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Linux Desktop Without X11

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the it-could-happen dept.

Linux 547

A writes "Rocklyte systems have announced the first version of their Athene Operating System. It is a desktop and embedded operating system built on the Linux kernel, but without the "aging X11". Instead, it uses the SciTech SNAP graphics system with which it is possible to completely re-theme the desktop to look like the famous AmigaOS GUI or another famous UI. For backwards compatibility, an X11 server is also available in the system. The system can run completely off the CD, without needing to be installed on the harddrive."

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FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5966923)

FP [goatse.cx]

SOUNDS LIKE A WORTHLESS PIECE OF MONKEY SHIT. (-1)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 11 years ago | (#5966926)

THANK YOU FOR THE REVIEW MISTER DVORAK! (0, Offtopic)

Bold Marauder (673130) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967048)

Re:SOUNDS LIKE A WORTHLESS PIECE OF MONKEY SHIT. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967177)

i like goats

similar writeup (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5966933)

I saw a similar write-up today over at tubgirl tech archive [tubgirl.com] .

looks good... (-1)

xtrat (549214) | more than 11 years ago | (#5966936)

lets see if this lights a fire under anyone

Linux without X11... (4, Funny)

Red Warrior (637634) | more than 11 years ago | (#5966937)

Looks a lot like DOS.

Re:Linux without X11... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5966966)

Looks even closer to Unix.

Re:Linux without X11... (0, Offtopic)

ekvin (609320) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967034)

Red Warrior shot the food!

And the .iso mirrors are ? (1, Funny)

JUSTONEMORELATTE (584508) | more than 11 years ago | (#5966938)

Bonus points to the first one to post mirrors of the iso image.

--

Re:And the .iso mirrors are ? (1)

earthloop (449575) | more than 11 years ago | (#5966951)

Kazaa?
eDonkey?

Re:And the .iso mirrors are ? (-1, Flamebait)

Jack Comics (631233) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967145)

There are no .iso mirrors. It is a commerical operating system. The current price is $40.

God, why is it the majority of Linux users are whining thieving babies who want everything for free? Wake up to the real world, where nothing is free. Not sex, not food, not clothing, and most certainly not operating systems. For operating systems, you either spend money, or your spend time, or in most cases a combination of both. But it *does* cost you.

I'm sure this will come across as a troll, but I'm just sick and tired of reading all these whiny little freeloader babies crying whenever something isn't free as in money, and just go steal it anyway.

Re:And the .iso mirrors are ? (3, Insightful)

jdray (645332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967209)

Was anyone whining? Maybe my filter (1+) is set too high, but I didn't hear any whining. In a commonly-open source community, freely downloadable ISOs are, well, common. A fair mistake, I'd say.

Having said that, I agree that the base expectation of things being free is somewhat overused. And, if it's a good implementation (I can't tell a thing, 'cause the site's slashdotted), I wouldn't mind paying $40 for it.

Re:And the .iso mirrors are ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967214)

"... but I'm just sick and tired of reading all these whiny little freeloader babies crying whenever something isn't free as in money, and just go steal it anyway. "

The OP just asked for mirrors, no whining babies involved...

Or did you read something between the lines in that one line post?

You are a troll, I guess that's why you posted the comment.

Re:And the .iso mirrors are ? (3, Funny)

the_consumer (547060) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967215)

from the site:

# Free for Non-Commercial (Home) Use.
# Source Code is Publicly Available.

And I have never paid for sex in my life. You must be one ugly bastard.

Lighten up Francis! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967230)

Lighten up Francis

Microsoft Athens (0, Offtopic)

gspr (602968) | more than 11 years ago | (#5966943)

Hmm... does anybody else see the connection between this and the upcoming MS "Athens" PC? *ponder ponder* Will it be the goddess that Athens relies on?

Re:Microsoft Athens (1)

Per Wigren (5315) | more than 11 years ago | (#5966980)

I tried an alpha of this "OS" for the first time about 3 years ago and it was called Athene/Athena already back then. So no.

Not only can, it does. (obligatory) (5, Funny)

oblom (105) | more than 11 years ago | (#5966947)

The system can run completely off the CD, without needing to be installed on the harddrive."

At least that's what the server seems to be running from.

Re:Not only can, it does. (obligatory) (1)

Gortbusters.org (637314) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967093)

Perhaps someone should have told them they were getting put on /., don't want their CDrom to catch fire ya know

Woooooooooo! (2, Interesting)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 11 years ago | (#5966955)

I wish them luck. I want to have a choice, instead of being forced to use X11 for GUI on *nix :)

Re:Woooooooooo! (1)

Gortbusters.org (637314) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967005)

Choice is always good.. Emacs/VI, Gnome/KDE, X11/???

Re:Woooooooooo! (0)

omegakidd (592638) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967049)

But you don't have to be forced to use X11 at all. You can just have it so it doesn't run when you start up your computer. I never thought that any linux forced the use of X11. X11 is just a neat little add-on. Anyways...

Re:Woooooooooo! (0)

omegakidd (592638) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967084)

No wait. I don't think that I read what you wrote right. woops

If I can't display another Unix box remotely... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967114)

and graphically.

No thanks.
Since I can't get to the site, I don't know - is it networkable?

Re:Woooooooooo! (0, Troll)

MOMOCROME (207697) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967189)

If you had any chops, you'd have figured out how to run NT Explorer on top of the kernel, like I have.

It was trivial, actually. All it took was a thin emulation layer to convert calls to and from. It is really little more than a compiled equivalence script named NTOSKRNL.EXE.so.

The linux kerenl may be top notch, but nobody touches Explorer for windowing. Not even Aqua/OSX.

I guess the only question is whether I should release my stuff...

Re:Woooooooooo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967210)

assuming this isn't a joke, why not?
'course, Explorer is more than just windowing.

However, the final Aqua dig makes me suspect this is a troll.

XFree86 good, not bad (5, Interesting)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967218)

Most people that dislike X don't understand it.

My favorite complaint is that it's bloated or eats too much memory. It's bogus -- X uses relatively little memory itself, but pixmaps are stored in X instead of in apps. So Linux GUI apps tend to use less memory than they would with a Windows-like environment, but X's memory usage go up.

I actually sat down and modified some code to query X how much memory is being used by each program in pixmap memory. This is memory that would have to be used under Windows. Little things -- gkrellm, a simple dock program that I have running, caches about 2.7MB of pixmaps in X all by itself. This doesn't show up as gkrellm memory usage in top, but it *is* being consumed by gkrellm.

X11 allows network transparency, 3d support, hardware scaling of video, support for more font formats than Windows does, zooming in and out. When combined with a window manager, the X11 architecture is incredibly powerful and flexible.

I wish people would stop complaining about and learn to use X's features.

When is X12 coming out? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5966961)

X11 really is ancient.

Re:When is X12 coming out? (1)

Almost_anonymous_cow (671896) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967010)

Maybe they regressed and went to X10.
You know how those things are always looking through windows and it is even marketed as being a security device so even more secure platform if you use one of those things.

X10 is critical technology! (5, Funny)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967067)

I used to just hate when blonde hotties broke into my house and start taking their clothes off!

Thanks to the miracle of X10 security technology, I no longer have to worry about that. THANKS X10!

Re:When is X12 coming out? (1)

inerte (452992) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967018)

Geeks around the world are still expecting XXX :)

Re:When is X12 coming out? (2, Informative)

neurostar (578917) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967110)

Geeks around the world are still expecting XXX :)

nope [thehun.com] , they [autopr0n.com] aren't [thumbzilla.com] .

Re:When is X12 coming out? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967163)

Don't forget Coolio's Babes [flabber.nl] !

Re:When is X12 coming out? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967187)

Perhaps the poster should have added "sense of humor" too.

Re:When is X12 coming out? (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967044)

I would expect that X11+ would come out first followed by X11++.

Re:When is X12 coming out? (4, Funny)

naelurec (552384) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967052)

And then Microsoft will release X11#

Re:When is X12 coming out? (5, Funny)

Soko (17987) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967046)

X12? Geez, I need to pay attention. I was waiting for XIII to be released...

Soko

Re:When is X12 coming out? (4, Funny)

__past__ (542467) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967206)

What, not X100?

Re:When is X12 coming out? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967096)

Dude, X2 just came out. It'll be a while before they reach X12...

Themes schemes (5, Insightful)

vasqzr (619165) | more than 11 years ago | (#5966963)



Instead, it uses the SciTech SNAP graphics system with which it is possible to completely re-theme the desktop to look like the famous AmigaOS GUI or another famous UI.

Right. Because themes are the most important thing, ever. This isn't an media player, it's a GUI.

Re:Themes schemes (1)

digitalsushi (137809) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967045)

If I could re-theme my hardcoded windows GUI, themes would be the most important thing, ever.

Re:Themes schemes (1)

Joe Tie. (567096) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967118)

I have to disagree on the importance of theming. True it's not a media player, but it is something I'm going to be staring at for hours at a time. When it's something I'm spending that amount of time with, I want it to look nice.

Re:Themes schemes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967141)

Ummm... What good is a computer if you can't compute in style? After all computers are becoming status symbols more and more, so we should be VERY concerned about the way an OS looks. MacOS X proves that. Besides, I wouldn't have switched from Windows to Linux if it weren't for the two killer apps: Enlightnment (window manager) and The GIMP. Those two apps alone made it possible for me to wrestle with the command line to get to the point where I could run them. And after running just those two apps, I've discoevered how much more powerful my PC is compared to when it ran Windows. Rethink your positions because it's completely wrong. Sound to me like you lack any sense of style or imagination.

Re:Themes schemes (1)

ocelotbob (173602) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967152)

Actually, the GUI level should be where all theming should be handled, IMO. Let people decide what the look and feel of their desktop is, and let that look and feel be consistent between applications. The problem with media player theming is the fact that most media player designers think that they know better, and they design their own, usually outlandish, ugly themes, and don't provide theme that matches the rest of they system's UI.

Yes, they are important. (5, Interesting)

ethnocidal (606830) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967159)

You seem to connect themes with simple bitmap changes, and the like. I agree that simply offering this functionality is less than important.

However, with 'true' theming, the internal function of the GUI (and OS) is loosely tied with the graphical layout and function of the GUI. What does this means? It means that a single system, properly configured, can handle many different interface styles. You could simultaneously offer transition interfaces to users from different GUI camps - Windows, MacOS, NeXT, etc.

This is an immensely important feature for this reason. While many see theming as eyecandy, properly implemented it can serve a very useful purpose; fit the GUI to the user, not the user to the GUI. It should also allow new interface styles to be prototyped - what better way to develop usability than to look at what people with the skillset to change the interface think works best?

something i always wondered about (5, Interesting)

b17bmbr (608864) | more than 11 years ago | (#5966964)

why is linux so beholden to X? yeah, i love it's network transparent features ( i use in my class every day), but, look at what apple did with essentially a kernel and subsystem. they could port aqua to linux, since it already compiled under gcc anyways. that might be a huge commercial ticket for linux. certainly there is nothing that says you can't run a proprietary windowing system on top of the kernel, is there? app compatibility would be a huge issue, but like apple's X11, it could run rootless, and almost be unnoticable (except for the widgets).

Re:something i always wondered about (4, Insightful)

tuffy (10202) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967029)

why is linux so beholden to X?
Because when Linux was written in the early 90s, most Unix systems were using X11 for a GUI and that's where most of the open sourced apps were. Inventing a whole new graphic system would've been a huge waste of effort. Arguably, it still is. But for embedded systems, an alternative isn't a bad idea.

Re:something i always wondered about (5, Informative)

m0rph3us0 (549631) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967072)

Do you realize that most of X being "slow" is really XFree86 being slow.
In fact some X servers for Linux are FASTER than Windows.

Check out the benchmarks [xig.com]

Re:something i always wondered about (5, Informative)

tuffy (10202) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967144)

Even Xfree86 isn't all that slow - so long as it's got decent drivers to work with. But people tend to load lots of Gnome/KDE stuff to get their machines to look/act more like Windows, then complain that their machines run at Windows-like speeds. But X11 is easy to blame because few understand what it is or what it does; kindof like a "not invented here" syndrome for the open source world.

Re:something i always wondered about (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967186)

I want an xmove that works with modern extensions.

And no, VNC/RDP just ain't the same.

Re:something i always wondered about (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967223)

amen. i have been saying they need to market the desktop seperately for a while now. I would gladly pay for Aqua ontop of Linux for the few desktops I use. Don't need it on the servers, fine.

Sad part is MS's prior experience with unix, they would be marketing "Windows for Linux" before too long. "All the widgets, none of the security!" It would be consistant with 'embrace, extend, extinguish', after all.

Who would *want* Aqua on Linux? (1, Troll)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967232)

Aqua is the most dog-slow, RAM-hungry POS in existence. I've always considered it the biggest *problem* with using OS X, since you can't use OS X without having to have this huge beast bogging down your machine.

Hmm... (0)

Gibble (514795) | more than 11 years ago | (#5966965)

Athene (-n)
n. Greek Mythology
The goddess of wisdom, the practical arts, and warfare, and the protectress of cities, especially Athens. ...but can she protect my inbox from spam?

One comment: (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5966981)

It's ok to emulate something else if your familiar or comfortable with it, but I'd like to see an OS released that allows you to create your UI just how you want it, and not just pretty borders, colors, etc. Stuff like how it handles file structures graphically, selection of tiled, paned, or stretched work panels. Total control over ALL aspects of a GUI!

Re:One comment: (1)

WTFmonkey (652603) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967038)

Riiight. And it'll do all of this instantaneously by reading your brainwaves.

Re:One comment: (1)

Echnin (607099) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967099)

Wow. Now THAT'd be great! :-D

Old sztuff repackaged (5, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 11 years ago | (#5966990)

Hmm, I've been using an embedded linux with a NON X gui for at least 2 years now....

it's called picogui [picogui.org]

Plus you dont have to buy it, and it's much smaller.

Competition... (5, Insightful)

zzxc (635106) | more than 11 years ago | (#5966993)

Competition in open source projects is mostly a good thing. This new GUI may make X11 developers improve to keep up. However, different projects like this also create lack of standards. This may require people to use two GUIs, with different applications running on each one. With Windows, every version retains legacy compatability for almost all applications written for a previous version. However, this becoming popular would make it required to run two GUIs to run all Linux applications. Rather than expecting developers to conform X11 emulation should be implemented.

Re:Competition... (1)

MrBoombasticfantasti (593721) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967112)

Actually, this is just what we don't need!

We already have more than our fair share of incompatibilities. First choose your desktop: KDE or Gnome (or something lighter). After that your apps will use different widget sets: Qt, Tk, Gtk, WxWindows, whatever. There is no common layout for GUI elements anywhere.

And now we would actually replace X11 with something different? I really don't think this will help us get anywhere, it just adds more hassle.

Bomba [Mod me up, or mod me down, but don't just ignore me! ;-)]

Really? (5, Informative)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967124)

With Windows, every version retains legacy compatability for almost all applications written for a previous version.

When Rob Short, the vice-president of Windows Core Technology, was asked [zdnet.co.uk] , "How many applications will transfer over from [Windows] NT4 or 2000 [to Windows Server 2003]?" he answered: "I'm not sure what the exact number is for taking an NT4 application and running it -- it's in the high 60 percent. It's not 90... Most of the time, if the application is following the [security] rules then it will run. But I must admit the rules haven't been well publicised."

Full Windows backward compatibility is a myth.

On alternate graphics layers. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5966994)

Alternate graphics layers have been around for a long time. Some of them have significant advantages over X11.

So far the only one which has really gained prominence is the frame buffer device that most modern Linux distributions use when booting. There is even a port of QT to that, and it is sometimes used as the only graphics device in embedded platforms. It has the great advantage of being really lightweight, but it is probably even slower and much less featureful than X11.

Another one is the Y server, which was used in some PDA's until public outcry over lack of source compatibility forced the manufacturer to put in X11 instead (remember that, Slashdot?). Before that there was also svgalib. I don't think anyone cried over that going away.

The issue is support--there are tons of toolkits and applications available for X11, and the networking features are neat and useful once in a while (very often for some people, including myself). Others start with a base of pretty much nothing. That means that it is really hard for them to gain acceptance, even if they are superior from viewpoints such as being smaller, faster, and easier to program.

I personally think that we are going to be stuck with all the cruft and slowness of X11 for a very long time.

Server Question (1)

rwiedower (572254) | more than 11 years ago | (#5966995)

I hope they're not running their webserver on Athene...because it looks like we already /. it. Anyone know what they're running?

Re:Server Question (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967041)

How do you know that it's the server's OS that is the problem?

Re:Server Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967091)

The site www.rocklyte.com is running Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) FrontPage/5.0.2.2510 on Linux

Re:Server Question (1)

Milo Fungus (232863) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967100)

Try Netcraft [netcraft.com] :

The site www.rocklyte.com is running Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) FrontPage/5.0.2.2510 on Linux.

No telling what flovor of Linux, though...

Don your asbestos suits... (0, Flamebait)

kinnell (607819) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967002)

Let the "X is old and clunky" flamewars begin!

Re:Don your asbestos suits... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967227)

Your mother is old and chunky.

Google cach available (3, Informative)

SlightlyMadman (161529) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967003)

Re:Google cach available (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967070)

Your search - cache:http://www.rocklyte.com/athene/index.html - did not match any documents.

Suggestions:
- Make sure all words are spelled correctly.

- Try different keywords.
- Try more general keywords.
Also, you can try Google Answers [google.com] for expert help with your search.

Looks like a fun toy to play with while I wait (5, Funny)

Bold Marauder (673130) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967012)

for the frame-buffer-based KDE that we've been promised to come out.
...any day now...

X11 alternatives (5, Informative)

Hajoma (161358) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967013)

What's so amazing about not having X11? There are already many alternatives, like PicoGUI [picogui.org] and DirectFB [directfb.org] . PicoGUI in particular seems quite similar to SciTech SNAP, but is free while SNAP is proprietary.

Linux without X11 ?? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967020)

Thats like a pillow without rocks.

Re:Linux without X11 ?? (0, Offtopic)

Almost_anonymous_cow (671896) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967106)

Ah but you see pebbles come from rocks.
Pebbles float.
What else floats?
Geese float.
You get feathers from geese which makes down pillows which are soft so therefor a pillow with a rock in it is just as soft as a down pillow.

I have my doubts.... (3, Insightful)

codeguy007 (179016) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967021)

I have my doubts that quake 3 arena or any other opengl program would run on SNAP. Sure maybe X11 needs to be replaced but 3D support would be a requirement.

Re:I have my doubts.... (1)

RatBastard (949) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967098)

I really doubt that making it work with OpenGL would be a major problem.

Re:I have my doubts.... (1)

codeguy007 (179016) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967203)

SNAP only has 2D support so I doubt any of there video drivers have 3D support so it would be a matter of writing 3D support for all the card they support. This may not be a major problem but is a ton of work.

Re:I have my doubts.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967213)

The window server only creates a framebuffer, then OpenGL draws into it. One has nothing to do with the other.

In this respect X11 has no "3D support" either. It just creates a box and hands it to OpenGL.

And the advantages of running off a cd are???? (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967023)

I really hope that's not really one of their top features.

Re:And the advantages of running off a cd are???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967073)

You'd be a horrible script kiddie. Hint: it's very difficult to write to a non-writeable device.

Cool (0, Redundant)

yanestra (526590) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967054)

Whow, if that means that I can change my window managers, the window skins, and even, whoaa, the screen background, I want to buy it.
That SNAP stuff must be extremely cool software, except for the small disadvantage that it doesn't run everywhere, can't make use of network connections and is compatible only to itself...

Always Wanted This (2, Interesting)

weston (16146) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967081)

The system can run completely off the CD, without needing to be installed on the harddrive

I've always wanted a CD or disk I could carry around and use to turn a public computer temporarily into my own little net workstation ... a terminal app, with telnet/ssh, and modern web browser (modern meaning good support for CSS, Java, and Flash) and maybe something else like VNC. Never found an easy solution, though...

Re:Always Wanted This (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967103)

That's because you are retarded. There are plenty of bootable CD distros of Linux.

Re:Always Wanted This (3, Informative)

yanestra (526590) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967136)

You should try Knoppix www.knoppix.org or it's derivatives.

Re:Always Wanted This (1)

Rura Penthe (154319) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967167)

/. talks about live CD distros every week. Where have you been?

Check out knoppix [knopper.net] or GoboLinux [gobolinux.org] which was just talked about on /. a few days ago.

Re:Always Wanted This (1)

toolbar (125170) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967172)

Then check out Knoppix [knopper.net] . Debian-based distro with KDE 3.1.1, OpenOffice and much more that boots directly from CD, autodetects the hardware in most modern PCs and ... kicks ass. :-)

Re:Always Wanted This (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967174)

Use Knoppix.

http://www.knoppix.de/

Is there a Mac version? (1)

VoyagerRadio (669156) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967104)

Just wondering.

Why would you like that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967231)

Just wondering..

increased security (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967117)

The system can run completely off the CD, without needing to be installed on the harddrive

Isn't this one of the security options suggested in proftpd.org and a few other howto's in most distros?

Something about configuring your system exactly the way you want it then burn it to CD so even physical access to the system won't compromise it.

so even physical access . . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967183)

Like, when they use the physical access to copy the CD to the harddrive, modify it, and then tell the BIOS to boot from the harddrive ?

A major step forward (2, Flamebait)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967125)

X11 is an albatross most of the time. Very few make use of it, it's bloat to everyone else. It's showing its age.

I've long believed it needs to be removed from the nuts-n-bolts for something smaller and faster. Let X11 support be a strap-on application for those who need it, like it is for OSX.

Linux users like strap ons almost as much as Apple fanatics.

Re:A major step forward (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967165)

Fuck off and jump up my ass you turd.

Milestone (2, Insightful)

bigjocker (113512) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967129)

I'm pretty sure that this will set a milestone in the Linux development history.

We have multiple distributions (SUSE, RH, MDK), multiple WM (Gnome, KDE, E), multiple Office Suites (KOffice, OpenOffice, AbiWord), imaging software, network tools ... even multiple kernels where to choose from, but we are stuck with only one graphical environment.

I know there has been a lot of advancemente in the FB handling, but officially, if you want to have some windows you need X.

Personally, I love X, but I for one can see (and have seen a lot of) people complaining about X; and from efforts like this one only good things can happen.

Fuck that, just give me (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967133)

Windows desktop without X10.

Virus Proof? (2, Funny)

Rick.C (626083) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967139)

OK, the pool starts... now!

How long before someone writes a successful virus for the runs-from-CD implementation?

Never say "never"

famous AmigaOS GUI? (0, Troll)

sloth jr (88200) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967153)

Newsflash, Amigans:

The AmigaOS GUI sucked ass and prevented people from buying a technically cool machine. Give your platform its due credit, but don't pimp the GUI as one of its strong points, because it wasn't, ever, not in any incarnation.

Archive of Screenshots (4, Informative)

jacobb (93907) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967176)

AmigaOS [tinyurl.com] , WinTel [tinyurl.com] , and More [tinyurl.com] Screenshots, all thanks to The Internet Archive [archive.org]

not the best chipset support... (yet) (1)

smeenz (652345) | more than 11 years ago | (#5967212)

No nvidia or SiS chipset support [scitechsoft.com] yet

KDE for framebuffer (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5967216)

Would it not be possible to port KDE to QT/Embedded so that you could run KDE in the framebuffer without X11 at all? There would be a lot of work to do, but the toolkit which KDE is based on already works in the framebuffer.
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