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TiVo Basic

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the overdue dept.

Television 288

Keith Russell writes "TiVo has announced a new TiVo Basic service. ( Press release here, CNet story here) The Basic service only offers a 3-day program grid, and doesn't include title searches, season passes, or wish lists. There's no subscription fees for Basic, however, and it can be upgraded to a full-on Series 2 unit by the usual payment options ($12.95/mo. or $299 lifetime). The first product to include it is a Toshiba DVD player with an 80 GB hard drive and progressive-scan output of both DVD and Tivo content."

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Why software should not be free (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5915793)

The existence of software inevitably raises the question of how decisions about its use should be made. For example, suppose one individual who has a copy of a program meets another who would like a copy. It is possible for them to copy the program; who should decide whether this is done? The individuals involved? Or another party, called the "owner"?

Software developers typically consider these questions on the assumption that the criterion for the answer is to maximize developers' profits. The political power of business has led to the government adoption of both this criterion and the answer proposed by the developers: that the program has an owner, typically a corporation associated with its development.

My conclusion is that programmers do not have the duty to encourage others to share, redistribute, study and improve the software we write: in other words, to write "closed source" software.

--Metrollica

Troll 104 of 210 from the annals of the Troll Library [slashdot.org] .

Re:Why software should not be free (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5916133)

Metrollica! Your scrotum hums the promise of power! Keep trollin' baby!

-The Trolls

If it weren't for Tivo, (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5915798)

Then I wouldn't be able to get my 4th posts.

How much longer until we have to pay... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5915801)

just to load this site?

Seriously, first we have to pay not to see ads, now we have to pay to see duplicate stories in a timely fasion.

Marketing mantra (5, Insightful)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915803)

...first one's free.

Re:Marketing mantra (0, Offtopic)

b0r1s (170449) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915929)

Slashdot .... Ads for nerds, stuff that doesn't matter.

Re:Marketing mantra (1)

Brandon Sharitt (667596) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916171)

How is this basic service much different from a PVR that you can build yourself?

But can it play MP3s (1, Interesting)

frenchgates (531731) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915806)

from your wireless network? If so, I'll take it.

Re:But can it play MP3s (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5915910)

Yes, it can play mp3s off your PC, with the Home Media Option.

Re:But can it play MP3s (1, Funny)

Malc (1751) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915915)

Well, I would only take it if it can get up and tap dance to Moulin Rouge or Chicago. Running to the kitchen and fetching pop corn would just be a bonus.

Re:But can it play MP3s (1)

Squareball (523165) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915973)

How often do you sit in front of the TV and listen to MP3s?

Re:But can it play MP3s (1)

justMichael (606509) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916042)

I am only making an assumption here, but most people with an entertainment system keep it all in one spot (around the TV), so if the Tivo-Basic will stream tunes from down the hall so much the better.

Re:But can it play MP3s (1)

caduguid (152224) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916048)

How often do you sit in front of the TV and listen to MP3s?

Never, so far... Hence, the question. :-)

The Toshiba Box: RD-X2 (5, Informative)

MBCook (132727) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915808)

Near as I can tell, here [toshiba.com] is the Toshiba box that the story talks about. The URL is also below:

http://www.toshiba.com/tacp/dvd/current/RDX2.htm l

Re:The Toshiba Box: RD-X2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5915865)

I just creamed my pants!

-ac

Re:The Toshiba Box: RD-X2 (1)

styxlord (9897) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915870)

only $1499.99 ... I better get two

Re:The Toshiba Box: RD-X2 (1)

billstr78 (535271) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915920)

Damn. You could get a compatable PC for 2/3 the price. The Tosh Box won't play Doom either.

Re:The Toshiba Box: RD-X2 (4, Interesting)

billstr78 (535271) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915903)

The Motion Picture Assocation will love this little feature:


DVD-RAM/DVD-R Recorder allows users to record and playback their favorite videos in stunning MPEG-2 digital video resolution on removable media



From HDD to DVD-R Yeah! This has been when TiVo hackers have been trying to get accomplished for years.

Re:The Toshiba Box: RD-X2 (4, Insightful)

mgs1000 (583340) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916104)

Actually, with TyTool and now the very niceTyStudio, resourceful TiVo hackers have been extracting video and burning it on a DVDs for a while now. (DirecTivo users can even get DD 5.1 sound)

Re:The Toshiba Box: RD-X2 (3, Insightful)

evilviper (135110) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916191)

Almost... I also want to be able to edit out the commercials before I burn it.

Add that one more feature, and I'll buy.

Re:The Toshiba Box: RD-X2 (4, Informative)

Babbster (107076) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915909)

While revisions to that unit might indeed have the Tivo Basic functionality (according to your own link, it's not in the current list of features), it is NOT the device referenced in the press release or CNet article.

The model number of the device in the story's links is the SD-H400 which is a DVD player (not a recorder) combined with the 80GB hard drive and Tivo service (basic included, upgrade to full Tivo possible via extra money). This device is not currently listed in the Toshiba lineup (possibly because it hasn't been released yet?)

Personally, I consider $748 (the suggested price of the Toshiba device plus $299 for service upgrade) WAY too much money to spend on a progressive scan DVD player and a Tivo, one box or not.

will have to be carful (4, Insightful)

pres (34668) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915810)


Tivo will have to be careful that this doesn't hurt them. By removing a lot of the power of Tivo people might try it out, hate it, and leave.
They will have to make it clear what the added features will give you. (Perhaps a 30 day free trial of the upgraded service?) I know that once I saw the good stuff I would not willingly switch back.

Re:will have to be carful (4, Insightful)

ryanvm (247662) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915883)

Good point. I think they should make an extra effort to make sure that people understand the usefullness of "season passes".

Perhaps Tivo Basic should allow up to 3 season passes. Otherwise many people are likely to just think, "whoopee - it's a two-week version of TV Guide."

Re:will have to be carful (5, Funny)

Blahbbs (587167) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916188)

I've found that Season Passes aren't very helpful *IF THE NETWORKS KEEP CANCELLING THE SHOWS YOU LIKE*

Looking at my list of season passes reads like a TV obituary... Firefly, Andy Richter Controls the Universe, The Tick, The Job.... sigh.

Re:will have to be carful (1)

ePhil_One (634771) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915890)

A 3 day grid is plenty for most folks, Its really the Season passes that folks will miss most, and its easy enough to imagine that.

"Hmm, I don't have to make a point of selecting what shows I want each morning" is easy enough to imagine, though I bet if they allow timed, repeating recording that will satisfy lots of folks. My concern is that they're giving away too much, and folks won't imagine its worth $12.95/month. I know I'd be giving it a second thought; thanksfully my 2 DirecTiVo accounts only cost me $5/month.

Re:will have to be carful (1)

Babbster (107076) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915923)

To be even more blunt, if you can't record the same show at the same time over and over again (ignoring for the moment the anti-rerun and other capabilities of the Season Pass feature), it will be all but worthless. You might indeed just as well use a VCR and a TV guide on paper.

Re:will have to be carful (2, Informative)

Keith Russell (4440) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916183)

The press release mentions that recurring time-and-channel recording is available, just like your VCR.

Canada (5, Interesting)

mondoterrifico (317567) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915811)

I just want Tivo to be available in Canada damnit! Anyone know why the service hasn't been rolled out up here?

Re:Canada (3, Insightful)

John Paul Jones (151355) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915821)

Considering that TiVo hasn't advertised at all in three years, and seems to be living hand-to-mouth at the moment, the addition of another country might have to wait until there's a viable bottom line.

As a TiVo devotee for the past 1.5 years, though, I can only hope they make it... <crosses fingers>

Re:Canada (1)

thoth (7907) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915911)

I've owned one since fall 2001 and have seen TiVo ads since then, so that's within three years.

One was basically a family sitting down to eat dinner, all stuffing their mouths as fast as possible. They frantically call out how much time is left until their show starts. The adline is something about watching the show when you're ready.

Another was a woman glued to the set, when her boyfriend/husband comes in. He starts asking questions about the show, and she keeps waving at him to shut up - she doesn't want the interruption. The adline is something about being to watch the show while it is recording, so they can both see it.

Re:Canada (4, Informative)

ePhil_One (634771) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916182)

Considering that TiVo hasn't advertised at all in three years, and seems to be living hand-to-mouth at the moment, the addition of another country might have to wait until there's a viable bottom line.

Well, their stock is up, so the markets thinking positive things about them. And while they haven't paid for the standard 30 second spots, NBC has done several placements in their TV series (Friends, Scrubs, Will & Grace). Not sure if they're paying for it or NBC's throwing it in as part of their investment.

Besides, the word of mouth advertising they get is pretty strong, and is a damned site better than lame TV spots.

Funny thing is, Tivo is hugely popular with the whole entertainment industry, outside of everyones favorite mad dog, Jack Valenti.

Re:Canada (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915924)

You could always sign up for ExpressVu. Personally I don't like the idea of my PVR tied in to my service, but oh well.

Re:Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5915943)

Buy one down in the States. It uses the inet to sync up now, they wouldn't know the diff.

Re:Canada (1)

thegrommit (13025) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916045)

Unfortunately, the program guide wouldn't include the Canadian stations.

Re:Canada (1)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916012)

I want one too.

Must. Have. Season. Pass. :)

Can you spell CRTC ;-) (1)

dorfsmay (566262) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916024)

Tivo in Canada ? You're kidding ?

Who knows, we could filter out, and stop watching our 25% (or whatever it is) of canadian content !!!

Re:Can you spell CRTC ;-) (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916047)

Yes.

Commission for Restrictions and Thought Control.

Personally, I would just like the choice to pick the channels that I want like on digital. No bundles. No being forced to receive channels I never watch. I would start by ditching all the channels that broadcast NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox, UPN, CNN and WB. I would never again run the risk of accidentally stumbling on the crap that spews from those channels during prime time (and much of the rest of the time too).

Re:Can you spell CRTC ;-) (2, Interesting)

dorfsmay (566262) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916148)

Too funny.

I used to live in an appartment, and on a regular basis I would get one of those cable company sales person knocking on my door asking if I wanted cable. Invariably I would say: "yes, how much would it cost me to CBC + the learning channel + TV5 + discovery +...", and invariably they would x$ per month with package Z.

At this point I answer that I don't want any package, because I don't want any of my money to go to talk shows, reality shows, etc... The answer would always be, sorry we can't do that, until one day some sales guy told me they couldn't because of the CRTC.

I didn't believe him, so I checked into it, and it is true !! I pay taxes in order to pay people who decide what I am allowed to watch !!

At least when my parents were deciding what I could watch or not, I didn't have to pay them !!

Re:Canada (1, Interesting)

heli0 (659560) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916106)

"Anyone know why the service hasn't been rolled out up here?"

Here is a good article: CanCon_rules [media-awareness.ca]

Apparently there is a set of quotas (~20%) for the amount of "Canadian made" channels that must be carried compared to "non-Canadian" channels.

Until this law is changed, Directv will never offer service to Canada.

That being said... the number of Canadians reported to be using black market equipment to receive Directv is around 400,000.

Re:Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5916200)

but oh yes you can have a tivo in canada! Much like the matrix mod chip for the xbox they have a mod chip called 'turbonet', which you place on your tivo motherboard with no soldering.

it allows you to get free program updates over the web, (no more subscription fees, .. forget about life time subscriptions! haha)

It retails for about 70 bucks plus tax on the web. 9th tee offers them for sale... search for turbonet on google.

You'll also love the ability to control teh tivo from your computer or internet. With special software you can also extract your tv shows and encode them to divx!

I believe the tivo option with the turbonet card to be superior as a standalone unit in comparision with a windvd or myth setup on linux.

tivo's retail for about $130 on ebay.

Something ELSE to consider on the issue: (-1, Offtopic)

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Itsn't it a moot point? (4, Interesting)

L0stb0Y (108220) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915817)

Considering that it is in the works to get Tivo declared illegal (you know, fast-forwarding those ads is STEALING!)~

Funny, I don't remember anyone buying my time from me... ...speaking of buying time, really what do you think the shelf-life of Tivo is at this point? By the time the cable companies/dish folks get into the game, along with the pending legalities, will Tivo even survive? I hope so.

Re:Itsn't it a moot point? (3, Informative)

localghost (659616) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915905)

I recently switched to Dish Network from digital cable. Aside from the much better picture quality and customer service, one big advantage is that there's a PVR built into some of the boxes. Previously, I had a Tivo with a lifetime subscription. That's now on the second TV with the first one having the built-in one. I could easily see this becoming standard in both cable and satellite boxes. If the cable companies and satellite companies are supporting it, I don't see it being made illegal any time soon. However, I do foresee the end for Tivo, with PVR functionality becoming standard in set-top boxes.

Re:Itsn't it a moot point? (2, Informative)

ePhil_One (634771) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915947)

By the time the cable companies/dish folks get into the game, along with the pending legalities, will Tivo even survive?

Licensing

DirecTV licenses Tivo to power their DirecTV boxes, together they make a killer app limited mostly by the need for Dishes. DirecTV is all Digital, which plays VERY well with Tivo.

I suspect its only a matter of time before the cable companies give up on their central office based PVR systems. I tried one last weekend on Comcast, it was awful compared to the reponsiveness and control that Tivo gives. Forced comercials, limited content.

I also suspect the manufacturing cost of Tivo's will continue to drop, Hard drives keep getting cheaper (CompUSA is selling 80GB for $100), the various boards and chips can't cost all that much. They might have sold for a loss once upon a time, but I doubt thats still the case. There's a cost associated with providing this basic service, but they sell the viewing data they collect, which might more than pay for the limited service. (Heck, this might be a trick to get consumers to let their Tivo's stay more in touch, I ususally only let mine call home once every two weeks)

This is nothing "in the works"... (1)

Viewsonic (584922) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915983)

...to make Tivo illegal...

tivo BASIC (4, Funny)

mrseigen (518390) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915818)

And here I was thinking that somebody had written a BASIC interpreter/writer for the TiVo. That would have been really cool. Oh well... I'll be happy when Canadian service starts with tivo.

shhhh.... (1)

allism (457899) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916039)

don't give anyone any ideas...

(i work as a software tester on compiled BASIC medical apps. they keep trying to make it do more and more fancy stuff, all I need now is for someone to suggest slapping a TiVo into the pulmonary function testing software so that the subjects don't get bored during long serial testing days and I might just go postal...)

Re:tivo BASIC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5916099)

I thought the same thing, and then I thought that Tivo perl would be much cooler.

use Tivo;

my $t = tivo->new;
$t->create_season_pass("Futurama");

for (keys(%{$t->now_playing})) {
if ($t->now_playing{$_}{name} eq "Cowboy Bebop") {
$t->record_to_vcr($t->now_playing{$_});
}
}

Sounds reasonable (4, Interesting)

unfortunateson (527551) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915819)

If I didn't already have my lifetime subscription -- and frankly, I'm watching too much TV with my existing 30-hour series 1 box -- I'd probably be happy with the 3-day limits.

It's certainly a lot less data. The only real loss is the ability to look ahead two weeks to see what episodes are running and picking up specific ones. I'd assume that all the subscriptions still work.

Vacation time could be a pain, because I wouldn't be able to prioritize over the full time I'm gone.

The primary things I use the two-week lookahead are for things such as 24, Monk and Dead Zone that run new(ish) eps on multiple networks: I don't subscribe 24 on both Fox and FX, so if I miss an ep on Fox, I scan for it on FX.

Hopefully, this will bring in more sales for TiVo.

Re:Sounds reasonable (1)

wurp (51446) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916105)

You seem to have missed that the free service also doesn't include season passes, the thing that makes Tivo so yummy.

What?? (5, Funny)

DogIsMyCoprocessor (642655) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915823)

12 posts and no

  1. Give away free subscription
  2. ????
  3. Profit!!

joke yet? This place is going to the dogs ...

Lucky for you, DOG is your CO PROCESSOR!! (0)

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Wonderful! (3, Interesting)

Robert Hayden (58313) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915824)

As a DirecTiVo owner I love this.

It's an excellent way for TiVo to addict the masses to the glory that is the full TiVo. They probably should give people the ability to have maybe 2 or 3 season passes, but still, the concept is great.

I want a Tivo (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5915832)

But I refuse to get one.. I refuse to pay $12.95 a month for the schedule.. Tivo hasn't figured out yet that they need to charge LESS per month for the schedlues, not MORE...

Re:I want a Tivo (4, Interesting)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915881)

I would get a TiVo but there's bugger-all on TV these days worth watching. What there is is easily programmed into a VCR.

The sooner the medium dies the better. It's crap. It's total and utter bullshit, designed to provide the minimum that'll leave us staring at the box so they can spring adverts on us.

I am not a robot. I have no desire to be programmed. The TV execs are welcome to provide me with an ad-free subscription or otherwise viewer-supported service (and no, $80/mo for HBO - which is what it is here after you pay for cable etc, isn't worth the money) providing a full range of quality programs, but until then they can go screw themselves. And TiVo, bless it, is little more than sand on the vomit that is modern TV. It may help remove the ads, but it doesn't make the programs any better.

Good god, sorry, did I post that? Sorry, I'm tired and cranky right now. That's what Javascript, shell scripts, and SQL do to you.

Thank goodness for DVD, and the evil minions of the RIAA, the latter of whom provide me with songs and symphonies and operas and ballets and all sorts of other forms of intelligent entertainment I'd not have a hope in hell of getting otherwise. Between Amazon and the new Apple iTunes store, and, for its faults, Fox on Sundays at about 8pm, I can do without having that box on 24/7, sucking the will to think from me.

Re:I want a Tivo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5915897)

mod parent up.

Re:I want a Tivo (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5915954)

I can do without having that box on 24/7, sucking the will to think from me.

Get a Tivo, record what you want, watch it when you want, and oh by the way, STFU.

Re:I want a Tivo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5915977)

Hahah, you're a loser.

Re:I want a Tivo (1)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916087)

What there is is easily programmed into a VCR.

Sure, but then you have to find out when a show you like are on, find a blank tape or one with something you don't mind taping over, program the VCR, and (in my case, at least) make sure the cable box is set to the right channel before leaving for work/going to sleep for the night/whatever.

On a TiVo: Browse through the menu to find one occurrence of the show you like, and about four clicks later the TiVo will be set to record every occurrence of that show that it finds in the downloaded listings, and it'll change the channel on the cable box by itself-- and no futzing with tapes or coming home to discover that I forgot to switch the cable box to the correct channel and the VCR recorded an hour of some crap I don't want.

And there's plenty good on TV if you know where to look. Older classic stuff on SciFi, interesting documentaries on Discovery, TLC, and History, and daily doses of The Simpsons on FOX,and Family Guy and Futurama on Cartoon Network.

A good idea (4, Interesting)

emkman (467368) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915835)

The subscription requirement has always turned me off from getting Tivo. Why would I pay for a program guide and title searching when i have this inlcuded in my satellite/digicable service already. Basic sounds like a good idea for people who just want the hardware.

Re:A good idea (2, Informative)

thoth (7907) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915949)

There is no subscription requirement. You can program the TiVo like a VCR (i.e. you specify what channel, what time, what duration to record for). You don't need the guide data or any of that stuff for it to work.

I'm currently not subscribing to the TiVo service, as explained in a previous [slashdot.org] TiVo posting ;)

Re:A good idea (1)

Keith Russell (4440) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916159)

Why would I pay for a program guide and title searching when i have this inlcuded in my satellite/digicable service already?

Well, DirecTV's DVR service is from Tivo, and the service only costs $4.99/month, instead of the usual $12.95. It uses the built-in DirecTV program data, so that $5 pretty much subsidizes Tivo directly.

Could someone please... (1)

coupland (160334) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915839)

I know what Tivo is and how it works but can someone please post a price structure? I've never subscribed and would like to understand what I get for what I pay.

Re:Could someone please... (4, Informative)

thoth (7907) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915884)

Basically, the TiVo service comes in two forms:

1) Monthly payment of $12.95, or
2) Lifetime fee of $249.00.

Note: the lifetime fee applies to the unit, not the owner.

Subscribing to TiVo service lets you get the guide data, which is programming info up to two weeks out. This is what lets you do wishlists, season passes, etc.

New with series 2 is the "home media option", which is a upgrade available for $99.00

Re:Could someone please... (1)

thoth (7907) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916027)

I forgot to describe what the above options get you.

The monthly subscription and/or lifetime fee gets you the guide data. This is what lets you pull up info on a show, set a wishlist (record shows that star a particular actor, or record a show if it happens to come on), set season passes (record first run episodes, or include repeats).

Home media option lets you play music, videos, transfer shows from one TiVo to another.

Re:Could someone please... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5916083)

They bumped the lifetime to $299 now.

I'm scared now (4, Interesting)

ONU CS Geek (323473) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915846)

I've got three TiVo's myself, and I have just convinced my mother to go get one. To be quite honest, this scares me, because it could be a sign to things to come. But, with today's economy, people would rather be cheap than functional, so I'm guessing that they're going to come out with this, then try to keep afloat. Sure, Oprah et al. have given TiVo good coverage, however, I really don't want to admit that this may mean that my favorite home appliance could be going to the dust.

I just hope there's enough of the hacking community out there to support my addiction should TiVo ever fall in the dumps.

Re:I'm scared now (1)

papasui (567265) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916164)

3 Tivos!>?! I can't even come close to watch what my Time Warner PVR records daily. Do you work? Seriously.

Re:I'm scared now (1)

ONU CS Geek (323473) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916190)

Seriously?

I couldn't find a job in the IT market (but there's not much in NW Ohio, anyway), so I'm selling cars and keeping the computers running at a Car Dealership. I make the same amount of money, and I don't have to shell out the bucks of buying a new car every so often...they give me one to take off the lot.

Can I get it with my Series One Box? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5915848)

I think I would prefer to have this over a $12.95/month payment on my Series 1 box (though when it was only $9.95, that was okay). ...Think they'll offer it (somehow I doubt it)?

tivo modems (1, Funny)

flacco (324089) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915853)

i got one of the early tivo's cheap off ebay, but the piece of crap modem died on me. the tivo service just didn't offer enough for me to deal with replacing the modem, so it's been just a pvr for me since then.

which is fine, but the goddamn internal clock keeps drifting.

i wonder how many subscriptions they've lost due to dead modems?

Re:tivo modems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5915885)

Why not hook up ethernet it's cheap enough and easy to do?

finaly... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5915861)

all i got's to say is:

FINAL-FUCKIN' LEEEE

Strictly a bundled concept (4, Interesting)

fm6 (162816) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915864)

It's always been my understanding that Tivo can't make money on the bare hardware, and has to sell subscriptions. Unless I'm wrong about that, they'll never sell this subscription-free Tivo, except as part of a bundle.

I find it a little weird that the first such bundle is a DVD/Tivo box. Presumably it won't include the ability to make disk copies of DVDs! Without this feature, what the point of buying these two devices together?

The subscription is both the greatest feature and the worst shortcoming of the Tivo. The ability to easily specify what you want to watch, and even have the Tivo find similar shows for you, is beautiful beyond words. On the other hand, there's something to be said for the simplicity of the VCR.

The problem is that so many shows start early and/or end late. Often by just a few seconds, but enough to be irritating. Tivo lets you tweak this, but only at the risk of causing overlap. And when it detects overlap, the Tivo just refuses to record one show or the other -- even if both shows are on the same channel! It ought to be possible for the Tivo to act more like a VCR in this respect, but so far it hasn't happened.

Cable company competition (1)

astrashe (7452) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915867)

My cable company is advertising PVRs that they say start at $4.95/month, including the hardware. They're looking for pre-registration, and I'm not sure what you get, or if the price will hold once the service goes beyond the vapor stage.

Re:Cable company competition (3, Interesting)

druzicka (314802) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915928)

I subscribe to Time Warner digital cable... Looks like their PVR will do season passes, along with the regular PVR stuff (pause live TV, record on a schedule).

More info here [timewarnerwi.com] .

And if it's only $5 per month and I don't have to buy any hardware up front, how is Tivo going to stay in business?

good news (1)

glen (19095) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915877)

This is what they're doing to get all the people that have been complaining about being forced to pay a monthly fee for what amounts to TV listings. This is all I would need, I'm sure the other features are cool but I don't care. I watch very little TV, less than 10 hours per month, mostly F1 lately. I just want to pick out a few shows and tell it to record. The free service is all I need.

The only thing holding me back is the fact that they still don't offer service to Canadians.

Who needs Tivo in Canada? (-1, Troll)

dachang (258727) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915880)

I am recording programs on slices of good Canadian bacon.

This is to compete with self made PVRs? (4, Insightful)

mao che minh (611166) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915896)

Is this a subtle move to compete with self made PVRs? Let me spin a theory: In addition to exposing potential customers to the benefit of a TiVo, TiVo will also offer "techies" TiVo features embedded in other devices (or a soon to be released cheap and limited TiVo's) in order to dissude them from avoiding the TiVo exposure all together by building their own PVRs.

In any case, this is a good idea, and great for the consumer. I already anticipate answering my fiance's mother's 5,000 questions about TiVo once she buys a DVD player with limited TiVo features in it. I also begrudingly look forward to configuring it for her - every other day - for a year.

No need to pay anything.... (1)

blixel (158224) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915922)

My cable company here in Central Florida will be offering free Tivo-like service for digital cable subscribers starting in June. I've wanted Tivo since I first heard about it in 1999 but wasn't willing to shell out money for the box AND pay a monthly fee on top of that.

One or the other, but not both. I'll buy the box if the service is free, or I'll pay a small monthly fee if the box is provided for me for free and is replaced for free in the event of failure or obsoletion. Given the rapid growth of technology, renting it from month to month is probably the better choice.

Re:No need to pay anything.... (2, Informative)

blixel (158224) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915937)

My cable company here in Central Florida will be offering free Tivo-like service for digital cable subscribers starting in June.

I guess I should have provided this link [mybrighthouse.com] to any other Central Floridians who might be interested in getting this service when it's available.

MythTV... (4, Informative)

Yebyen (59663) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915925)

Someone really needs to start building Mini-ITX machines with Debian and MythTV preloaded en masse. I've been using my desktop as a MythTV machine since the early days, and it's just about surpassed Tivo anyway. Not to mention, no subscription fee.

A stripped down Tivo without season passes removes almost all of the usefulness of the device. MythTV has the same functionality, but it doesn't cost you anything but the hardware. I can't speak for the quality of the software versus Tivo, as I've never used a tivo, but I do find myself spouting the same "Changed the way I think about TV" rhetoric as every tivo user.

Either way, one thing I know MythTV has which Tivo does not have is automatic commercial detection. That's right. Download 0.8, play with it.

Re:MythTV... (1)

n3bulous (72591) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915956)

badda bing

myth tv [mythtv.org]

Re:MythTV... (4, Interesting)

bmetzler (12546) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915963)

A stripped down Tivo without season passes removes almost all of the usefulness of the device. MythTV has the same functionality, but it doesn't cost you anything but the hardware.

Wait a minute! Doesn't a stripped-down Tivo only cost the cost of the hardware too? Because if I read the article correctly, the basic service is free. And MythTV has the same function then, as you mentioned.

So, MythTV = cost of hardware. Tivo = Cost of hardware. But Tivo means I go to Best Buy, use my Best Buy card and plug it in. MythTV means that I piece together a PC, install MythTV, get it working and then plug it in. So I'm still way ahead with Tivo.

-Brent

Re:MythTV... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5916073)

You can't use a series 2 tivo w/o activating it. And this particular toshiba unit is 1500 bucks.

only one thing to say (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5915975)


poooooooooop!

I have four words for TiVo (0, Redundant)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 11 years ago | (#5915988)

Bring. It. To. Canada.

O Canada... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5916066)

O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.

With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

I have four words for you (2, Funny)

HeghmoH (13204) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916095)

Move. To. The. US.

(Joke!)

Forget everything you know about TiVo (4, Informative)

mblase (200735) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916001)

This isn't a "TiVo box" as we usually know it, without all the subscription features. What it is, is a DVD-VCR. Without any subscription fees (a cause for hesitation among average consumers), it allows you to record shows and movies to the hard disk, then burn them at your leisure to a recordable DVD. Voila, all the functionality of a VCR with the advantages of digital media and commercial-free archiving.

It seems to me that TiVo's strategy is to make this a must-have device for those features alone -- which are all Toshiba's hard work, not theirs -- while including the TiVo subscription features as a kind of upgrade, which no doubt is advertised prominently at the bottom of the 3-day guide every time you use it.

It's a good strategy, and I think it will pay off -- not in the sense of 90% of all purchasers becoming subscribers, but in the sense of maybe 20% of all people who wouldn't buy a TiVo because of the subscription now buy it for the DVD-recording features. Like another poster suggested, I'm sure TiVo will offer AOL-like 30-day trial subscriptions for free somewhere along the line, once enough of these TiVo-capable recorders are out there being used. Because like broadband internet, once you learn to love it, there's no going back.

Tivo sucks (-1, Flamebait)

falsification (644190) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916011)

I hate the Tivo. I've never used one or seen one, nor do I ever want to. Why the hell would I want to watch more television? Come on, people, go outside and enjoy the weather. I'm going for a jog tomorrow morning. I'll be thinking about how enjoyable my non-television watching experience is.

Re:Tivo sucks (3, Insightful)

EverDense (575518) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916069)

It isn't about watching more TV. Its about
watching the TV you WANT to watch.

Re:Tivo sucks (4, Insightful)

kongjie (639414) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916108)

It's not only a little silly to offer a comment on something you have no interest in, it's also a waste of space.

And in the end you're not against Tivo; you're against television. As the preceding reply to your comment noted, Tivo has the opportunity to free up more "fresh air" time if your program viewing doesn't broaden after getting it.

And unless you're typing your comments on a laptop with wireless access, maybe you should get outside more often.

Progressive out for cable? (2, Interesting)

athorshak (652273) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916068)

Interesting that the recorded video output is progressive, aside from the DVD output. Thats a great feature if the deinterlacing is done well. Deinterlacers in consumer RPTVs are notoriously AWFUL.

lifetime ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5916084)

$299 lifetime

Whose lifetime mine or their's. I don't imagine their's to be more than a couple of years ... pretty steep anual fee.

TiVo BASIC? (4, Funny)

passion (84900) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916109)

10 find pr0n;
20 display pr0n;
30 goto 10;

What I've been looking for? (2, Interesting)

aSiTiC (519647) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916124)

I've been looking for a good intro TiVo solution and I also need a DVD player for my Home Entertainment center. The only catch is that I'd like to be able to access the Hard Drive (in this case 80 GB) from my computer. That way I can manipulate video on my computer (burn, etc...) and I can use the 80 GB for a backup device.

Is this possible on this device? If not is there another device that is capable of doing this?

Tivocommunity.com (1)

ayeco (301053) | more than 11 years ago | (#5916127)

Why do I have to read this here and not via Tivocommunity.com? Oh, it's down, and has been for too long.

ReplayTV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5916137)

I've actually owned a TiVo Series 1 unit since 2000, and I've recently upgraded to TiVo Series 2 w/HMO. However, lately, I've been asking myself why didn't I consider getting Replay TV? Especially when it's so easy to do video extraction with http://sourceforge.net/dvarchive

I also got to wonder what TiVo offers that ReplayTV doesn't already offer. The feature list between the two seem quite similar now, except that ReplayTV seems to offer sharing between multiple ReplayTV units and your PC.

Re:ReplayTV (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5916161)

Weren't there websites which had compared TiVo and ReplayTV when they first came out? This was one of the first website [egotron.com] which did the comparison.

Here is a feature comparison [pvrcompare.com] matrix webpage.
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