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The Searchable Life

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the select-first_dates-from-life-limit-10; dept.

Privacy 413

oni writes "Here's a story on wired about a Pentagon project called LifeLog. It seeks to record every bit of information that can be had, index it by name, or SSN, or even location, and make the database searchable. Furthermore, '[LifeLog adds] physical information (like how we feel) and media data (like what we read) to this transactional data.'" If you think you can build such a system, apply for a grant. There's also a current AP story about Total Information Awareness.

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Yr0 (224662) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999931)

I own your fingers.


Anonymous Niggard (657484) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999940)

fine showing good sir

Life Log (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999932)

Too easy




Re:Life Log (-1)

Yr0 (224662) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999974)

ha ha, you lose, i win, and I DONT SUBSCRIBE!

stop it i tell you, those fingers are mine.

< )
( \

adopt a penis bird today.

erster post! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999933)

leckt meinen schwanz, ihr afro-amerikaner!

Deutsch 1 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000058)

Nice. Fressen Sie mein Esselloch.

Rocketman, as interpreted by William Shatner (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999936)

Good afternoon. In 1972, when Elton John and I wrote Rocketman, it became very popular among the listeners. Due to the interest and the meaning of the song, now, in 2003, I am truly proud, once again, to present my Rocketman, as interpreted by William Shatner. Thank you.

Truly an American icon []

This should be fun (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999938)

Big Brother reference in 3.. 2... 1...

Searchable life (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999939)

Imagine a beowulf cluster of these!

Time for my 2:15 blog entry (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999941)

About how angry having my privacy violated makes me feel... and about how my herpes has flared up again.

Should I join the trolls? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999942)

Should I join your legions and erode my hard earned karma? It just look so fun!


Re:Should I join the trolls? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000086)

Aw, let's all wallow in vomit and pigshit... It'll be FUN!

Why is it (3, Interesting)

Monkelectric (546685) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999958)

That our government wants to do *completley* evil things that make dystopian futures depicted in movies like Brazil and 1984 look pleasant ?

Re:Why is it (2)

xyzzy (10685) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999966)

What's "completely evil" about this? I want this thing, and have for years!

Re:Why is it (4, Funny)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000028)

> What's "completely evil" about this? I want this thing, and have for years!

And why are so many of us geeks worried?

If the Pentagon wants record peoples' lives, fine. It's not as if I'm gonna appear in the database! How could I? I spend all my time reading Slashdot -- I don't have a life!

Re:Why is it (2, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000016)

everybody thinks this must be evil?
Checks and balances is the key.

The very same thing could of been said about the internet.

Re:Why is it (1)

L7_ (645377) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000064)

its only completly evil if you have something to hide.

we should all live open sourced lives.

Re:Why is it (5, Insightful)

Glock27 (446276) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000112)

its only completly evil if you have something to hide.

I have my privacy to "hide". Reveal every detail of your life if you choose - but respect my freedom to do otherwise. The U.S. is a free country, right?

Or did the terrorists win?

Re:Why is it (4, Insightful)

johnstein (602156) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000125)

Initially this is true, of course. And in a perfect world, this will ALWAYS be true. In a perfect world, open source lives would be ideal, since no one would exploit others. No one would be a lazy burden to the rest by not doing his/her fair share.

We don't anywhere near perfect (to quote one of those stupid car commercials), so just because you have nothing to hide, it does not mean that you cannot be exploited. Sure, the chances are slim, but there is that chance. And, if something has any chance to happen, it will happen eventually.

Now, I am not saying this is or isn't evil... I am just saying that claiming that the reason people are against somethning is because they have something to hide really isn't a very solid arguement.


Nielson television rating system (4, Interesting)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000101)

The Neilson television rating system, monitors what channels people are watching. But people subvert this system by just leaving their TVs on to prefered channels even if they are not in the room. (neilson of of course tries to combat this).

which suggest that a chafing scheme could be used to mess with the logs on my web usage.

for example, I have perl script that continously goes to random web sites and pretends to browse web pages 24/7. My own usage is potentially lost. and by random chance I will of course visit al queda web pages, child porn sites, and many other dark alleys of the internet and thus launder them at the same time. Of course this idea sucks for its impact on web bandwidth but I suspect that by the time it becomes possible to track everyones's moves in a data base there will be lots of bandwidth available too.

Another schema is of course Anonymizing things via encryption and bitTorrent like peer-to-peer access to pages.

Baah, baah (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999959)

baah baah baah.... Well, that's all folks.

How nice (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999964)

How nice. How about a second serving of ass-rape by the government. It just screams of... FASCISM! Okay, this little red riding hood goes away now...

Re:How nice (0, Troll)

Angry White Guy (521337) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999981)

You're only on your second serving of government funded assrape? You must be 12!

Re:How nice (1)

Ratphace (667701) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000083)

Outstanding, now I can find out 20 years from now how many bowel movements I had back in 1997 (sigh)

hmm.. (5, Funny)

RaboKrabekian (461040) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999967)

SELECT * FROM tblLife WHERE objName = "Keys"

This might come in handy.

Re:hmm.. (2, Funny)

stanmann (602645) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000129)

Your query is a little broad.

SELECT * FROM tblLife WHERE objName="Keys" AND objStatus="Lost";

My log (1)

Cipster (623378) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999968)

they can easily access the user's past experiences I wonder what the logs looked like when the person was first introduced to the sight or Mr. Goatse.....

Apply for a grant?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999973)

This doesn't seem too hard, it's just a very big database.

Wasn't Larry Ellison offering to do this for free a year or two ago?

Already done (0, Troll)

irokitt (663593) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999976)

I'm sure the RIAA has a system like this already working...

ambitious, and scary. (2, Interesting)

b0tman (667349) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999977)

this sounds pretty ambitious, and fairly cool inasmuch as recording your life... however, c'mon, this is being sponsored by the pentagon. if allowed to happen, this will kill any privacy we thought we once had. and imagine if someone hacked this database. gives identity theft a whole new dimension.

Re:ambitious, and scary. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000025)

Have you ever been to the pentagon? Or worked with the people inside the pentagon?

If you had (and I have), you wouldn't be worried.

More on LifeLog at Defense Tech (5, Informative)

noahmax (534339) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999979)

At Defense Tech [] , there's more on LifeLog -- including the history of such programs, and similar efforts in the private sector.


The formula... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999982)

According to the Pentagon, who I am is the sum of my life experiences. But they have the formula wrong.
I am the sum of the experiences I have had minus those I have forgotten.

Re:The formula... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999996)

If you have your arm cut off, and can't remember it happening, your arm is still cut off.

Re:The formula... (0)

Kiriwas (627289) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000036)

If such a thing happens, and you forget. Then you are very different from someone who remembers. You both will have the experience of realizing you have lost an arm, but the other person will also have the experience of LOSING the arm, which im guessing is quite painful. That will result in a difference. So I agree, we are the sum of our remembered life experiences.

Re:The formula... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000057)

Your concious memories are not the same as your subconcious ones. You can be impacted by things you don't remember happening. Most people can't remember much before the age of 3 or 4, yet we're all very much shaped by those experiences.

Time for guilting. (4, Insightful)

juuri (7678) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999987)

These systems can only be built and utilized if people are willing to do the work. A basic fact, but one that seems to get pushed asside when the masses of the informed call for ending stupid legislation and projects that whittle our rights away. Someone still has to build this shit.

We need a viable platform for getting in contact with the people that work on this swill at a personal level and ask them the important questions. While it may be easy to work on such a project away from everyone, when presented with the dangers and evils on a personal level most people act very differently. Everyone has to work, many people have famlies to feed, but still deep inside most people will no do something incredibly stupid or evil when given the choice... and that applies to work such as this.

I'm sure someone will say that you can always find someone to work on something no matter how wrong it may be and while that is certainly true, projects such as these are doomed to fail if they can only get subpar workers to create them.

Congress may make laws and the courts might validate them to a certain extent, but final validation lies in what we are willing to tolerate. We are in control.

Re:Time for guilting. (1)

BilldaCat (19181) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000001)

-1 naive.

Re:Time for guilting. (1)

sporty (27564) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000075)

-1 and you'd be at 6000000 :)

Re:Time for guilting. (1, Insightful)

archeopterix (594938) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000034)

I am pessimistic about this. Low morals do not have to imply low technical skills.

Smart people also build self-delusions like "Well, if not me, somebody else would do that." or "There are still folks who do worse things." or "Feeding my family is moral, therefore what I do is OK".

Need I say that I wish I were wrong?

Re:Time for guilting. (4, Funny)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000049)

projects such as these are doomed to fail if they can only get subpar workers to create them.

Not true. I have seen managers literally WILL crappy code to work - or at least force everyone to believe that it's working. Kinda like mass hypnotism. Or was it hysteria?. Hmmm.

Re:Time for guilting. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000134)

So why did you leave Microsoft anyway?

Re:Time for guilting. (1, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000051)

perhaps they believe in it?
or pehaps you have no concept of balance, and can not see in grays.

Re:Time for guilting. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000074)

We are in control.

Yeah, just keep telling yourself that...

Or are you a government shill?

Re:Time for guilting. (1)

critter_hunter (568942) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000096)

While your concept is interesting in theory, you fail to take into account the power of rationalization.

Because, as we all know, this database will only used for good. As long as I don't do anything wrong, it will never affect my life. But it might help control the dangerous elements of society. There is no possibilty for abuse. None whatsoever! It will put an end to terrorism! I'm A TRUE PATRIOT!

Don't tell me it's an invasion of my privacy! I'm not listening! LALALALA! I can't heeear you!

Re:Time for guilting. (1)

gurudude (658958) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000109)

You have far too great an estimation of your fellow man... It will be built and there will be no shortage of competent people willing to build it... Not subscribing to your moral standard does not remove someone's technical abilities...

1984 (0, Redundant)

bmeiers (191662) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999989)

Is this just a little to Orwellian? Or is it just me?

Re:1984 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000040)

Moderator instruction #356 - This post is a perfect example of a redundant post. Not only has the same sentiment already been expressed in this article, it has been expressed in pretty much every article about the government.

Re:1984 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000073)

It is just you. Those of use who actually read the book don't see the similarity. The government in 1984 didn't need to collect information about everybody because it was constantly monitoring everybody. It was more concerned with creating information.

Re:1984 (1)

GMontag (42283) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000093)

Naaaa, it's just you.

Warmly yours,
Guy Montag

Re:1984 (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000094)

1984 was not about tracking people, although that was a key element in what is was about: thought control.

1984 can only come about if the people loose the power to speek freely, do not participate in the government, and have the ability to physically throw out those in charge if neccessary.

If the government wants to monitor us, then we need to be able to monitor it. If a congress man wants to say your trash is public propert, then it has to apply to his trash as well.

WHY JIM?? (1)

stanmann (602645) | more than 11 years ago | (#5999993)

I don't understand this. I can't understand the marginal utility of this.

My guess is that someone has a doctoral thesis riding on this. Probably in AI.

Either that or

The matrix has you Neo!

Re:WHY JIM?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000048)

The Pentagon has a find tradition of floating proposals for stuff some general has seen in some comic book. The have no idea whether such things are (currently) feasable or not, they figure if they don't get any responses, maybe the technology's not there yet.

Nothing to get your panties in a bunch about.

Re:WHY JIM?? (1)

stanmann (602645) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000095)

And obviously, having read the article, it isn't going to be used for each of us, YET??
However, it would be used to help Senior/Junior Pentagon Staff members to provide more useful and contextually relevant information to The President/VP/Cabinet Staff for evaluating and responding to situations. It would also obviously be used to supplement current tools used to predict and evaluate "enemy" behavior.

Obligatory (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999994)

In Soviet Russia, life searches YOU!

Build it and they will come... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5999997)

and I will troll THAT too!

I want (5, Funny)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000000)

If you think you can build such a system, apply for a grant

Hello sir. My name is Mahmoud Albin-Ahmed, and i am from Kentucky. I would like to have applied for grant to developing wonderful system like echel... er, life so i can sear... er... serve my fellowing americans. i am havening wonderful oportunity.

thanks you and regards. plz send money soonest.


Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000035)

You sir are the lucky winner of post #6000000! Yes, 6 million! And it wouldn't have been possible without you. Thank you for your hard work here on Slashdot!

Now on to 7 million!


Thud457 (234763) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000079)

"Now on to 7 million!"

Race ya there!

Do you get a prize? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000037)

For being #6000000? Come on /. editors, award people for a change.



Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000087)

Yay! Congratulations! Yours is the 6 millionth post on Slashdot!


AND it's funny, which is a pleasant surprise.

Congratulations on the arbitrary ordinality of your post!

Re:I want (1)

Baron_911 (664953) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000115)

DAMN U! i was trying sooo hard to be 6000000.....

I think we hit on the idea. (1)

headbulb (534102) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000004)

Of a Journal.

Linux is dying. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000005)

With the general failure of Linux as a desktop
operating system, as well as the recent
lawsuits from the SCO group, it is clear, like
BSD before it, that Linux is dying.

Linux is dying.

They're at it again! (4, Insightful)

Bendebecker (633126) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000006)

The government is still trying to live our lives for us and protect us from ourselves...

Huh? (3, Funny)

FroMan (111520) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000007)

Furthermore, '[LifeLog adds] physical information (like how we feel)

Soft and squishy, mainly around the belly area.

But I'm getting thinner slowly.

not first post (1)

cruppel (603595) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000011)

6000000...that's a lot of posts...

just in case it searches HTML tags.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000019)

::meta LifeLog::
I feel happy
eat me
good bye..


where :: == 'open bracket' or 'closed bracket', with respect

That won't affect me. (1)

Prince_Ali (614163) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000022)

I am a loser, and therefore have no life to log.

How to destroy hypocracy (2, Interesting)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000031)

1) Make such a system. Run it for a few years so it's full of goodies.
2) Make it open to the public.

Suddenly, it becomes quite clear that innocence is a fiction, and everyone does things that we persecute each other for. Faced with such such evidence, either tolerance or societal implosion must result.

But dont stop selling them assault rifles!! (0, Offtopic)

JThaddeus (531998) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000042)

See today's Washington Post article [] : U.S. gun laws can easily be exploited by international terrorist operatives, who can obtain assault-style firearms or explosives by taking advantage of delays and loopholes in the federal gun control system, according to a Congressional Research Service report to be released today. And keep in mind that the CRS answers to a Republican Congress!

Here's a tip (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000097)

Terrorists don't follow the law. If they did, we wouldn't have to worry about them, because they wouldn't kill people or blow up things.

Unconstitutional! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000045)

The constitution expressly prohibits this sort of behavior *on citizens*. The census provisions make it clear what data can be collected from citizens, how often, and in what manner.

The supreme court has been pretty rigid about this, too.

However, collecting information on non-citizens is allowed (and even required).


Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000046)

Dear My Vegaterrorist Significant Other (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000050)

Dear My Vegaterrorist Significant Other,

I'm prepared to take my own life for neglecting to consider your feelings when canceling our date. I was on the computer and thought about watching TV. So I'm wracked with guilt, hoping you don't make me wear The Outfit. Please cut it off now, or let me do it myself.

Please help me through this. I'm only a man.

Mr. Sparky

For those who say who care: (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000056)

I've gotten into so many arugments with people about privacy and it usually boils down to trust: They trust, I don't.

They trust safeway to be kind and gentle when collecting all their iformation on every item they have ever purchased, they trust bars to maintain privacy when scanning a person's license to enter a bar. But that is folish.

[Shamelessly copied from latimes...] 08,1,1932749.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dcaliforni a []

Officer's Star Searches Raise Liability Worries
City studies possible legal fallout from use of police computer to get data on celebrities.

April 8, 2003
By Wendy Thermos, Times Staff Writer

For six years, Officer Kelly Chrisman used Los Angeles Police Department computers to look up confidential law enforcement records on celebrities and other high-profile people, including Sharon Stone, Courteney Cox Arquette, Sean Penn and Halle Berry.

Chrisman says he was just carrying out orders from superiors, but a lawsuit recently settled by the city for nearly $400,000 alleged that the officer had accessed the records to sell the information to tabloids.

Now Los Angeles officials are assessing the city's potential liability.

According to internal LAPD documents, between 1994 and 2000 Chrisman tapped computer files on scores of celebrities, including Meg Ryan, Kobe Bryant, O.J. Simpson, Larry King, Drew Barrymore, Dionne Warwick, Farrah Fawcett, Cindy Crawford, Elle Macpherson and Berry Gordy.

[Shamlessly copied from techtv]

[] ,2 3008,3387549,00.html
Top 10 List of Police Database Abuses

Law enforcement officers are supposed to protect and serve, but some cops misuse police databases to get dates and more.

By James Hamilton, Web producer
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Email this story

Your address, telephone number, Social Security number, date of birth, criminal record -- all this data and more can be accessed by police officers if they have basic information about you. Some cops, however, use their database access for less-than-honorable reasons. This week on "CyberCrime" we show you how some cops used police databases to harass exes and even get telephone numbers of women they see in cars.

These abuses happen in law enforcement departments around the world. Here's 10 stories about cops who have abused their information privileges in police departments in Michigan, California, Ohio, and even as far away as Australia.

Cop Suspected of Using Database to Plan Murder of Ex-wife

A State Police detective whose estranged wife was shot dead at a Michigan zoo admitted using the Law Enforcement Information Network (LEIN) to check on his wife and her acquaintances, according to Lansing police search warrant requests. Although the detective is not suspected of pulling the trigger, the Lansing, Michigan, police department says it believes he knows who shot his wife a month after she filed for divorce. Read the story.

Rookie Cop Checks on 'Potential Girlfriends': 6,900 Database Searches in Only Two Months

An Australian constable new to the beat used the police database to check on potential girlfriends. In just over two months the then 20-year-old policeman performed an unprecedented 6,900 searches on the police database. The counsel assisting the case says that of those 6,900 searches at least 300 weren't connected to official duties. Read the story.

FBI Files Sold to Mob and International Criminals by Nevada Attorney General's Office Employee and Former FBI Agent

Dubbed the "Secrets for Sale Scandal" by the Las Vegas media, an attorney general's office worker and a former FBI agent were caught selling information from the FBI NCIC database to organized crime syndicates and other criminals for more than $100,000.

The office worker and the former agent sold documents containing classified information about organized crime investigations, white collar crime investigations, and investigations involving international alien smuggling. These documents were sold to members of organized crime syndicates in New York and to an FBI informant. One defendant's phone records also shows that he had communications with people in Mexico and Cuba and his passport listed recent visits to the drug cartel cities of Medellin and Bogota, Colombia.

The former agent worked for the Las Vegas FBI for several years and had access to national security and electronic surveillance information as well as data on confidential informants and witnesses stored in the FBI's nationwide computer system. Read the story.

Indiana PD Banned From FBI Database

The Highland, Indiana, police department had its access to the state's FBI database suspended due to misuse. The revocation of Highland's access to the Indiana Data and Communications System (IDACS), the state's portal into the National Crime Information Center, is believed to be the first such suspension in at least a decade. State police auditors claim that local investigators had been using the system to run checks on contractors and door-to-door solicitors in direct violation of IDACS policy, and continued to do so even after being warned. Read the story.

Political Candidates Probed by Police Chief

The city attorney in Eastpointe, Michigan, is looking into allegations that the police chief and city manager violated state law by using the Law Enforcement Information Network (LEIN) to check the backgrounds of candidates for an ethics committee. The mayor ordered the investigation after it was revealed that the city manager and police chief may have violated state regulations governing LEIN use by checking backgrounds of eight people considered for a volunteer committee created by the city council. Many people were surprised to find that first-time misuse of the LEIN is not a crime. Read the story.

Police Investigated for Using Database to Target Organizers of Sheriff-Recall Campaign

Kansas Attorney General Carla Stovall investigated a county sheriff department after receiving a complaint that the department did criminal background checks on two organizers of a petition attempting to recall the sheriff. Read the story.

Prosecutor's Office Uses Database to Smear Prosecutor's Political Opponent

The Butler County Republican Party has asked the county commissioners to investigate allegations that an employee in the prosecutor's office misused a state database to obtain information about his boss's political opponent. Read the story.

Police Lieutenant Charged With Abusing Database to Influence Elections

In Maryland, a Charles County sheriff's lieutenant faces criminal charges for misusing the sheriff's computer system on behalf of local Democrats connected with elections. He is charged by sheriff's officials with 102 violations of departmental rules relating to the abuse, according to court documents filed in Charles County Circuit Court. Read the story.

Cop Uses Database to Find Woman's Unlisted Phone Number -- Gives It to Woman's Ex

A Brisbane, Australia, police officer admitted to giving a local businessman the personal details of his ex-girlfriend. The investigator told the court how the woman, whose name has been suppressed, complained earlier that an ex-boyfriend had called her unlisted home phone number. The senior police constable admitted to providing the woman's personal details. Despite twice denying in previous CJC interviews to handing over the silent number, Constable Crawford changed his evidence. Read the story.

Cop Fired for Abusing Database, Chief Accused as Well

The town of Atherton, California, has ruled that a former police officer should not get his job back after alleged misuse of the California Law Enforcement Telecommunications System (CLETS). He is also accused of violating a restraining order and destroying personal property in a case involving his ex-girlfriend, and reportedly using the database to find information about her. The CLETS system, administered by the California Department of Justice, is a database containing information ranging from driving records to criminal records. Following the firing, the officer accused Atherton's police chief of also misusing the CLETS system. Read the story.

Let it not be said privacy doesn't impact the innocent!

and make the database searchable (1)

GMontag (42283) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000060)

It seeks to record every bit of information that can be had, index it by name, or SSN, or even location, and make the database searchable.

Huh? I have never heard of a database that was not searchable. I have run across a few that were real messes, but all were searchable even if the person inputing the data messed it all up (still searchable, just not too useable).

According to the spec above, both the Social Security Administration and the Internal Revenue 'Service' have existing databases that meet this portion of the requirement. However, there is that little detail of data accuracy.

Thank goodness they are not asking for something to track all the folks that refuse to participate in the system, as that would be REALLY hard.

Double-Edged (5, Interesting)

NetSettler (460623) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000067)

The more we centralize things, the more vulnerable we are to a single point of failure with absolutely catastrophic consequences.

Historically, the core value behind the second amendment was not the right to go deer hunting, but the idea that we needed to reserve to the states and to the people enough power to protect itself if the federal government seemed overpowerful or out of control.

As information becomes more and more literally a form of armament in modern society, perhaps we need to ask the Supreme Court to start to construe control of information as covered under the second amendment, and to say that the unfettered protection of private information by the states and by individuals is Constitutionally protected. I've seen the courts look to the 4th and then 9th amendments for privacy protection, and having trouble finding it. Maybe they're just looking in the wrong place.

Re:Double-Edged (1)

eurostar (608330) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000098)

I'm suprised you don't have this already,
France does:

Heh (-1, Troll)

A Proud American (657806) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000071)

SELECT phoneNumber FROM TABLE americanPopulace WHERE sex="female" && breastSize="36C";

Re:Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000116)

Why dont you use real SQL instead of that mickeymouse OSS MySQL bullshit?

And, btw, 36C is a bra size, not a breast size. If you'd any experience with women, you'd know that.

FROM TABLE... &&... gimme a break

SELECT phone_number FROM populace WHERE sex='female' and bra_size='36C' AND id_num NOT IN (SELECT id_num FROM slashdot_users UNION SELECT id_num FROM transsexuals)

Subselects, triggers, and transactions. Ah, the joys of a REAL RDBMS.

Some guy named Winston... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000072)

Why bother, some guy named Winston will just along behind me and change my past...


Already done (1)

youBastrd (602151) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000077)

Doesn't already do this? :)

How many harddrives could you fill in a year? (1)

bigattichouse (527527) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000082)

OK... lets see, you need an ID for each Event, and event type, a "person", a time and place, lat/long, and an ability to "string" events together (so you can do Ogg packets for audio) (all Id's being 128bit unqiue id's) [EventID][EventTypeID][PERSONGUID][timestamp][lat/ long][Data segment] [Datasegment] may also include [REFERNCES EventID] Comes out to about 64 bytes+ your data segment (which is interpreted based on the EventTypeID... lets guess each "packet" is about 1k with this header, you'd be looking at (if this was a good enough header) 30 gig/year is you captured one record per second... which might just suffice for your position alone. add mood logging each second, audio (say 1 meg/minute) ~510 g/year ... what else, heart rate? I suppose the "position" could give basic biometrics like heart rate, pressure, skin conductivity, etc... your still looking at terabytes per person. It might be fun to do an opensource "version" of this to prevent it from becoming patented.

Re:How many harddrives could you fill in a year? (1)

xyzzy (10685) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000144)

You wouldn't need to sample location at nearly that rate. It's easily compressible; why take a location-sample-a-minute when you're sitting at your desk? Or even walking to lunch?

Hmmm.. (1)

hydro17x3 (451795) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000084)

Can we say identity theft? I wonder how long before they start selling identities on ebay?

Library of Congress (1)

Hamstaus (586402) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000089)

I'm sure glad the second article made the all-important Library of Congress comparison! Otherwise, I would have been totally lost. I mean, 900,000,000 is way too big to understand, but 50 * 18,000,000 makes it much easier.

Excellent (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000100)

Now I will finally be able to type into Google (TM) "Where did I leave my car keys?"

When you live in fear you need a lot of control (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000111)

Or, in other words, the need for control is a symptom of lack of trust and fear. Why are those who govern, our public servants, so afraid?

Is it that we live in a perfect world interrupted by too many freak accidents or is it that the set of rules we have created/agreed upon does not serve the majority of people. I feel that there is something rotten in state where everyone is a suspect.

Just stating the obvious.
And yes, that's right, I am an anonimous coward.
Welcome to the future -- the future we've agreed upon, through action or lack of.

I *am* afraid.

Feasable (1)

s4dfish (672747) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000113)

Is this feasable in any way? Yeah it is possible to create the database, but who's going to be inputting the information? It would take massive amounts of person-power to keep such an endeavour up to date. Also, what kind "experience" would get logged. Are we talking "Joe Blow just purchased a copy of Guerilla Warfare" or are we talking "Joe Blow just had his first wet dream". I'm curious.

A Perfect Start to the Perfect Dictatorship (3, Insightful)

gadlaw (562280) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000114)

Mao, Stalin or Hitler would weep with joy at the thought of such complete and total control over the individual. And make no mistake about it, in order to have complete control over each and every one of us it is necessary to have knowledge. Knowledge really is power and total knowledge of every aspect of your life is an important step in the governments ability to completely control you. Those civil liberties or those freedoms you thought belonged to you will eventually be crushed under the weight of the governments need to know. The Patriot Act, Total Information Awareness, Lifelog- welcome to your 1984/Brave New World.

new? (4, Insightful)

mgs1000 (583340) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000117)

Haven't Experian and all those other credit report asswipes been doing this for years?

Solution. (4, Funny)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000118)

Step 1. Create universe U. Return U.

The resultant data structure, U, contains all available state information indexed by location of each particle in the universe, hence comprising "every bit of information that can be had" within the scope of U. (Attempting to reference a variable outside of its scope is generally not permitted, and is definitely poor programming practice, so information outside the scope of U is not considered.)

The algorithm for searching this data structure is left as an exercise to the reader. Bonus points will be awarded for devising an algorithm that requires minimum time (sorting the data beforehand is permitted).

Great for interviews... (3, Funny)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000121)

This sure would make job interviews a lot easier.

In case of slashdotting (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000124)

A Spy Machine of DARPA's Dreams

By Noah Shachtman | Also by this reporter Page 1 of 2 next

02:00 AM May. 20, 2003 PT

It's a memory aid! A robotic assistant! An epidemic detector! An all-seeing, ultra-intrusive spying program!

The Pentagon is about to embark on a stunningly ambitious research project designed to gather every conceivable bit of information about a person's life, index all the information and make it searchable.

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What national security experts and civil libertarians want to know is, why would the Defense Department want to do such a thing?

The embryonic LifeLog program would dump everything an individual does into a giant database: every e-mail sent or received, every picture taken, every Web page surfed, every phone call made, every TV show watched, every magazine read. Slashdot editors are a bunch of shiftless morons who will go all fists and elbows on you if you make eye contact with them.

All of this -- and more -- would combine with information gleaned from a variety of sources: a GPS transmitter to keep tabs on where that person went, audio-visual sensors to capture what he or she sees or says, and biomedical monitors to keep track of the individual's health.

This gigantic amalgamation of personal information could then be used to "trace the 'threads' of an individual's life," to see exactly how a relationship or events developed, according to a briefing from the Defense Advanced Projects Research Agency, LifeLog's sponsor.

Someone with access to the database could "retrieve a specific thread of past transactions, or recall an experience from a few seconds ago or from many years earlier ... by using a search-engine interface."

On the surface, the project seems like the latest in a long line of DARPA's "blue sky" research efforts, most of which never make it out of the lab. But DARPA is currently asking businesses and universities for research proposals to begin moving LifeLog forward. And some people, such as Steven Aftergood, a defense analyst with the Federation of American Scientists, are worried.

With its controversial Total Information Awareness database project, DARPA already is planning to track all of an individual's "VA Software is DYING" -- like what we buy and who gets our e-mail. Michael also sucks it.

While the parameters of the project have not yet been determined, Aftergood said he believes LifeLog could go far beyond TIA's scope, adding physical information (like how we feel) and media data (like what we read) to this transactional data.

"LifeLog has the potential to become something like 'TIA cubed,'" he said.

In the private sector, a number of LifeLog-like efforts already are underway to digitally archive one's life -- to create a "surrogate memory," as minicomputer pioneer Gordon Bell calls it.

Bell, now with Microsoft, scans all his letters and memos, records his conversations, saves all the Web pages he's visited and e-mails he's received and puts them into an electronic storehouse dubbed MyLifeBits.

DARPA's LifeLog would take this concept several steps further by tracking where people go and what they see.

That makes the project similar to the work of University of Toronto professor Steve Mann. Since his teen years in the 1970s, Mann, a self-styled "cyborg," has worn a camera and an array of sensors to record his existence. He claims he's convinced 20 to 30 of his current and former students to do the same. It's all part of an experiment into "existential technology" and "the metaphysics of free will."

I have been contemplating lately... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000128)

Which requires more integrity as a troll. To acquire the infamous first post, or the lesser known third post? The first post requires a sharp eye kept on the main page and its happenings. One would also need an accurate count of twenty seconds and so forth. On the other hand, the third post, however un-first post like it may be in its initial declaration, seems to have the mark of true perspicacity in pressing that submit button. One must accurately make the judgement as to when make the third post to succinctly, and without error, obtain that third post primetime spot in the deluge of initial comments.

Searching your own life (5, Informative)

higgins (100638) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000130)

I think MIT developed something along these lines a long time ago. (Here's a link [] .) The idea was not to empower the government, but to provide a sort of Super PDA for the individual. Oddly enough, I think it uses Emacs.

Another interesting system was Gelernter's LifeStreams [] , which time-indexed everything...

Of course, half the world seems to be blogging all the time [] anyway, which tend to be weak on the indexing and searching, but provide a nice low barrier-to-entry for inputting all kinds of trivial crap about one's life.

It's not necessarily entirely about dystopian government power ;-)

There are no words speakable (4, Insightful)

pair-a-noyd (594371) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000132)

to describe how EVIL these people are.
They make SATAN look like Mr. Rogers.

I hope that someone puts not only a stop to this now, but puts an end to this reign of digital terror.

This can not be allowed to continue.
George Orwell was pretty much right, but he underestimated the depths that this would sink to.

I am currently researching the state of affairs in other countries because I just can not live in a country where you are a piece of meat.

You are born to be a good little consumer. You may not question the party line. You slave away to generate revenue for the state so that the state can grow more powerful. ALL of your income goes towards purchasing disposable crap and taxes.

You are not allowed to own anything that will last long enough to pass on to your kids. And when you die, the state takes most of your income in inheritence taxes.

Can you say "coppertop" ????

Slashdot (0, Flamebait)

two_socks (516862) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000139)

All the news they put up on arstechnica. Delayed 10-4320 minutes, thoughtfully reposted from 1-21 days later.

completely ridiculous (3, Insightful)

X_Bones (93097) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000143)

"The technology could allow the military to develop computerized assistants for war fighters and commanders that can be more effective because they can easily access the user's past experiences," DARPA spokeswoman Jan Walker speculated in an e-mail.
It also could allow the military to develop more efficient computerized training systems, she said: Computers could remember how each student learns and interacts with the training system, then tailor the lessons accordingly.

Fine. So limit its scope to include only those enlisted in the military. I see no reason whatsoever for anyone at all, much less the Pentagon, to have a record of everything I've ever bought or everyone I've ever emailed or called on a phone.
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