Classic compatibilit
Disk Copy
Disk Utility
Finder
Graphics
Help Viewer
iChat
Image Capture
IP Firewall
Kerberos
Mail
OpenGL
Print Center
Rendezvous
Sherlock

The update includes improvements to AFP, Web services, dial up connections over PPP, and Windows file services, as well as audio, disc recording, and printing improvements and PC Card, USB, FireWire and SCSI device compatibility enhancements.

The update also provides updated security services and includes the latest Security Updates.

Re:Perhaps not so 'minor' as first appears (4, Informative)

Sahib! (11033) | more than 11 years ago | (#5895856)

The text you pasted is from the description of the "Combined" 10.2.6 update, which includes all minor version updates and security patches since 10.2.0.

Here are the relevant KnowledgeBase articles:

thanks for confirming (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5896005)

All the more valid. [macintouch.com]

Let's draw straws (1)

ferret70 (154171) | more than 11 years ago | (#5895562)

Okay, who's gonna be the guinea pig?

Re:Let's draw straws (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5895617)

Me.

I upgraded just a minute ago. It went fine, no trouble at all. I can't tell you whether it fixed the USB thing or not, because I never had the problem to begin with.

Re:Let's draw straws (2, Informative)

Oculus Habent (562837) | more than 11 years ago | (#5901011)

To quote a Mountain Dew commercial:

We got hosed, Tommy. We got hosed.

Anything that uses Keychain access is frigged up for me. Safari wouldn't load without freezing until I denied access to the Auto-Fill list. Mail won't quit. Internet Connect freezed trying to load the password for my VPN session.

So far that's all I've seen.

10.2.6 out for at least an hour... (1)

XnetZERO (560391) | more than 11 years ago | (#5895750)

...and still no UT2k3 announcement out of Epic/MacSoft.

WTF is taking so long guys? This game was supposed to be out by last DECEMBER.

Re:10.2.6 out for at least an hour... (1)

c13v3rm0nk3y (189767) | more than 11 years ago | (#5897726)

I feel your pain.

Well, having a Mac can't be all good.

Re:10.2.6 out for at least an hour... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5898031)

At this rate, they'll have to rename the game UT2k4.

10.2.6 totally screwed my system! I hate Apple (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5895868)

Ok, not really, but I figured I'd get it out of the way now because somebody is going to say it...happens every time with every point release.

Anyway, 10.2.6 update went fine on my Ti Ghz. All systems go and everything normal. Of course, everything was fine before the update too. I notice no difference in casual use.

Mac Zealot Translator (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5896187)

Mac Zealot Translator-o-matic

Apple have come up with some innovative products, but their market share remains tiny. Sadly, though, many buyers have been mislead by the marketing and eye-candy, and desperately try to justify their overpriced purchases to themselves on forums around the Net. Let's see what they really mean...

"MacOS X is everything Linux wants to be."
"Despite the fact that Linux is just code and can't WANT to be anything, I truly believe that it'd love to be a single-vendor, single-platform, sluggish half-proprietary OS with dwindling market share. Linux would love to throw away its impressively growing corporate takeup for that."

"Apple hardware is for real computer lovers."
"It's no hassle to use a plethora of keyboard combos to make up for the patronising one-button mouse. Despite the fact that my hands have FIVE fingers, and multiple-buttons make Web browsing so much more pleasant, I prefer my computer to be treat me like a special-needs child."

"Aqua makes me so much more productive!"
"My non-techie friends drool over the transparency and scaling effects, even though UI research has shown that they add practically nothing to getting real work done. It feels like KDE 2 on a Pentium 200, and I can't change to a light and fast WM, but those drop-shadows must make me work so quickly!"

"OSX shows that Apple is committed to open source."
"OpenDarwin.org and its community of about 27 is surely not just a token gesture by Apple. Pretty much nobody uses pure Darwin, and all the crucial components of the system are closed and require me to spend money just to get major OS updates, but they're really helping the community somehow."

"You get what you pay for with Apple hardware."
"My iBook was made by in Taiwan by AlphaTop and has design and build quality flaws (needing foam sheets jammed in to stop the common problem of the keyboard scratching the screen). But it's silvery and cost far more than an x86 laptop of better spec, so it must be much higher quality!"

"...blah blah MHz myth blah..."
"Although there's truth in PPC being more elegant than x86, it's crushing that the top-of-the-range 1.5 GHz chip is slaughtered by the equivalent 3 GHz Pentium 4. However, Steve Jobs showed some vague Photoshop filter benchmarks at the last MacWorld, so I'm convinced."

Slightly Off Topic... (3, Interesting)

macmurph (622189) | more than 11 years ago | (#5896360)

10.2.5 really fixed my v.92 powerbook modem 'modem on hold' feature.

In 10.2.3, when someone would call while Im online, I would get a message saying "an unknown caller is calling, answer, ignore". I would click answer, and I couldnt hear anyone half the time.

In 10.2.4, if someone called while I was online, I would get a kernel panic and lose all of my work... ouch.

In 10.2.5, when someone calls, I can actually click the answer button and talk to them every single time. Im really happy someone is working on this over at Apple.

Im downloading 10.2.6 right now. We'll see what changes that brings. I hope it allows you to resume your connection from the modem menuling. Im tired of digging around for the resume dialog behind all of my windows. I also would love if it put downloads on hold... when Im downloading something, it usually just kicks me offline when someone calls.

And no resumable downloads in Camino... whats up with that?

Re:Slightly Off Topic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5897290)

You want "Download Wizard", for resumable downloads.

Re:Slightly Off Topic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5904737)

Here's a link [apple.com] in case you need it

Panther 10.3 and 10.2.6 (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5896711)

My guess is that they are going to make these real some upgrades until panther.

That way they can be on 10.2.9 right before panther comes out, and it won't confuse the artsy people that use macs.

t610? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5896865)

so where can you buy a t610 here in the u.s.a?

My favorite update feature... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5898379)

"Improves compatibility for MacSoft Unreal Tournament 2003 on computers with GeForce 2MX and GeForce4MX graphic accelerator chipsets."

iPod and iTunes4 (1)

kustere (669742) | more than 11 years ago | (#5898692)

Has anyone had problems viewing your iPod in iTunes 4 after the update has run? I tried restoring the iPod to factory settings to see if that changed anything but I still do not see anything in iTunes 4 although I see it appear on the desktop and can use it as a firewire hard drive. I can also use third party iPod transfer programs.

Re:iPod and iTunes4 (2, Informative)

stego (146071) | more than 11 years ago | (#5900445)

I had this problem right after I installed iT4. I had to delete the installed iPod drived (? kext ??) and use the iT4 installer to re-install the driver. Easy enough once I figured it out, but it took a few hours to get there -- I'm not used to having to think about these things... The message boards in the Apple support section had a number of people experienceing thhis and were a pretty good help.

Slightly off topic, but it should be an update. (2, Interesting)

General Sherman (614373) | more than 11 years ago | (#5898905)

Okay, so disc burning from the finder is nice, right? It's easy to do, and it doesn't take over your computer while you do it, and it's just nice not to have to use another program. Same with iTunes, great to be able to burn in your playlist order and all that.

The only problem is that to do this, you need to have a supported drive. Huge bummer. They hardly ever add more compatible drives to the list.

My only question is, why don't they go the normal route and allow companies to make drivers for the finder/iTunes so they can use their drives? This would make it easier for Apple for one, and I'll bet a lot more drives would become supported. It just seems like they're doing this wayy too closed.

Just a rant from someone with an unsupported drive (gotta use Toast...)

Unsupported CD Burners (4, Informative)

Paladeen (8688) | more than 11 years ago | (#5899317)

Well, have you taken a look at xlr8yourmac.com [xlr8yourmac.com] ?

They happen to have a huge drive compatibility database which lists tons of drives people have managed to get to work with Finder disk burning and iTunes by modifying configuration files. I have an *officially unsupported* Samsung 32x CD-R/DVD which now works fine with both, thanks to some minor tweaking.

I prefer Toast for these functions, but I didn't like the *Unsupported* label I saw by my drive in the System Profiler.

Re:Slightly off topic, but it should be an update. (4, Informative)

Andre Breton (605694) | more than 11 years ago | (#5899437)

"The only problem is that to do this, you need to have a supported drive."

Take a look at /System/Library/Frameworks/DiscRecording.framework /Versions/A/Resources/DevicePlugIns/

I have an unsupported Samsung CD-RW. I just opened the SamsungCDR.device-plugin with an hex editor and changed the model description I found there to my model. Use the model description that Toast shows or use any UNIX tool you like.

Make a backup of the changed file, bcz with some system updates it got reset.

Re:Slightly off topic, but it should be an update. (1)

General Sherman (614373) | more than 11 years ago | (#5928678)

Well yes you can do this, but for the average user this is quite a lot to do just to add your CD drive, and it may not always work. It's another one of those things that Apple has made harder than it should be.

mac problem (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5900554)

I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac (a 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 300 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.

I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

Appears to re-introduce the DNS bug (3, Informative)

Alrescha (50745) | more than 11 years ago | (#5900885)

A previous Apple update fixed a DNS bug where large DNS reponses (typically from Akamai-based sites) would get dropped. The most notable victim was Apple itself.

10.2.6 appears to re-introduce this bug, making Safari pretty much useless for me.

Did anyone else notice this un-fix?

A.

Re:Appears to re-introduce the DNS bug (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5901888)

Its not a DNS bug in the OS. Its a problem with the DNS Akamai is using. We say these problems week before last and they eventually went away.

Unsanity's SafariNoTimeout (3, Informative)

Xenex (97062) | more than 11 years ago | (#5902237)

SafariNoTimeout [unsanity.com] is a little utility that removes the 60 second connection timeout from Safari.

Without it on my dial-up connection, Safari is virtually useless while downloading and/or with a few tabs loading at once.

It should make Safari useful again for you. It sure did for me.

Re:Unsanity's SafariNoTimeout (2, Funny)

RestiffBard (110729) | more than 11 years ago | (#5905063)

hear hear. notimeout is to my mind essential for dialup folk. course, Cox should be out sometime today to turn on my cable connection and I'll be able to get on with life again.

Re:Unsanity's SafariNoTimeout (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5905696)

Umm, that looks pretty useful, but it had nothing to do with his problem. Are you just a fuckup or have you always been this stupid?

Feeding the trolls... (1)

Xenex (97062) | more than 11 years ago | (#5908416)

To quote Alrescha's parent post [slashdot.org] :
"A previous Apple update fixed a DNS bug where large DNS reponses (typically from Akamai-based sites) would get dropped. The most notable victim was Apple itself.

10.2.6 appears to re-introduce this bug, making Safari pretty much useless for me."
See the bold text? SafariNoTimeout fixes that.

Re:Appears to re-introduce the DNS bug (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5902308)

Wow, I thought I was the only one with these problems! Can you furnish ANY documentation on this problem at all?! I'd really like to know what's going on. When you're in an apple-only shop, this pretty much renders Macs useless.

Re:Appears to re-introduce the DNS bug (2, Interesting)

Alrescha (50745) | more than 11 years ago | (#5906252)

I generally don't reply to AC postings (as I don't usually see them), but between the mis-information and the request, an exception seems called for.

In spite of the AC claiming that this is not a OS bug, I beg to differ. In:

http://docs.info.apple.comarticle.html?artnum=1202 10

Apple says:

"Addresses an issue in which domain name lookups could fail if the DNS server responded with a very large reply packet."

Since Akamai's servers appear to work fine for just about everyone else, and Apple did choose to issue a fix, the implication is that they had a bug. I haven't read anything that points to Akamai - and I did a *lot* of googling trying to sort this out.

Yes, it's possible that Akamai changed their servers at the same moment that I upgraded to 10.2.6, but I don't think that is as likely as Apple dropping a fix on the floor by accident.

What I do know is that last night I upgraded to .6, and today browsing is near impossible, just like it was before .5

A.

correct URL is... (2, Interesting)

bblackfrog (513266) | more than 11 years ago | (#5910078)

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=254 05 [apple.com]

I agree with Alrescha: it looks like this 10.2.5 bug fix was somehow dropped on the floor with 10.2.6.

To see this ugly bug again is very frustrating. I've been wrestling with this problem since the 10.2 release, when it was apparently introduced with Rendezvous. Rendezvous uses multi-cast DNS, and required significant changes to the DNS code.

btw, why does the Slashdot server insist on inserting a space between the "254" and the "05" in the first line of my submission...???

Bluetooth Modem improvements (2, Informative)

gsfprez (27403) | more than 11 years ago | (#5904601)

in 10.2.4, i could connect to the internet via GPRS on my TMobile t68i without incident.

for the last 3 weeks with 10.2.5, i couldn't connect often evne after 3-5 attempts. When i did connect, it would often not hold for more than a minute. I'm way behind on my data allowence for the month on my account. :-)

10.2.6, i'm back to 10.2.4 days.. i can keep the connection up as long as I like... and should pummel my 10 megs in a day or two now.

i'm using my AlBook 12" on my work desk with my t68i on my desk in the desk stand charger in the exact same position for all 3 software revs. I'm sure its the software, and not the phone or computer.

Dear Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5905375)

Dear Apple,

I am a homosexual. I bought an Apple computer because of its well earned reputation for being "the" gay computer. Since I have become an Apple owner, I have been exposed to a whole new world of gay friends. It is really a pleasure to meet and compute with other homos such as myself. I plan on using my new Apple computer as a way to entice and recruit young schoolboys into the homosexual lifestyle; it would be so helpful if you could produce more software which would appeal to young boys. Thanks in advance.

with much gayness,

Father Randy "Pudge" O'Day, S.J.

Re:Dear Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5906094)

Come on, pudge obviously likes little girls too. I mean his favorite game is Mary-Kate and Ashley Girls Night Out [slashdot.org]

Dear Randy O'Day (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5905483)

Dear Father O'Day:

Thanks for your letter. Being Catholic myself, I know exactly what you're talking about! It has always been our plan here at Apple Computer Inc to revolutionize personal computing with our high-quality and highly gay products.

I'm happy to answer your letter by letting you know that YES we will be releasing an entire hLife ("homo-life") software line. You'll be able to recognize it in stores by the small stylized logo depicting a large cock entering a tight anus with an Apple logo on it. ("Suddenly it all comes together" indeed!).

Anyway, I hope you and other members of our community will join us on our mission, and purchase the exciting new hLife boxed set. Only the boxed set comes with translucent cock rings!

Sincerely,

Harry Rodman
Vice-president
Homosexual Liaison Services
Apple Computer, Inc.

ibook slow burner issue (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5906428)

I wonder if it fixes the ibook slow burning issue...

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/ibook_slow_co mb o_drive.html

http://forums.macnn.com/search.php?s=a8d165af82f 13 7b4966564255d42a84e&action=showresults&searchid=24 3238&sortby=&sortorder=

there is some scary speculation that it's an issue with the IDE bus itself and that no patch will ever be able to fix it. I don't remember seeing this come up on /. yet - anyone ehere had this problem??

finder uses 50% cpu!!!!!!! (1)

nick_the_mac_user (673815) | more than 11 years ago | (#5973451)

after i got the 10.2.6 update on my ibook it ran fine, until i let os 9 check the disk, now findre in X uses 50 percdent cpu. I ran hardwrae tests - ok, fsck - ok, still, then i reinstalled 10.2.1 system folder, still does it, update again to 10.2.6 stull doing it. Called apple, costs $50 to talk to someone. Anyone run intoi this? I moight just back up data and erase and reinstall.Thanx for any help
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