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# Lowest Raw Score Ever on the SAT

#### michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the lowered-expectations dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Lowest Raw Score Ever on the SAT. Relax! You are practically guaranteed to have done better on the SAT than this guy! But the competition for most extreme negative raw score is just beginning..."

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### Top 2% (5, Interesting)

#### Taral (16888) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924750)

Is 1250 really a top 2%? There's something really disturbing about that...

(That's only about 2.5\sigma from the mean...)

### Re:Top 2% (5, Informative)

#### KiahZero (610862) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924775)

My understanding is that the mean is roughly 950 or so, which means that a lot of people are very tightly packed between there and 1250.

### Re:Top 2% (-1, Redundant)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924781)

So my score of 1200 isn't so bad after all. I guess I'm not such a dimwit.

### Re:Top 2% (5, Informative)

#### ctr2sprt (574731) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924864)

1250 is no longer the top 2%, it's about the top 10%. At or slightly before the recentering in '95, it was probably the top 2% (because it was roughly equivalent to a present-day 1400).

That's my reasoning, anyway. I wonder if figuring all this stuff out is part of the test. (Is there a reason that what any sane person would call a "zero" is a 400 on the SATs?)

### Re:Top 2% (4, Interesting)

#### Motherfucking Shit (636021) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924867)

One potentially poignant note is the date restriction on that stat,
For example, an SAT combined score of 1250 (
1974-1994 SAT editions) correlates with a Stanford-Binet IQ of 132, the top 2% of humanity, and thus qualifies a person for Mensa.
I took an IQ test in '93 (though I don't know whether or not it was of the Stanford-Binet variety) and scored 140. I took the SAT in '96 and scored 1360. Wonder what a 1360 at that point in time boils down to, percentile-of-humanity wise...

Though I'll agree with you about the disturbing factor - I consider myself to be intelligent, but if I'm in the top 2% of all humanity, then God help us!

### Bush (1, Funny)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924754)

This is nothing, compare this with G Bush's!

### Re:Bush (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924759)

I don't get it. Could someone please explain this to me?

### Re:Bush (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924856)

Some people say Shrub scored higher on SAT's than Gore. It isn't the truth however...

### Re:Bush (5, Interesting)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924798)

George W. Bush got a verbal score of 566 and a math score of 640, for a combined score of 1206. According to this site [members.shaw.ca] , this means he has an IQ of approximately 129. This places him in the 97th percentile [members.shaw.ca] , assuming a normal gaussian distribution with mean 100 standard deviation of 15, or the 96th percentile, assuming a standard deviation of 16.

### Re:Bush (2, Insightful)

#### GreggyBUIUC (262370) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924838)

Personally, for my choice as president, I'll rather have a man with an IQ of 129 that has excellent intrapersonal/leadership skills and the abillity (and humillity) to suround himself with advisors smarter than him over an egotistical "I'll do it all myself" type with an IQ of 180.

Like AlGore?

### kennedy had a 119 IQ (0, Flamebait)

#### autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924899)

But bush is a complete moron. Certanly lacking in the humility catagory if not the 'leadership/interpersonal' skills catagory.

### Re:Bush (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924905)

Yeah, right, about as much intrapersonal/leadership skill as Ross Perot. Lucky for him (unlucky for the rest of us), daddy was able to get him where he is today.

And humility?
Ha!
Thanks for the laugh.

### Re:Bush (-1, Flamebait)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924946)

Bush has an IQ in the low 60's if that (129!!! hah hah), has no "intrapersonal?" (I mean he has relations with himslef?)/leadership skills. And almost anyone is brighter than the guy... so it is not so hard to be surrounded by brighter "luminaries" than himself... Oh, and the president is SUPPOSED TO MAKE DECISSIONS! That is why we pay his salary, to do his damn job....

What screwed times we live in when we have a president who has other people take care of business for him, and people actually find that laudable! Oh, the president knows that he is a moron, so he has other people do his job: What a great man! He knows his limitations!

Frankly I just want a decent human being in the oval office at this point in time... not the smartest, not the toughest, just a decent human being (which may be a little far fetched, since I am assuming a lot from a politician!) The current idiot has managed to screw up enough things in under 3 years as it is.... Oh, yeah I would also like a president who can ACTUALLY READ without maiming the English language everytime he opens his mount, and no.. it is not reasonable to improve your public reading skills while you are in office, we do not pay the president to learn how to enunciate! And no, it is not an achievement to be able to finish a whole sentence on one's own!

Just as Frank Zappa said:

"You celebrate mediocrity, you get mediocrity. People who could have achieved more won't, because they know that all they have to do is be "that" and they can make millions (of dollars) and have people love them because they're merely mediocre. And that is reinforced over and over and over."

"fuck that! when did mediocrity and banality become a good image for your children?"

### Re:Bush (1)

#### munter (619803) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924944)

hmm.

is it Bush's or Bushes?

somewhere in texas, a village is missing it's idiot.

### Hrm (3, Interesting)

#### autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924765)

Theoreticaly, answering all the questions wrong would be as difficult as answering all the questions correctly, wouldn't it? I suppose that for some questions, you might not know if maybe two or three of the questions is right, but that the others are wrong, but still...

### Re:Hrm (2, Insightful)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924779)

no, if random, you've 3/4 chance of getting it wrong, 1/4 of getting right.

### Re:Hrm (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924898)

The parent may think that there can be more than one correct answer per question, as in "The president is [_] from Texas, [_] dumb, [_] a man, [_] no good". Then it would make sense that the score is reduced for every wrong answer. So if there were 3 wrong answers and 1 right, you would "waste" score reduction opportunities by marking only one wrong answer.

### Yeah, but (1)

#### autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924920)

If you had a 3/4th chance of getting each question wrong, you'll have (3/4)^n chance of getting all the questions wrong. On the other hand, you'll have a (1/4) chance of getting each question right, and (1/4)^n chance of getting all of the questions right. Both of those aproach zero as N aproaches infinity.

Of course, these tests are not infinetly long, but with n=100, you have a 10^-13 chance of getting all questions wrong randomly, and a 10^-61 chance of getting everything right by randomly guessing. Both of those seem like pretty long odds to me...

### Re:Hrm (2, Interesting)

#### mjdth (670822) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924818)

actually... if there is a multiple choice question where 1/4 answers is correct... then it would be 3/4 questions are incorrect. making it 300% easier to go for every question wrong than to go for every question right.

### Re:Hrm (1)

#### bill_kress (99356) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924830)

Actually it's much easier. Even if you don't know the correct answer, chances are you can narrow it down to 2 or 3 possible positive, almost always leaving at least one choice that's obviously wrong.

I'm a little supprised the guy got two right...

### Re:Hrm (4, Insightful)

#### Galvatron (115029) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924846)

I suppose that for some questions, you might not know if maybe two or three of the questions is right, but that the others are wrong, but still...

For some? Eliminating wrong answers is a crucial part of the SAT strategy. On top of that, you can pick the answer you're MOST sure is wrong, as for many problems (esp. reading comprehension) you may decide that it's probably A, but there's an outside chance that they might want C. Besides, you can save a tremendous amount of time by only having to find the first wrong answer, rather than figuring out which is the right answer. Remember, part of the difficulty of the SAT is that it is a timed test (or so they say, I never had any problems with time). Finally, guessing a right answer is only 1/3-1/5 (depending on the type of problem), but guessing a wrong answer is fairly likely, so you're likely to get a perfect 0 even if you have to guess on 3 or 4 problems.

I didn't get a perfect raw SAT score (probably only a handful of people in the country do each year, a 1600 scaled actually allows one to get several problems wrong, generally around 3 or 4 verbal and 1 or 2 math), but I feel quite confident that I would be able to get a perfect 0.

### Re:Hrm (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924858)

...but I feel quite confident that I would be able to get a perfect 0

I think the lowest score you can get is 200. I've always heard "you get 200 points just for spelling your name right".

### Re:Hrm (1)

#### matusa (132837) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924937)

incorrect; there are more false options than true options, so when you mess up in the act of selecting the answer you believe to not be the correct one, you still have some slack. If you think about it statistically it works out easily as well: 4/5 for all those questions in a row is much easier than 1/5 for all of them (are there 4 or 5 options per question? can't remember..).

### Standardized tests (0, Insightful)

#### A Proud American (657806) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924768)

Give me a break, people -- standardized tests measure *something* well, but we're not sure what.

Any person or college who takes SAT scores seriously should definitely reconsider their ranking algorithms.

Repeat after me -- the SAT is a conspiracy.

### Re:Standardized tests (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924814)

Soliciting moderation from other discussion sites is rather low, don't you think?

### Re:Standardized tests (5, Insightful)

#### Trurl's Machine (651488) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924833)

Give me a break, people -- standardized tests measure *something* well, but we're not sure what.

Standardized tests measure very well the ability to solve standardized tests. The question is - can they measure anything else?

### Re:Standardized tests (1)

#### graveyhead (210996) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924866)

Standardized tests measure very well the ability to solve standardized tests.
Yes, this is how the board of education hires more test writers to write more standardized tests. Don't you know anything about beurocracy?

### Re:Standardized tests (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924949)

Don't you know anything about beurocracy?

I know how to spell it. :-)

### on the positive side... (4, Funny)

#### inkedmn (462994) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924770)

at least he's got a bright future in politics or with Microsoft's QA department

### Re:on the positive side... (1)

#### MoonFog (586818) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924794)

Actually, he claims to already have a masters degree:
On 2003 April 5th, a Saturday, at the age of 33, I threw away my dignity, mocked my Ivy League education, disgraced my Master's degree, and proved, in just over three hours, that humans can do things "The System" didn't anticipate. Things didn't turn out exactly as planned, but it was a crazy experience!

I'm not American, so I'm not to familiar with SAT tests but do you send in your SAT when applying for a job when you've already got a Masters ?

### Re:on the positive side... (1)

#### foog (6321) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924829)

I'm not American, so I'm not to familiar with SAT tests but do you send in your SAT when applying for a job when you've already got a Masters ?

no. not ever, to the best of my knowledge, though it's possible that a background check might include your high school transcript, SAT scores, etc.

### Re:on the positive side... (1)

#### MoonFog (586818) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924843)

no. not ever, to the best of my knowledge, though it's possible that a background check might include your high school transcript, SAT scores, etc.
Ok, I get it, but if someone where to run a background check on this guy, would this SAT come up ? If so, it seems kinda stupid to do something like this, even if it is just to have fun...

### Re:on the positive side... (1)

#### hazem (472289) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924924)

I don't think I'd ever want to be associated with an organization that would look at me, then say "well sure you have a masters degree, you only got a 200 on the SAT. I'm sorry, we can't hire you/give you a security clearance/let you ride in our airplane/marry our daughter."

Actually this might be a good sanity filter! Where do I sign up?

### Re:on the positive side... (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924860)

I remember some of the big management consulting companies asking for SAT scores on applications of new college grads.

### Re:The need for a well rounded education (0, Offtopic)

#### JebusIsLord (566856) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924795)

*clap clap clap*

impressive. very impressive. The "Peace be to god" bit was a bit over the top though, otherwise... nice troll!

### Re:The need for a well rounded education (1)

#### westyvw (653833) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924820)

dont make fun of this.

Its very important to me:

WWJD: is just too important to make fun.

WWJD:?
WHO would Jesus DO?

On topic, ok:
What test would Jesus take?
Doesnt Matter, hes been replaced with Col. Saunders, cause hes got popcorn chicken to throw into Gods mouth.

### Re:The need for a well rounded education (0, Offtopic)

#### KiahZero (610862) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924836)

This would be a good troll except that:
Not picture books either I assue you. It is a lot of work, but the upshot is improved grammer and spelling skills that are lacking in the technical.

This is combined with craptacular sentence structure and spelling. Content-wise, it was quite nice, though.

### Re:The need for a well rounded education (0, Troll)

#### intermodal (534361) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924891)

college into a trade school? last time I checked, there hasn't been a real college in the US since the mid forties. The GI bill ruined any chance we had at getting an honest-to-god "University" on our blessid soil.

### Re:The need for a well rounded education (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924950)

ha ha this guy is almost funnier than the aricle "improved grammer and spelling skills" when he misspells gammar and countless other words. ha ha. those crazy bible people.

### In the too much time on your hands department... (0, Redundant)

#### exley (221867) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924776)

And yes, the pun in the title of this messafe was intebded :)

### Best line (5, Funny)

#### GreggyBUIUC (262370) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924783)

As I can only assume that this page is going to be slashdotted in the next few minutes, I feel its important to share with everyone the best part of the page...

Premise -- dude tries really hard to do really bad on the exam, ends up by accident getting 2 questions right, and scores a 400 on the exam.

"This experiment grew on me as time passed by, and now I am thinking of other
funny angles, like asking Princeton Review or Kaplan if they would be interested
in being able to make the claim that a person who participated in their SAT
preparation course improved his test score by 1200 points!"
--------

### Re:Best line (4, Interesting)

#### BurritoWarrior (90481) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924851)

My guess is he got two "right" because those questions got thrown out and therefore everyone was marked correct on them.

### Re:Best line (0)

#### DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924865)

THANK you. I gave up halfway through that page. The guy is extremely longwinded...do I really care to see screenshots of him signing up for the test?

Plus, if his objective was to screw up the test, why did he bring a calculator?

### Re:Best line (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924878)

RTFA before asking stupid questions, he DID

### Re:Best line (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924888)

I asked, WHY not IF HE DID moron. I KNOW he brought a calculator because I READ THE ARTICLE.

Is it me, or are AC's not what they used to be?

### Re:Best line (1)

#### Uart (29577) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924901)

he would bring a calculator so that he could determine the correct answers and b sure not to choose them, silly. If you want a zero you gotta work for it, blindly guessing still gives you a 25% predicted success rate - thats for chumps, this guy was going for the gold!

### Re:Best line (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924914)

If you want to make sure that you avoid the correct answer, you have to know what it is, right?

### Lowest REAL SAT score? (4, Interesting)

#### LamerX (164968) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924787)

I would like to see what the real, honestly trying, low score is. I bet that nobody has all that low of a score...

### Re:Lowest REAL SAT score? (1)

#### inaeldi (623679) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924812)

I guess if the person can't speak English, then s/he would be hooped.

### Re:Lowest REAL SAT score? (1, Informative)

#### Scorpio1 (82882) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924813)

When I was in high school, this incredibly feeble-minded girl in my class got a combined scored of 600. I have yet to hear of someone whose combined score was lower than that and was honestly trying. I mean, one half of mine beat hers.

### I should have the lowest (0, Funny)

#### A Proud American (657806) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924816)

I pulled an all-nighter on a Thursday evening because I had two tests the next day to cram for.

Then, I had to take the SATs on Saturday morning at 8:00 am. Well, they'd have been fine, but I ended up partying at an older friend's house on Friday night, getting piss drunk, puking, and not getting to bed until 7:00am.

I got up in about a half-hour and my friend drove me to the school to take them.

Somehow (I'm convinced through an act of God Himself) I ended up with a 1510. I can't fucking believe that.

The scary thing is that I took it a couple months later and got an 1160. I'll never figure it out. I don't think the damn things measure anything.

### Re:Lowest REAL SAT score? (2, Funny)

#### DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924871)

Mmmm...ask football recruiters for big schools like Miami and Ohio. I bet they could tell you. I bet you would be horrified.

### So... (1)

#### WegianWarrior (649800) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924788)

...getting a low score on your SAT means you're stupid*, unless you want to score low, in which cause a low score is nerdy... it makes a weid kind of sense.

Disclaimer: We don't have SATs in Norway. However, we do run all our raw military recruits (and remeber we have a military system based on conscriptions) thru a simular sets of tests which includes mathskills, skills in norwegian, skills in english, logicskills and a light touch at the physical sciences. Never heard of anyone willingly aiming for a bad score, as that would land them in a shitty job...

*) Wether a person is 'stupid' or 'smart' has little to do with raw inteligense.

### Re:So... (1)

#### MoonFog (586818) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924804)

Those test doesn't mean much though. Unless you fail everything on the intelligence part and end up in "Storm"(Norwegian Storm unit, Mechanized Infantry)

### Re:So... (1)

#### DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924881)

I'm somewhat of a military buff myself. I met a Norwegian once, and I knew that they all serve in the military unless they're cowards. I asked him in a friendly, inquisitive manner, "So, what kind of infantry weapon does Norway use?" "A gun," he replied. Undeterred, I asked, "What kind of APC did you serve in?" He said, "A green one."

No wonder the USA gave up on the conscript army concept after the Vietnam experience.

### Re:So... (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924928)

Norwegians are trained not to reveal technical details about their nation's defense forces.

### Re:So... (1)

#### MoonFog (586818) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924942)

Not exactly.. We train with other NATO forces once every year, and it's not like they don't know what weapons we use.
Some things are kept more secret than other, but I would have no problem saying I used AG3 weapon and served in Recon if someone asked.
Heck, some Americans even got to testshoot our weapons, as we did theirs.

### Re:So... (1)

#### MyHair (589485) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924935)

Never heard of anyone willingly aiming for a bad score, as that would land them in a shitty job...

Could they willingly retake the test later? In this case the man is in his thirties and had already taken his GRE (after college graduation, where SATs are generally taken in high school). I don't think anybody even looks at SATs after you have a degree, especially a Masters, so it was no-risk folly for him while surrounded by people to whom it really mattered for college admission. You can retake the SAT as much as you want, though.

I didn't think I did all that great, but I overhead my classmates proud of scores 400 points lower than mine!!!

### more (3, Insightful)

#### ramzak2k (596734) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924790)

more people do this,the percentile score of the real test takers will increase.

### I 'll do better! (1)

#### Newer Guy (520108) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924792)

He got two right! Hell, That gives all a chance to do two worse then him! Let's git ceackin'!

### Makes me feel good. (1)

#### Raven42rac (448205) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924796)

Makes me feel good about my 1190, and not doing anything with my life up to this point.

### Re:Makes me feel good. (2, Interesting)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924848)

I also got 1190 on my SAT. I thought it was a pretty terrible score. Oddly enough, I scored better on verbal (640) than I did on math (550). Abnormal for a self-proclaimed geek, you would think. I didn't think I could even get into a state school with a score like that.

My friend goes to UC Santa Cruz and is always trying to convince me to quit my job and go to school. I'm reluctant, and a little discouraged. Do I even have a chance at getting accepted, considering my fairly crappy SAT score and mediocre grades in HS? I've been working full time in IT since I got out of HS (about 4 years). I like having a job more than I ever liked school, but after so long working at tedious jobs, and with the IT market looking so grim, I'm starting to consider it. Still, I read stories in the SF Chronicle about tougher entrance requirements, more competition, etc. Plus it's been so long since I was in a classroom, I don't know if I could ajust. Could I even get accepted? Any advice for a stagnating geek?

### Re:Makes me feel good. (1)

#### Raven42rac (448205) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924918)

Heh, I had about the same ratio of verbal to math, you are actually much better off with 4 years of experience. Just finish up a degree at night, do it in something unrelated to IT like basketweaving, criminal justice, firefighting, just in case you end up loathing IT. Hey, it could happen, just don't pigeonhole yourself into IT. I am, however, not a good fountain of advice, as I only *wish* I had a job in IT, but no one will hire me. Oh well. One Day.

### Re:Makes me feel good. (1)

#### hazem (472289) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924939)

Sign up for a class or two as a non-matriculating student. Doing well in those will count more than your SAT score.

Or take some classes at a community college (often, for lower division, the level of instruction is better - IMHO.. you have a "real" professor, rather than a student teacher), then transfer in. The standards and requirements are often different than for incoming freshmen.

Ultimately, though, go talk to the admission counselors at the school you want to attend. They'll be able to give you the most thorough answers.

Plus, by just taking a couple classes, you'll know pretty quickly if it's something you want to do - without investing much in tests and application fees.

### Re:Makes me feel good. (1)

#### HanzoSan (251665) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924947)

Go to school, this is the best time, the economy is shit, get your degree.

The SATs dont matter, spend a year at a community college, get all As, and transfer to a university.

Its that simple. You do not need to take the SATs after you prove yourself by getting enough college credits.

### 1250 is a 132 IQ? (4, Funny)

#### Kirby-meister (574952) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924799)

I must be very smarty with my 1350. A friggin jeenius. 100 points more than 1250, so 132 + 100 = 232 IQ. Very jeeniousy of me.

### Re:1250 is a 132 IQ? (1)

#### Tyreth (523822) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924832)

I imagine a good IQ test measures your ability to learn and apply common knowledge.

SAT's, are they something people study and prepare for? For me, an IQ measures a person's intelligence best when they don't prepare for it - and it tests generic things which are based as little as possible on culture (unless examining general knowledge).

### Re:1250 is a 132 IQ? (0)

#### Pingular (670773) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924904)

A General Intelligence Quotient Score (IQ Score) is a statistically derived number which indicates relative and comparative abilities that can be used to obtain academic skills and knowledge. Although I have to say they probably aren't all that accurate, as most people's IQs go up by 30-50 points from 18 to 60.

### Re:1250 is a 132 IQ? (1)

#### cyroth (103888) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924910)

Now looking for the "grammer" trolls

### FIRST POST (-1, Offtopic)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924806)

I know I didn't fail this one...FP!

### I do this all the time: (2, Insightful)

#### westyvw (653833) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924807)

Its the Scotty syndrome: It will take a long time, I dont know enough about it! I will try hard to get it done in a week. Then you get it done in 3 days, and everyone loves you. Look stupid, be smart.

### monkeys on the ACT (1)

#### mjdth (670822) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924809)

it has been proven that monkeys can score a 12 on the ACT.

this is pretty sad being that i know someone who actually got a 12.

### What does it measure though? (5, Interesting)

#### GreggyBUIUC (262370) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924823)

Scoring well on the SAT, or any other standardized test does little more than to prove that you can do well on standardized tests.

I'm in college now, and did relatively well on my SAT, but I'm a slacker... especially when it comes to academics. Just a plain lazy bastard.

The thing is that I had alot of friends who didn't do so well on the SAT, but they got into their undergrad school and worked their butt off and are now on their way to Med school. Now granted, in order to get into a good one, you still have to go through a nasty little M-CAT, something I know nothing about.

It seems though that something like the SAT shows little more than how you prepare for a very specific test and how you perform on a very specific day. What it shows to a lesser degree is your level of persistence, self discipline and perhaps most notably, your common sense. I have alot of friends who are going to be sucessful at what they do someday, but just don't do well sitting in a room answering multiple choice questions for three hours.

Perhaps this is why its a blessing that your standardized test scores are not the only critieria for admitance into higher learning institutions.

### My own minirant (3, Interesting)

#### Adam9 (93947) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924907)

I think the thing that pisses me off the most is the amount of preparation people can do for the tests. I mean, if these tests are supposed to measure (whatever they think it measures).. is it really that accurate when taking a Kaplan course guarantees to improve your score by 300 points? (I'm making up numbers, sorry, but you get the point) So far, I've seen it good for 3 things.

1. The tutors who get the money for test preps
2. Annoying egos (the same people who "failed" a test because they got a 96% and not a 99%)
3. Distinguishing people with high gpas without any other significant experience in h.s.

I think that was one of the things I hated most about high school.

### Re:My own minirant (1)

#### HanzoSan (251665) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924960)

Ok now you said a few things which are stupid.

1. The tutors who get the money for test preps

I agree with this, alot of rich kids have tutors and think they are somehow smart, if you buy your knowledge you arent intelligent, just rich.

2. Annoying egos (the same people who "failed" a test because they got a 96% and not a 99%)

This was a stupid comment, perhaps you need to take school more seriously, but if you want to keep a high GPA, you need to go for 100% on every paper, every exam, every peice of work. You need to learn to submit high quality work, and to not accept anything other than an A if you want to be successful in school.

3. Distinguishing people with high gpas without any other significant experience in h.s.

I have a high GPA in college (4.0), I was a slacker in highschool, maybe I learned to stop being lazy and not accept anything less than an A.

Why hate people for taking school seriously? Go get your GED if you are too lazy to compete in school.

### SATs are a filtering device (0)

#### HanzoSan (251665) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924934)

They do this to filter out the poor. The rich automatically have an advantage in that they are usually trained for the SAT, if you are poor you arent even thinking about the SAT, your teachers dont train you for the SATs, and unless you have parents who make you study for the SATs you wont ge t a good score.

The SATs are a filtering device pure and simple, I never even took the SATs, I should get around to taking it, but because I never took it I'm in a community college.

If I decide to take it now and I score a 1500, perhaps I would get accepted into Harvard a bit sooner, but you'll end up in the same spot if you get good grades, keep a 3.5 or above GPA, do well in your classes for a consistant period of time and you can transfer into Harvard. Its also cheaper this way.

SATs are useless, people should be judged by their grades, their merit, not some score on a test which could be a fluke, or which they could have used their money to train themselves for.

I dont know what I'd get on the SATs, my Math skills are kinda weak, but I'm guessing I'd get around a 1200-1400 range, because even if you only get a 500-600 on math, if you get 800 on verbal, it makes up for the difference.

Alot of people train hard for the SATs, get into Harvard or Yale, and drop out, mainly because they dont know how to work hard, they just know how to pass tests.

### Re:SATs are a filtering device (1)

#### Rinikusu (28164) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924953)

What are you *talking* about? I grew up poor, so did quite a few of my friends. We went to shitty public schools, where the teachers didn't care. I still took the AP courses when they were offered but never took the tests (because we couldn't afford them!). I didn't take the damn test until one month before I graduated, and guess what? I still got a scholarship. My friends still scored high, and we were all *poor*. We did well not because we enjoyed learning and pushed each other to learn new shit.

Then I got into college and slacked off and lost the scholarship. :( I'm now almost 30 and returning to finish one degree and hoping to get into grad school.

### This guy is awesome! (3, Funny)

#### graveyhead (210996) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924827)

I started to think of how radically different my mental state was from that of the high school students in the same room, taking the same test. An earlier show of hands indicated that most of the students were taking the SAT for the first time. So, I think it's very likely there were some people in the room who were terrified. For better or for worse they were confronting destiny. Meanwhile, I was confronting silliness. The difference in perspective seemed so extreme that there were moments when I shook with desperately suppressed laughter.

Damn this is funny. It makes me want to go and take the test just for the hell of it. I never actually took it because I changed high-schools and the timing was weird. I rocked that ACT test though and I was sweating it. Anyway, the point is now that I'm older, calmer and have more practical knowledge, I could probably rock that test hard and get into Yale. Oh yeah I forgot, Yale is a Bush party school.

### My lowest SAT score... (-1, Troll)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924835)

First goddamn post you fat stinking bespectacled celibate nerds!

PS: I didn't read the article.
PPS: I love Microsoft. Linux sucks.

Bill Gates is a genius. He programmed Windows and invented computers all by himself!

### boosting points (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924850)

i like how indirectlly the guy boosts the scores of other students into higher quartiles by purposefully tanking. Now if more guys like that would do that for my eco class I'd be happier about my final in 3 hours.

### At last I understand ... (-1, Redundant)

#### jkrise (535370) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924855)

How Steve Ballmer claims Windows is cheaper than Linux - the RAW price may be higher, but the scaled and relative prices can be played around with!!

How Windows XP is faster than Windows 98 - the tests are not done on the same m/cs, but measured globally, I suppose, and graded accordingly.

How Gartner reports are prepared.

How Linux has more viruses than Windows.

How Slashdot moderation works, moderators and their methods!!

How votes are counted in US elections.

and so on... maybe it's time for me to take a SAT test myself.

### The Slashdot Morning Telegraph Sports Report (-1, Offtopic)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924861)

Santiago's bat keeps Giants on hot streak

Santiago and Jose Cruz Jr. each hit three-run homers and drove in four runs apiece as the San Francisco Giants won their sixth straight game, beating the Atlanta Braves 9-2 Friday night.

The win also gave the Giants a 4-0 record on their road trip, coming off a three-game sweep of the Florida Marlins.

"I love the hot weather. I grew up in it. I wish we had 15 more games here," said Santiago, who was born in Puerto Rico. He went 2-for-3 and raised his average to .304.

"Right now I'm going good," said Santiago, who had a go-ahead homer on Tuesday night, added two RBI in a win Wednesday and was given the day off Thursday.

The Giants pulled away from a 3-2 lead in the eighth inning on Santiago's three-run homer to win a matchup of the teams with the NL's two best records. It was the first time the clubs have met since San Francisco beat the Braves in the first round of last year's playoffs.

Andruw Jones, who set a Braves' franchise record Thursday with an RBI in his ninth straight game, went 0-for-3 with a walk.

Santiago's homer made it 6-2 in the eighth. He connected off rookie left-hander Jung Keun Bong after a walk to Rich Aurilia and single by Barry Bonds.

He described his homer as "beautiful."

"I had swung too hard on the previous pitch, so I just told myself to just settle down and get a good pitch to hit," said Santiago.

Bonds went 2-for-5, stole a base and scored twice.

"You have good days and bad days. Today was a good day. Now we'll rest and go again tomorrow," he said.

Cruz was 0-for-3 before homering in the ninth. Jim Brower singled and Aurilia walked before Cruz hit his eighth home run off Jim Dawley.

Brower picked up his second save with three scoreless innings.

Santiago had a sacrifice fly in a two-run sixth, with the other run coming on a sacrifice fly by Cruz.

Santiago singled and scored on a single by Marquis Grissom in the first inning off Greg Maddux.

Maddux (3-4) gave up five hits and three runs in seven innings.

"I pitched good enough to lose, I guess," said Maddux. "Sometimes you have to win 2-1. It was a better game than the boxscore will show. It was close for the most part."

Rookie Jesse Foppert (2-2) made his fourth major league start, giving up two runs and five hits in six innings, his best effort since losing 1-0 to the Philadelphia Phillies and Kevin Millwood's no-hitter on April 27.

"I knew I had to throw a good game to beat Maddux," he said. "He's a great pitcher and it's kind of hard not to get caught up in that."

Both Atlanta runs came on solo homers. Chipper Jones hit one in the second and Marcus Giles homered in the sixth.

Game notes -- Bonds has eight homers against Maddux in 119 at-bats, tied with John Smoltz and Terry Mulholland for his most against any pitcher. Bonds went 1-for-3 against Maddux, a single. ... The crowd of 32,040 was the second largest of the season at Turner Field. The biggest was on opening day when 40,244 showed up in a 10-2 loss to Montreal.

### MCAS vs SAT (5, Interesting)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924868)

On standardized testing being a joke: According to the MCAS (Massachusetts Comprehensive Assessment System for those of you outside of the state, a test that aims to determine graduation eligibility and falls...short.) I'm supposed to be *barely* average in math and below standard in english. SAT I Verbal : 800 (99%) SAT I Math : 790 (99%) SAT II Lit. : 770 (97%) SAT II Math IIC: 760 (81%) SAT II Math IC : 730 (93%) Currently, a rather frightening percentage of Mass. high school students are being denied their diplomas because of MCAS scores...and I picked up a total of some $100,000 per year in academic scholarships from six different colleges...and I'm currently getting$26,000/year from the one I chose to attend. The class one year before me had to pass the MCAS in order to graduate. Were it not for that one year...I might still be a high school senior. Standardized tests are a joke...and aren't really that funny.

### /.ing ETS? (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924879)

I would SO laugh if there were some "unaccountable fall" in the average SAT score this year.

### Well.. (1)

#### Loki_1929 (550940) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924883)

I did ok with my 1330, although had I taken the test more than once, I'd have probably ended up with the magic number of 1400 or higher.

To those who don't know much about the SAT, they take the highest score for the math and the highest score for the verbal section from all the tests you take (there's no limit I'm aware of), and they're added together for your total score. So if I score a 600/700 on my math and verbal respectively on my first test, and then a 700/600 on my math and verbal respectively on the second test, my final score is 700/700, or 1400. The reason I mention 1400 as a "magic number" is because that's the score at which most of the SAT-based scholarships become available.

### But why?? (1)

#### Billly Gates (198444) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924886)

Doesn't this guy have anything better to do with his time? Taking a test ranks right up with going to the dentist. It sucks and is the most boring thing I can think of that I do not look forward to doing.

Also I am supprised they let an adult out of highschool take it. I finished my senior year in Canada so I did not take the SAT. I decided back in the states on my junior year to take it a year later so I can have a higher score.

Since I am in community college now I might as well take it again since I can score really high and get into a good 4 year school.

### Re:But why?? (1)

#### MyHair (589485) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924948)

Since I am in community college now I might as well take it again since I can score really high and get into a good 4 year school.

You're considered a transfer student now, and the admission rules are different. Get the current catalog from your desired school and check the transfer admission requirements; you may not need the SAT at all, in fact I'm not sure it will necessarily help you.

### Essay questions on the SAT (4, Interesting)

#### autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924892)

Does anyone else find the idea of essay questions on the SAT at least, idiotic?

I mean, without a keyboard and a spellchecker I'm nothing! My handwriting is absolutely terrible. But none of that matters in collage, since papers will be turned in after being typed on a computer. And even if a grader isn't going to look at those things specifically, they'll still be affected by them, as well as whether or not they agree with the essay. Not to mention the fact that it's going to be insanely expensive to grade these things. They'll need about 1,500 graders each grading 1,500 papers. Can you imagine grading that many boring essays about random subjects? My brain would just go numb. The only fair way to do it would be to have each essay graded by a diverse group of graders, and then average the score. But that would cost even more per test. Or perhaps they could figure out some way to grade essays by a computer. Teach a neural net the properties of a good essay and see what it comes up with.

Or they could just not do it...

### Re:Essay questions on the SAT (1)

#### hazem (472289) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924961)

When I took the GMAT (to get in to an MBA program), there were essays. Each was graded by 4 professors. They discarded the score that was most different and took the average of the remainder.

Poor profs - the ones who grade these are no doubt the untenured saps who have to scrap for every bit of money.

But, at least with the GMAT, it WAS on a computer - no spellcheck, of course.

I just took the Foreign Service Exam to get into the State Department. Damn thing was with pen on paper. I pitty the fool that has to try to read mine... then again, they already have their nifty job in the diplomatic corps... and I probably won't!

### By the way, (-1, Offtopic)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924902)

"Tensai" is Japanese for "Genius".

### it's easy, just double bubble! (4, Interesting)

#### fugu (99277) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924911)

dude, if you fill in 2 bubbles you get the question wrong, all he had to do was scribble in heavy black down the whole page and he'd be done in 20 seconds

### Re:it's easy, just double bubble! (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924957)

Wow...dumb as this is...it's perfectly right.

#### ksdd (634242) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924915)

...Lowest...raw score...ever...

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5924927)

Who else here got roped into taking the SAT in 7th grade for that Duke University "talent search" thing? I did that along with a few people from my school and got a pathetic score as a result.

In my area, 7th graders were barely scratching the surface of pre-algebra, with algebra starting the next year. That's assuming you weren't in the "other" math class, in which case you didn't even get pre-algebra until 8th grade.

With that in mind, what 7th grader would be able to handle the math part of the SAT? I took one look at that stuff and decided to not even try. My score was pretty low, but nowhere near what this guy pulled off.

### Recentering in 1995?! (-1, Offtopic)

#### jkrise (535370) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924929)

In other 1995 news, Microsoft released an operating system called Windows 95. Coincidence?!

Dumbing down the UI and pushing up IQ scores - now wonder this recentered score is not accepted widely.

### My experience... (5, Interesting)

#### crashnbur (127738) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924943)

When taking the PSAT during my sophomore year in high school, I decided that the school didn't need to know my ethnic origin, whether the information was gathered for statistican purposes only or not. The choices were typical (White/Caucasian, Black/African-American, Hispanic/Latino, Asian, etc...), and there was a seventh blank marked "Other", suggesting anyone of any ethnicity not listed to list their brand name. I thought I did a very noble thing for a white boy in urban central Georgia, and I checked the "Other" box and wrote in, "I'm human. What does it matter?"

The test proctor, a Geometry teacher, didn't like this very much and sent me to the principal's office. I gladly took my test answer sheet up to the principal's office and told them the story I wrote here. The principal took the answer sheet and showed it to a couple of people around the office, presumably to get second and third (reinforcing) opinions, and then returned the test sheet to me and told me to get back to class, finish the test, "and if she has any further problem with this, send her to me."

My first reaction was, whoa, "send her to you"?! I don't have that authority. She made me understand that I had done nothing wrong and should definitely not be punished for it. (To be honest, I do not remember if my main purpose was to be a smartass or to promote social colorblind-ness, but it shouldn't matter if anyone reads it properly.)

Anyway, the moral of this story is: if you let them get used to you simply falling into line and always doing the expected thing, you get locked into it. On the other hand, if you let them know you're just less than predictable, and perhaps even a bit crazy or eccentric, then you can get away with much more and even get them to think harder about things. I succeeded that day, and my ego swelled from that of a skinny, nerdy white boy into that of a taller, more confident, skinny, nerdy white boy. :-)

p.s.-- my favorite line from Colin Fahey's site:

So, in this latest experience, when I worked very hard to determine the correct answer for each question, and then proceeded to pick the exact WRONG answer (in fact, the most RIDICULOUS answer), I had a very strong emotional reaction. For a while I worried that this new peculiar feeling of freedom was in fact insanity; I was finally making the transition to madness.
Yeah, I feel that ALL the time. Marching to the beat of a different drum is liberating, but self-liberation is viewed as insanity until it catches on...

### job offer from microsoft (1)

#### b17bmbr (608864) | more than 11 years ago | (#5924956)

i hear this guy was offered a job at microsoft to head their server division.
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