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Chimps Belong in Human Genus?

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the party-crashing dept.

Science 928

Bradley Chapman writes "I found this interesting story from Discovery News about our ties with chimpanzees. Excerpts: 'Chimpanzees share 99.4 percent of functionally important DNA with humans and belong in our genus, Homo, according to a recent genetic study. Scientists analyzed 97 human genes, along with comparable sequences from chimps, gorillas, orangutans and Old World monkeys (a group that includes baboons and macaques). The researchers then took the DNA data and estimated genetic evolution over time. They determined that humans and chimps shared a common ancestor between 4 and 7 million years ago. That ancestor diverged from gorillas 6 to 7 million years ago.'" Genus is the next step up from species, if you recall your taxonomy. Humans are the only living species in genus homo, currently.

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CmdrTaco explains new moderation option (-1, Offtopic)

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YourMissionForToday (556292) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000503)

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But (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000507)

Re:But (-1, Offtopic)

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COWBOYNEAL YOU FAT FUCK!! Lolololl!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000689)

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A fine heritage (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000508)

THE PINEAPPLE has served as both a food and a symbol throughout the human history of the Americas. Originally unique to the Western Hemisphere, the fruit was a culinary favorite of the fierce Carib Indians who lived on islands in the sea that still bears their name.

Indian Migration and Commerce
The presence of pineapples on Caribbean islands was not a natural event, but rather the result of centuries of indian migration and commerce. Accomplished dugout canoe navigators, the maritime tribes explored, raided and traded across a vast expanse of tropical oceans, seas and river systems. The herbaceous plant they called "anana," or "excellent fruit," originally evolved in the inland areas of what is now Brazil and Paraguay and was widely transplanted and cultivated. Highly regarded for its intense sweetness, the "excellent fruit" was a staple of indian feasts and rites related to tribal affirmation. It was also used to produce Indian wine.

Christopher Columbus
The first encounter between a European and a pineapple occurred in November, 1493, when Christopher Columbus, on his second voyage to the Caribbean region, lowered anchor in a cove off the lush, volcanic island of Guadaloupe and went ashore to inspect a deserted Carib village. There, amidst parrot-flecked jungle foliage and wooden pillars spiraled with serpent carvings, his crew came upon cook pots filled with human body parts. Nearby were piles of freshly gathered vegetables and fruits, including pineapples. The European sailors ate, enjoyed and recorded the curious new fruit which had an abrasive, segmented exterior like a pine cone and a firm interior pulp like an apple.

Renaissance Europe
The Renaissance Europe to which Columbus returned with his discoveries was a civilization largely bereft of common sweets. Sugar refined from cane was a rare commodity imported at great cost from the middle east and orient. Fresh fruit was also a rare item; orchard-grown fruit being available in only limited varieties for brief periods of time.

Pineapple: Treat of Kings
In such a gastronomic milieu, reports and later samples
of the New World's pineapple--whose ripe yellow pulp literally exploded natural sweetness when chewed--made the fruit an item of celebrity and curiosity for royal gourmet and horticulturist alike. Despite dogged efforts by European gardeners, it was nearly two centuries before they were able to perfect a hothouse method for growing a pineapple plant. Thus, into the 1600s, the pineapple remained so uncommon and coveted a commodity that King Charles II of England posed for an official portrait in an act then symbolic of royal privilege -- receiving a pineapple as a gift.

Pineapples and Colonial America
Across the ocean, the pineapple took on other symbolic meanings in England's American colonies. The colonies were then a land of small, primitive towns and settlements where homes served as the hubs of most community activity. Visiting was the primary means of entertainment, cultural intercourse and news dissemination. The concept of hospitality--the warmth, charm and style with which guests were taken into the home--was a central element of the society's daily emotional life.

Creative Food Display in Colonial America
Creative food display--the main entertainment during a formal home visit--was a means by which a woman declared both her personality and her family's status. Within the bounds of their family's means, hostesses sought to outdo each other in the creation of memorable, fantasy-like dining room scenes.
At such feasts, tabletops resembled small mountain ranges of tiered, pyramided and pedestaled foodstuffs often drizzled and webbed in sugar, studded with china figurines, festooned with flowers and interwoven with garlands of pine and laurel. Dinners were extravaganzas of visual delights, novel tastes, new discoveries and congenial conversation that went on for hours.

Rare Pineapple: King of Colonial Fruits
While fruits in general--fresh, dried, candied and jellied--were the major attractions of the community's appetite and dining practices, the pineapple was the true celebrity. Its rarity, expense, reputation and striking visual attractiveness made it the ultimate exotic fruit. It was the pineapple that came to literally crown the most important feasts: often held aloft on special pedestals as the pinnacle of the table's central food mound.

The Colonial Pineapple Trade
Ships brought in preserved pineapples from Caribbean islands as expensive sweetmeats--pineapple chunks candied, glazed and packed in sugar.
The actual whole fruit was even more costly and difficult to obtain. Wooden ship travel in the tropics was hot, humid and slow, often rotting pineapple cargoes before they could be landed. Only the speediest ships and most fortuitous weather conditions could deliver ripe, wholesome pineapples to the confectionery shops of cities such as Boston, Philadelphia, Annapolis and Williamsburg.

A hostesses's ability to have a pineapple for an important dining event said as much about her rank as it did about her resourcefulness, given that the street trade in available fresh pineapples could be as brisk as it was bitchy. So sought after were the prickly fruits that colonial confectioners sometimes rented them to households by the day. Later, the same fruit was sold to other, more affluent clients who actually ate it. As you might imagine, hostesses would have gone to great lengths to conceal the fact that the pineapple that was the visual apogee of their table display and a central topic of their guests' conversation was only rented.

Pineapple as Hospitality Symbol
In larger, well-to-do homes, the dining room doors were kept closed to heighten visitors' suspense about the table being readied on the other side. At the appointed moment, and with the maximum amount of pomp and drama, the doors were flung open to reveal the evening's main event. Visitors confronted with pineapple-topped food displays felt particularly honored by a hostess who obviously spared no expense to ensure her guests' dining pleasure.

In this manner, the fruit which was the visual keystone of the feast naturally came to symbolize the high spirits of the social events themselves; the image of the pineapple coming to express the sense of welcome, good cheer, human warmth and family affection inherent to such gracious home gatherings.

Pineapple as Artistic Motif
It is hardly surprising that this communal symbol of friendship and hospitality also became a favorite motif of architects, artisans and craftsmen throughout the colonies. They announced the hospitality of a mansion with carved wood or molded mortar pineapples on its main gate posts such as those shown here at a home in historic Haddonfield, New Jersey.

Carved wooden pineapple gate posts an a home in Haddonfield, N.J.

They incorporated huge copper and brass pineapples in the weather vanes of their most important public buildings. They sculpted pineapples into door lintels; stenciled pineapples on walls and canvas mats; wove pineapples into tablecloths, napkins, carpets and draperies; and cast pineapples into metal hot plates. There were whole pineapples carved of wood; pineapples executed in the finest china kilns; pineapples painted onto the backs of chairs and tops of chests.

Tabletop Whimsy
Whimsical pineapple shapes and interpretations became a ubiquitous form for "fun" food creations and general table decorations throughout the 1700 and 1800s. There were pineapple-shaped cakes, pineapple-shaped gelatine molds, candies pressed out like small pineapples, pineapples molded of gum and sugar, pineapples made of creamed ice, cookies cut like pineapples and pineapple shapes created by arrangements of other fruits. There were also ceramic bowls formed like pineapples, fruit and sweet trays incorporating pineapple designs, and pineapple pitchers, cups and even candelabras.

During the last century, the art of food display centered around the pineapple has faded to a quaint craft now largely associated with the making of certain kinds of Christmas decorations. These holiday fabrications are one of the few vestiges of an era when all life literally revolved around the dining room table; a less complicated era that left us the enduring icon of the colonial pineapple, a truly American fruit symbolizing our founding society's abiding commitment to hospitality as well as its fondest memories of families, friends and good times.

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Bogus (5, Insightful)

inertia@yahoo.com (156602) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000512)

Chimpanzees share 99.4 percent of functionally important DNA with humans and belong in our genus, Homo, according to a recent genetic study. Scientists analyzed 97 human genes, along with comparable sequences from chimps, gorillas, orangutans and Old World monkeys (a group that includes baboons and macaques).

We've only fully mapped the human genome so far. I bet if we fully mapped the chimp genome, we'd see many many more entries in the diff log than we thought.

Re:Bogus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000559)

I bet if we fully mapped the chimp genome, we'd see many many more entries in the diff log than we thought.

I'd hate to see that thing in a colored cvsweb diff!

Re:Bogus (0)

cshark (673578) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000674)

Oh come on. Anyone who reads /. could tell you we're all just a bunch of monkeys. This confirms it.

Bogus indeed (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000568)

I'm glad to hear the society of professional biologists ring in on this one and... wait... oh, nevermind, it's just an idiotic troll who doesn't have the slightest idea what he's talking about. Nevermind...

Re:Bogus indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000662)

Yes, that's it. Mod down, then log out and post anonymously. Way to go, bucko. Too bad he's getting modded up.

Re:Bogus indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000687)

haha, actually I didn't mod, and I don't have an account. Looks like everyone is making faulty assumptions around here, bucko. Way to go, keep the horseshit pumping.

Re:Bogus (3, Interesting)

jdray (645332) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000688)

Agreed. Another question, one they didn't address, is how far removed from other apes we are. 99.4% of a couple quadzillion genes still leaves a lot of genes that define us as humans. And if an orangutan is 89.7 % (an arbitrary number on my part) the same as a human, that speaks somewhat to the relativity of the 99.4% number of the chimp. Also, how far off are we from one another?

Having said all that, I think that all the ape species deserve somewhat more respect than we've been giving them...

Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000513)

Who cares about this arbitrary decision? All we're doing is moving letters around, after all.

They're definitely in the same genus as... (5, Funny)

3waygeek (58990) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000518)

George W. Bush [bushorchimp.com]

Too much X-Men (0, Offtopic)

Rura Penthe (154319) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000519)

Humans are the only living species in genus homo, currently.

Looks like michael has been spending a little too much time with the comic books again. ;)

Re:Too much X-Men (0, Flamebait)

Horny Smurf (590916) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000651)

well, michael isn't a genius, but he makes up for it by being a homo.

fp? eat my dust bitches! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000523)

FP!

This is all an illusion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000526)

The Matrix has u .... And also the chimps ...

what about dogs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000527)

Humans are the only living species in genus homo, currently.

not according to this [geocities.com] South Park episode.

Well, I'll be... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000529)

A monkey's uncle.

This is news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000531)

I thought this information was known for quite some time.

Anyway, here are many more links on the subject. [google.ca]

Dumb (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000532)

Wolves are genetically identical to Dogs. You can't tell the difference (Hence the bizzarre laws used against wolf/dog hybrids). But I don't see anyone pushing to call a wolf a dog, do you?

This is just plain stupid. And so are the people who are backing it.

Re:Dumb (1)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000602)

But wolves and dogs both belong to the genus canis, so no change needs to be made.

Sounds pretty analogous to me.

Re:Dumb (1)

cens0r (655208) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000607)

well scientifically speaking their species is the same... they have the same latin name for both wolves and dogs, with the dogs existing as a subspecies. Not everyone has accepted this new naming yet.

Re:Dumb (1)

liquidsin (398151) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000627)

Seems to me that dogs and wolves both belong to the genus "canis". Why can't humans and chimps be of the same genus?

Re:Dumb (1)

EnderWiggnz (39214) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000656)

mostly because it would piss off xtian fundies who cant grasp the reality of evolution.

Re:Dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000638)

I think its closer to say calling a dog a wolve. Then again, aren't wolves and dogs in the same genus anyway? As far as I can remember... they're just different species.

Re:Dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000643)

Dumb is right. Your analogy, that is. You're confusing common names, species and genus and pretending it's all the same thing.

Re:Dumb (1)

narcolepticjim (310789) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000649)

Dogs and wolves are in the same genus, Canis, along with various jackals and coyotes.

Did you intend to prove their point for them, or were you merely showcasing your own stupidity?

Re:Dumb (1)

pyrosoft (44101) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000658)

wolf = Canis lupus
dog = Canis familiaris

The genera diverged thousands of years ago when domestication and breeding began. They share many of the same genes, but are not genetically identical. A good but not perfect analogy is between humans and mice. Similar, but not identical genes.

So now... (1, Funny)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000533)

A new insult: "You're the other kind of homo."

(sorry, couldn't resist)

I toast to our family reunion (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000538)

*throws feces*

Re:I toast to our family reunion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000614)

funny. i laugh

Check before you post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000541)

Sorry GNU/chimps only allowed here, check before you post.

As if it wasn't bad enough... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000542)

Humans are the only living species in genus homo, currently.

Feeding the trolls again are we Michael?

I feel enlightened.. (4, Funny)

knightinshiningarmor (653332) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000544)

This explains so many of /. readers' behaviors. Understanding CowboyNeal has gone a step further.

Great! (2, Funny)

Psychic Burrito (611532) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000548)

The repulicans will like this... Another 50 million that pay taxes... Oh, "taxonomy" is something else... sorry!

No, they'll hate it... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000669)

everybody knows Republicans hate homos.

Re:Great! (-1, Offtopic)

NixterAg (198468) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000693)

Ummmm....it's the Republicans who are CUTTING taxes. Not sure what rectal cavern you pulled that comment out of.

Re:Great! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000700)

Oh that's right, it's not like Republicans are lowering taxes right now. It's your lovely Democrats that want control over YOUR money.

Lancelot Link (0, Offtopic)

tinrobot (314936) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000549)

So, does this mean they have to pay royalties to the chimp who played Lancelot Link?

Why not (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000553)

There are already plenty on chumps in it already

Seeing sysops out there... (1)

sw155kn1f3 (600118) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000555)

I have no doubt...

IM all for including some chimps in the human cat. (5, Funny)

Unknown Poltroon (31628) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000560)

But that on the condition that i can downgrade some humans to monkey.

More importantly.. (-1, Troll)

grub (11606) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000561)


Many of the drunken, jobless welfare scum around my city's downtown are not quite human, not quite chimp. Are they a new branch of the tree?

Re:More importantly.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000699)

Yeah, "homo linux users", sometimes abbreviated "homo lusers"

origin of existance being questioned (0)

bobcrotch (650038) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000564)

I don't see how any one person can fully belive in anything untill there is proof. no proof of a creator, no proof of evolution and no proof of aliens. probably sooner or later there will be a government bill passed to ban anymore research in this area, because after all isn't it playing god? This is a great breakthrough hopefully they can fully map the chip genome to get some more facts to maybe get a better, factual idea of our origins.

People don't realize.... (2, Informative)

LamerX (164968) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000565)

People don't seem to realize that we didn't actually evolve from chimps, but we actually are related in the way that we split off in the evolutionary timeline from the same predecessor. Why not put them in the same Genus as us? They've had just as much time to evolve.

It's about time... (2, Insightful)

johny_qst (623876) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000566)

It is still amazing to me that the scientific community has such antiquated ideas about how unique and exceptional humans are. It seems obvious to anyone who understands evolution and genetic drift that we are simply another version of an already successful line of monkeys.

You're the amazing one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000679)

I bet you went to Harvard didn't you. Give me a freaking break.

But isn't the real test... (4, Interesting)

handslikesnakes (659012) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000567)

to see if they can make babies?

Re:But isn't the real test... (3, Funny)

feed_me_cereal (452042) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000609)

to see if they can make babies?

are you signing up for the experiment?

Personally... (2, Funny)

bgeer (543504) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000570)

I think Senator Santorum needs to open an investigation into whether public tax money is being spent researching Homo chimps.

Sure! Let them in! (2, Funny)

Lord Grey (463613) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000571)

I've often wondered if some of the people I see driving on the freeway belong in the Human Genus, based purely on their lack of motor ability. If those people can make into that classification then surely our furry, feces-throwing relatives can make it. (I'm talking about the chimps, here.)

Are you mostly a chimp? Okay, but not me. (2, Insightful)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000572)


If you want to believe that you are almost a chimpanzee, that's fine, but I'm not believing. Note that the researchers ignored DNA that is not expressive. That may be a sensible idea, or it may be that the ignored DNA expresses itself in a way that has not been discovered.

Re:Are you mostly a chimp? Okay, but not me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000648)

You know, you're right. Judging by your posting history, it's far more likely you're 100% chimp. Perhaps a 50-50 split between chimp and compost pile.

Re:Are you mostly a chimp? Okay, but not me. (1, Insightful)

mmol_6453 (231450) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000670)

If 99% of the important DNA is identical, then probability implies that 99% of the rest of the DNA is also identical.

The Test (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000573)

Setup: You've been recently hired as a general purpose pc flunky at a major multinational multibillion dollar company. An important server suddenly stopped working, bad power supply, and your job is to replace it. The company is losing a million dollars in sales every 5 minutes, the general manager is breathing down the back of your neck, and your cell hasn't stopped vibrating once from all the people trying to find out when the server will be back up for all the commissions they're losing. If it works you'll be a hero, get a corner office with a good view of the parking lot, gorgeous, slinky secretary, lots of hardware, a fat pipe for downloading and playing with all the oss you can use, and a generous expense account. You have a white wire, a blue wire, a black wire and a brown wire. If you connect the correct pair, it'll work. If you connect the wrong pair, two substations upstream on the power grid will trip, plunging the entire region in darkness, chaos, rioting and looting. The Govenor will declare matial law, Bush will brand you a terrorist, and Ashcroft will send you to Gitmo where you will never be heard from again.

Which wires do you connect?
White to Blue and Brown to Black, OR White to Black, and Brown to Blue??

trollbait... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000575)

Humans are the only living species in genus homo, currently.

This sentence was the troll equivalent of pouring blood into shark-infested waters. What were you thinking?!!

Chimpanzees are misunderestimated! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000577)

Bush or Chimp? [bushorchimp.com]

Not until... (0, Offtopic)

FrostedWheat (172733) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000584)

They can't be classed as human until one of them has there own talk show!

Oh, wait... nevermind.

Common? Sure makes sense look at this: (1)

westyvw (653833) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000586)

Why does this come accross as a interesting idea when we only have so much materials based on the carbon existence that the puzzle of life just makes sense that we are simular to other species. More interesting if we had some alien dna to examine.

Link:
http://www.mrs.umn.edu/~goochv/CellBio/le ctures/ch em/chem.html

Homo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000588)

Homo?
I make the obvious jump to a gay reference.
Which of course, makes me think of Madonna.
From the TV show, In Living Color:

*Fake Madonna singing a parody of Vogue*
"I'm a gay man trapped in a woman's body"

I can hear the screaming.. (3, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000592)


All over North America, greasy rednecks with pimpish moustaches and long mullets [mulletsgalore.com] are saying "What 're them scientist-types saying? They're calling me "homo"? I'm gonna kick all their asses."

We share many things in common with chimpanzees (5, Funny)

diatonic (318560) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000595)

Goodman added, "In terms of culture, social behavior, language and other factors, we share many things in common with chimpanzees."

There was a guy at a nursing home I worked at that would throw poop at the staff.

As a chimp... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000598)

I am very upset to be classified in the same Genus as fart-knockers like Rob ``CmdrTaco'' Malda and Jeff ``Hemos'' Bates.

Obligatory Buckaro Bonzia quote (0, Offtopic)

geekoid (135745) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000599)

"Laugh while you can, monkey boy!"

Hmmmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000600)

Would that be Homo gorolla or Gorilla homo?

all 97?!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000601)

Wow! All 97 Genes?

Here I was thinking that humans had a lot more than 97 genes. That is like taking two specs of dirt from the backs of two dogs and assuming the dogs rolled in the same mud.

Can't someone publish some real scientific evidence.

This is as bad as the story about the skeletons found in the cave by a group of scientists. They then removed all the "contaminating" dirt from the cave ceiling and "proved" something. (recent slashdot article from a few weeks ago...) I couldn't be bothered to find the link.

Oh no.... (0)

billmaly (212308) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000603)

Slashdot is discussing homo.

Prepare for mega goats@x posts.

I guess Fish and Chimps out of the question now? (2, Funny)

truth_revealed (593493) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000605)

First they discover that fish can feel pain - and now this! Damn science! What am I supposed to eat?

Classification System Stinks (5, Insightful)

Superfreaker (581067) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000608)

Well, it may not be completely stinky, but it is close.

Our current system for categorizing the inhabitants of this is long outdated and is based largely on phsycal characteristics of the components on the creature, rather than the stuff it is actually made up of.

We find we've had to tweak this existing system to make new species fit. We've even had to add new kindoms! Many species bridge, these categories making them all the more harder to classify.

A better, more accurate, system needs to be devised based on current technologies that classify based on genetic code. The point of a classification system would be to allow us to draw similarities in creatures while studying them based on available data for ones in the same category. A genetic model would be very beneficial for this very reason.

IMHO.

Re:Classification System Stinks (1)

cens0r (655208) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000668)

I don't remeber us adding a kingdom any time recently. Now I do remeber us adding a new phyllum.

Genetic similarity isn't everything... (5, Informative)

valis (947) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000611)

For what it is worth, the raw similarity in the genome sequence doesn't need to indicate the same degree of similarity. Transcription is quite complex (much of it we still don't understand) and it is possible that small differences in regulatory regions can cause completely different parts of the sequence to be expressed.

Re:Genetic similarity isn't everything... (1)

valis (947) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000681)

Just a little followup --

In his new book, DNA, James Watson says:

"""As I write this the chimpanzee genome project is beginning to gain momentum. When it is done... my guess is that [King and Wilson] wil lbe proved right, the critical differences will lie not in the genes themselves but in their regulation. Humans, I suspect, are simply greatt apes with a few unique -- and special -- genetic switches."""

Neanderthals and Humans (2, Informative)

bstadil (7110) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000615)

A little of topic but a few days ago the result of Italian research project [compaq.com] was published. The result of DNA comparisons between Neanderthals and Humans found that most likely no interbreeding have occured.

KWYJIBO? (1)

Metallic Matty (579124) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000617)

KWYJIBO (n.): a big, dumb, balding, North American ape with no chin.

Twenty three points, plus double word score, plus, sixty points for using all my letters. I win.

Great only 0.6% ! (1)

Mostafa Hussein (674413) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000626)

Where could I download this new patch ? I need an update.

"Functionally important"? (0)

eat potato (663441) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000628)

Ah, but how do they define "functionally important" DNA? Wouldn't that actually be "DNA that we think is important"?

Keep in mind that we don't know what the majority of the human genome does.

Antropomorphic principle (4, Insightful)

Alomex (148003) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000629)



The Antropomorphic principle is the name given by a tendency by us humans to believe that our situation is unique. It goes from believing in our divine origin, to the earth is the centre of the universe (Ptolomeic) to the sun is the centre of the universe (Copernicus), to the current incantation of the big bang (Gamow) with an ever expanding universe.

Placing humans in their own genus seems to fit right along those lines. We are unique, and no other animal deserves to be even close to us...

if { chimps == homosapiens } .... (0, Flamebait)

caluml (551744) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000633)

If we were once chimps, and we evolved into homo-sapiens, then why didn't the chimps do that too?

Contradiction! (1, Informative)

grimani (215677) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000634)

Original Submitter:

"Chimpanzees [...] belong in our genus, Homo"

Editor:

"Humans are the only living species in genus homo, currently."

Insert lamentation on the quality of Slashdot editorial review here.

So if Chimpanzees belong in the genus Homo.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000635)

..then humans can't be the only living ones in that genus can they?

read what you post!

That's why (1)

mustangsal66 (580843) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000636)

My ass is so hairy!

Someone had to say it... (4, Insightful)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000639)

Keep your filthy hands off my genus, you damn dirty chimps.

I'm sure the creationists will pitch a fit if chimps are reclassified. I wonder if there would be any legal ramifications regarding the rights of chimps compared to other animals.

Can't resist (5, Funny)

daves (23318) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000646)

Humans are the only living species in genus homo, currently.

If we are the only species, that would make us "homo genus".

Genus? (1, Funny)

Chromodromic (668389) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000652)

So we're all a bunch of homos?

97 genes out of 140k (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000653)

There are roughly 140,000 genes in the human body.

This is not news and proves nothing. These scientists should not even bother publishing this.

http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file= /n g/journal/v25/n2/full/ng0600_129.html

Human Chimp Hybrid? (2, Interesting)

Tighe_L (642122) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000654)

What I have always wondered -- if you can cross a Horse, zebra, or donkey -- couldn't you cross a human with a chimp? Has anyone ever tried this?

Is there some web page out there that has information on this?

I am curious.

Not that I am curious enough to try :)

No no no (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000660)

Article is wrong. 99% of humanity actually belongs in the same genus as chimpanzee

What about bacteria? (1)

Repugnant_Shit (263651) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000661)

I've heard in science classes from high school to college that there's barely a difference in a bacteria's DNA and ours. So 99.4% is the magic number?

Been creeping toward this for a while (4, Informative)

ianscot (591483) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000665)

Nov 1998 article with one of the same contributors: Line between humans, apes blurs [idsnews.com]

We're turning over lots of taxonomies based on some cladistics-minded genetics lately. National Geographic threw in a chart and a couple of pages about re-grouping mammals a while back.

The chimps percentage might be a bit higher than we usually hear, but that number's basically been around. (Question is, how could our definition of a genus be this open to debate?)

first racist post (-1)

SS Sugar Bear (667172) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000666)

Compare niggers, whose genetic material is beneath that of chimps. Calling them dirty apes is an insult toward the animals.

My conspiracy theory (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000686)

This is just the White House doing damage control [bushorchimp.com] .

Negroes and Chimps (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000690)

If you are going to allow Negroes to be listed, then you might as well let the Chimps be listed too.

For more information click here [206.244.69.51] and here. [206.244.69.51]

Taxonomy (4, Informative)

CaseyB (1105) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000691)

Kings Play Chess On Funny Glass Stairs.

(Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species)

That's the only damn thing I can remember from high school biology.

Bonus mnemonic -- the only thing I remember from high school history: "Divorced, Beheaded, She Died; Divorced, Beheaded, Survived." (How King Henry VIII's wives ended up)

Evolution? (0)

WatertonMan (550706) | more than 11 years ago | (#6000697)

"Humans are the only living species in genus homo, currently."



I like how you add that "currently." It's almost as if you expect some new species to pop up any day now. For some reason I keep seeing that Marlon Brando "character" on South Park doign the Island of Dr. Moreau. "My dream is to have humans with three asses."

http://www.bushorchimp.com/pics.html (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6000698)


Bush or Chimp ??

http://www.bushorchimp.com/pics.html [bushorchimp.com]


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