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Microsoft Bites Apple, Apple Bites Back

pudge posted more than 11 years ago | from the i'll-get-the-popcorn dept.

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hype7 writes "The NYT (free reg reqd etc) is running an interesting article on where MS seems to be getting all the ideas for its next big OS release, Longhorn. It's only a quickie, but they look at MS's big news from WinHEC, and their possible sources for inspiration. They also pull out that fantastic Bill Gates quote: 'The one thing Apple's providing now is leadership in colors'; and that Apple execs are now having a laugh of their own over how Longhorn, 'Microsoft's 2005 version of its Windows operating system, apes features that have been in Apple's OS X operating system since 2001.'"

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Microsoft knows Apples are good for colon health (-1, Offtopic)

colon cleaner (671937) | more than 11 years ago | (#5937992)

Let's talk stools.

The stool tells you a lot about your colon health. If it's dark brown in color, and it sinks, and it stinks, that's not good. And don't feel bad, that's the way most people are. What you want to see is light brown color, which means it's full of fresh bile from the liver, very mild odor, and a stool that floats. We're talking low-density here folks. The more compaction you have the darker the color and the faster it sinks. Compaction is not good. Also, moving bowels should be SIMPLE. If the veins are popping out of your neck and you feel like your doing the bench press, you NEED to cleanse your colon.

When you do the cleanse, for the first few days....things are a little weird. But you know you're cleansed when you see the above good stuff happening, and you are eliminating at least 2-3 times per day.

Cleansing your colon is a 30-day process. No need to change your current diet. Its also very economical at under $52. You may be very surprised at some of the benefits you will receive besides just losing 1-5 lbs of cr*p from your body and brightening your future health.

People have reported more energy, less allergies, clearing of acne, cessation of migraines, and many other results, not to mention restored regularity. When your body is void of old, poisonous toxins that are constantly being reabsorbed through the colon walls, it can begin to heal again. And when the colon walls are clean, the good nutrients from your food and supplements can be absorbed again. You will be thrilled with the results.

Re:Microsoft knows Apples are good for colon healt (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938043)

Dear Apple,

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Dear Apple,

I am a homosexual

Dear Apple,

I am a homosexual.

fck u k? thx bye

Flattery and Imitation (5, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#5937993)

Imitation is the scincerest form of flattery. Where will flattery take you today?

I recall, years back, an avi making the rounds with Bill Gates speaking (at a MacWorld?) and sheepishly admitting that the Mac was the best or had the best desktop or something along those lines. As if Win95 didn't cement clearly the view that Microsoft indeed was impressed with, at least the look and feel, we get more of this, "Gee, Apple is visionary, so we'll just copy what they do", from the big innovator. Well, no surprise, but I do wonder whether there's an agreement where Microsoft pays Apple for some of this, or is it just payment 'in-kind' (meaning Microsoft products which run on Macs)?

"As a matter of fact we do have a Research and Development department, we call it, 'Apple Computer, Inc.'"

Re:Flattery and Imitation (5, Funny)

Jedi Alec (258881) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938037)

but I do wonder whether there's an agreement where Microsoft pays Apple for some of this

Apple gets to ship IE with their computers ;-)

Re:Flattery and Imitation (2, Insightful)

Hard_Code (49548) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938120)

And this is a blessing or a curse? Once Safari is up to speed, will Apple really need IE?

Re:Flammery and Irritation (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938048)

Irritation is the sincerest form of flammery. Where will flammery take you today?

I recall "your back", an avi making the rounds with Bill Goats speaking (at a MacDonals?) and sheepishly admitting that the Big Mac was the best or had the best lettuce or something along those lines. As if cocaine didn't cement clearly the view that Macrintoft indeed was impressed with, at least the look and feel, we get more of this, "Gee, Snapple is visionary, so we'll just copy what they do", from the big irritator. Well, no surprise, but I do wonder whether there's an agreement where Macrintoft pays Snapple for some of this, or is it just payment 'in-kind' (meaning Macrintoft products which run?)?

"As a matter of fact we do have a Desearch and Revelopment department, we call it, 'Snapple Drinks, Inc.'"

Re:Flattery and Imitation (-1)

Calver (653887) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938051)

Well this should be confirmed by someone with up-to-date news but in the late '90, microsoft bought 25% of the shares of apple. Dunno if they still have them but that could explain some of it.

Re:Flattery and Imitation (2, Informative)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938101)

Microsoft invested $150 million in Apple in 1997. It was definitely not 25% of Apple shares and I don't think they even had enough to vote on anything.

Re:Flattery and Imitation (5, Informative)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938128)

Microsoft invested $150 million in Apple in 1997. It was definitely not 25% of Apple shares and I don't think they even had enough to vote on anything.
They were non-voting shares, and MS has since disposed of them.

Re:Flattery and Imitation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938135)

Oh boy! It was 250 million dollars--at the time Apple was worth 16 billion. Figure out your own percentages. This was in '97 and almost all of the stock was sold off (and in part responsible for) the decline back down into the twenties.

Jesus, people--you are on the internet--so do some freakin research before blathering on like ignoramuses! Please.

Re:Flattery and Imitation (5, Informative)

LoadStar (532607) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938180)

Well this should be confirmed by someone with up-to-date news but in the late '90, microsoft bought 25% of the shares of apple. Dunno if they still have them but that could explain some of it.

Ok, this has to be THE worst interpretation of facts I have ever seen in my life. It is SO far from the truth it's not even funny.

August 6, 1997, Microsoft agreed to purchase $150 million in non-voting Apple preferred stock. This wasn't anywhere close to 25%. Note that it was NON-VOTING stock - so essentially it was just a goodwill investment in Apple. Microsoft was required to hold the stock for at least 3 years before selling. Another clause of this investment was that Microsoft was to continue to produce Macintosh products, including all new versions of the Microsoft Office product.

Microsoft has since sold all of this stock - at a nice profit, I might add. Additionally, the agreement that required Microsoft to continue to develop Macintosh products has since expired as well.

I could have just modded this down - but I thought that attempting to correct this ridiculous interpretation of events would be more beneficial.

Re:Flattery and Imitation (5, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938117)

The Win95 shell imitates NeXTStep in its appearance far more than it does MacOS, and its behavior is Motif-like. (Or vice-versa depending on who you ask.)

First Post (-1, Offtopic)

BurkeChowdah (464221) | more than 11 years ago | (#5937996)

Old, I know, but still lots of mileage!!

YOU'RE GONNA GET LOTS OF VOMIT MILEAGE, FAILURE! (-1)

I VOMIT ON FAILURES! (652124) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938017)

Pack it up cuz it's gonna get sticky as I get sicky all over you!

google loves you (5, Informative)

ramzak2k (596734) | more than 11 years ago | (#5937997)

article without registration [nytimes.com]

Wish i was an editor

Re:google loves you (1)

the_machine (168692) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938029)

I wish you were too.

yo mama loves you (1, Offtopic)

Echnin (607099) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938050)

Re:yo mama loves you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938091)

hehe , nice one !

Re:google loves you (5, Funny)

sharkey (16670) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938175)

Wish i was an editor

Well, your grasp of capitalization is loose, puntuation is nonexistant and your grammar is subpar. You meet the minimum requirements for Slashdot editorship. The problem is, you were able to locate the free article, read it and subsequently create a functional link to it using HTML tags. This disqualifies you from consideration for the job.

The both copy each other... (5, Insightful)

ajiva (156759) | more than 11 years ago | (#5937998)

Apple copies Microsoft, and Microsoft copies Apple.
Apple coppied the WinXP feature that lets users switch who's logged in without losing state. And Microsoft copies features from Apple. Its the Kettle calling the Pot black...

Re:The both copy each other... (4, Funny)

BJZQ8 (644168) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938015)

Jobs and Gates are two immovable objects that are colliding with irresistable force...and these are the results. They just sort of merge together. Apple becomes DRM-loving Microsoft, and Microsoft becomes touchy-feely-hippie-interfaced Apple. No surprise to me.

Re:The both copy each other... (5, Insightful)

feldsteins (313201) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938164)

I'm sure Bill & Co. would love to be able to present themselves as free-wheeling hipsters when it suited them (and Apple would love to be able to present themselves as the no-nonsense, utilitarian Corporate Approved Vendor.) But no, there are still meaningful differences between the two companies philosophical approaches.

The idea that Steve copies Bill as much as Bill copies Steve is ludicrous on it's face. Microsoft copies Apple tons more, always has. Listen, I'm not saying that makes them evil. They're not breaking the law here. Let them copy away! It's good for everyone. I'm merely pointing out that they're not the "innovation powerhouse" that they make themselves out to be. Calling a spade a spade.

And Apple has been the most consistently anti-DRM company you can name besides the P2P companies themselves. Their current nod to DRM in the iTunes Music Store is an amazing achievement in that they somehow convinced the RIAA that we all might actually buy the music if it wasn't DRM'd to death (see PressPlay, for example). Apple has been as pro-consumer as a company can get in the whole digital music thing. Tossing them in the same bin as Microsoft isn't accurate or fair.

Re:The both copy each other... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938060)

And everybody get's better systems because of it.

Re:The both copy each other... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938107)

Naw, nothing good comes from microsoft. That crap they make would spoil a whole barrel of Apples in 1 hour. Apple borrows NOTHING. Nothing I say.

Re:The both copy each other... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938155)

Everybody but linux users, of course; who still cant cut and paste in a standard way.

Re:The both copy each other... (1)

Twanfox (185252) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938074)

Maybe I'm missing something, but with OS X, isn't the difference between "Saved State" for the GUI and backgrounding all applications (since it is a unix-based OS) pretty minimal? And, how was the timing of these two releases/feature inclusions?

Not that I'm defending Apple, MS just has a tendancy to do some pretty disreputable stuff.

Re:The both copy each other... (2, Insightful)

H9000 (529061) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938111)

If I'm not wrong both copied the su command from "Unix" ...

CU
H9000

Hey...Microsoft is catching up (2, Funny)

btakita (620031) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938000)

Used to be Apple had a great GUI since the early 1980's when Microsoft came out with Windows 3.1. around 1990.

Re:Hey...Microsoft is catching up (1)

lxadu99 (8549) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938084)

Then apple came out with OS X leaving windows behind...

Bill Gates is a Big Idiot (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938003)

Microsoft is evil. Apple is for idiots. OpenBSD is for people who aren't smart enough for Linux.

Linux! Linux! Linux! We're on Slashdot and only people with 8 hours of free time to spend each day learning Linux are worthy of our attention. So quit posting about Apple and Micro$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$oft.

Re:Bill Gates is a Big Idiot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938143)

Linux will be a real OS when it gets a decent GUI. X-Windows is a life form one step removed from an ameoba. X-Windows exists only because Sun News failed. It's a mistake and aberation. Before criticizing OS/X and Windows why don't you put your mouth where your ego is and come up with a better Window system for Linux.

At least OS/X and Windows has a better GUI than X. X the experiment and the mistake. X the Exit sign. Linux is for Unix gurus who can't invent a better alternative. Linux is a OS for fools who are to blinded by bigotry to see the virtues in other systems. Linus is an idiot because all he can copy is Unix.

And... (-1, Troll)

Quixote (154172) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938013)

Apple execs are now having a laugh of their own over how Longhorn, 'Microsoft's 2005 version of its Windows operating system, apes features that have been in Apple's OS X operating system since 2001.'"

<flamesuit> ... and have been a feature in *BSD since ... ? </flamesuit>

Re:And... (3, Informative)

PhoenixK7 (244984) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938058)

They're talking about Quartz Extreme, hardware accelerated UI stuff (using OGL on the mac, DirectX on Longhorn). So, in that respect, *BSD has not had this since sometime before 2001, and it doesn't really have it now. There are a few toy projects that do this (one was mentioned on slashdot a few weeks ago), but afaik nobody did this in a production quality way before OS X (BeOS had double buffering but didn't use OGL for rendering stuff in the 2d UI).

Re:And... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938069)

Yeah, Quixote... you are redundant. Remove yourself from the Apple playground immeadiatly. We don't like worms like you here.

Apple leadership? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938016)

The same company that didn't offer a preemptive, protected multitasking OS until OS X, years and years after Microsoft had Windows NT?

Re:Apple leadership? (3, Insightful)

EvilBudMan (588716) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938088)

I think we are talking about the GUI and not the kernel here. Apple has always been ahead of M$ in that area.

Re:Apple leadership? (3, Interesting)

Hard_Code (49548) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938093)

Point.

But when they did offer such an OS, they did it right.

Re:Apple leadership? (1, Insightful)

d3xt3r (527989) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938094)

That preemtive, protected, multitasking NT kernel sure led to a lot of BSODs. I'd say that Mac OS X came to market around the same time that Win NT (2000) became usable for anything other than wasting CPU cycles on business desktops.

Bring a product to market and make it usable 4 years later. Great job MS!!!

Re:Apple leadership? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938140)

Don't forget Xenix. Yes, boys and girls, the thing we now call "SCO UNIX" was created by Microsoft... the fact that their managers are a bunch of bastards doesn't mean Microsoft doesn't have some extremely competent and talented staff (ex., David Cutler, the chief architect of the NT kernel).

Re:Apple leadership? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938145)

-1; Honesty.

Re:Apple leadership? (3, Insightful)

darkwiz (114416) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938188)

Rational arguments can be made against preemptive multitasking for particular applications, or single task oriented machines (if you have a tick every 10ms for scheduling, 100 times a second you are dumping the cache and TLB, potentially for no good reason - and to a reasonable hit in performance). However, the average computer users' patterns of usage have shifted away from single task oriented use (because the cpus are actually fast enough to really be productive doing more than one thing - even w/preemption on a 1ms tick). Josephine User wants that update to download along with her P2P in the background while she's listening to MP3's and emailing someone. This wasn't an issue 5 years ago except to power users.

However, you are right in criticizing the lack of protected memory - a source of great irritation and many unnecessary crashes and reboots. The market demanded it, and Apple provided. Where is the criticism here?

ps: I still use Linux, even on my Macs, but I believe in fair criticism.

How ironic (1)

dfiguero (324827) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938024)

And then they claim the Linux community don't produce any innovations... And look who's the copycat.

At least Gates admits it (0, Flamebait)

ThomasFlip (669988) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938026)

At least Bill Gates has the balls to admit he's ripping off OSX.

Re:At least Gates admits it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938116)

I didn't read that.

Use the partner link, Luke. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938028)

Fact or Fiction (5, Funny)

telstar (236404) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938030)

Remind me again ... do we consider New York Times articles to be fact or fiction these days?
I hear they're creeping towards the top of their own Fiction Best Sellers list these days.

Re:Fact or Fiction (0, Troll)

the_machine (168692) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938063)

Remind me again ... do we consider New York Times articles to be fact or fiction these days?


It depends on if they were written by minority reporters.

Re:Fact or Fiction (1)

hipster_doofus (670671) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938170)

Here's a link [go.com] to a story regarding the New York Times reporter that telstar is referring to. :-)

MS too proud... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938032)

...to admit that they could do better by using another product as a base.

Not Surprising... (0, Flamebait)

Dr Reducto (665121) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938042)

Microsoft steals ideas, patents them, and them sues the originator. Very smart business practices. It is way better than actually innovating, which is what Apple does.

Re:Not Surprising... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938127)

You are Such a good Apple. Let's give you to the Teacher.

Re:Not Surprising... (2, Informative)

ichimunki (194887) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938131)

You're kidding, right? Microsoft is very low on the patent radar, unless you count being named as a defendent/respondent is numerous patent infringement suits. In fact, Apple filed a lawsuit against Microsoft for stealing the "look and feel" of Mac OS-- which wasn't, in 1984, all that novel itself.

DIE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938044)

use MS products? you are a moron. die.

thanks.

So What else is new? (1)

JivanMukti (589480) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938045)

This has been going on for decades. I remember when Win95 came out and people were talking about all the great "new" features it had. It was all things my Mac (running 7.1 at the time) had had for years.

Nothing has really changed all these years.

Re:So What else is new? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938086)

I don't know about you, but I consider application and game compatibility a feature as well. Tell me when OS X catches up.

Re:So What else is new? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938169)

You worm in apple clothing. Get out of the tree. You're covered with a crisp green skin, but inside you are a fetid, rotting mass.
Fall away, parasite, Fall away.

Headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938049)

"Microsoft Bites Apple, Apple Bites Back"

It's like one of those "in Soviet Russia" jokes isn't it?

"In Soviet Russia, Apple bites Microsoft."

In Soviet Russia...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938165)

Everywhere else, Apple just bites.

this is what free market is about (4, Insightful)

Raleel (30913) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938054)

Competition makes the product better. MS learns, they are not stupid. They are stealing from Linux, they are stealing from Apple, Linux is stealing from both, etc.

Feed on each other to make a stronger whole :)

Linux to catch up to 1993! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938055)

Gnome 2.4 and KDE 3.2 will finally have the option to change the screen resolution of your display without having to restart X, But gnome 2.4 will still have the old win 3.1 file dialog!

Yawn (1, Troll)

Scotch Game (442068) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938056)

Another Slashdot story detailing how Microsoft can't possibly be actually good at anything, it can only *copy* good things. Or steal. Or bully. Yawn.

When individuals mock other groups in a social setting they're called insecure and intimidated.

Same here. Everyone here is a Microphobe. My suspicion is that everyone goes home, hides in their closet, and plays with their WinCE handhelds.

Re:Yawn (4, Funny)

HarveyBirdman (627248) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938110)

Everyone here is a Microphobe.

Uuummm.... fear of microphones?

Fear of germs?

Fear of tiny gay men?

"laughed the apple execs" (1, Funny)

Loosewire (628916) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938057)

Then they sued M$ and we all laughed a bit more :)

how many different ways ... (1)

khalua (468456) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938059)

...can you slap together a monitor, a keyboard, and whiz bang periphals anyway?

It seems that someone must lead the way to new designs. If not Apple, who then?

Has either company (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938064)

Has either company ever thanked Xerox?

25 years next month!
what would I be doing if I hadn't?
scares me to think about it

Re:Has either company (5, Informative)

HarveyBirdman (627248) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938085)

Yes. Apple gave Xerox quite a lot of stock options for what little they used from the Alto work.

Honestly, you'd think the Internet would have spread information to the four corners of the Earth, but all it does it perpetuate the myths.

Sign Needed: (3, Insightful)

tnak (163802) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938066)

"No Feeding the MS Bashers"


Seriously, this 'article' is the journalistic equivalent of the Sci-Fi channel bumpers [slashdot.org] and the only reason I can see for Slashdot to post it is to start another anti-MS feeding frenzy.

Do different companies in the same industry steal ideas from each other? Yes. Is it news? Not unless they get caught doing it before the other fella, i.e. industrial spying.

Request to Slashdot editors (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938075)

Can we please restrict Apple advertising to the banner? Thank you.

Who's the bad guy today? (3, Funny)

YetAnotherName (168064) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938077)

Not only has Apple been selling cinema-style flat panel displays for several years, but last year it filed patent application 20030002246, titled "active enclosure for computing device," ...

Help, I'm conflicted.

News? (3, Interesting)

Ghoser777 (113623) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938082)

Considering this is all that linux distros have been doing for the past several years, how is this news? It seems that this same idea gets rehashed every so often. Yes, I'm not happy that lil' BG turned on Apple, but what do you expect Microsoft to do...

Microsoft Employee: Look, Apple just added X feature to OS X!
Bill Gates: Well rats. Since they beat us to the punch, we should just voluntarially not add the feature for the next five to ten years as if they had a patent on it or something.
Microsoft Employee: Good idea sir!

No way - as soon as one company adds some service or markets an idea, other companies can start using it as well. Apple's and Linux's big problem isn't microsoft stealing little features and design attributes, it's that people don't realize that both are very stable and allow you to do almost the exact same thing as a PC running windows. If that myth ever goes away, then there's a legitimate chance that users will start to move over at a noticeable rate to alternative platforms for the desktop.

Matt Fahrenbacher

Re:News? (1)

lxadu99 (8549) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938136)

According to the article, the new computer put out as a joint venture by HP and MS shows some similarity to the LCD imac (wide lcd, diode for button, etc). In fact, the system may be in violation of patents owned by apple. I want to see some screen shots of the new system before I decide if the system is really a bad copy or not.

Athens? Yuck! (2, Interesting)

Craig Maloney (1104) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938097)

Leave it to Microsoft and HP to turn the sleek "I want it" of an Apple into something that looks like a cheap rip-off for a kids toy company. If that's the best they can do in the design, they need to get out and get some fresh ideas.

Where's the beef (4, Informative)

timeOday (582209) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938098)

That article was short and uninformative. The only "innovative" feature clearly alleged stolen is the particular aspect ratio of the screen, which 1) who cares and 2) isn't an "idea", just a design choice.

Ugly (4, Insightful)

scrotch (605605) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938100)

That computer looks like an iMac using a painted Commodore 64 keyboard and 2 little arms stuck on the sides. Couldn't they integrate the camera into the screen a little better? And what is that thing hanging off the left side? And why on Earth would it be there? Couldn't that be under the keyboard somewhere?

I know it's a prototype, but isn't this the stage where you make it beautiful - because it doesn't have to work well yet?

This is why MS gets accused of copying more often than anyone else. It's a second class rip off. When you steal from something, you should be able to look at the original and improve upon it. This is just playing catch up.

one of the features they haven't told us about yet (5, Funny)

rock_climbing_guy (630276) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938103)

The mandatory registration will automatically register you for the New York Times. Then, Internet Explorer will automatically remember your registration ID and password. Oh yeah, maybe mandatory registration will automatically sign you up for MS Passport as well.

Heck, it reminds me of the Dilbert cartoon where an "InstalSHIELD" type program displays the message "Install Wizard is now placing orders for products you will probably need... Found your credit card number..."

umm.... (1)

mike77 (519751) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938104)

do I smell a lawsuit?

Can M$ actually do this w/out incurring the wrath of Apple's lawyers?

Microsoft copies Apple... (-1, Flamebait)

inteller (599544) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938109)

...only thing is Microsoft can reach a mass audience and make more money while Apple caters to a choir of zealots. Oh the horror of all those Apple zealots that are going to starve this month for propping up blow Job's iTunes network!

Here's a summary... (4, Funny)

Dthoma (593797) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938112)

...of the responses this story will no doubt get when more people start commenting, for the benefit of those lacking time to read them all:

  • Apple copies Microsoft
  • Microsoft copies Apple
  • Everyone copies the hell out of everyone else
  • All of these features were in BSD/Linux/AIX/VMS/SysV since 1995/1990/1985/1930
  • Fuck you all, Apple rulez
  • I know I'm going to get modded down for saying this, but Microsoft has innovated
  • Give one example where Microsoft has innovated
  • An example of Microsoft innovation
  • Five examples of Apple's innovation
  • Somebody screaming that all of these features were copied from an obscure OS from thirty years ago
  • I use Multics! I love it, and you should too!
  • Fuck Linux
  • Fuck Microsoft
  • Shaddap all of you, copying is part of innovation
  • Imagine a Beowulf cluster of iMacs!
  • The latest Microsoft PCs are copies of iMacs
  • Here's a reg-free link to the article
  • Steve Jobs hasn't had an original idea since 1990
  • Bill Gates hasn't had an original idea since 1970
  • ...plus the standard trolls

More to come.........uhhhhhh...yeah (5, Funny)

curtisk (191737) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938123)

"We only showed glimpses of the future of Longhorn,Wait until the fall when we'll go into more detail at the Professional Developers Conference."

Yeah, after they check out Apple's latest OSX version "Panther" [apple.com] in July :)
They only need a few months to emulate what they see there, right?!

Everybody copies everybody (0, Redundant)

Lerxst Pratt (618277) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938124)

The subject says it all. Everyone is groping to find out what customers like best. That's what I like about competition - it benefits the end user in many cases. There's no reason to bash Microsoft over this one. They're just giving the customer what they want. If what the customer wants happens to look like a Mac, fine. I'm just waiting for Linux to do the same and give the average-Joe-everyday-user what they want. That will really impress me!

MS Inspiration (2, Interesting)

Omega1045 (584264) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938125)

I have good frieds at M$. This is no trade secret, but MAC OS X is not the only place they are getting ideas. Just about every person on know as M$ (about 10) has some linux distro running at home or in a VM. I am sure we can all find features in linux that the new Windows will have.

Seriously, they should just port all their stuff to linux and built a Windows GUI to replace X (I have nothing against X, that would just be a good strategy for M$. Or, they can keep making all the friggin money they are making now).

Re:MS Inspiration (1)

curtisk (191737) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938171)

Or, they can keep making all the friggin money they are making now

You have a good "hypothetical" idea, MS making an X-window system, I think that would be interesting. But they are NOT going to give up their $$$ via their licensing techniques, and they can't charge that much for a GUI front end.

are patents still bad if apple has them? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938126)

Not only has Apple been selling cinema-style flat panel displays for several years, but last year it filed patent application 20030002246, titled "active enclosure for computing device," which describes a machine that contains an array of rainbow-hued light-emitting diodes.
its apple, the company /. loves. are generic patents still bad, or are they acceptable because they might hurt MS?

MS did this with Apple before (5, Interesting)

marian (127443) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938132)

Am I the only one who remembers the "Look and Feel" lawsuit Apple lost after MS first released Windows? MS already knows they can steal anything they like without any significant retribution from either the government or other corporations, which is exactly what they do. The only real innovation coming from Redmond is new and better ways to take other people's technology, add it to their own, then put the original creators out of business.

BSD (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5938133)

Microsoft steals from apple. Apple steals from microsoft. Do you know who they both steal from? BSD.

Why even bother commenting? (0, Offtopic)

Torgo's Pizza (547926) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938137)

This is one of those article submissions where I'll set the comment filter to 5 simply because the comments are going to be in four groups. Thirty-two percent of the articles are going to be MS bashing, the other 32 percent will be either reposts of the NYT article or a link to the Google referrer page; 32 percent will mention that Apple stole from Xerox Parc and the remaining 4 percent will actually have something enlightening to say.

Re:Why even bother commenting? (1)

Torgo's Pizza (547926) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938163)

And no, I don't think that my comment is one of the four percent. Consider it a statistical anomaly.

Swings and roundabouts... (1)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938138)

(NB. This isn't meant to be a rant. This isn't meant to start an OS flame war. This isn't a troll. It's just an observation.)

Sometimes Microsoft copies Apple, sometimes Apple copies Microsoft. Sometimes Linux copies from both of them, sometimes they both copy from Linux.

Big deal.

Playing feature catch-up isn't anything new. It's been around since the stone age - "Hey, look, that guy's spear flies truer than ours because it's lighter and straighter. Let's do that too."

Apart from OS zealots, does anyone really give a damn which OS was the first to sport a particular feature? I mean, do you really care more about which OS had the feature first than which has the best implementation? Even then, how often is one single feature* the overriding factor when determining your choice of platform?

(*Just to be clear, when I say feature, I'm talking about code, like pre-emptive multi-tasking, not price and real-world aesthetics, such as how much an OS costs or how good the box looks on your desktop. Obviously, there are people out there who'll use Linux because it's a low cost solution and there are people out there who'll use Apple Macs because they like their physical design.)

Did anybody notice the photo (of the MS/HP Athens) (4, Funny)

rgoer (521471) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938146)

I mean, sure, we can go back and forth with the same old MS vs Apple BS... but there is something new and humorous to point out here:

Did anybody notice the desktop image used in the promo photo of the MS/HP Athens (top right of atricle page)? It's as if MS said: "you're damned right we're copying Apple. Fuck them! We'll copy their default desktop image, too, pompous bastards that they are!"

While Microsoft is "innovating"... (0, Troll)

s4dfish (672747) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938150)

It'd be nice if they could rip-off some "innovation" in the area of a stable OS.

What's so funny? (2, Funny)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938154)

Apple do lead in colors! I just started using XP for the first time in my life. It took me a few minutes to recognize the color scheme. It's just like the stuff in the 0-6 months section of the toy shop. The pastoral background scene and the primary colors are from the same school of design as mom decorating for her new baby.

Still, XP does boot and shut down fast. That's something worth paying for and I wish Apple would follow.

"That's mine, you can't have it" (3, Insightful)

bmetz (523) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938159)

The underlying issue is that people feel that somehow 'their' particular technological provider is the sole benefactor of whatever un-patent-worthy trend in the industry is going on. We should be glad that this isn't the case, but due to 'interface addiction' we see innovation spreading as somehow threatening. All it theatens is the ability to feel superior.

What, do you think iTunes is visionary? How about the idea of a 'digital media hub'? These are ancient news in the computing world and the fact that one company got to market a year before the other says more about scheduling than it does about innovation.

The absolute worst is people who think Microsoft making their UI more 'soft' was a direct response to OS X. These UI changes don't get dreamed up at the last minute -- they're part of an evolution that takes years.

I will admit there are some times when it's pretty blatant that a company's idea is stolen.

Computer manufacturers noticed apple's sales take off when they went for a more stylish look. Yes, they're copying. It's called capitalism and it's what raises the bar for everyone. What, do you think apple came up the idea of making something they're selling look good?

It's no different from JC Penny selling some fashion that the GAP came up with. Thanks for the idea, say hello to the free market. We as consumers win, the innovator gets first-to-market advantage. But that's ALL they get.

Seems like an Ugly and impractible design. (3, Interesting)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938161)

That Microsoft HP computer doesnt look at all good or pratical. It reminds me of a dentist chair. If microsoft is pushing towards Home intertainment they need to produce something that looks good in homes. That is where Apple Excells. People can argue about Tech Specs untill they are blue in the face and it will never end. I am at the opinion PC and Macs technically are about equal and a couple Seconds here and there dosent bother me. But apple products have a practical and formfull design to their products. That actually look good in a home or office. And sometimes that is actually more important. If an i-Mac makes your office seem more high tech and clean then it could help make a potentional customers (The ones that pay the cash and often arnt to technical) because your office seems to be organized and modern. And at home a lot of people dont like having Big Off White or Black boxes in their rooms because they seem to be an indrustral design in a non industral room. Most of us dont really care how a computer will look with your room but for others it is more of a consern and the tech specs dont matter that much if they both can get the job in a resionable amount of time.

Well, Yeah, kinda. (1)

Matey-O (518004) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938166)

But can't you also see two teams (one at Apple, the other at Microsoft) thinking:

"We have all these entrenched 3D GPUs...what can we do to take advantage of them?"

It's really hard to say GPU acceleration of the GUI is an Apple only idea. If you get past that, "What snazzy stuff can we DO with said GPU?" is the next logical extension.

Big Deal, get over it. (2, Insightful)

Denver_80203 (570689) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938176)

I can't remember how many linux flavors are trying to look just like ms, run ms software, blaa blaa blaa. You anti ms people need a life.

Come on Kids.... (2, Insightful)

sogoodsofarsowhat (662830) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938179)

Sure MS steals from Apple and vice versa.... So whats the big deal with computers this is already done in the automotive business everyday. If one car maker has a new feature and the public likes it, then all the car makers get the feature. Its that simple. In the end features are driven by the consumers, not the companies. If companies could just keep shipping last years products and make a profit, they would (and some do). So quit with the eternal bitching and moaning regarding whose stealing what innovation. M$ is evil for lots of reasons but this is really not an evil act in and of itself. Windows is, in and of itself.

Why aren't we seeing UI innovation in Linux? (4, Insightful)

Sanity (1431) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938185)

The last Linux UI innovation I can recall is themeability - and I am still not sure whether that was a good thing or a bad thing.

Surely there are adacemic researchers out there probing the frontier of human-computer interaction that could use Linux as the basis for their work? Could it be that X is slowing us down somehow? I mean, think of how much fuss there was over minor and superficial enhancements antialiased fonts and transparent windows. Where are the big ideas?

The Open Source community has demonstrated that it can play catch-up and play it well, but when are we going to see Windows and Apple stealing important UI features from Linux?

No conspiracy here, just competition (1)

michaelggreer (612022) | more than 11 years ago | (#5938186)

MS, Apple, and Linux compete. KDE copies the Windows interface, because it is so well known and successful. MS copies the Apple GUI. Apple copies (literally) BSD and Konq.

Round it goes. Its called competition.

If you fall for any of their propoganda, its your own fault. MS and Apple are hypocritical, but they are corporations people. They are trying to make money off of you.

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