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Matrix Reloads to $42.5 Million Opening

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the not-even-breaking-even-yet dept.

The Matrix 815

Dante Alighieri writes "Box Office Mojo, the Washington Post, E!, and others reports that The Matrix Reloaded opened with a record of $42.5 million in ticket sales." I saw it yesterday and have a variety of opinions on it, but the short review is that it isn't the original, but it's pretty damn cool, and I'm first in line for Revolution.

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Hmmmm (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5980915)

I wonder how well dog food is selling these days...

TRINITY DIES!!! OMFG! :( (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5981088)

See what happens... (5, Funny)

Judg3 (88435) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980918)

When you have a somewhat accurate portrayal of hacking [securityfocus.com] in movies?

heheh

Coincidence? Yeah, probably.

This post... TO BE CONCLUDED

Re:See what happens... (4, Informative)

AVee (557523) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980965)

Make sure to take a look at the images here [insecure.org] when reading that article...

Re:See what happens... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5981009)

Thanks for that link! i was looking all over for pics (but maybe not very hard)

Re:See what happens... (1)

Zirnike (640152) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981073)

Why would a site called 'Security Focus' ask for cookies?

Problem in the article: First, the movie is probably set 700 years or so in the future. (based on the conversation at the end of the movie with the guy with the white beard... close as I can get w/out spoilers). Not ACE 2199. Or alternatly, the movie is set in early 21st century (the Matrix's 'present'.

Other than that, it's nice to see a hacking sequence that doesn't make me cringe, and it's nice to see it noticed. Maybe that way, more movies will do it that way.

So what you are saying... (5, Funny)

Snaller (147050) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981078)

...is that the evil computers are running Unix?! :)

It sucked (1, Interesting)

DaLiNKz (557579) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980919)

They messed up everything. They fecked up the story line. Sure, it was cool to see them kick ass all the time, but if you remember the first movie, it was nothing like this one.. I hope the third one can make up for the loss i felt from this one.

What do you MEAN 'it was nothing like this one'?!? (2, Interesting)

Bold Marauder (673130) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981006)

Both movies were highly stylized action films which relied on mysticism and special effects to cover up what they really are.

I mean, wether you agree that it's profound or not (I never understood that one), you can't argue with the fact that The Matrix was a pretty, but pretty mediocre genre film.

Enjoyable, sure; but take it for what it is, and stop trying to read crap into it which isn't there!

Re:It sucked (3, Funny)

irokitt (663593) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981020)

True, it wasn't much like the first one....But is that so bad? Wasn't it still a good movie?
Besides, it has to be a hacker movie, because the Wachowski bros. don't know a sex scene from their asses!

Re:It sucked (1)

DaLiNKz (557579) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981037)

lol, but that was just it, they werent really into the 'hacker' thing this time, which was a shame..

was funny to see them in ssh though.

Re:It sucked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5981051)

They should report the number of viewers attending on opening night, not the money earned. It might show a more accurate view of how popular it was.

action uber alles (5, Interesting)

Rubel (121009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980922)

I thought that the first Matrix movie did two things well...1) had great, fantastical action sequences, and 2) messed with Neo's head and thus our heads.

it sounds like they decided to drop the latter and concentrate on the former. too bad, but maybe they are just doing what they are good at.

I found
[pvponline.com]
Scott Kurtz's review very interesting.

Re:action uber alles (4, Interesting)

BorgDrone (64343) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980955)


2) messed with Neo's head and thus our heads.

it sounds like they decided to drop the latter and concentrate on the former. too bad, but maybe they are just doing what they are good at.


Imho 'Reloaded' did more head-messing than the first movie.

Re:action uber alles (1)

irokitt (663593) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981089)

Head-Messing:
To be concluded... Head-messing we could have done without.

messing with head? -- SPOILER ALERT (4, Interesting)

lpret (570480) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981027)

Ok, spoiler alert, stop reading if you don't want to know...

Hmm, you didn't think that the whole architect guy mentioning several other "saviours" wasn't messing with Neo? Or the Oracle for that matter? This issue of choice messed with him, just as much as the issue of reality messed with him in the first one.
Now, I was seriously messed with right when he was given choices, but I was also messed with later when I contemplated what is being said: "You're not here to make a choice, you've already made it, you're here to find out why you made that choice." Wow. So life isn't making choices, but discovering who we are and why we do what we do. Maybe you don't agree with it, but it is something to think about, and to, in your terms, "mess with our heads."

Re:messing with head? -- SPOILER ALERT (5, Interesting)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981091)

I think the problem is that the first hour of the movie has none of the questioning. Neo isn't really challenged on that level. In the first movie, almost every single scene presented some new piece of information. In this one, there's a lot of running around and fighting, and in between those scenes, it's people talking about doing it. Either that, or we're treated to overly long rave scenes and overly long exposition about "cause and effect."

The last half is when things got cool and felt like a sequel to the first one.

Granted, much of these structure problems may make more sense when Revolutions is released, since they were treated as one big movie split in two. The movie was good, but I missed the goth-noir feel of the first one, and I missed the real sense of danger. Only near the end did I feel that.

Re:action uber alles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5981042)

"it sounds like", well, you definitely did not see the movie, for there's plenty of screwing with the mind in it. Most of the characters from the first movie undergo some change, not to talk about the speech of the Architect and the Oracle's revelations.

in case of slashdotting (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5980926)

HOLLYWOOD (Box Office Mojo) - Warner Bros. programmed the highest screen count ever for The Matrix Reloaded, and the box office reality lived up to the hype on opening day.

The hotly anticipated middle movie of the Wachowski Bros.' cyber-epic raked in an incredible $42,508,303 at 3,603 theaters on Thursday, storming past the $30,141,471 that Attack of the Clones posted on this same day last year as the biggest weekday gross ever. That raw number also stands as the highest opening day ever, ahead of Spider-Man's $39,406,872.

However, there's an asterisk next to that record as Reloaded's Wednesday night previews were folded into the Thursday gross. Subtract those and Reloaded's true Thursday would probably come in at a still phenomenal $38 million. Spidey's $43,622,264 Saturday still stands as biggest single day gross ever.

Reloaded grabbed an estimated $5 million from its Wednesday 10 p.m. showings at 2,750 theaters, according to the studio's executive VP and general sales manager of domestic distribution Jeff Goldstein. "For a strictly 10 p.m. show, that's a record," Goldstein noted, but he cautioned that an exact number was not available. "As any studio will tell you, it's difficult to say for sure what a movie like this did at 10 p.m. as some theaters report it and some don't."

The 10 p.m. preview record had stood unchallenged for 10 years after Jurassic Park devoured it with $3,132,632 from 1,432 theaters back in 1993. It went on to set the then opening weekend record with a $47,026,828 haul at 2,404 venues.

Spider-Man's $114,844,116 weekend record will likely remain intact, in part because Reloaded burnt off some of its demand with its Thursday bow. However, it should beat Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone's $90,294,621 for the No. 2 spot, and could top $100 million. That would bring its four-day haul to around $140 million. In comparison, Spider-Man snared $125,878,901 in its first four days (Friday-to-Monday).

Warner Bros. unleashed Reloaded on a record 8,517 screens, inching past previous champ and studio stablemate Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets's 8,515 tally. That 8,517 count is strictly prints that the studio sent out and does not include any interlocking that theaters might have done, i.e., using one print to show the movie in two auditoriums. The 3,603-theater count, though, was well shy of X2: X-Men United's 3,741 opening record, which grabbed $31,247,979 on its first day.

Looking at the first movie's gross alone could not have portended such a spectacular showing for Reloaded. The Matrix mustered $4,803,310 at 2,704 sites on its Wednesday bow, March 31, 1999. That led to a $27,788,331 weekend at 2,849 theaters en route to $171,479,930. Those were enormous numbers, but not in the rarefied uber-blockbuster air of a Star Wars or Lord of the Rings. But in those four years, The Matrix fanbase multiplied and became more devout on home video and television. The DVD was the first to sell a million copies and is estimated at having sold over 5 million so far, generating around $100 million in revenue. The under-$100,000 The Matrix Revisited DVD documentary is estimated to have added another $20 million to the franchise's coffers. More importantly, The Matrix became a cultural phenomenon well beyond its grosses, it's bullet-time fight scenes mimicked and spoofed in many movies since.

Reloaded and the third installment The Matrix Revolutions were made simultaneously and will be released six months apart (the latter due Nov. 5). Though a specific accounting of what was spent on each movie is unavailable, the combined production cost came in at $300 million (about the same as the three Lord of the Rings movies), far beyond the $63 million spent to make the first movie. Throw in the lofty $100 million being spent on marketing, and that's a $400 million investment in two sequels to a movie that grossed $458 million worldwide ($286.5 million of that overseas).

Perhaps emboldened by the success of The Lord of the Rings's staggered release, Warner Bros. copied the strategy employed for the simultaneously shot second and third Back to the Future movies, Part II of which came out four years after Part I just like The Matrix. If history repeats itself, audience reaction to Reloaded will be crucial to Revolutions's success. Back to the Future Part II got mixed word-of-mouth and wound up with $118,450,002 despite a then record-breaking $43,016,225 five-day Thanksgiving berth. Even though Part III had a generally more positive reaction, the damage was done, slashdot sucks and it lassoed $87,727,583 by the end of its run, or 74% of Part II's tally.

anyone else think... (4, Insightful)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980931)

that a ceratin scene in zion where lots of skin is shown along with partying was completely uncessary and detrcted form the theme of the movie?

Re:anyone else think... (1, Interesting)

Istealmymusic (573079) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980949)

No.

Re:anyone else think... (5, Interesting)

RebelWebmaster (628941) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980969)

I didn't think that the scene itself detracted (highlighting some of the things that make us human), but the length I thought got out of hand. Good idea, but WAY too long.

Re:anyone else think... (5, Insightful)

ChrisTower (122297) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980985)

Everyone is complaining about the celebration scene in Zion. There is of course a very good reason for that scene to be there. They are celebrating real life; the taste and smell of sweat, a real body pressing up against you, the feeling of stone on bare feet. It's real and they love it and embrace every moment of their real life. It's a good thing that message wasn't a little more transparent, they everyone would have been bitching about how obvious everything in the movie is.

Re:anyone else think... (1)

Have Blue (616) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981054)

I agree completely. Except that everyone got the message within 15 seconds, then just got bored (the sequence is also quite repetitive). By the end of the scene, lots of people in my theater (including me) were groaning and laughing, and that's not good at 10 minutes into the most anticipated action movie of the year.

Re:anyone else think... (4, Interesting)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981106)

Many got that point. That point would have been more clear if the scene was shorter. However, it kept going and going, and titties kept showing up. It went from conveying the message you described to simply being an excuse to show skin.

That, and the matrix vision cum shot, were the two most bizarre things. I could never imagine either of them being in the first movie. Heck, throw in Morpheus' speech. I squirmed when the camera zoomed around as he talked about "shaking this cave of earth and steel." Cheesy.

Re:anyone else think... (1)

mikedaisey (413058) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981112)


Too bad that they didn't film it better, so it didn't look like a bad rave mixed with leftover Planet of the Apes set knockoffs.

Re:anyone else think... (2, Informative)

Cyph (240321) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981004)

Yes, I think that was the most pointless scene in the movie, and from what I've read on various news sites since the release, a lot of people share the same opinion.

Re:anyone else think... (1)

Loki_1929 (550940) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981018)

I don't think it was completely unnecessary, but I do think it was pretty dragged out. It would have been just as informative and not nearly as annoying had it been half as long. There's only but so much stomping and jumping around necessary to send the point across, and the "skin" portions were drawn out in such a way to tease the male audience. I don't think it should have been removed, simply edited a bit better.

Re:anyone else think... (1)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981045)

and the "skin" portions were drawn out in such a way to tease the male audience.

Not just men. I talk to plenty of women who enjoyed the nude Keanu Reeves.

Re:anyone else think... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5981025)

(slight almost spoiler, don't read if you don't want to know) ... ... ...
(still with us, good)

Detracted? I don't get the complaints about that scene, complaining about it makes no sense. Prettty much ALL of Neo's motivation in this flick was Trinity. This scene is a further elaboration on WHY he is so motivated in that way. Not only that, but it was actually done TASTEFULLY.... No grunting and groaning and nastiness, it made the point WITHOUT doing anything unnecessary. Trust me, if I were to complain about ANYTHING in that scene, it wouldn't be if the scene had a purpose there, it would be more that I had to see Keanu's ass, but hey, thats just me (it was fanservice for the female geeks out there I suppose).

anyway - I'm too lazy to log in, so please forgive the AC post

dag _at_ daggerdesign.com

Re:anyone else think... (4, Interesting)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981026)

That part felt half-baked.

I think I got the reasoning behind the big dance, but the directors didn't explain it well enough, so it came off seeming like "let's put in a rave scene to attract the younger kids".

If you had a bunch of humans who just came out of a big, cold evil machine; I could easily see a religion forming around celebrating your human nature: Machines are cold, logical and without feeling. You've been living a lie your whole life, but you are free today. You are a animal, and have all these wonderful carnal instincts so live it up and celebrate your basic nature now!

You might be dead in 72 hours, so give in to the moment and get dirty and sweaty and go make out with your neighbor.

Re:anyone else think... (1)

irokitt (663593) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981032)

FUCK Yeah!

Gnostic reference.. (1)

beldraen (94534) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981041)

WARNING: Plot Spoiler
WARNING: Plot Spoiler
WARNING: Plot Spoiler

It's the gnostic appreciation of life and the senses. I found it moving, sensual and erotic. Notice that the machines were willing to even make bombs that are machines. And, when Neo finally finds the machine he has to talk to, everything is just about aborations in the system. It cannot make the jump to the idea that perhaps there is something beyond logic and fact, an appreciation for life is one of t(R7

Re:anyone else think... (2)

deaddrunk (443038) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981043)

It's Hollywood. Releasing a film without people screwing in it is anathema to them.

Re:anyone else think... (2, Insightful)

Gojira Shipi-Taro (465802) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981044)

I think the protrayal of raw physical existance was a good element for the story, but I also think the scene went too damned long.

Re:anyone else think... *SPOILER* (2, Insightful)

mESSDan (302670) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981109)

***SPOILER****

Taking into consideration, it makes the death of all of those people at the end more real.

It is much easier to forget about the deaths of those you have never seen. This helps to lend credence to the fact that the number of dead was quite staggering.

Re:anyone else think... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5981114)

Yes I think they should have shortened the erotic dance so that the philosphical mumbo could have been lengthened with a touch of more cars flipping over.

Re:anyone else think... (1)

iq in binary (305246) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981116)

I think it was not only necessary, but added to the spirit of the movie.

The movie isn't about philosophy or hacking, martial arts or firearm savvy. It's about man overcoming. It's about the unknown regions of human behavior. That scene not only accentuated that, it beautified the entire notion.

For once, try thinking of a wanton show of human skin to be an example of the beauty in human behavior. It may help your thinking in many walks of life.

second post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5980932)

FUCK

Lord of the Rings.... (1, Redundant)

johnmearns (561064) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980936)

I think the final lord of the rings movie may still have the most earnings potential though and put the matrix back down. I think I'll go see reloaded this afternoon

Re:Lord of the Rings.... (1)

krelian (525362) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980995)

I don't think that's accurate. People have been waiting for the Matrix sequel around 4 years they will only wait 1 year for the next LoTR movie.

Besides, most people know how LoTR will end ,most of them don't have a clue about the matrix.

Re:Lord of the Rings.... (1)

irokitt (663593) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981071)

The Year of geeky movies:
  • X-Men II for the comic book geeks.
  • The Matrix: Reloaded for our own geek ethic.
  • Lord of the Rings: Return of the King for all the other freaks
Nice to see Hollywood recognizes a demographic that doesn't include preteens with lunch money.

Re:Lord of the Rings.... (1)

soapvox (573037) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981117)

Don't forget the hulk and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

really... (2, Interesting)

fjordboy (169716) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980937)

Do they count in the Wednesday showings in their "opening day" amount? I know a lot of theater chains had showings Wednesday night at 10 pm...I know that's when I went...in a Regal (formerly UA) theater...sticky floors, popcorn everywhere...but it was about an hour closer than any other theater. If any Williamsport politicians are reading this: a new theater somewhere in town would be nice!

Re:really... (3, Informative)

fjordboy (169716) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980961)

Ah, yes it does. I skipped over the first part of the article I guess.

However, there's an asterisk next to that record as Reloaded's Wednesday night previews were folded into the Thursday gross. Subtract those and Reloaded's true Thursday would probably come in at a still phenomenal $38 million.


Wednesday *was* counted...

Re:really... (1)

feldy (71897) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980990)

Yes, they do include include the Wednesday night preview showings in the "opening day" tally, although this is standard fare for movies that offer sneak previews. Also, all the preview showings on Wednesday started at 10pm, 10:15, 10:30pm, etc., so that the movie would run past 12am and into Thursday.

Re:really... (1)

Mard (614649) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980997)

Yes, actually:

"The $42.5 million figure includes a series of late-night previews on Wednesday. Counting preview figures with first-day totals has become standard practice in the industry."

(from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A645 32-2003May16.html)

Re:really... (1)

haedesch (247543) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981001)

yes they do. You would have known that, if you read the article

Re:really... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5981029)

and had you read the replies to my comment, you'd realize that I knew this already; that you're being redundant; and that I did read the article.

Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5980938)

Since it is all wierd stuff, who cares? Special effects are nice, when not taken to be the whole movie. Doh!

blah (5, Insightful)

drizuid (444751) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980939)

I loved the movie right up until the end. i can't say more without spoiling so, go see it, and you'll understand.

Re:blah (5, Funny)

soulsteal (104635) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980978)

Spoil it?

Everyone knows that Agent Smith is Neo's father and that Trinity is his long-lost twin sister.

I can't wait for Revenge of the^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HMatrix Revolutions.

Re:blah (1)

ahaning (108463) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980982)

Don't worry. If you can believe the trolls around here, she'll be back. (No, I haven't seen it.)

On to the 3rd movie (2, Interesting)

Dugsmyname (451987) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980941)

I think it will be a very interesting winter, with Revolutions and Return of the King pretty close to each other. I wonder who will get the biggest box office returns for the last part in each of the trilogies.

Re:On to the 3rd movie (1)

Little Grey (571460) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980958)

Actually, the final LOTR movie has been pushed back to May 2004 to finish some of the visual effects. Revolutions will still kick ass though.

Re:On to the 3rd movie (1)

numark (577503) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981005)

Looks like someone fell for TheOneRing.net's April Fool's joke. The movie's still coming out in December as previously planned.

Re:On to the 3rd movie (1)

Limburgher (523006) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980970)

Should be about equal contributions to each from the /. crowd, from what I can tell. I can't imagine not going to both.

I personally thought the movie kicked ASS (1)

Little Grey (571460) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980942)

I go to the movies in the hopes that that film will take me away for 2 hours. Reloaded did that, and then some. I thought it was totally amazing and I loved it. It's all about suspending your disbelief, which seems to be harder and harder for some people in our jaded and cynical society.

fiznirst piznost (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5980944)

eat it you assholes

OSS Use in Matrix Reloaded. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5980947)

Any info on further use of OSS in the production? What was used for creating the effects, audio, backdrops etc. I can only assume Film Gimp would have to have been used, but knowing the rest of the effect software would be good advocacy!

Re:OSS Use in Matrix Reloaded. (1)

questamor (653018) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981022)

can only assume Film Gimp would have to have been used, but knowing the rest of the effect software would be good advocacy!

ssh was used! :)

There's a new Matrix movie? (5, Funny)

sandbagger (654585) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980948)

First I've heard of it.

Is this supposed to be surprising? (1)

funkmastermike (264946) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980952)

The Matrix was good.
Sequel is then announced.
Sequel is in theatres and people see it.

Hardly surprising it would rake in the dough given all the hype. The Matrix is simply a good movie [trilogy(?)]. Hard to say that about most of the filler that comes out.

I got robbed! [minor spoilers] (2, Funny)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980953)

[minor spoilers]

I saw Matrix last night, but it seems that the silly folks at the theater lost the last 5-15 minutes of the movie!

One second, we were watching Neo and the other dude on the table, and then all of a sudden the movie abruptly said "To be continued", and went straight switched to the credits!

Where's the conclusion? I'm out here hanging in the wind! Half the audience was booing...

Argggg!

[/minor spoilers , but I think it's fair to warn people about the ending to this movie so they're not dissapointed]

Re:I got robbed! [minor spoilers] (1)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981066)

That seems to be a trend in certain part-of-a-series movies lately... Many filmmakers seemingly fail to understand that the middle movie needs to stand on it's own -- maybe this comes from treating the whole as a single big money-making enterprise rather than as making *movies*.

A good counterexample is Empire Strikes Back. Sure, it set up Jedi, but it definately had an ending (which, IMO, stands as one of the all-time great endings in movie history). It's too bad more films don't follow that paradigm.

Re:I got robbed! [minor spoilers] (2, Insightful)

kfx (603703) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981080)

One second, we were watching Neo and the other dude on the table, and then all of a sudden the movie abruptly said "To be continued", and went straight switched to the credits!

Where's the conclusion? I'm out here hanging in the wind! Half the audience was booing...


** WARNING! SPOILERS! WARNING! SPOILERS! **

That's known as a "blatant cliffhanger"... and I have to agree it really sucks that they do that, any movie should wrap things up and start a new part of the plot in the next movie, instead of just cutting it off in the middle like that.

Overall I thought that the movie was really slow to get started... Some of the scenes seemed really drawn out and nothing important really happened. Then, when it was starting to get really good with some plot twists, it was suddenly over.

And for the record, it said "To be concluded."

Re:I got robbed! [minor spoilers] (1)

Babbster (107076) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981101)

This argument against the movie I just can't understand. Anyone exposed to the entertainment media (meaning just about everyone, and certainly people going opening weekend) knows that the third movie is coming out by the end of this year so a cliffhanger was inevitable...It's like booing the ending of Fellowship of the Ring.

Matrix Reloads and Dry Fires. (5, Insightful)

methangel (191461) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980959)

I don't know about everyone else but, Reloaded basically told everyone that the first movie was bullshit.

I was disappointed with the villain development (there wasn't any.)Some of the fight scenes were totally unecessary, especially the replication scene. Neo just supermans his ass out of there after exploiting all of the latest filming techniques.

Revolutions better fix things up or I'm going to be a very sad panda.

Re:Matrix Reloads and Dry Fires. (1)

DaLiNKz (557579) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981062)

Totally agree, it just didnt 'do it' for me like the first one did.

I saw it last night, (1)

Jester998 (156179) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980967)

and thought it was freaking *awesome*.

I didn't find that there was a whole lot of plot development, but what was there was interesting and definitely ties in with the original. The action sequences were just phenomenal, and the soundtrack is freaking awesome. I'd definitely see it again, and I'm definitely waiting for Revolution.

Neither script, nor plot required (1)

ishmalius (153450) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980976)

I guess this proves the theory that if you trowel on enough glitz, you don't need quality.

The original had a surprisingly good story line, which overcame the cheesy Kung-Fu. That seems to have evaporated.

Now it's just going through the motions, punching the ticket.

Well, I have not yet spent my $10 (1)

esconsult1 (203878) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980977)

Here in New York, its almost impossible to go see the movie. Everything's usually sold out, and then on the trains, schoolchildren are spoiling the plot (what plot?) for you, since they just saw it.

I guess I'm gonna go see it eventually, perhaps tomorrow morning at 10am or something when all the geeks are still in bed.

My opinion, not that it matters much (2, Interesting)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980983)

I saw the movie last night. My opinion is definitely mixed. The action, was non-stop and outrageous (good), once it got really going. The plot was garbled. The Mind trips were wild. The sex scene, boring uninspired and looking like a hack for 14yo boys. The special effects some better than most(Computer Animation sucked and was OBVIOUS). The ending, uninspired, and transperent. The trailer following the credits, gives away the next movie, and the sucky ending to this one.

Overall rating (scale 1-10) 7.15

This is just MY view, you are entitled to yours. This one is mine.

movie was good, cept beginning (1)

dextr0us (565556) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980984)

In the beginning i thought it was pretty lame, but by the end (plus the SSHing) i thought it was awesome.

SSH (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5980987)

Top geek/hacker moment:

Trinity uses SSH!!!!!

SELECT 'people' FROM 'line' (-1)

MySQL Troll (651354) | more than 11 years ago | (#5980991)

"and I'm first in line for Revolution."

Wrong. The fat kid next to me said he was going to start waiting in line that night.

My opinion.. (5, Insightful)

beldraen (94534) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981002)

I just wanted to weigh in on this movie on a few points that I have seen brough up elsewhere. First, the hype over the CG is not as good as they said, in some places. I heard that I was not going to be able to notice any CG, and in many places I'm not sure how they could have done it without it and it looked great. However, in several places they still just do not have the resolution nor physics quite down right. I think the bullet-time was used in a few places that just did not need it. Overall, I was still very impressed with the imagery. Second, overt plot was good and if you think that there isn't going to be a plot twist (just like _The_Matrix_), you'll be suprised. Amusingly enough, while it is a cliff hanger movie, it didn't end where I expected to end. I honestly thought that it would have probably be better to end the movie a little earlier. Frankly though, it cries out to be completed, just like the Lord of the Rings movies. Finally, I feel sorry for a lot of people who thought it was dry. If one has a background in some theology and philosophy, all of the character cry out certain positions: faith, naturalism, determinism, free-will, gnosticism, body/mind problem, etc. I was very, very impressed with the depth of the references in the movie. Unfortunately, I think that is going to be missed on the vast majority of the movie watchers.

My two cents,

Bah! (5, Insightful)

eatenn (572604) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981003)

I didn't like Reloaded very much at all.

Not trying to troll here, but the problem with it, IMO, is that the Wachowskis (who wrote and directed it) received so much praise for the first Matrix movie, that they were under the impression the whole world wanted to hear them babble on and on about it.

Characters will talk for what seems like hours and never actually say anything. In the first movie, the language was simple (Morpheus holds up a battery and proclaims that the machines: "Turn humans... into this."), and you just had to wrap your head around the concepts. In RELOADED, you have to wade through all the tech talk before you can even start to understand what you're being told... by then it's time for the next scene already.

Also a problem was the overabundance of subplots (Agent Smith, the Morpheus love-triangle, the operator of the Nebachadneza(sp?) and his wife, etc) that they're all underdeveloped and hard to care about.

Great action though. The Wachowskis obviously care about developing their mythology quite a bit, and that's commendable (and for some, this will demand repeated viewing), but they just need to make it a little more accessible IMO.

Re:Bah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5981083)

Wow, that movie was incredible...

Any intelligent person can keep up with the dialogue, and the action scenes were beyond words. That hokey love scene, though, had to be the biggest waste of my time. It's terrible and adds nothing to the plot - If you have to go to the bathroom, this is a good 7 minutes for it. The whole "Jedi Counsel" thing was awkward as well. However, the next hour or so of pure action, thought provoking dialoge, and intreging sub-plots more than makes up for it, and I highly reccomend this movie to anyone.

The Matrix (1)

ChesireKat (601712) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981030)

I thought it was pretty awesome, the love scenes weren't necessarily needed, but hey, i'm not complaining. 8) The special effects kicked ass. The analogies made in the movies definately sit back and make you say "whoa". Most of them were true to life. Without spoiling the movie, make sure you listen to the analogies made in the movie, especially the ones to programming. Its really a geeks movie if i ever saw one. goes right up there (on a different shelf- but still a classic like..) monty python. Absolutely. :)

'Matrix' Geeks acting badly (5, Interesting)

Bold Marauder (673130) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981034)

Hissing 'Matrix' fans reloaded w/ tickets, popcorn [azcentral.com]
Stephanie Paterik
The Arizona Republic
May. 16, 2003 02:10 PM

Hard-core Matrix Reloaded fans threw popcorn, pounded on the projection room window and ran screaming from the theater when a projector broke during a first-night showing in Chandler.

Hundreds of people waited hours at Harkins Chandler Fashion Center to see the highly anticipated Matrix sequel at 11 p.m. on opening night Wednesday. A projector lamp broke during the heavily advertised freeway chase scene.

"The movie was ruined," said Ward Andrews, 28, of Chandler. "You're excited, you're tense and then you don't get to see the key sequence in the film."

The audio continued to roll but was drowned out by people yelling and shaking their seats. One man climbed on someone's shoulders to pound on the projection room window, said Aubrey Johnson, 22, of Chandler, who waited five hours to see the show.

The problem was fixed in 10 minutes, but it was impossible to rewind and show the missed two minutes, said Harkins' Jackie Faubus. People who left were given two movie passes each. Those who stayed got coupons for free popcorn.

Philosophy 101 (1)

Traa (158207) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981035)

I liked the movie. Some cool action sequences combined with mellow moody scenes and, like the first movie, an abundance of philosophical topics. Sure, if you know anything about philosophy then you realize that the topics touched upon in the Matrix are hardly groundbreaking. "free choice", "fate", "alternate realities", "Artificial Inteligence", "AI Singularity concequences", etc. All these topics are good for the mind (free the mind imho) but are rarely presented in an accessable way to Joe Average. I have had more semi-philosopical discussions with friends about the Matrix then about any other recent box office success.

Bring it on Washowski brothers! We want more!

Lets all shut the fuck up about The Matrix. Mmkay? (-1, Flamebait)

Bowie J. Poag (16898) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981039)


The first step on your way to shutting the fuck up about The Matrix is to realize that no one cares. Really. Nobody. And i'll tell you why. Whenever a movie is made, that movie is screened by groups of people chosen by the studio to reflect different social demographics. These "test audiences" tell the studios whether or not the movie sucks ass, and why. Usually, this results in a few editing changes, some scenes get cut, and most importantly, the marketing people get warning flags.

The second step is to realize how the marketing strategy decided. Depending on how a movie does in screening, the marketing department will correspondibly throttle the amount of money they spend on promoting it. Literally, it's an inverse function -- The more a movie sucks, the more it's promoted. When was the last time you saw "In The Bedroom" cereal, or "Slingblade" toys at McDonalds? You need to understand that the studios aren't stupid. They know ahead of time that if a movie comes back from screening with a great review, that word of mouth alone will sell the movie. If the test audiences say a big-budget movie sucks ass, however, the marketing department will go into high gear and cram the goddamn movie down the everyone's throat with endless product endorsements and tie-ins designed to help recoup costs. The studios know that for every dollar they spend on promoting a film, X number of people (who otherwise wouldn't) will spend $8 to go see it.

For example, lets say you, the studio, just spent $500M on a film, and the test audiences say it sucks ass. You know ahead of time roughly how many people will go see the damn thing regardless of how terrible it is. If you don't market it at all, you stand to lose potentially hundreds of millions of dollars. If you market it at a normal level, you'll still lose money at the box office, just not as bad. But If you spend ENORMOUS shitloads of money promoting it, knowing that every $1 in advertising generates $1.10 in box office proceeds, you can recoup the costs of your shitty film. Problem solved.

It's generally a a hard and fast rule. The more ass a movie sucks, the more hype it recieves, the more product tie-ins are made, and the more media time the studios buy to promote the damn thing. And predictably, stooges like you fall for it every time. The intelligent among us see it coming. In the case of Matrix Reloaded, the hype machine was up and running a full three months before the release date. And sure enough, the reviews of it (from regular Joe's like you and I, not ass-kiss film critics) have been correspondingly terrible. Have a look at any site that allows regular people like you and I to rate the movies that are currently in theatres. Last I saw, Matrix Reloaded averaged about 2.5 out of 5 stars.

So, for everyone's sake, including yours.....

Please shut the fuck up about the Matrix. Mmkay?

Thanks.

Re:Lets all shut the fuck up about The Matrix. Mmk (-1, Redundant)

SugarKing (315423) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981058)

From the sound of your comment it seems as though you haven't even seen the movie. Until then, YOU need to shut the fuck up.

Re:Lets all shut the fuck up about The Matrix. Mmk (0, Redundant)

maskedavenger (674027) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981072)

I think you're trying to hinder everyone's right to opinion. Just because you want to sound smart and pound jargin into our heads like we're drones milling around having anonymous sex doesn't mean you're some savior to show us the light. Let us talk, you don't have to listen.

In The Bedroom == One Terrible Movie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5981074)

Re:Lets all shut the fuck up about The Matrix. Mmk (0, Offtopic)

kamapuaa (555446) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981108)

I don't think it's quite that simple. Sure "Matrix 2" sucks, but was so heavily promoted that people (including me, and I don't even watch TV) flock to see it. But "Adventures of Pluto Nash" supposedly was a lot worse, and that movie was hardly promoted at all.

On the opposite side, "Spider Man" was pretty good, that got promoted like a mother.

As far as the business goes, it seems like word of mouth type movies sometimes get popular, but often-times don't. It took an Oscar for "Spirited Away" to get big.

Record Sales Days (2, Informative)

hirebrand (543514) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981046)

5/4/2002 Spider-Man $43,622,264

5/15/2003 The Matrix Reloaded $42,508,303

5/3/2002 Spider-Man $39,406,872

11/16/2002 Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets $34,213,803

11/17/2001 Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone $33,512,941

11/16/2001 Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone $32,333,203

5/3/2003 X2: X-Men United $32,000,629

www.the-numbers.com [the-numbers.com]

what to expect/not to expect out of any movie (2, Interesting)

maskedavenger (674027) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981050)

I think some people went to this movie thinking it would make them realize much more out of life than is expected, much like the first. But if you read any modern philosophy (Berkeley, Hume, Kant, etc) you would already have answered the questions the first movie brought up. Now in reloaded the Wachowski brothers just surfaced more of the same philosophers original works. Causality, purpose, yada yada, that was all dealt with in the new movie; in the first it was epistemology.

I went into this movie only for the action shots. On the other hand I did enjoy the brief breaks like the "rave". Coulda done without so much of Reeve's skin and a little more of Moss's, which I've dubbed Trinititty :)

Anyways, goto the movie only expecting awsome effects. The philosophy's still there but much more subtle. Being that Revolutions was filmed at the same time I doubt it will be any different than this one.

On a side note, Enter the Matrix looks like a fun game. I'll rent before buying it.

I thought... (2, Interesting)

Wampus Aurelius (627669) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981055)

...this movie was cool. Just the action and intellectual level I was looking to see on a Friday night. Furthermore, my experience with "Star Wars" (Episodes 1 and 2) has given me the ability to endure surprising amounts of poor acting and stilted dialogue. I'm ready to throw down another $8.75 to see that movie again, and I'm someone who is too cheap to go see movies in theaters to being with.

Schizo hypocrites (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5981061)

Let's see, what will we at Slashdot believe today:
  • Hollywood and the MPAA are tyrannical fascist money grubbing leeches.
    OR

  • This is so cool. Hollywood is really raking in the cash hand over fist. 42 million dollars in one day!

use of language (-1, Troll)

unisol5 (637706) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981067)

Do to the use of heavy language in the movie one go in the audience said "shuta fuck up" while the creator of the matrix was talking. Everything started laughing. The way he saved trinity was kinda stupid and very cheap.

Re:use of language (1)

Bold Marauder (673130) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981097)

That's a bit of an unfair criticism. 'heavy' language can often be used to accentuate the writers' point. However, I do agree that using profanity for it's own sake is usually a mistake.

And really, I don't think that there is any artistic necessity to use the word 'fuck' in a film. I just don't see it.

Re:use of language (0)

unisol5 (637706) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981111)

one guy i ment not "one go"

I Prefer the Bootleg ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5981084)

I really hate going to the theater, which is nothing more than a suburban teenage hang-out. Not to mention the fact that there is a stigma about being the lone creepy guy in the back row.

Watched the VCD and thought the first hour was a waste with little story/character development, though the second half made up for it.

Is it just me ... (1)

ProfMoriarty (518631) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981087)

Or did the "music" during the Zion sequence (w/ Neo & Trinity) sound like a low-budget porno flick theme?

Of course ... see the movie and judge for yourself ...

Re:Is it just me ... (1)

maskedavenger (674027) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981098)

have you ever gone to see Stomp? HBO did a special on them but it's nothing like seeing them on stage. Seeing that scene with the Stomp-like music made me feel like I was watching a malt-beverage commercial. I wanna know why only good looking people get saved from the matrix. Those dancers were fine-azz hunnies.

Deeper meanings (*** WARNING SPOOLERS ***) (5, Interesting)

iamchaos (572797) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981093)

From a philosophical and spiritual point of view I enjoyed this film more than the first. I left the first film thinking, wow what a great idea. I left this film questioning everything I just saw. The angle of Neo being the rebellious child of the world that was created by the architect, and realizing that he has free will and the same abilities the creators of the Matrix and lesser programs have really resonated with me. I can see where they are going and am quite interested in seeing if the real world is discovered to be another type of Matrix. Which I hope is the bold angle they might take instead of it being part of the same Matrix designed as a distraction. The creators of this film truly managed to convey a deep message intertwined with intense action and the idea that "he is just human" disputing itself repeatedly. They expounded on the original concept very well, leaving splintering questions in my mind. He was handed a spoon in the real world before returning to the Matrix. Maybe he will realize once again that there is no spoon. After all, what is real?

#!/i/am/chaos

Trinity's ass (1)

neoform (551705) | more than 11 years ago | (#5981115)

why the hell didn't they show the opening scene where she jumps off the bike and they give that great ass shot, again at the end of the movie?! damn them!

Adjusted figures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5981118)

It would be very interesting to see a list of all time movie numbers where the box office was adjusted for inflation. Also a better measure would be number of tickets sold and not gross receipts.

For example, a picture in the 1930s which grossed 10 million at the box office, when adjusted for inflation would be at least equivalent to a 100 million dollar gross today.

Another way to look at it is that a picture in the 1930s which grossed 10 Million at ticket prices of 35 cents, implies 28.5 million in ticket sales, where a current movie grossing 100 million at 8 dollars per ticket implies only 12.5 million tickets sold, less than half the number for the 1930s picture.

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