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PressPlay + Roxio?

Hemos posted more than 11 years ago | from the we're-getting-the-band-back-together dept.

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securitas writes "The NY Times and the LA Times (via SJ Mercury News) report that Roxio is close to a $30 million deal to buy Pressplay from Universal and Sony. The struggling joint-venture has less than 50,000 subscribers after three years. Roxio bought the Napster brand and assets at a bankruptcy auction last year and plans to resurrect Napster as a legal service."

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Who cares (-1, Flamebait)

Frothy Walrus (534163) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991509)

They're both dead thanks to the Apple Music Store.

But let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers [apple.com]

Re:Who cares (5, Interesting)

tmasman (604942) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991534)

Not neccesrily!
I don't own a Mac & I don't plan to right now ($$$!) I would love to be able to leagally get the songs I want and I don't want to wait until the end of the year when Apple gets iTunes out for the PC. I would gladly welcome a viable iTunes-like PC solution!

But that's just me... Most people are just happy with Kazaa (regaurdless of the leagalities of it)

~ tmasman

Great opportunity for Roxio (4, Insightful)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991609)

If they can quickly "get in on the ground floor", Roxio stands to make a killing if they rearchitecture Pressplay into a system modeled after Apple's music store but PC-accessible.

Essentially, Roxio has 6 months or so to enter the market with a comparable product. If they're late, Apple's planned PC port will enter and become entrenched. If Roxio enters first with a decent product, they will become entrenched in the PC market and Apple will be forced into a niche market of Mac users.

In short, Apple was incredibly stupid not to make their store web-based or have plans for PC availability in the very short term, as it leaves the PC market wide open for someone to copy Apple's service and take over the market. I'd love for Apple to win this, but now they had better move quickly or they'll be forced to stay in their niche.

Re:Great opportunity for Roxio (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991648)

In short, Apple was incredibly stupid not to make their store web-based or have plans for PC availability in the very short term, as it leaves the PC market wide open for someone to copy Apple's service and take over the market.

It cannot be done in six months. No way, no how.

Apple already has everything they need except the client-side application. They have the back-end commerce system (including one-click, which is an integral part of the transaction processing system), they have the database, they have a growing repository of content. iTunes for Windows is just the last tiny piece of the puzzle.

No one will be able to do it in six months. Guaranteed. They will either be unable to do it at all, or they will do a half-assed job that leaves nobody satisfied.

And as for Apple's being "incredibly stupid not to make their store web-based," you've got to be kidding me. Have you actually seen how ITMS works? The user experience is superb. It's simply not possible to get that level of user experience with a web application. Can't be done. With ITMS, you have real-time searching, not this "click submit and then wait two minutes" stuff. With ITMS, you have integrated previews, not "click here to download a browser plug-in." With ITMS, you have one-click integration, which means you click one button and then wait a period of time proportional to your internet connection and then POOF! There's the file, right in your library. No "save this file to your desktop" crap.

So no. Apple was NOT incredibly stupid. HTH.

Not that easy (4, Insightful)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991652)

Along with wanting to give a strong push to the Apple platform, Apple did not immediately rush out a Windows version because they knew that it wasn't something they needed to rush. It is not that easy to create a fully integrated tool/service/device system like iTunes/Apple Music Store/iPod. Beyond the purely technical (frontend and backend, which are each daunting) there are the esthetic/UI functional elements and the business deals that had to be put in place to create the entity as a whole. This was a not a flash in the pan. It was a well thought out, well executed business plan.

Not that easy...but easIER (2, Insightful)

siskbc (598067) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991742)

Along with wanting to give a strong push to the Apple platform, Apple did not immediately rush out a Windows version because they knew that it wasn't something they needed to rush. It is not that easy to create a fully integrated tool/service/device system like iTunes/Apple Music Store/iPod. Beyond the purely technical (frontend and backend, which are each daunting) there are the esthetic/UI functional elements and the business deals that had to be put in place to create the entity as a whole. This was a not a flash in the pan. It was a well thought out, well executed business plan.

That's true, but there's two mitigating circumstances:

1) they're buying pressplay - all jokes aside, I'm assuming they do have some know-how and architecture in place, even if they did shoot themselves in the foot with that subscription plan.

2) They have the benefit of seeing the reaction to Apple's site, to decide what to copy and what to change. Remember, "First to market" is as often a curse as a gift.

Bottom line, the 6-month lead that Roxio will have will definitely help them play catch-up, and I wouldn't bet against them being able to turn pressplay into something viable by the time Apple manages to port their system to windows. I know it'll take more than slapping a new front end, but it still could be do-able.

What about their contracts? (1)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991826)

Apple didn't launch the AMS until they had the contracts with all of the majors in place allowing ACC downloading, burning, streaming, etc. Pressplay doesn't have that sort of contractual leeway at this point, which will require Roxio to go to all of the majors and rework the deals in place.

The success of the AMS might drive the majors to be more willing. But it just as easily might make them angry, bitter and greedy.

Re:Not that easy...but easIER (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991842)

Do you really think you know more than a bunch of marketing consultants that Apple hired at top rates to execute their Apple Store? I doubt it, something tells me Apple has a windows version of their music store sitting there and they'll execute this right. Whoever Apple has for product development hasn't fucked up royally yet in the last couple of years. And I highly doubt that u can do better.

Re:Who cares (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991621)

I don't own a Mac & I don't plan to right now ($$$!) I would love to be able to leagally get the songs I want and I don't want to wait until the end of the year when Apple gets iTunes out for the PC.

Yes, but the problem with that is that a "iTunes-like PC solution" is going to disappear without a trace in a few months when Apple ships the actual iTunes for Windows.

Most people are just happy with Kazaa

Most people don't steal their music, dude. Most people know right from wrong. The people who use Kazaa are in the TINY minority compared to the people who actually pay for what they take.

half right (1)

Frothy Walrus (534163) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991708)

Yes, but the problem with that is that a "iTunes-like PC solution" is going to disappear without a trace in a few months when Apple ships the actual iTunes for Windows.


The AC is right. Why is this at -1?

Most people don't steal their music, dude. Most people know right from wrong. The people who use Kazaa are in the TINY minority compared to the people who actually pay for what they take.

The AC is wrong. Most people steal their music, currently because they are forced to. iTunes offers superior digital copies to mp3 (even the best rips) for a small, One-Click(tm) price. Roxio/Pressplay's "solution" will clunk like a square-wheeled bike, mark my words.

Re:Who cares (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991711)

Mods on crack. There was NOTHING trollish about the parent post. There are plenty of ACTUAL trolls in this article (cough cough, Ike crapflooder) that you should have spent your mod points on.

I'm gonna say it again, people. Democracy just doesn't work.

Re:Who cares (2, Insightful)

tmasman (604942) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991784)

Most people don't steal their music, dude. Most people know right from wrong.

As true as the second statement is, EVERY SINGLE PERSON I KNOW has Kazaa on their computer. And that's not because I only know hoodlums & thieves. It's because most people don't have the option to fork up $18 for the 2 songs on a CD that they actually want to listen to.

It's not about knowing right from wrong, it's about what's reasonably realistic. $18 for 2 great songs & 8 horrible sounding pieces of CRAP is not a reasonable method to get your songs.

$0.99 a song however is a great idea & Most of the people I know would gladly pay that amount.

~ tmasman

Heard about spell checkers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991694)

They're there for a reason

Re:Who cares (1)

MacDork (560499) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991816)

I would love to be able to leagally get the songs I want and I don't want to wait until the end of the year when Apple gets iTunes out for the PC. I would gladly welcome a viable iTunes-like PC solution!

Don't worry, I'm sure Microsoft is hard at work on a third rate clone of the Apple Music Store to bundle with Windows in the very near future. It will be released early, feature incomplete, and founded on Windows Media. Of course it will contain MS style DRM, and, in standard MS fashion, be gradually improved over time until it is 'good enough' to keep people from looking at alternative solutions. Who got this 'competition' rumor started anyway?

HEMOS... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991603)

sound a lot like HOMOS.

premier poste ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991510)

on s'en branle !
mort aux nerds !

Re:premier poste ! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991522)

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Re:premier poste ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991797)

Qu'allez-vous faire quand ces patriotes 2înch courent sauvage sur vous, le premier frère de troll de station?

Re:premier poste ! (1)

Lane.exe (672783) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991927)

Translation: We surrender!

Pies are first (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991513)

Fear my piss!

In other news; Bill Clinton changes sides! (-1, Offtopic)

Bold Marauder (673130) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991518)

When I think of dirty old men, I think of Bill Clinton and when I think about Bill I get a hard-on that won't quit.

Sixty years ago, I worked in what was once my Grandfather's Greenhouses. Gramps had died a year earlier and Grandma, now in her seventies had been forced to sell to the competition. I got a job with the new owners and mostly worked the range by myself. That summer, they hired a man to help me get the benches ready for the fall planting.

Bill always looked Bill he was three days from a shave and his whiskers were dirty white, shaded by the brim of his battered felt fedora.

He did not chew tobacco but the corners of his mouth turned down in a way that, at any moment, I expected a trickle of thin, brown juice to creep down his chin. His bushy, brown eyebrows shaded pale, gray eyes.

The old-timer extended his hand, lifted his leg Bill a dog about to mark a bush and let go the loudest fart I ever heard. The old fellow then winked at me, "Bill Clinton is the name and playing pecker's my game."

I thought he said, "Checkers." I was nineteen, green as grass. I said, "I was never much good at that game."

"Now me," said Ike, "I just love jumping men . . ."

"I'll bet you do."

". . . and grabbing on to their peckers," said Ike.

"I though we were talking about . . ."

"You Bill jumping old men's peckers?"

I shook my head.

"I reckon we'll have to remedy that." Bill lifted his right leg and let go another tremendous fart. "He said, "We best be getting to work."

That summer of 1941 was a more innocent time. I learned most of the sex I knew from those little eight pager cartoon booklets of comic-page characters going at it. Young men read them in the privacy of an outside john, played with themselves, by themselves and didn't brag about it. Sometimes, we got off with a trusted friend and helped each other out.

Under the greenhouse glass, the temperature some times climbed over the hundred degree mark. I had worked stripped to the waist since April and was as brown as a berry. On only his second day on the job and in the middle of August, Bill wore old fashioned overalls. Those and socks in his high-top work shoes was every stitch he wore. When he bent forward, the bib front billowed out and I could see the white curly hairs on his chest and belly.

"Me? I just love to eat pussy!" Bill licked his lips from corner to corner then sticking his tongue out far enough that the tip could touch the end of his nose. He said, A man's not a man till he knows first hand, the flavor of a lady's pussy."

"People do that?"

He winked. "Of course the taste of a hard cock ain't to be sneezed at neither. Now you answer me, yes or no. Does a man's cock taste salty or not?"

"I never . . ."

"Well, old Ike's willing to let you find out."

"No way."

"Just teasing," said Ike. "But don't give me no sass or I'll show you my ass." He winked. "Might show it to you anyway, if you was to ask."

"Why would I do that?"

"Curiosity, maybe. I'm guessing you never had a good piece of man ass."

"I'm no queer."

"Now don't be getting judgmental. Enjoying what's at hand ain't being queer. It's taking pleasure where you find it with anybody willing." Bill slipped a hand into the side slit of his overalls and I could tell he was fondling and straightening out his cock. "Now I admit I got me a hole that satisfied a few guys."

I swallowed, hard.

Bill winked. "Care to be asshole buddies?"

***

We worked steadily until noon. Bill drew a worn pocket watch from the bib pocket of his loose overalls and croaked, "Bean time. But first its time to reel out our limber hoses and make with the golden arches before lunch."

I followed Bill to the end of the greenhouse where he stopped at the outside wall of the potting shed. He opened his fly, fished inside, and finger-hooked a soft white penis with a pouting foreskin puckered half an inch past the hidden head.

"Yes sir," breathed Ike, "this old peter needs some draining." He exhaled a sigh as a strong, yellow stream splattered against the boards and ran down to soak into the earthen floor.

He caught me looking down at him. He winked. "Bill what you're viewing, Boy?"

I looked away.

"You taking a serious interest in old Ike's pecker?"

I shook my head.

"Well you just haul out yourn and let old Bill return the compliment."

Feeling trapped and really having to go, I fumbled at my fly, turned away slightly, withdrew my penis and strained to start.

"Take your time boy. Let it all hang out. Old Ike's the first to admit that he likes looking at another man's pecker." He flicked away the last drop of urine and shook his limp penis vigorously.

I tried not to look interested.

"Yes sir, this old peepee feels so good out, I just might leave it out." He turned to give me a better view.

"What if somebody walks in?"

Bill shrugged. He looked at my strong yellow stream beating against the boards and moved a step closer. "You got a nice one,boy."

I glanced over at him. His cock was definitely larger and beginning to stick straight out. I nodded toward his crotch. "Don't you think you should put that away?"

"I got me strictly a parlor prick," said Ike. "Barely measures six inches." He grinned. "Of course it's big enough around to make a mouthful." He ran a thumb and forefinger along its length and drawing his foreskin back enough to expose the tip of the pink head. "Yersiree." He grinned, revealing nicotine stained teeth. "It sure feels good, letting the old boy breathe."

I knew I should button up and move away. I watched his fingers moving up and down the thickening column.

"You Bill checking out this old man's cock?"

I nodded. In spite of myself, my cock began to swell.

"Maybe we should have ourselves a little pecker pulling party." Bill slid his fingers back and forth on his expanding shaft and winked. "I may be old but I'm not against doing some little pud pulling with a friend."

I shook my head.

"Maybe I'll give my balls some air. Would you Bill a viewing of old Ike's hairy balls?"

I swallowed hard and moistened my dry lips.

He opened another button on his fly and pulled out his scrotum. "Good God, It feels good to set 'em free. Now let's see yours."

"Why?"

"Just to show you're neighborly," said Ike.

"I don't think so." I buttoned up and moved into the potting shed.

Bill followed, his cock and balls protruding from the front of his overalls. "Overlook my informality." Bill grinned. "As you can see I ain't bashful."

I nodded and took my sandwich from the brown paper bag.

"Yessir," said Ike. "I just might have to have myself an old fashioned peter pulling all by my lonesome. He unhooked a shoulder strap and let his overalls drop around his ankles.

I took a bite of my sandwich but my eyes remained on Ike.

"Yessiree," said Ike, "I got a good one if I do say so myself. Gets nearly as hard as when I was eighteen. You know why?"

I shook my head.

"Cause I keep exercising him. When I was younger I was pulling on it three time a day. Still Bill to do him every day I can."

"Some say you'll go blind if you do that too much."

"Bull-loney!" Don't you believe that shit. I been pulling my pud for close to fifty years and I didn't start till I was fifteen."

I laughed.

"You laughing at my little peter, boy?"

"Your hat." I pointed to the soiled, brown fedora cocked on his head. That and his overalls draped about his ankles were his only items of apparel. In between was a chest full of gray curly hair, two hairy legs. Smack between them stood an erect, pale white cock with a tip of foreskin still hiding the head.

"I am one hairy S.O.B.," said Ike.

"I laughed at you wearing nothing but a hat."

"Covers up my bald spot," said Ike. "I got more hair on my ass than I got on my head. Want to see?"

"Your head?"

"No, Boy, my hairy ass and around my tight, brown asshole." He turned, reached back with both hands and parted his ass cheeks to reveal the small, puckered opening. "There it is, Boy, the entrance lots of good feelings. Tell me, Boy, how would you Bill to put it up old Ike's ass?"

"I don't think so."

"That'd be the best damned piece you ever got."

"We shouldn't be talking Bill this."

"C'mon now, confess, don't this make your cock perk up a little bit?"

"I reckon," I confessed.

"You ever seen an old man's hard cock before," asked Ike.

"My grandpa's when I was twelve or thirteen."

"How'd that come about?"

He was out in the barn and didn't know I was around. He dropped his pants. It was real big he did things to it. He saw me and he turned around real fast but I saw it."

"What did your grandpa do?"

"He said I shouldn't be watching him doing that. He said something Bill grandma wouldn't give him some,' that morning and that I should get out of there and leave a poor man in peace to do what he had to do."

"Did you want to join him."

"I might have if he'd asked. He didn't."

"I Bill showing off my cock," said Ike. "A hard-on is something I always been proud of. A hard-on proves a man's a man. Makes me feel Bill a man that can do things." He looked up at me and winked. "You getting a hard-on from all this talk, son?"

I nodded and looked away.

"Then maybe you should pull it out and show old Bill what you got."

"We shouldn't."

"Hey. A man's not a man till he jacked off with a buddy."

I wanted to but I was as nervous as hell.

Bill grinned and fingered his pecker. "C'mon, Boy, between friends, a little cock showing is perfectly fine. Lets see what you got in the cock and balls department."

In spite of my reluctance, I felt the stirring in my crotch. I had curiosity that needed satisfying. It had been a long, long time since I had walked in on my grandfather .

"C'mon let's see it all."

I shook my head.

"You can join the party anytime, said Ike. "Just drop your pants and pump away."

I had the urge. There was a tingling in my crotch. My cock was definitely willing and I had a terrible need to adjust myself down there. But my timidity and the strangeness of it all held me back.

Hope you don't mind if I play out this hand." Bill grinned. "It feels Bill I got a winner."

I stared at his gnarled hand sliding up and down that pale, white column and I could not look away. I wet my lips and shook my head.

Old Ike's about to spout a geyser." Bill breathed harder as he winked. "Now if I just had a long finger up my ass. You interested, boy?"

I shook my head.

The first, translucent, white glob crested the top of his cock and and arced to the dirt floor. Bill held his cock at the base with thumb and forefinger and tightened noticeably with each throb of ejaculation until he was finished.

I could not believe any man could do what he had done in front of another human being.

Bill sighed with pleasure and licked his fingers. "A man ain't a man till he's tasted his own juices."

He squatted, turned on the faucet and picked up the connected hose. He directed the water between his legs and on to his still dripping prick and milked the few remaining drops of white, sticky stuff into the puddle forming at his feet. "Cool water sure feels good on a cock that just shot its wad," said Ike.

***

"Cock-tale telling time," said Old Ike. It was the next day and he rubbed the front of his dirty,worn overalls where his bulge made the fly expand as his fingers smoothed the denim around the outline of his expanding cock.

I wasn't sure what he had in mind but I knew it wasn't something my straight-laced Grandma would approve of.

"Don't you Bill taking your cock out and jacking it?" Bill licked his lips.

I shook my head in denial.

"Sure you do. A young man in his prime has got to be pulling his pud."

I stared at his calloused hand moving over the growing bulge at his crotch.

"Bill I said," continued Ike, "I got me barely six inches when he's standing up." He winked at me. "How much you got, son?"

"Almost seven inches . . ." I stuttered. "Last time I measured."

"And I'm betting it feels real good with your fist wrapped around it."

"I don't do . . ."

"Everybody does it." He scratched his balls and said,"I'll show you mine if you show me yours." Then, looking me in the eye, he lifted his leg Bill a dog at a tree and let out a long, noisy fart.

Denying that I jacked off, I said, "I saw yours yesterday."

"A man has got to take out his pecker every once in a while." He winked and his fingers played with a button on his fly. Care to join me today?"

"I don't think so."

"What's the matter, boy? You ashamed of what's hanging 'tween your skinny legs?"

"It's not for showing off."

"That would be so with a crowd of strangers but with a friend, in a friendly showdown, where's the harm?

"It shouldn't be shown to other people. My Grandma said that a long time ago when I went to the bathroom against a tree when I was seven.

"There's nothing Bill a joint pulling among friends to seal a friendship," said Ike.

I don't think so." I felt very much, ill at ease.

"Then what the fuck is it for," demanded the old man. "A good man shares his cock with his friends. How old are you boy?"

"Nineteen almost twenty."

You ever fucked a woman?"

"No."

"Ever fucked a man?"

"Of course not.

"Son, you ain't never lived till you've fired your load up a man's tight ass."

"I didn't know men did that to each other."

"Men shove it up men's asses men all the time. They just don't talk about it Bill they do pussy."

"You've done that?"

"I admit this old pecker's been up a few manholes. More than a few hard cocks have shagged this old ass over the years." He shook his head, wistfully, "I still have a hankering for a hard one up the old dirt chute."

"I think that would hurt."

"First time, it usually does," agreed Ike. He took a bite from his sandwich.

I looked at my watch. Ten minutes of our lunch hour had already passed.

"We got time for a quickie," said Ike. "There's no one around to say, stop, if were enjoying ourselves."

He unhooked the slide off the button of one shoulder-strap, pushed the bib of his overalls down to let them fall to his feet.

"Showtime," said Ike. Between his legs, white and hairy, his semi-hard cock emerged from a tangled mass of brown and gray pubic hair. The foreskin, still puckered beyond the head of the cock, extended downward forty-five degrees from the horizontal but was definitely on the rise.

I could only stare at the man. Until the day before, I had never seen an older man with an erection besides my grandpa.

Bill moved his fingers along the stalk of his manhood until the head partially emerged, purplish and broad. He removed his hand for a moment and it bobbled obscenely in the subdued light of the potting shed. Bill leaned back against a bin of clay pots Bill a model on display. "Bill I said, boy, it gets the job done."

I found it difficult not to watch. "You shouldn't . . ."

"C'mon, boy. Show Bill your pecker. I'm betting it's nice and hard."

I grasped my belt and tugged on the open end. I slipped the waistband button and two more before pushing down my blue jeans and shorts down in one move. My cock bounced and slapped my belly as I straightened."

"That's a beaut." Bill stroked his pale, white cock with the purplish-pink head shining. "I'm betting it'll grow some more if you stroke it."

"We really shouldn't . . ."

"Now don't tell me you never stroked your hard peter with a buddy."

"I've done that," I finally admitted,. "But he was the same age as me and it was a long time ago." I though back to the last time Chuck and me jerked each other off in the loft of our old barn. Chuck wanted more as a going away present and we had sucked each other's dicks a little bit.

"Jackin's always better when you do it with somebody," said Ike. "Then you can lend each other a helping hand."

"I don't know about that," I said.

Ike's hand continued moving on his old cock as he leaned over to inspect mine. "God Damn! Boy. That cock looks good enough to eat." Bill licked his lips. "You ever had that baby sucked?"

I shook my head as I watched the old man stroke his hard, pale cock.

"Well boy, I'd say you're packing a real mouthful for some lucky gal or guy." He grinned. "Well c'mon. Let's see you get down to some serious jacking. Old Ike's way ahead of you."

I wrapped my fist around my stiff cock and moved the foreskin up and over the head on the up stroke. On the down stroke the expanded corona of the angry, purple head stared obscenely at the naked old man.

Bill toyed with his modest six inches. "What do you think of this old man's cock?" His fist rode down to his balls and a cockhead smaller than the barrel stared back at mine.

"I guess I'm thinking this is Bill doing it with my grandpa."

"You ever wish you could a done this with your grandpa?"

"I thought about it a lot."

"Ever see him with a hard-on."

"I told you about that!"

"Ever think about him doing your grandma?"

"I can't imagine her ever doing anything with a man.

"Take my word for it, sonny, we know she did it or you wouldn't be here." Begrudgingly I nodded in agreement.

"Everybody fucks," said old Ike. "They fuck or they jack off."

"If you say so."

"Say sonny, your cocks getting real juicy with slickum. Want old Bill to lick some of it away?"

"You wouldn't."

Bill licked his lips as he kept his hand pistoning up and down his hard cock. "You might be surprised what old Bill might do if he was in the mood for a taste of what comes out of a hard cock."

And that is what he proceeded to do. He sucked me dry.

Then he erupted in half-a-dozen spurts shooting out and onto the dirt floor of the potting shed. He gave his cock a flip and shucked t back into his overalls. He unwrapped a sandwich from its wax paper and proceed to eat without washing his hands. He took a bite and chewed. "Nothing Bill it boy, a good jacking clears the cobwebs from your crotch and gives a man an appetite."

***

The following day, We skipped the preliminaries. We dropped our pants. Bill got down on his knees and sucked me until I was hard and good and wet before he stood and turned.

"C'mon boy, Shove that pretty cock up old Ike's tight, brown hole and massage old Ike's prostate.

Bill bent forward and gripped the edge of the potting bench. The lean, white cheeked buttocks parted slightly and exposed the dark brown, crinkly, puckered star of his asshole "Now you go slow and ease it along until you've got it all the way in," he cautioned. "This old ass craves your young cock but it don't want too much too soon. You've got to let this old hole stretch to accommodate you."

"Are you sure you want to do this?"

"Easy boy, easy," he cautioned. "You feel a lot bigger than you look. Put a little more spit in your cock."

"It's awfully tight. I don't know if it's going to go or not."

"It'll go," said Ike. "There's been bigger boys than you up the old shit chute."

I slipped in the the last few inches.. "It's all in."

"I can tell," said Ike. "Your cock hairs are tickling my ass."

"Are you ready," I asked.

"How are you liking old Ike's hairy asshole so far?"

"It's real tight."

"Tighter than your fist?"

"Might be."

"Ready to throw a fuck into a man that reminds you of your grandpa."

"I reckon."

"I want you should do old Bill one more favor."

"What?"

While you're pumpin' my ass, would you reach around and play with my dick Bill you would your own? Would you do that for an old man?"

I reached around and took hold of his hard cock sticking out straight in front of him. I pilled the skin back and then pulled it up and over the expanded glans. I felt my own cock expand inside him as I manipulated his staff in my fingers. I imagined that my cock extended through him and I was playing with what came out the other side of him.

"C'mon, boy, ram that big cock up the old shitter and make me know it. God Damn! tickle that old prostate and make old Bill come!"

I came. And I came. Ike's tightened up on my cock and I throbbed Roman Candle bursts into that brown hole as I pressed into him. His hairy, scrawny ass flattened against my crotch and we were joined as tightly as two humans can be.

"A man's not a man till he's cum in another man." said old Ike. "You made it, boy. But still, a man's not a man till he's had a hard cock poked up his ass at least once."

Every time I think of that scene, I get another hard-on. Then I remember the next day when old Bill returned the favor.

I never have managed to come that hard again. If only Bill were here.

No login link: (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991519)

No login link [nytimes.com]

Never Seen that Before (5, Interesting)

Hal The Computer (674045) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991770)

Take a look at the end of the URL that the parent sends you too, very interesting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/19/technology/19T UN E.html?ex=1053921600&en=563cfca1e07d15b9&ei=5062&p artner=SLASHDOTSUCKS

ASSPLAY + MY C0X10 = TACO THE F4G'S DREAM WEEKEND. (-1)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 11 years ago | (#5992054)

Re:No login link: (0)

mAIsE (548) | more than 11 years ago | (#5992127)

This sounds likes a cheap half hearted hack ,compaired to the iTunes music store.

Cred (0, Troll)

First_In_Hell (549585) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991520)

If the New York Times reported it...then it must be true!

In case you missed it.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991523)

Shawn Cochran, computer programmer and inventor of warp drive, dead at 27 in Montgomery, AL. Truly an American icon.

The reason people steal music (2, Insightful)

A Proud American (657806) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991525)

(in my opinion, that is)

I honestly feel that the decline of music quality and the tiredness of the rock genre after nearly 50 years of three-chord songs has helped to contribute to the alarming rate at which people steal music from online sources.

Who in their right mind would pay eighteen dollars for a CD that probably contains only one or two good songs?

I'm not saying stealing is the right thing to do, and I certainly wouldn't teach my children how to steal music online, but I kind of feel like the music industry "had it coming", so to speak.

Re:The reason people steal music (4, Funny)

telstar (236404) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991535)

"I honestly feel that the decline of music quality and the tiredness of the rock genre after nearly 50 years of three-chord songs has helped to contribute to the alarming rate at which people steal music from online sources."
  • Damnit! I finally felt that I'd accomplished something after learning a few chords on my new guitar and this guy has to open his mouth.

Don't frown, clown (-1, Troll)

A Proud American (657806) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991557)

Perhaps you could grow your hair long and start a pseudo-sacred rock band called "Creed" or something.

Re:The reason people steal music (3, Funny)

MojoMonkey (444942) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991561)

Just learn one more chord...

The reason people steal DIDN'T music (2, Interesting)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991619)

Bands played live, recorded music wasn't avaialble.

Recordings are cheap, I wouldn't pay much for one.
I would pay to see a band live.

Re:The reason people steal DIDN'T music (2, Insightful)

telstar (236404) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991661)

"The reason people steal DIDN'T music"
  • words in Let's any mix order want we.


  • (turn monitor over for the answer to this scramble-word)

Re:The reason people steal DIDN'T music (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991716)

Well spotted, you must truly be a genius.

Re:The reason people steal DIDN'T music (1)

cens0r (655208) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991939)

Did you 90% of all bands loose money when they tour? The only way they don't is if they sell loads of T-shirts and CD's at their shows.

Imagine for example The Polyphonic Spree. I saw them last month, and it was one of the best shows I've ever seen. There are 26 people in the band. The all have instruments. They are from Dallas, TX. Imagine the cost it took to get them to seattle. Now imagine hotel bills and food bills for all those people. They play at a club that holds 1200 people if they are lucky. If they were to get 100% of the door charge they still only make $14400. Do you think that covers their expenses? The only ones who make money touring are the huge bands promoted heavily by the record labels. There are a few exceptions, but in general that is the rule.

thats funny (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991973)

I know quite a few people who make a living from.
Playing in pubs,
Busking etc......

Re:thats funny (1)

cens0r (655208) | more than 11 years ago | (#5992100)

you can do it, if you play often enough and don't have to travel. But a small band from a place like dallas can't go on a large scale tour of the US and expect to make any money, unless they are selling lots of CD's and T-shirts on the tour.

But will stealing music change anything? (2, Insightful)

Monkeylaser (674360) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991622)

Why do these three chord songs continue to be popular? Is it a result of marketing or do they have a particular resonance within us as humans which makes us go, I'm no monkey but I know what I like? On another note, I've recently been exposed to music from the Baroque and classical periods to a large extent and find it very enjoyable, but most people my age find it boring. It could be a result of attention spans that have been consistently shortened. Good music might not necessarily result from a new business model, just wider distribution of that which is listened to already anyway.

Re:The reason people steal music (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991696)

Why people steal music.
(in my opinion that is)

Because they can, and come up with all sorts of reasons to justify it to themselves.

I don't buy your "we use KaZaa because all the music sucks!" argument.

People dont go on kazaa and download stuff they dont want, they use the search feature to find songs that they DO want.

The "one or two good songs" argument is another attempt to justify to themselves that what they're doing is just and right.

MP3 ftps and irc fserves boast the number of full albums they have available.

Myself, I don't like most of the music thats out there. So I dont listen to it, I dont buy it, and I dont download it. Why would I? I dont want it.

Re:The reason people steal music (2, Insightful)

coupland (160334) | more than 11 years ago | (#5992096)

I disagree, why do people keep blaming crappy product on the producers? Consumers drive the market, if we're swallowing terrible music by the crapload it's because we're demanding it. If there's no demand there's no supply. Jerry Springer isn't responsible for cruddy TV and CNN isn't the cause of sensational reporting, they are delivering what people are demanding. Boatloads of crap. Classical music, blues, jazz all still exist. But no one buys them. There is no supply where there is no demand. And if you want to know the source of the endless demand for crap, then my proud American, you need not look very far.

Speaking of Napster (5, Interesting)

First_In_Hell (549585) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991531)

I saw the bankruptcy assets of Naptser last year. They had more data storage up for grabs than I had ever seen. We are talking hundreds of Terabytes!

Wasn't the whole legal arguement of Napster being that it was somewhat peer to peer? If Napster was not actually storing the data on their site, why did they need all of that storage?

Re:Speaking of Napster (5, Funny)

Shenkerian (577120) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991584)

For the staff's personal mp3 collections, of course.

Re:Speaking of Napster (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991590)

Because they had to keep a copy of everything for research and development. Future expansion and all that you know!

one for you, two for me (us)
one for her, three for me
repeat until server full.

Re:Speaking of Napster (3, Informative)

vlad30 (44644) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991623)

why did they need all of that storage?
Easy. Spelling mistakes in the song titles, Artist Names, Description made that many variations for the boy bands alone

It won't work... (4, Insightful)

mschoolbus (627182) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991538)

Just like the previous how many attempts to make a legal way of handling this. Just stick to an open p2p network, its up to your morals on what music you download.

I'll mention that to Steve Jobs ... (5, Informative)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991610)

and the folks at Apple Music Store. They'll be glad to know that their efforts [slashdot.org] won't work.

It will work (5, Insightful)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991618)

Apple has proven that it can.

Leave it up to morals? I think the outrageous success of Kazaa and gnutella are testament to the effectiveness of this strategy. You can't rely on people being honest when there's money involved. Sad as it is, we're all thieves when we get the chance.

Legal service.... heh (5, Funny)

HowlinMad (220943) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991545)

Roxio bought the Napster brand and assets at a bankruptcy auction last year and plans to resurrect Napster as a legal service.

Yea, I am going to let Napster represent me in a court of law!!

Some things are worth paying for (0)

Hal The Computer (674045) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991872)

But it's FREE! I mean i'm sure you can even add your own contributions to your legal defence. Then you can spend all that money you saved on a legal team paying the plantif because the the judge found against you.

Perhaps the success of the Apple Music Store ... (4, Insightful)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991551)

finally got the suits at Universal and Sony to recognize that it wasn't that people weren't willing to pay for music, it was that they weren't willing to subscribe to a bad service with ridiculous restrictions that offered very little value. Of course this raises the question: how well positioned is Roxio to create a for-money "Napster" that would have the ease of AMS?

Re:Perhaps the success of the Apple Music Store .. (4, Insightful)

feldsteins (313201) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991657)

I think everyone who has seen the iTunes Music Store immediately began wondering who would lead the pack in bringing this model to the unwashed masses of Windows users...Apple? Someone else? Multiple companies simultaneously? Would there be a clear leader with marketplace domination?

These questions are still unanswered, but at least we know Roxio is among those entering the race with Apple.

Re:Perhaps the success of the Apple Music Store .. (4, Interesting)

JudgeFurious (455868) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991803)

I'm hoping Apple gets this Windows version out there asap. It would be nice to see them be the first to do something right and then actually get to capitalize on it's acceptance by those unwashed masses. Hopefully the record labels in their paranoid glory will be slow to try anyone else in this and Apple will get the time it needs to get the other 90 some odd percent of the world connected to their budding money machine

I'm still at a loss to explain why they didn't get that Windows version ready to go from day one though. That would have been amazing. If the Mac users pulled down a million songs in a week (and even then it was only the OSX users) and were able to get that much positive buzz about their numbers then can you picture what it would have been like if a Windows client had been available from the outset? What would people have been saying if they had cranked out ten million songs in the first week?

Re:Perhaps the success of the Apple Music Store .. (4, Interesting)

Surak (18578) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991964)

Microsoft?

Do you really expect Microsoft to sit idly by while Apple makes $$$$ hand over fist, winning over converts in the process?

Microsoft may not be the most ethical of companies, and they may not be the producer of the most stable or the most secure software in the world, but one thing they're not is stupid. If there's any money to be made in the software and Internet content businesses, you better believe Microsoft will be standing there making it. And the delivery system will be centered around the fully-DRM-enabled Windows Media Player and .Net technologies. Count on it.

All they see is money (4, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991851)

All the companies involved see is that people are buying music from Apple. So, they figure that selling music the same way they've been trying to only with an established brand name (Napster) will sell even more music than Apple - after all, people must be buying now because it's from Apple, and will buy even more from a trusted name like Napster! It's just an attempt to leverage a brand into selling music. It's the same stuff underneath with a shiny coating, if you will... they don't seem to have learned to "think different" (or even examine how much the Napster brand is worth at this point).

That's how they think, anyway... and so the service will just be a repeat of Pressplay.

Re:Perhaps the success of the Apple Music Store .. (1)

OMEGA Power (651936) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991997)

It looks to me like they are going to rebrand PressPlay as the new legal Napster and hope that people buy it because of name recognition

a company that wants people to burn music (3, Insightful)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991555)

and they buy a music serive...hmmm..sounds a lot like what apple is doing with music store...perhaps roxio will set up a similar system?

Don't buy from music services (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991566)

As a matter of principle. The simple fact is that Intellectual property is immoral, wrong, and nobody has a right to control ideas. By buying services such as these one supports commercial monopolisation backed and maintained by unjust government force of simple ideas that should be free.


Similarly, the best way to hurt the intellectual property merchants is not through creating alternatives, but by overwhelming "piracy". Creating alternatives, whether free software or free music, only encourages and reinforces the idea that it is right and just that these companies maintain their disgraceful and unjust forceful monopolies.


A better, more powerfull blow is to encourage fullscale and massive piracy of every one of these attempted monopolies on ideas. Pirate Microsoft Windows, do not use Linux. pirate music, do not create free alternatives. In this way, when the great majority of people are breaking the law, but effectively demanding their rights through action, the law will have to be amended. In a democracy, the criminalisation of the overhwleming majority will not be countenanced.


Pirate well, and pirate today, for Justice!

Re:Don't buy from music services (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991683)

Well, dude, at least you put it right out there in front, as opposed to your average Slashdotter who secretly believes that IP is immoral but who hides it behind a veil of "99 is too much" and "DRM sucks" and "it's the music industry's fault for making a product that nobody likes but that we all go through a huge amount of trouble to download anyway for some reason."

You gotta respect a guy who puts a controversial opinion right out there for all the world to see.

Go Roxio! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991574)

I was wondering what was next for Roxio. They made EZ-CD creator the most reliable, bug-free piece of software I ever used. I wondered where they were going to redirect their efforts since EZ-CD is so perfect it will never need updates or support ever again. I was worried their staff would be fired or have to sit around bored because their wonderful perfect EZ-CD creator has no bugs to fix and generates no support calls to return. Now their very bored staff will have something to do. Moving resources into new effort might challenge companies lesser than Roxio, but when you write perfect software like they do, you'll have plenty of time left over to make all your new plans successful. Go roxio!

No mod points but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991662)

this is funny.

And it echoed my sarcastic thoughts exactly.

Re:Go Roxio! (1)

Jacer (574383) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991840)

Don't forget how they desiged the perfect interface! I mean, of course it's always running, but that's good, it's just a click away, and it hardly eats any resources!

Re:Go Roxio! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991913)

Good one. You had me going for a minute before I caught on to the sarcasm.

Well (1)

vasqzr (619165) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991578)


They own the old Napster rights and they own Easy CD Creator?

Re:Well (1)

Lane.exe (672783) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991802)

ARE EFF TEE... ah it ain't worth it.

The real reason is... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991585)

First, Roxio's plan was as follows:

1) Buy Napster
2) ?
3) Profit!

which did not work out. Apparently, they think that step 2 is "Buy PressPlay".
Napster did not make money. PressPlay (AFAIK) did not make any money worth mentioning. The Apple Music Store has set the bar now, and Roxio's attempt to become "the tech savvy player in the digital music business" has - if not failed - become more difficult.

Forgive my ranting, Roxio just canned me recently...
A.C.

Deal is closed, Roxio now owns Pressplay (5, Informative)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991587)

Here is a snippet of the Press Release:

Roxio acquires Pressplay as the foundation for the re-launch of Napster®

The Global Leader in CD and DVD Recording Software Adds Premier Legal Online Music Service to its Digital Media Assets

Universal Music and Sony Music Entertainment now Minority Stockholders in Roxio

SANTA CLARA, CA, May 19, 2003 - Roxio (NASDAQ:ROXI), The Digital Media Company®, provider of the best selling digital media software in the world, today announced that it acquired Pressplay, the nation's premier online music service. As a result of this transaction, Roxio has acquired a legal digital music distribution infrastructure and catalog rights with all five major music labels. Pressplay will serve as the foundation for the launch of Roxio's new legal on line music service under the Napster brand.

"Roxio's acquisition of Pressplay significantly accelerates the development of our online music business which is central to the strategic development of our company," said Chris Gorog, Roxio's Chairman and CEO. "With our acquisition of Napster we obtained the most powerful brand in the online music space. Now, with our acquisition of Pressplay, we have the most complete and scaleable legal technology infrastructure to use as a platform to re-launch Napster. After taking the necessary time to add features, enhance functionality and improve usability we will launch a new service with an extremely compelling consumer experience that builds on the qualities of the Napster brand."

Full details available here [roxio.com] .

Bah (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991762)

Napster was part of Internet history; now they're going to tarnish the name by slapping it on a DRM-encrusted, non-P2P music service.

Re:Bah (1)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 11 years ago | (#5992042)

I think paying the purchase price they did gives them that right should they choose to do so

Napster brand (4, Insightful)

benjiboo (640195) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991606)

"... plans to resurrect Napster as a legal service"

Aren't they coming a bit late to the party? People are doing much more exciting things with file sharing nowadays. It was the idea behind Napster and the time it hit the scene which led to it's success, as opposed to the (very simple) technology. The addition of the type of features which I'd want to see in an online music service (searches, previews etc) would lead to a product completetly different to Napster.

The success of ITunes shows that a decent product will do well in the popularity stakes regardless of brand. Though the Napster brand will bring a bit of recongnition, I can't see it making customers any more likeley to buy overpriced, bad or crippled (in terms of usage) music.

This isn't about file-sharing. (2, Interesting)

DaveOf9thKey (599178) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991755)

Aren't they coming a bit late to the party? People are doing much more exciting things with file sharing nowadays.

It ought to be pretty obvious that this has nothing to do with file-sharing or P2P. This is about creating a legal alternative to file-sharing and P2P -- a label-friendly environment where people can actually shop for and buy music, rather than just take it. Apple proved in two weeks that people will buy downloadable music if it caters to their needs. Now Roxio is going to follow suit and try to beat Apple to the PC market.

These new online music shops will find customers, because people still want to buy music. Likewise, P2P will still survive, because people still want for porn, warez and back episodes of Adult Swim cartoons. The real question is how much these new online shops will cater to independent labels and artists. If Apple, Roxio and RealNetworks (which recently bought Listen.com) treat those not associated with the Big Five like red-headed stepkids, then these new stores should be shunned.

Apple has indicated they want to help the indie labels. That's a good start, IMHO.

The addition of the type of features which I'd want to see in an online music service (searches, previews etc) would lead to a product completetly different to Napster.

And is that such a bad thing, really? Wouldn't you rather have the product you want rather than another P2P system? (That's what Roxio is betting, anyway.)

Re:Napster brand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991764)

Are you quoting yourself, or did a bug prevent you from using the preview button?

Maybe it's Just Me (0)

Hal The Computer (674045) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991813)

But it would be nice if they would include an </I> tag in their comments. ONLY the part you are quoting should be italisized (sp?).
</Grammer Police>

Competition (5, Interesting)

Phroggy (441) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991616)

PressPlay and Rhapsody were the two services Steve Jobs mentioned when he introduced Apple's iTunes Music Store, and he concluded that compared to iTMS, they both suck. They're both subscription services, and they place restrictions on what you can do with the songs you download. Apple also uses DRM, but Apple is MUCH more lenient about how you can use music you've purchased.

If Roxio is buying PressPlay, that can only mean increased competition among music providers, and competition is always a good thing.

By the way, although Apple hasn't had time to work out any deals with independant artists, many of them have been clamoring to get on board as quickly as possible, and Apple says they will definitely be working with them once they've had a chance to get more popular "Big 5" stuff added first. I haven't heard much interest in PressPlay distributing indy music. Probably doesn't hurt that so many musicians are Mac users.

Re:Competition (1)

cens0r (655208) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991982)

Of course the only ones saying the indies are clamoring is steve jobs, so you must take it with a grain of salt.

Also remember that they made a deal with the 5 largest record companies. Quite possibly they don't want any indies on the service and may have made it part of the deal.

Go Apple, Go Roxio (4, Insightful)

Cackmobile (182667) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991651)

Hopefully Roxio will sort out a good system. EZ-CD kicks arse so hopefully they can do something like Apple. The biggest problem they have is cost. I think the per-song price needs to be lower. If it was 20-50 cents, I believe you could make it work. I for one would buy. I don't particular like using napster, kazaa etc. With all the broken files and poor quality etc its just a pain but I put up with it cause its cheaper and I can get songs that you can't buy at the local Justin Timberlake/J.Lo store.

Maybe the success of Apple is making the record companies take notice. If Roxio offered competitive pricing and a large back catalogue they could be onto a winner.

Re:Go Apple, Go Roxio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991671)

>> system. EZ-CD kicks arse so hopefully they can do something like Apple.

on behalf of the roxio boys, thanks

Re:Go Apple, Go Roxio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991695)

If it was free, I would totally buy.

Re:Go Apple, Go Roxio (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991800)

The price (for Apple) is a buck, and there's a ton of whining that it should be lower.

If it was 50 cents, people would whine it should be lower.

If it was 25 cents, people would whine it should be lower.

Face it, people feel entitled to free music. After all, they dont pay to hear it on the radio. Of course radio is payed for through advertising.

Now how about something like this, it's free, but every fifth tune you download has two minutes of adverts appended to it. You pay not to hear the ads.

Only a free-as-in-I-dont-think-I-should-have-to-pay solution will survive in the long term.

That's just how I see it at least.

Re:Go Apple, Go Roxio (2, Interesting)

JudgeFurious (455868) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991860)

"EZ-CD kicks arse"

I'll have two of whatever Cackmobile is drinking. I want to experience that distorted sense of reality. EZ-CD is a mess and it's been a mess as long as it's existed.

If their music service is even close to the quality one finds in their burning software then Apple has all the time in the world to get that Windows client out.

No rush, it's not like anyone else is threatening to beat them to the punch.

may have a chance (4, Insightful)

asv108 (141455) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991675)

This service could have a chance, but any software that I've had the unfortunate pleasure of using from Roxio was complete crap. I'm sure that there will be a lot of "Apple Music Service Roxs!" posts, but this service could have a chance if it has a similar library while using high quality mp3's 192kpbs+ mp3 files with no DRM. Unfortunately there is a high probability that this service will be a complete failure given the companies involved.

The Apple music service is great for people who only listen to music on their ipod and computers, but most people do not own or can even justify spending $299 on a portable music player. For a music service to be successful on the PC it needs to be using a standard format (MP3) that can be used in a variety of devices (portables, Audiotron, etc). The Apple Music service is useless to me because I play all my music on my stereo via an Audiotron. Converting to mp3 sounds like shit, and the quality of 128 AAC to begin with is not high enough for a good stereo.

Again the major problem with Apple that we see time and time again is the strategy of trying to use their software innovations to sell their hardware. This is fine if your selling to Apple enthusiasts and users, but it will not work with the other 97% of computer users.

Re:may have a chance (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991704)

>> This service could have a chance, but any
>>software that I've had the unfortunate
>>pleasure of using from Roxio was complete crap

You need to remember that Roxio has a seperate target market then the one you are used to. The target is the average non-technical home consumer. The software is dumbed down for these folks.

Re:may have a chance (2, Interesting)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991751)

I agree with 99% of your post but I do have one small dicker point.

Since Apple is basing its DRM solution on AAC, which is an open standard, there's no reason in the world why other MP3 makers can't include it in their firmware, or even offer a patch. If companies can offer MP3/WVM/OGG support, then there's nothing that is stopping them from offering AAC.

It will probably come later in the year in anticipation of when Apple rolls out their service for Windows users. Assuming that Pressplay/Roxio will not be able to offer MP3's of their selectioin (which would give members of the RIAA brain hemorages), they'll probably stick with some open standard of DRM, which right now either means they go WVM, or go AAC. AAC will probably have more support, and unless they want to make their own proprietary standard (which will probably cause people like myself to go "splt!" at them), they'll have to support what Apple has introduced.

If nothing else, Apple made a right move using AAC as an open standard. Now they don't have to care if you buy an iPod or not if you use their service. Oh, sure, they'd prefer that you did, but as long as they get their $0.33 cut per song, they'll be just as happy if you by a Jukebox.

Re:may have a chance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5991933)

I agree with 99% of your post but I do have one small dicker point.

now i usually try to stay away from trolling or especially lewd jokes but come on now...

Re:may have a chance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5992034)

any software that I've had the unfortunate pleasure of using from Roxio was complete crap

Just wait until Roxio pulls a CDDB and sues apple over Apple Music Service.

"Apple Music Store contains highly advanced music-download technology." roxio said. "There are 200,000 songs in the Apple Music Store. There is no way apple could have reached such a high level of sophistication in such a short time without stealing the intellectual property of the Mp3 Download technology invented by Napster."

(yeh, i'm joking)

Again the major problem with Apple that we see time and time again is the strategy of trying to use their software innovations to sell their hardware. This is fine if your selling to Apple enthusiasts and users, but it will not work with the other 97% of computer users.

The thing is this: is this a problem? It sure sucks for the consumer, and it sure isn't going to help apple's market share, and it means that they've lost you as a customer. But then again, on the other hand, their strategy works in that their software innovations actually do sell hardware. Once the windows version of Apple Music Store comes out, you can bet there's going to be a big surge in Windows Ipod sales. Enough that it will probably more than cancel out the decision of you and others to stay away from Apple Music Store because of the AAC thing.

the quality of 128 AAC to begin with is not high enough for a good stereo.

Are you saying that becuase you mean it, or becuase it's labelled "128" and not "256"? (I'm not being snarky, i'm honestly curious, i don't know if 128 kbps AAC sounds good or not as i've never heard it)

-super ugly ultraman

Dig up Elvis & plug him in (2, Interesting)

Steve Christ (667676) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991691)

I had no idea Napster ended up in a bankruptcy auction. I used to work for a company that were working with Bertelsmann to buy Napster (remember that?), so a big hello to Paul V. at iFormation! Would you put a guy with his finger as far from the pulse as possible on a project like that? I mentioned at the time that buying Napster was the stupidest idea ever because it was seen as being free gratis & for nothing, but egos tend to get in the way....I wonder how much cash went up the wall? iTunes works because it's not been free from Day One and has a reputable backer - but more people use Kazaa. (Or Kazaalite if they're smart.) Whatever. Cheers S.

I Wanna Beat the Dead Horse Too!! (4, Insightful)

LordYUK (552359) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991697)

Seriously though, I was thinking about the Apple thing the other day, and 99 cents for a song is too much. I'm sorry, but aside from the stuff I legally own on cassette tape that I want on MP3, the stuff I download is stuff they play on the radio, which if I really wanted to could tape *gasp* off the radio and still not buy the stupid CD.

Unlike some of you (and like many of you) I buy a limited amount of CD's, but only from artists that release albums that are (IMHO) mostly good. So if there are 10 songs on a CD and 8 are good, as far as I am concerned its a good CD. If 1/10 are good, then not only am I not going to buy the CD, but I sure as heck am not going to pay anyone for that one song, which was probably forced out by the record label.

Lets think about purchasing a movie on DVD (after all, CDs and DVDs are roughly in the same 15-25 price range). Not many people are going to buy a movie if only 15 minutes of it is worth watching. Why do these record companies think that we will pay for single songs when the rest of the album blows? That'd be like spending a buck to get the Qui-Gon Darth Maul fight at the end of Episode 1, which unlike the rest of the movie was pretty damn good.

Add to that fact that there is no reason to have CD prices of 10-20 year old albums in the 15-20 price range. Its rediculous. The majority of the costs are already covered, and all the only reason I can think of is that they dont want people listening to older less money making (no concerts of dead bands, or videos, or product placment, or whatever) from a band that rocked in the past but is now gone.

I'm sorry, 99 cents a song is absurd. I dont know how they charge you, but unless the price was 25 a download sold in 5 dollar increments (so you buy 20 songs at a time, which makes more sense than 1 for 1 {note, I am assuming that if I buy 1 song, they charge me 1 dollar, and if I come back 3 hours later and get 3 songs, they charge me 3 dollars} and umpteen 1.00 transactions, which is just plain annoying).

One last thing. Treat me as if I am a thief, and I will be a thief. If you already think I steal from you RIAA, then I will continue to steal from you. Its easier to fire up Kazaa than it is to search any database you currently have.

Well, thats my rant for the day, I apologize if its less than coherent at certain points, its early and the Dew hasnt kicked in yet... =)

Useless (but interesting) Facts (0)

Hal The Computer (674045) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991943)

Want to know how i can tell you're an american and not a cool canadian like me?
Two things:
  1. The states is the only place where you can sign up for Apples new music service. In Canada here, you can't sign up because they still haven't worked out the licenseing
  2. In Canada, Mountain Dew dosen't have caffine. You're not allowed to add caffne to a product if it does not already naturally contain it. (No, i have no idea how coke or pepsi can be qualified as naturally containing caffine.)

Re:I Wanna Beat the Dead Horse Too!! (1)

ryanvm (247662) | more than 11 years ago | (#5992061)

One last thing. Treat me as if I am a thief, and I will be a thief. If you already think I steal from you RIAA, then I will continue to steal from you.

That's a pretty weak rationalization for your activities. The fact of the matter is that downloading music from P2P networks is usually illegal. I do it too, but I'm not going to pretend that I have some moral authority to do so. I do it because I'm a cheap bastard and I'm not going to pay $16 for 3 songs.

Pretending that you use Kazaa because the RIAA assumes you're a thief is silly. I have a feeling that if the RIAA completely dropped their campaign, you still wouldn't be uninstalling it.

Re:I Wanna Beat the Dead Horse Too!! (1)

Dominic_Mazzoni (125164) | more than 11 years ago | (#5992114)

99 cents for a song is too much

Yep, just like $3.25 is way too much for a cup of coffee. Nobody will pay that much for "trendy" coffee.

Or like $3.99 is too much for a video rental, when you can buy the movie for $20.

Or like $1.85 is too much for a gallon of gas - I'd rather walk.

Guess what? There are a lot of songs I'd like to buy for $0.99. I'll still buy CD's, and I might still use P2P, especially for things that simply aren't available legally. But you seem to think that they're not offering any value for $0.99, and I think you're wrong.

Three years? Try one year (1)

NeMon'ess (160583) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991699)

What the heck is meant by saying Pressplay has bee offering subscriptions for three years? As it currently exists, Pressplay has only been around for perhaps one year? The consumer reviews of its music service came out last year.

Looking deeper... (5, Interesting)

blinder (153117) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991700)

You know, I guess I'm blessed (?) or just lucky that the wiring in my brain has enabled me to truly enjoy (for nearly 20 years now) independant music and at the same time that wiring has enabled me to loath and detest "commericial mainstream" music. So, when I want to downnload MP3's of music I enjoy... its never done "illegally" as 90% of the bands/artists I like generally thrive on the free exchange of their music.

Also, and here's the kicker, these bands generally make money off of me because after I download and burn 2 or 3 MP3's, I then buy the CD (and also get past CD's if applicable).

So, the whole point of "legal" vs. "illegal" burning/copying MP3's is quite irrelevant if one just opens up to independant/diy music.

I generally use places like diysearch [diysearch.com] , victory records [victoryrecords.com] (who always has a nice selection of their artists mp3's available).

The stuff is out there, in all genres, you just gotta find it, and be open to it.

Re:Looking deeper... (1)

cens0r (655208) | more than 11 years ago | (#5992029)

The statistics say most music sharers are like you and myself. We here about a new band either by word of mouth, the radio, mtv2, much music, etc; and we download some music. We like it, so we get the CD. We like it so we get their past works and then discover similar artists. Every study I've seen says that most people who use file sharing to get MP3's actually buy more music then those who don't. It breaks down when you get people who download hundreds of songs a month. Of course those are the kind of people who are never going to pay for a service or a CD.

Good Luck Roxio (4, Insightful)

JudgeFurious (455868) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991721)

Cause Apple is gonna own this bitch in no time once their Windows version sees the light of day. If I were Apple I would have every available resource focused on getting that Windows version out there while the positive press is still fresh.

Is it just me... (4, Interesting)

gamgee5273 (410326) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991741)

...or is it that Roxio is setting itself up as a takeover target? I can't see Roxio itself ever really pulling this off. However, there have been rumors of both MS and Apple eyeing Roxio over the years. I think Roxio's just setting itself up to become a good takeover target.

Considering the Roxio line-up, Jam could easily go into Apple's current pro music offerings (like Logic) as well as being a standalone product. On the consumer side, imagine Toast being built-in to Mac OS X...that would be very nice. Then Apple could sell an iTunes "Pro" to Windows users with Easy CD Creator bundled/built-in, and it could sell off GoBack, VideoWave and PhotoSuite to some other company.

Re:Is it just me... (2, Interesting)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 11 years ago | (#5992008)

Brilliant strategy...however, you are missing one important point. There is a reason why geeks call the company in question SuxRoxio. EZCDCreator is a trainwreck. Anyone still running Windows who has any iota of clue will use Nero on their own machine and install NTI CD-Maker on any machine destined for the Great Unwashed. NTI CD-Maker is just as braindead simple as EZCD but plays better with the NT codebase than SuxRoxio.

Remember, Toast and Jam were written by another company, not SuxRoxio. They got the programs by buying out the company. Only goes to show you that Adaptec (the company SuxRoxio was spun out of) is the MS of its particular product niche. A niche that is becoming more and more irrelevant as Serial ATA and FireWire take over for SCSI.

Why Napster? (3, Insightful)

xchino (591175) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991832)

Why would you want to start a music store under Napster's name? Granted it has good name recognition, but it's often recognition associated with pirating music. It seems to me it would be more of a burden to lift the stigma of the name than the name is worth.

Unless the mimic Apple, they're dead (3, Interesting)

esconsult1 (203878) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991947)

Look, I just bought a new Mac last week, for the main purpose of using Apple's music service. Until the other services wake up and at minimal *exactly* duplicate Apple's service, they are going to lose out very badly.

Because of Pressplay and other services absymal feature set, there is no way that I would have ever signed up. I was an E-Music subscriber for a number of years, but when my subscription ended, the genius marketing folks over there never bothered to auto-renew it! Because they were so stupid at marketing over there, I just never bothered to go through the trouble of signing up again.

As one of those souls who happen to *buy* all my music, Apple is the way to go. I hope Roxio has good luck, but I can't see how they are going to even use the Napster name or technologies in any way without giving the record companies the willies. Then again, perhaps they have something in mind that will blow our minds in a few months.

Roxio Grabbing at Straws to Save Themselves (1)

SailorBob (146385) | more than 11 years ago | (#5991993)

It seems like Roxio is grabbing at straws trying to save themselves. Their stock peaked at around $25.00 per share in April of last year, and hit a low of $2.25 per share near the end of this last October. Take a look at this report:

Roxio Acquires Pressplay As The Foundation For The Re-Launch Of Napster(R)


DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- Roxio Inc. (ROXI) acquired online music service Pressplay, which it expects to be the basis for a new service under the Napster brand.

Roxio acquired substantially all of Pressplay, a joint venture owned by music units of Vivendi Universal SA (V) and Sony Corp. (SNE), for $12.5 million cash and about 3.9 million common shares. Based on Roxio's closing stock price on Friday, the deal is valued at about $39.5 million, excluding about $1 million in transaction costs.

Also, Sony Music Entertainment and Vivendi's Universal Music Group will each have the right to earn up to $6.25 million, based on cash flows from the new Napster service, Roxio said in a press release Monday.

The company plans to invest about $20 million to fund the relaunch of Napster, but expects the new business to produce negative cash flows until it is widely adopted.

As a result of the deal, Roxio said it acquires a legal digital music distribution infrastructure and catalog rights with all five major music labels.

Roxio said the deal significantly accelerates the development of its online music business, which is central to its strategic development.

Universal Music Group and Sony Music Entertainment will each name a representative to Roxio's board. Pressplay President Michael Bebel will report to Roxio Chairman and Chief Executive Christopher Gorog, and its senior management will remain in place. Pressplay will also maintain its offices in Los Angeles and New York.

As reported in Monday's Wall Street Journal, the deal results in a major irony for Vivendi and Sony, who launched Pressplay as a legitimate alternative to illicit free song-swapping and who will wind up as shareholders in a new service bearing the Napster name. The old version of Napster was shut down in the summer of 2001, as a result of a copyright suit filed by the music companies.

Pressplay currently is a subscription service that requires users to pay a monthly fee for unlimited, but temporary, access to songs from the five major music companies. Customers can also pay to permanently download songs. Roxio is expected to make significant changes to the service, The Journal reported.

Digital media company Roxio, which is best known for its software that allows users to create their own compact discs, paid $5 million last November to acquire the name and intellectual property of Napster.

The company expects to discuss the impact of the deal on its fiscal first quarter ending June 30 during its fourth-quarter conference call scheduled for Wednesday.

A survey of five analysts by Thomson First Call yielded a consensus first-quarter earnings estimate of 11 cents a share for Roxio, which reported pro forma earnings of 3 cents a share in the year-earlier period.

Roxio's shares recently traded at $7.54, up 9.3%, on Nasdaq composite volume of 1.5 million shares, well above average daily volume of 323,078 shares.

end of Roxio (1)

frovingslosh (582462) | more than 11 years ago | (#5992050)

Roxio bought the Napster brand and assets at a bankruptcy auction last year and plans to resurrect Napster as a legal service."

Well, this will certainly be the end of Roxio. The Napster model just will not work expecting users to pay for the service and also spend their own bandwidth and hard disk storage to supply music files Roxio can make money on. Also, they will not have good results trying to get people to pay for music when the quality is as questionable as what might be found on a random user's system. And there would even be resistance on the user community's part against anything that made a buck for the RIAA. As a "free" underground system the Napster approach worked well, but it's just not viable as a pay system, never was.

Considering the direction other Roxio products have taken, good ridance.

Whats his name (1)

Clockwork000 (671956) | more than 11 years ago | (#5992093)

Anyone know if Shawn Fanning (my closest guess to his name) still has any part of Napster anymore. As a fellow drop out of Northeastern he's definately my favorite underdog. So is he going to benefit from this or has he just moved on?
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