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Sun Announces New x86 Servers

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the slumming-with-linux dept.

Sun Microsystems 294

An anonymous reader writes "Sun announced the new V60x and V65x servers (1U and 2U respectively). The 1U has 2.8GHz Xeon CPUs and the 2U has 3.06GHz Xeon CPUs. They also announced a partnership with RedHat and Oracle running on these boxes. RedHat will also start shipping Sun's Java with their distribution."

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unsubbed fp (-1)

Anonymous Niggard (657484) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999462)

unsubbed fp nigs

Sun and X86 (3, Funny)

Bame Flait (672982) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999469)

I'm eagerly awaiting their move into adult markets with XXX86 servers. And Windows XXXP support!

Incidentally, Pr0stx0r fr1stx0r

Bitches

WILL IT SUPPORT WINDOWS XXX-VOMIT? YOU WILL! (-1)

I VOMIT ON FAILURES! (652124) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999506)

Incidentally, you FAIL!

Re:Sun and X86 (2, Funny)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999695)

"And Windows XXXP support!"

Complete with Orifice XP!

Wow (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999475)

CowboyNeal is one huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge dude. Take a gander at the fat lummox himself. [cmdrtaco.net]

He's soooooo big... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999622)

He needs two screens to read slashdot.org!

Well, at least the X3 producers can stop looking for someone to play Blob now.

wow (4, Interesting)

banka (464527) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999476)

is this a ditch effort by sun to stay alive? it seems as though they've just been slipping away in recent years; they had the "One" platform of ubiquotous distributed computing and then that sort of disappeared, are we going to see the end of solaris soon?

Re:wow (1)

MSBob (307239) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999500)

SunOne is still alive and kicking. It may not be as big as WebLogic or Websphere but they have some market share. Like 10% or so...

Re:wow (0, Offtopic)

xanadu-xtroot.com (450073) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999587)

It may not be as big as WebLogic

OMFG I can't wait for that to die. I have to reboot the damn server 6 or 7 times a week. No, in case you're wondering, I didn't want it in house...

Re:wow (1, Offtopic)

mrjive (169376) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999813)

It can't be worse than WebSphere....honestly.

Re:wow (0, Offtopic)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999713)

Yes , but how many of these were bundled with the hardware and essencially given free, and how many were bought without the sun hardware ?

Re:wow (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999520)

Sun is dying.
BSD is dying.
P2P is dying.
Windows is dying.

blah blah blah.

Re:wow (3, Funny)

andy1307 (656570) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999729)

they had the "One" platform

Sun-One as in Sun and their stock price a year from now...

Re:wow (0)

cshark (673578) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999745)

Woo hah hah hah! Yes, let them slip into the saturated X86 market like the lemmings they are! Then, and only then will I pounce. :)

Yes! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999478)

Fourth post!

"An anonymous reader" (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999481)

From 68-248.sun.com

Why Oracle? (-1, Flamebait)

A Proud American (657806) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999485)

You all know as well as I do how irrelevant Oracle truly is.

Even their CEO commented that (paraphrasing here), "We created a profitable company by selling people things they didn't need."

And people don't need Oracle databases. Most of the free SQL flavors work just fine, thank you.

Give me PostgreSQL or MySQL any day over Oracle crap.

Re:Why Oracle? (0, Troll)

dildatron (611498) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999561)

Troll.

Don't waste your breath replying to this obvious troll.

Oracle because... (1)

feepcreature (623518) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999577)

In the corporate market, Oracle is far from irrelevant. For users (however unnecessarily) nervous about Open Source support, or those who require the heavyweight features of a mature RDBMS (there are still some things that MySQL & PostgreSQL can't do), Oracle may well be an approriate choice.

Sure, not every DB user needs these features, but neither Sun nor Oracle have been going after the "every user" market. Although it looks like Sun may be broadening its appeal a little here...

hh0h0h0h0h0hh0h (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999750)

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Sun is taking the same route as SGI (5, Interesting)

mikael (484) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999489)

Remember when the x86 workstations began to eat into SGIs bottom line? They responded with building x86 workstations. The same thing is happening to Sun. Their SPARC servers are not keeping up with x86 servers, just as SGI IRIX/MIPS workstations began to lag in performance.

Now before the slashdot crowd begins to scream "But hey! The Sun Fire V480 is really fast!", remember that it is $19,995.00 in the base configuration. You'll get 10 IBM rack servers for the same price. In a clustered enterprise situation 20 3GHz Xeon will perform better than 2 900MHz UltraSPARC. Especially if we are talking Java.

Just as SGI was faster in the absolute high-end, so is Sun. The E15k is a monster. For some very specialized applications, this may be the only way to go. But for the very large majority of systems being purchased, a simple x86 server will do, especially if you can cluster it. This is where Sun is loosing the grip. Earlier you had to have a SPARC machine for advanced enterprise computing. These days are over, just as you had to have a SGI to run 3D software.

Now they are competing head to head with Dell in the x86 arena. This is a bold move. Wonder how long they will last.

Excellent news! (-1)

Can it run Linux (664464) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999508)

Can they run Linux?

SGI didn't see the signs (1)

deanj (519759) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999525)

It wasn't building x86 stuff the wiped out SGI into what it is today. It was trying to build NT workstations, and not realizing they couldn't ride the graphics gravy train forever.

Yeess! This is the First Post, so suck it, bitch! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999550)

FP for me, knobgobblers!

Re:Yeess! This is the First Post, so suck it, bitc (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999603)

Firstus postus foreverus!

Way to rip off my schtick, there Jethro. ;-(

Re:SGI didn't see the signs (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999601)

Actually it was the incompetent management of Mr. Beluzzo who wanted to force feed NT down SGI's throats. SGI had long moved from the "graphics gravy train" and were making inroads in the Super and server markets. Mr. Belluzzo or whatever the spelling of his name is tried to move towards NT when SGI still had a technological lead, plust it made disasterours alliances with Microsoft (they gave tons of IP to Redmond for mere peanuts).

Incidentally Belluzo left SGI after almost running it to the ground, and jooined Microsoft right away, some people think that he was on M$ payroll even while he was destroying, er I mean managing SGI. Coincidende?

Every major company that has got in bed with M$ and based their business on NT offerings is either dead or dying: Intergraph, DEC, etc. etc..

Re:Sun is taking the same route as SGI (4, Insightful)

sisukapalli1 (471175) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999528)

SGI ditched their core IRIX. They started moving towards NT on their machines. So, the analogy does not apply directly here.

Furthermore, regarding competing with Dell in the x86 arena, the redhat/sun/oracle partnership has some chance of becoming stronger than redhat/dell partnership.

Well, we will have to wait and see. I think sun is a good company -- and teaming up with oracle and redhat can't be a bad move at this point.

S

Re:Sun is taking the same route as SGI (5, Informative)

phraktyl (92649) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999591)

I've actually been looking at Sun's new entry level servers, the v210 [sun.com] and v240 [sun.com] servers.

The v210 starts at $2,995US, and the large configuration, with 2 1Ghz UltraSparc IIIi processors, 2GB of RAM, 2 36GB 10,000RPM SCSI-III drives, and 4 10/100/1000 network intarfaces comes in at $5,795US. I've seen comparible x86-based servers for more than that.

Unfortunately... (4, Informative)

moogla (118134) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999780)

While it is a very cool system... (incl. the 4 network interfaces), 1 GHz UltraSparc IIIis are slow, and they don't have the extra benefit of tons of cache compared to the regular US3. The RAM is only SDRAM (still), and 72GB of space is paltry.

So, if you absolutely need a SPARCv9 architecture rackmount, this is the way to go. But featurewise it falls short of say an Altus 140 from Penguin Computing, or even a 1000E if you want 64-bit. And Peng. Comp. is expensive as far as that kind of thing goes.

That being said, the small Enterprises are quite cool, but they aren't as cost effective. It helps if your organization has a pre-existing agreement, and can get you a break.

Re:Sun is taking the same route as SGI (4, Interesting)

BWJones (18351) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999592)

Just as SGI was faster in the absolute high-end, so is Sun. The E15k is a monster. For some very specialized applications, this may be the only way to go. But for the very large majority of systems being purchased, a simple x86 server will do, especially if you can cluster it. This is where Sun is loosing the grip. Earlier you had to have a SPARC machine for advanced enterprise computing. These days are over, just as you had to have a SGI to run 3D software.

Actually, I am seeing a number of folks either 1) migrate to or 2) seriously consider Apple's Xserve for purposes sort of in-between. The Xserve runs UNIX, it is absurdly easy to manage, they are cheap, and give pretty good performance especially when code is optimized for Altivec. Add to that the power consumption (or rather lack thereof), and for large numbers of servers, the Xserve becomes even more attractive in terms of lower electricity and cooling costs.

Re:Sun is taking the same route as SGI (5, Insightful)

maitas (98290) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999619)

> In a clustered enterprise situation 20 3GHz Xeon will perform better than 2 900MHz UltraSPARC. Especially if we are talking Java.

Well... show me one real application benchmark (like SAP or ORACLE apps., not TPC-C) where 10 one CPU machines has 9x times the performance of single of those same machines and I belive your speach. Currently, there's now paralell database that supports massive inserts using more than 2 nodes.
Clearly http://c-jdbc.objectweb.org/ looks promising, but there's still the problem of "order by" queries, since eahc node will answer its own order and the final appended result won't be valid.
Latency is the name of the game, with Ethernet in 10s of miliseconds and memory in the 10s of nanoseconds, there will always be a huge penalty for sincronization through network.
There's alway ways to add throughput (http://geocities.com/feromus/db-scalability.html) but latency will always have to increase...

If the CPUs cost an fifth as much... (1)

moogla (118134) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999805)

but you have to buy 60% more to get the same performance scaling, then I think it's a reasonable inefficiency to live with.

Latency is a different beast, but the Opteron is looking might delicious in this area right about now. We've got some test systems coming in soon so we can compare and contrast.

Re:Sun is taking the same route as SGI (3, Insightful)

EinarH (583836) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999620)

Mod parent up, nail on head.

To me it looks like Sun x86 are competing with Sun SPARC with this move.
Who wants to buy a Sun Fire V240 [sun.com] at $6495 when they can this Sun Fire V65x [sun.com] at $4595?

Lets look at the specs:
V240 (SPARC),2U 2*1GHz UltraSPARC3, 1 MB Cache pr.CPU, 2 GB RAM max 8GB, 2 x 36 GB max 4, 4 x1Gb Ethernet, Solaris 8.

V65x (x86),2U 2*3GHz Xeon, 512 KB Cache pr.CPU, 1 GB RAM max 12GB, 1 x 36 GB, max 6, 2 x1Gb Ethernet, Solaris 9 or Linux.

Maybe the SPARC have better "troughput" for some applications, but it looks as if the V65x is better overall especially for CPU intensive tasks.

Since the volume of total SPARC CPU's will go further down as more Sun machines are sold with Intel CPU's they will become even more expensive.

...AND YOU WONDER WHY YOU'VE NEVER GOTTEN LAID? (-1)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999656)

Re:Sun is taking the same route as SGI (2, Interesting)

zrm8y5m02 (662887) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999682)

Sun has always been competing with itself - they are notorious for canibalizing its own sale with a new product. After all, it's not that surprising, considering that if they don't do it themselves, someone else will.

Re:Sun is taking the same route as SGI (4, Insightful)

u19925 (613350) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999696)

Not true. The SGI didn't have and still doesn't have IRIX on X86, so they couldn't migrate their customers successfully. If I am installing Linux or Windows on X86, why should SGI matter? On the other hand, if you need Solaris X86, it does matter. Thanks to SCO, Sun's importance is even higher. This is number one difference between DEC, SGI, HP migration to PC and Sun's.

SGI also didn't have SGI proprietary software installed free on their x86 boxes. OTOH, Sun includes StarOffice, JDK, App Server etc.

SGI was more expensive than Dell, HP etc... I just compared Sun offering and found that they are cheaper than even Dell.

SGI x86 hardware (initial) was proprietary. I remember stock Linux would not install on them. Sun hardware is same as rest of X86.

Why not.. Follow SGI (4, Funny)

acomj (20611) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999490)

Wow.. I mean it worked so well for SGI, its a wonder everyone doesn't realease servers like this..

Re:Why not.. Follow SGI (0)

cshark (673578) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999787)

Man, could the Sun logo on the top of it be any bigger? They might be hiring talented engineers to build these things, but someone should teach them the meaning of the word overkill.

This could make life easy for redhat users (5, Insightful)

sisukapalli1 (471175) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999502)

Having the latest versions JDK and also J2EE SDK built in with the system may mean that the Apache Tomcat/ant and other things will also come bundled with redhat (and most likely pre-configured just like mod_perl and mod_php).

A brand new installation of redhat can then run things like servlets, jsps, etc., just like we can now run mod_perl and all that without end users having to build and install it.

S

Re:This could make life easy for redhat users (1)

outsider007 (115534) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999532)

sure and when you think of it, when a distro already needs 5 cd's, what's one more?

Re:This could make life easy for redhat users (2, Informative)

chez69 (135760) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999546)

two of those CDs are source.

Re:This could make life easy for redhat users (1)

thomas.galvin (551471) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999680)

And a third is documentation, at least on the personal edition.

Re:This could make life easy for redhat users (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999705)

You only need the first CD unless you are installing non default stuff.
Personally I think it's great to bundle and support a lot of software, like Red Hat does.

Re:This could make life easy for redhat users (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999789)

Who cares about the number of software packages available by default, when they are free? Unless of course, Redhat has removed the Custom Install (which I'm sure they haven't) you aren't forced to install anything but the base system if you install Redhat.

Only 3 CDs are packages, the rest are sources, and IIRC the 3rd CD doesn't have any packages on it that are used in the default install.

Re:This could make life easy for redhat users (1)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999730)

The main reason I think Red Hat have not shipped Java before is that Suns JVM is not free. There is a free implementation of java in the form of gcj and GNU Classpath, I'm guessing that is not being used because this is a Sun-specific version of RHL.

Nonetheless, considering that they've indirectly funded the development of a free Java implementation, it's a pity it wasn't used.

Re:This could make life easy for redhat users (1)

greg_barton (5551) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999804)

Yes, and hopefully they'll follow some sane packaging standards like these [jpackage.org] found here [jpackage.org]

sun becomes a commodity vendor (2, Interesting)

havaloc (50551) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999504)

Let's see. Sun decides to release commodity hardware with the option to take commodity software, and charge a non-commodity price. So what makes Sun better than say, Dell, HP or the many other commodity vendors? Sun will be finished at this rate.

Re:sun becomes a commodity vendor (1)

irokitt (663593) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999544)

At least they don't have that damn power supply issue...

Re:sun becomes a commodity vendor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999602)

Price and especially the number of free softwares Sun gives out free with the server.

Re:sun becomes a commodity vendor (1)

zrm8y5m02 (662887) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999630)

This is obviously a troll. Did you ever bother to look at the price of the newly announced systems ? v60x and v65x servers are quite cheap even compared to Dell's similarly configured systems.

The One Vendor Solution (4, Insightful)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999718)

Folks like to stay on one vendor whenever possible, since it simplifies accountability issues. If you're buying big iron from Sun anyway, it may be worth picking up the mid-range and desktop from them as well. Chances are, that'd lower support costs, make it easy to find the phone number to call when something breaks and normalize quality of support. If Sun's support desk is better than Brand X (And I can tell you first hand that Brand X support sucks,) that alone might make it worth dropping a couple extra grand per machine for the brand name.

Of course, they will be trying to beat both Dell and IBM at their own game. SGI was at the last Linux Expo I went to (A few years back now) and during their presentation I was struck by the fact that they were trying to beat IBM at their own game, and I knew IBM was going to end up being the better player. Sun has more market share, extreme java expertise and a full range of machines to choose from, so I think they have a much better chance than SGI did.

Re:sun becomes a commodity vendor (5, Insightful)

teeker (623861) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999726)

Because not only is Sun competing with similar hardware, they are selling it for a good price. After owning examples from both manufacturers, I would bet on Sun's hardware quality (x86 or otherwise) over Dell's any day of the week. For the same price, I'll pick Sun every time.

HP/Compaq? They're in the same league as Sun (HW quality-wise), but just spot-checking one of their ProLiant servers against the v65 configured similarly, the Sun machine is a little cheaper (no OS selected on the Compaq). Close enough to consider both. Again, after working for a company that has owned both, I still lean towards Sun as far as general hardware goodness. Hopefully this new kit lives up to that reputation.

That's what makes Sun able to compete in this market. Good hardware at a competitive price. Obviously the rest of the "commodity vendors" find it worthwhile to be in business.

Open source businessmodel? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999507)

New open source businessmodel?
1: Write free software.
2: ?
3: Announce new x86 servers
4: Profit!

Who'd have thought? (1, Insightful)

prgrmr (568806) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999509)

that is would be Sun in need of RedHat and not the reverse? This could be the combination that breaks the Microsoft desktop hegemony, if Sun and Redhat market it correctly toward that end.

Re:Who'd have thought? (1)

deanj (519759) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999543)

How do you get that Sun needs RedHat? RedHat's the one adding Java to their distribution....

Re:Who'd have thought? (2, Insightful)

saintjab (668572) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999573)

How is this going to hurt the MS strangle-hold over the desktop environment? Neither SUN or RH could compete with MS for the desktop; why would the two together be any different? If the two were to partner up and dump huge amounts of capital into developing a more robust and usable desktop there may be a chance.. But I doubt seriously that this is their intention. This may put a ding in MSs armor, but it won't affect their overall control of the desktop arena. But that's just my worthless $0.02.

Re:Who'd have thought? (2, Interesting)

MAXOMENOS (9802) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999651)

This could be the combination that breaks the Microsoft desktop hegemony, if Sun and Redhat market it correctly toward that end.

Not in your lifetime. RH just isn't a good desktop distribution; Mandrake is much more polished and has fewer bugs. RH's real strength is in an enterprise envirionment. Similarly: Java is pretty weak for desktop apps (a survey of AWT, Swing and SWT should bear this out) but it's perfect for web interfaces and business logic.

The real fight is in the server world. Java + RedHat Linux is a winning combination, if they can get it right.

Why sell this product? (5, Insightful)

EriktheGreen (660160) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999511)

You'd think Sun would have learned their lesson from Sun Linux... people don't want a PC in Sun clothing any more than they want Linux with Sun logos all over it.

Now if they'd taken the Pentium or Opteron CPUs and designed a new architecture around them, using something like the Sun Fire Fireplane backplane, that would have been more interesting. As it is, these are just a rackmount PC in a purple case.

Erik

Re:Why sell this product? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999649)

people don't want a PC in Sun clothing

Actually, they do at the low end. They don't want any old Linux though : they want Red Hat because that's what all the major (non-free, enterprise class) applications are certified to run on. Big corporations don't want a PeeCee running Joe's Homebrew Linux to run Oracle. They want something that's certified and supported. That means Red Hat on big-name hardware with 24/7 support.

Shift in philosophy? (3, Insightful)

siskbc (598067) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999740)

You'd think Sun would have learned their lesson from Sun Linux... people don't want a PC in Sun clothing any more than they want Linux with Sun logos all over it.

Well, that's a little different in that Sun acutally admitted that their "distro" was basically Red Hat with Sun logos thrown everywhere. They came out and basically said that this was in fact the biggest change they made. So customers, naturally, will say "why the hell am I paying for this?"

On the other hand, if they can give some real value-add to the x86 architecture, then that might mean something. Service will be a part of that, as will hideously stable components, many of which I'm sure they'll design. So it could end up being a bit more than a rackmount PC. Although if it's being sold at a PC price-point, don't expect the world.

Though you do seem surprised that Sun is trying to pull and IBM and switch from the hardware market to more software and services. Advances in low-end processing power have made high-end server margins go 'poof.'

Let me clear my throat.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999521)

Obnoxiously loud in Apple Computers general direction. Please bring Mac OS X to x86, PLEASE!

Re:Let me clear my throat.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999539)

What is this mac os x? can it run the rapidly growing phenonemon known as linux?

Re:Let me clear my throat.... (0)

cshark (673578) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999803)

Linux? pokemon? spandex? what?

I have been contemplating (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999522)

Which requires more integrity as a troll. To acquire the infamous first post, or the lesser known third post? The first post requires a sharp eye kept on the main page and its happenings. One would also need an accurate count of twenty seconds and so forth. On the other hand, the third post, however un-first post like it may be in its initial declaration, seems to have the mark of true perspicacity in pressing that submit button. One must accurately make the judgement as to when make the third post to succinctly, and without error, obtain that third post primetime spot in the deluge of initial comments.

Didn't a company called VA Research try this? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999530)

... selling high-end x86 boxes, running an operating system written by high-school students?

Alright... (4, Insightful)

coene (554338) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999531)

Sun's value has always been that they provide the hardware (Sparc Stuff) and the software (Solaris Stuff) to make one, metal-bending, kickass high-powered, proprietary solution...

And now they are providing generic Intel hardware with generic Linux software to create the same solutions everyone else has...

Does Sun really want to go up against Dell?

Re:Alright... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999560)

Does Sun really want to go up against Dell?

No, but they are already up against Linux. I don't buy Sun any more and we get huge (~50%) educational discounts.

Where does HP fit (1)

asmithmd1 (239950) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999669)

So IBM has expensive hardware but excellant consulting business. Dell has the low end commodity business. HP bought Compaq's server business, but why would you buy an HP server? I see all these commercials for HP servers but I think, "yeah, so what? why does that require a HP server?" What do you think is HP in a good long term position? Does anyone use only HP? If you do why?

YES! (3, Interesting)

teeker (623861) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999770)

Try this game:

Go pick out any piece of Sun hardware and set it in the same rack as any comparable (??? well...you know what I mean...) piece of Dell kit. Fire them both up in their stock configs. First machine to suffer hardware failure loses.

hint: don't put your money on the Dell.

Sun's reputation for fantastic hardware will come in handy here. If they can sell in the same price league (and they can), they will be able to compete.

I'm Impressed (0, Flamebait)

Zebra_X (13249) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999537)

Sun has really figured out what the market needs! I'm mean, this is really innovative stuff! Oracle, Linux AND Sun's VERY OWN JVM that will run your Java Applications at 1/2 Speed!

You've got to be kidding me.

www.boo.com/sun

Re:I'm Impressed (0)

cshark (673578) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999817)

Yes, but it's purple. What's not to like?

New??? (3, Informative)

antarctican (301636) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999541)

Man, where are you guys been? We received a Request For Proposal to build a cluster from them almost two months ago and it had V60xs as the cluster nodes. In fact, I just called the rep to order the system on Friday.

Sweet boxes, I'm definately going to enjoy this new toy. And a lot sexier looking then IBM's proposal.

Re:New??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999642)

"Sweet...I'm definately going to enjoy... new toy. ... sexier looking"

So, Sun sent a sexier chick with some better toys than IBM? And she er the performance blows er I mean is a blast... :-)

SCNR;)

Some competition for the Xserve. (5, Funny)

madcoder47 (541409) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999553)

In other news, Scott McNealy was found deceased in his California home this morning after being bludgeoned with an Xserve. According to witnesses, there were two assailants, and one is known to have been wearing a Cashmere T-Shirt. This information was obtained from fiber samples obtained at the crime scene.

When asked to comment on the matter, Steve Jobs, CEO of Apple Computer Inc. responded "Look who's beleaguered now!"

ahHAH! (4, Funny)

Soko (17987) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999565)

A meeting betwixt SUN and RedHat:

SunGuy: Before we begin with all that Java licensing crap, please come over here and sign this document.
ShadowMan: What am I signing? If it's about our agreem-
SunGuy: NOPE! Don't worry, you'll really love this. Oh, and give me an American one dollar bill, too, k?
ShadowMan: K...*signs and forks over the $1* Now, WTF is going on here?
SunGuy*BigEvilGrin*: We just gave you a sub-license to our UNIX intellectual property for the sum of one dollar.
ShadowMan*BiggerEvilerGrin*: Really?!? Heh, "Fuck you verrry much, SCO"! Dude, that's just too much good work for one morning - LUNCH TIME!

Soko

A joke to be modded as funny (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999566)

Why did the chicken cross the road?
To be eaten by the huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge CowboyNeal.

Uh, Xeno? What about Opteron? (1)

Fefe (6964) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999572)

Yet another disappointment from Sun.

They keep using inferior PC technology so there are at least some minor benefits from SPARC left over to point at.

How disgusting.

Re: Opteron (1)

hendridm (302246) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999625)

> Uh, [Xeon]? What about Opteron?

Ummm, maybe they actually wanted to sell their hardware to the business crowd. They're silly that way.

I bet you could overclock it though and get away with only 2-3 industrial-sized exhaust fans. Check out the FPS on that, beeeyotch!

Re:Uh, Xeno? What about Opteron? (1)

AlgUSF (238240) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999715)

Yeah, with Opeteron, Sun could sell strictly 64-bit solutions, and act like Dell, HP, etc. are still in the dark ages of 32 bit computing.

Sun's new move... (2, Insightful)

bsdparasite (569618) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999595)

Sun's new move is good enough for them to get into the x86 server space. I don't think anyone at the enterprise level is replacing all their SPARCs quite yet, even though the average x86 user thinks that's the way to go for servers. And when enterprise users think of a good vendor to do hardware business with, they might as well go with Sun. I also don't believe all the hype that predicts the death of every other form of Unix other than Linux. Solaris is a solid platform, and will continue to be until Linux can perform SMP like Solaris, handle I/O banks like Solaris.

"Free your OS"

Doesn't this go against redhat's mantra? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999598)

..of shipping only 100% GPL software with their distro?

Red Hat produces more than one product... (2, Informative)

aksansai (56788) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999727)

Be mindful that Red Hat attempts to provide an array of software and services to their customer base - this includes the mainstream (read: free) distribution that contains GPL (or near-equivalent license) software.

Otherwise, Red Hat produces other distributions (like Advanced Server and Enterprise Server) that might contain proprietary (read: not so free) code and software that may require additional licenses.

The spirit is in open-source - but customer wishes also pay the bills.

Re:Doesn't this go against redhat's mantra? (1)

b17bmbr (608864) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999736)

only on their for download distro. but the enterprise stuff, there is lots of prop. software

Price Comparasion (5, Informative)

Deathlizard (115856) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999599)

IBM's 1U Server [ibm.com]
Sun's 1U Server [sun.com]

At least they are price competitive with IBM. I'm not too sure about Dell but it's a start.

Hmmm.... (1)

SomeOtherGuy (179082) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999609)

Dude, your gettin' s sun.

RedHat + Sun Java = w00t (4, Funny)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999627)

RedHat will also start shipping Sun's Java with their distribution

w00t. One less thing I have to do after install.

Re:RedHat + Sun Java = w00t (1)

repetty (260322) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999693)

Yeah, the Linux/Java situation has been ridiculous long enough.

Hmmm... anti-aliased fonts, Java...

Maybe this Linux thing will work on the desktop.

--Richard

Redhat abandons idealism ? (2, Interesting)

vinodh (221403) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999631)

Isn't this the same Redhat that refused to ship KDE because QT was not free software ?. When did java become Free Software ?

Stop the presses, misleading info... (4, Informative)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999685)

I just read the fine print [sun.com] ... Suns JVM will only ship on Red Hat's Enterprise Linux Product.

Maybe the beginning of the end...or maybe not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999636)

This bears all too much resemblance to SGI in the last few years. Sun ain't gonna be able to compete with Dell or HP/Compaq on price in the hardware market and still make a buck. It's the end of the line pretty soon....UNLESS:

If the big legal slam-dunk against Linux (with SCO acting as Microsoft's "beard", as The Register so aptly put it) actually works, Sun's "grandfathered" unlimited SVR4 license could make them just about the only game in town for those who aren't fond of Fisher-Price operating systems.

Sun cheaper than Dell? (3, Informative)

u19925 (613350) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999646)

for the first time, apple to apple comparison shows sun cheaper than dell. i selected sun v65 and tried identical system at dell. dell doesn't give 3.06 GHz in 2U rack, so i selected 2.8 GHz. This is 600 cheaper. However, Dell charges $600 for upgrade from 2.6 to 2.8, so their upgrade from 2.8 to 3.06 would have been higher than 600 (upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 is 200, 2.6 to 2.8 is 600). dell comes with customer installed RedHat Advanced Server while Sun comes with Solaris 9 and both are atleast comparable system (to be frank, RH profession is cheaper. but i am aware of several server apps which require RH AS patches and won't be certified on RH Pro).

Sun SDK to all Distros (1)

w42w42 (538630) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999650)

This has always bugged me about Sun and Java. Sun needs to get *ALL* Linux distros to ship their Java SDK (if not runtimes). You can bet that Mono will start to be a part of most distros, and as an implementation of .NET, a non-response from Sun would be akin to asking your kids to go play in the street.

this is going to be the end (0, Troll)

heff (24452) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999657)

i think sun is really struggling for cash, it takes a lot for a company like that to enter the already saturated server market with no real competitive advantage.

1 word (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999663)

EXPENSIVE!!!

I can build the same system for cheaper than that! Sun is going to have to learn to cut their damn prices considerably if they want to even stay in business.

Might help get x86 into Sun-only shops (5, Interesting)

djh101010 (656795) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999698)

I'm in a corporate environment where trying to get Linux or *BSD into the data center is an uphill battle. If the box comes from Sun, and runs Oracle, that makes that argument a whole lot easier for me. Even if it's more expensive than commodity hardware, they do have a deserved reputation for solid hardware, and I can use the logic that if Sun is willing to put their name on it, they're willing to back it up. I'm building a support system that's going to need it's own database; this box is worth looking into, for me.

Ahh, the final nail in the coffin called Sun. (2, Insightful)

LibertineR (591918) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999699)

I hope Sun notices the smoldering carcass of Silicon Graphics on the side of the road they are now traveling down. Happy to see that the death of this horribly managed beast is not too far off.

"Hey, not enough people are buying our most profitable hardware! Lets give them MORE reasons to think about buying something else!!!" - Scott McNeely.

Captain Ahab is not going to do down with the ship until he has managed to feed the White(Wintel) Whale his entire reason for being. Thank you, Scott. We hardly knew ya. I hope you Sun employees out there know how to tread water, and while you are at it, try to keep those resumes dry long enough to get them distributed.

Re:Ahh, the final nail in the coffin called Sun. (1)

teeker (623861) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999809)

"Hey, not enough people are buying our most profitable hardware! Lets give them MORE reasons to think about buying something else!!!" - Scott McNeely.

As opposed to sit on your laurels and wither away? The rest of the industry is not going to stop...to do nothing is certain death. Doing *something* may lead you to the same end, but you have to try.

Sun using Linux is good! (1)

Grrreat (584733) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999769)

Even if it RedHat GNU/Linux this is very good during this trying time we are going through. Way to go Sun and Redhat and Oracle too! :-) I love you GNU/Linux! Don't be hate'n.

Wow.... Java (2, Insightful)

Kurtv (558710) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999779)

Like it isnt easy enough to download it and unpack it on your own.....
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