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BitTorrent Blamed for Matrix2 Downloads

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the nice-while-it-lasted dept.

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MartyJG writes "The BBC are running a story on how Matrix Reloaded is available via P2P. This time BitTorrent is taking the heat for the distribution - even though there's no company behind it to drag over the coals. The story speculates about the source of the copy, suggesting it's from a film or digital source rather than a cinema-screen-leech." Despite this piracy, the flick has made over $365M already. Including my tickets. Twice.

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Frosty? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047169)

Bone-O-Rama is my friend.

Slashdotting of BitTorrent (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047178)

Great work guys. I'm downloading Matrix: Reloaded right now with BitTorrent and the whole thing is about to get Slashdotted. Thanks.

That's not how it works... (4, Interesting)

Ron Harwood (136613) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047278)

You'd actually want more people trying to download it at the same time... because that provides many more upload sites at the same time.

Bittorrent is a really clever technology... I was able to download RedHat 9.0 in minutes rather than hours when it was made available.

Re:That's not how it works... (5, Insightful)

cdrudge (68377) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047406)

To a point, yes. However, if a tracker gets overloaded, everyone suffers.

Re:Slashdotting of BitTorrent (5, Informative)

klmth (451037) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047298)

I know this is a joke, but I'll bite.
Due to the swarming nature of BitTorrent, additional users downloading a file will not slow your downloads down. Quite the contrary - everyone will experience speedier downloads.

Re:Slashdotting of BitTorrent (1)

glesga_kiss (596639) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047338)

additional users downloading a file will not slow your downloads down

In theory, yes. Async connections are the realistic spanner in those works...most down more than they up.

Re:Slashdotting of BitTorrent (1)

klmth (451037) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047369)

Is this because of clients requesting connections and not transferring anything, thus leading the server-peer to choke?

Re:Slashdotting of BitTorrent (0, Redundant)

LordoftheFrings (570171) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047340)

Actually, if it is Slashdotted, then the file will download faster. In the case of P2P, especially with a system such as Bitorrent where you are forced to upload, more users generally means faster speed.

Re:Slashdotting of BitTorrent (0, Redundant)

AntonyBartlett (644248) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047384)

Great work guys. I'm downloading Matrix: Reloaded right now with BitTorrent and the whole thing is about to get Slashdotted.

Actually BitTorrent is built to survive a slashdotting. You can't download without providing upload capacity (because essentially you are trading fragments of the file with peers). Thus the idea is that as demand grows for a particular file, so should the supply of bandwidth

On the other hand, there is a central component, which is vunerable to a cease-and-desist.

I already told you. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047179)

BitTorrent sucks!!!!!!!!

This only proves what I've said all along.

Ahhhhh!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047180)

All your base,

All your base are belong to us!

Move zig, move zig, for great justice!!

FP, sucka (-1)

crow_t_robot (528562) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047181)

...and on a Tuesday!

Represent!

Link? (3, Funny)

override11 (516715) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047183)

Someone plz post the bit-torrent link? :)

Re:Link? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047255)

a small google search should help you, i have seen it several places, but I won't link to it here, but I guess others will. And I have not downloaded it nor will I since I want to expirence it at the movie theater. I think the first was a cam version and then came a telesync, but I can't confirm that as I haven't looked at them.

Re:Link? (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047374)

This is all I have:

http://ukraine-mobi.4.com1.ru/The.Matrix.Reloade d. SVCD.TS-Centropy.torrent

But I think the "TS" means it's a TeleSync, so this is probably not the one the article is talking about.

Let's see (3, Funny)

octalgirl (580949) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047184)

Let's see the MP** go after this one....

Matrix???? (5, Insightful)

cansecofan22 (62618) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047186)

Maybe the copies are another form of control... Give us a grainy low res version to excite us and then grab the $8 admission to the movie.... The matrix has us!

Re:Matrix???? (1)

log0n (18224) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047212)

haha, fo rizzle

Re:Matrix???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047305)

Actually, the copy that I have is quite nice. Not grainy at all. I doubt it is from a digital source or whatever they say because it appears to have been shot at a slight angle when you pay attention to the straight buildings in the background

Re:Matrix???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047383)

You obviously didn't see the "good" svcd version; it's just about dvd quality.

Matrix 2 - Read before you see this movie: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047197)

Trinity DIES!!!

Morpheus Rapes Trinity (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047259)



And Trinity gives birth to Neo 6 in Zion 5.

No, really.

Re:Matrix 2 - Read before you see this movie: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047269)

YOU FAIL IT!

Neo revives her by reaching inside her digitized body and pumping her heart until she comes back to life.

And the prophecy was just another system within the matrix! All a big scam by the machines!

Re:Matrix 2 - Read before you see this movie: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047349)



Trinity DIES!!!

And then Neo reaches into her chest cavity and grabs her heart like in Mortal Combat and squeezes it!! And then he eats it!!!


oh dear, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047198)

..getting ready for another killing of some bittorrent sites today. dammit. Let's hope that the ones that are left, still have their rewrite rules in place. :D

Wow! (4, Funny)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047205)

The Matrix Reloaded is available through BitTorrent? Wow, thanks BBC, I never would have known that without that story! Now I just gotta find that .torrent file...

Re:Wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047219)

If you find it, link me up! This screener is getting annoying.

Re:Wow! (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047403)

http://10mbit.com/suprnova/the.matrix.reloaded.div x.ts.daduck_sn.torrent
(730 MB, DivX)

http://10mbit.com/suprnova/The.Matrix.Reloaded.S VC D.TS-Centropy.torrent
(2.6 gb, Bin/Cue) - Great quality...a little dark in places, but essentially like watching it in the theater.

It's only a matter of time (5, Interesting)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047208)

Without a company to go after, it's only a matter of time before the MPAA goes after a few users a la the RIAA over the last couple months. Considering that studios put oodles more money into a major movie release than a music CD, they have plenty more to "lose" from P2P trading...

Re:It's only a matter of time (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047276)

And that's exactly what should be done. That's what should have been done in the days of napster. The tool is not illegal, the crime is.

Uh oh (1)

FunkyELF (609131) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047392)

While I would normally disagree with you on this point since major action movies people will normally fork over money to watch in the theater, I have seen a copy of this and when watched on someone's xbox it is actually really good quality. I doubt it is from a digital source since you can tell it was shot from below the screen aiming up a little bit.

I was at a little LAN Party [esportspto.com] last weekend and while there were little nerds there with their Matrix II backgrounds watching it in Windows...they also claimed to have seen the movie several times in the theaters.

Village Roadshow pictures is sueing themselves. (5, Funny)

Trespass (225077) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047209)

Their lawyer was quoted as saying 'This one is the exact same thing as the last one. Same gimmicks, same fast-food mysticism. I believe we have a strong case for plagarism'.

BitTorrent is being used for piracy? (5, Funny)

FosterKanig (645454) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047213)

I guess next you will tell me that people use Kazaa for porn.

Re:BitTorrent is being used for piracy? (1)

nelsonal (549144) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047321)

A few weeks ago there was an article in the Wall Street Journal that was shocked to announce just that.

Does Anyone Really Want a Crappy Bootleg? (3, Interesting)

neildiamond (610251) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047215)

Most of these early bootlegs are filmed on a VHS camcorder with people's heads in the picture. If I was planning on seeing Matrix in the theatre, I wouldn't download a garbage version. If I wasn't planning on seeing it in theatres, I might consider it, but I'd probably still wait for the DVD. How does this hurt them?

Re:Does Anyone Really Want a Crappy Bootleg? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047240)

Ahem.... Perhaps you missed this detail from the BBC article:


Although it is not unusual for pirate copies of blockbuster films to appear on the internet soon after release, they are often of poor quality, filmed on a hidden videcamera by a cinemagoer.

The picture is often jerky, with poor sound, punctuated by ambient noise in the cinema.

But the copy available using BitTorrent appears to be have made from a film print, and is in widescreen format with surround sound.

Re:Does Anyone Really Want a Crappy Bootleg? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047245)

If you bothered to read the article, you would know that the Bittorrent version is actually a high quality copy with surround sound, unlike the two telesyncs already up on sharereactor.

Re:Does Anyone Really Want a Crappy Bootleg? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047323)

it's still a telesync, just a VERY GOOD one (and svcd, divx/xvid or even dvd-r (yep, matrix was the first maybe...) are used in stead of the crappy vcd format that is usual for telesyncs...)

http://www.vcdquality.com/image.php?id=13129 [vcdquality.com]
http://www.vcdquality.com/image.php?id=13311 [vcdquality.com]

Re:Does Anyone Really Want a Crappy Bootleg? (1)

shmuc (70684) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047271)

Actually, this footage is very clear for a bootleg. The person filming it sat in a perfect spot. Along with the clear picture, the sound is decent. It's worth the download.

Re:Does Anyone Really Want a Crappy Bootleg? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047287)

As somebody who downloaded the centropy released 2 days before the Matrix Reloaded broke in theateres, I have to say you are a fool who has no idea on the advances taken with ripping movies. The Matrix Reloaded I have is a 3 cd SuperVideoCD. The sound and video quality are AMAZING for a theater rip, which is why they think it may have been ripped from a digital theater. I've watched it on my 19 inch monitor and 45 inch tv and the quality is probably 75% that of a DVD. Not bad for 0% of the price.

Re:Does Anyone Really Want a Crappy Bootleg? (5, Funny)

AlgUSF (238240) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047313)

I'll probably rent it on DVD when it comes out, because my girlfriend doesn't want to see it. I guess she doesn't understand the responsibilities of dating a geek?

Re:Does Anyone Really Want a Crappy Bootleg? (0)

bigjnsa500 (575392) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047348)

This version isn't the crappy one. The Centropy release is obviously from a digital source

Re:Does Anyone Really Want a Crappy Bootleg? (0, Troll)

garcia (6573) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047405)

PLEASE RTFA.

This was a DVD widescreen copy w/surround sound.

At last.... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047220)

Slashdot subscriptions have real added value... subscribers can get their copy of Reloaded before the whole site gets /.ed

Re:At last.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047253)

That's only 20 minutes before everyone else, and since we are browsing slashdot all day, we don't have any work, and without work we don't have such a high-speed internet connection, and without such a high-speed internet connection we won't have the movie in 20 minutes, so BOKAZHA!

Who cares (0, Insightful)

plazman30 (531348) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047221)

Haven't they figured out yet that the people that download this crap will NEVER EVER actually buy the DVD release. If you're going to spend DAYS downloading some crappy copy over a P2P network rather than spend a lousy $10 to see it, then that's sad. My time is worth more than a $10 movie ticket. I'll see it in the theater and buy the DVD when it comes out.

Re:Who cares (1)

jonnyfivealive (611482) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047295)

i dont have to be watching the screen while my movie downloads. ive been downloading movies lately while ive been packing to move. occasionally, i even play them while im packing.

of course i did pay to see the matrix in the theater...

Re:Who cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047315)

Don't generalise. I saw it at the cinemas. I downloaded the torrent. I also plan on buying the DVD. Maybe the second step would be unnecessary if they released the DVD as soon as it was out of the cinemas.

Re:Who cares (1)

LordoftheFrings (570171) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047360)

No doubt your time is worth more than the price to see it. But are you really sitting at your computer watching the progress bar slowly increase? Doubtful. IMHO, it is not sad to start the download then take off for a little while, to return to a low-res, crap copy of a box office smash hit.

Slashdotted (0)

itsnotthenetwork (634970) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047222)

They don't have to sue anyone to shut this down, they just release the story to slashdot and watch all the bit torrent sites go down.

How much is enough? (3, Insightful)

Azghoul (25786) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047223)

The writeup says it all: The friggin' movie has made 365M already! Not to mention to utter PILES of cash from all the merchandizing and cross-promotion...

I don't know what it cost to make, but to whine that "a few hundred million isn't enough, those bastards are ripping us off" doesn't leave me with a whole lot of sympathy.

How much is enough, Hollywood?

Re:How much is enough? (5, Insightful)

praxim (117485) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047299)

I don't know, but I'm posting this from work right now, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want someone else who has nothing to do with my work determining when I've made enough money from it and telling me I'm "whining" if somebody steals it.

Still making their money.... (4, Interesting)

Doom Ihl' Varia (315338) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047224)

I've paid about $30 so far to watch The Matrix: Reloaded. Reloaded has provoked many philosophical debates. Is Neo a genuine Jesus-like messiah? Is there a Matrix within a Matrix? Then there is speculation on what will happen next. Is it so wrong, after paying $30 total to see it in theatres, to download a low quality telesync just to double check your facts for arguements sake?

Re:Still making their money.... (5, Insightful)

gfxguy (98788) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047339)

Let's face facts - you probably don't have the same profile as the majority of people downloading the movie.

On the surface, I agree with you - I've seen it, and even if I downloaded a copy I'm going to buy it when it comes out on DVD anyway. Yet, if I downloaded it, they'd claim I "cost them" $30 or so (1 ticket price and one DVD price).

But the fact is that it is their content and as long as it's available to you (currently in the theater). There's never been a good argument for piracy, but then there's no evidence that piracy is really costing them money anyway. I wish they'd wake up and smell the coffee - every time a newer, better, more flexible medium comes along they throw a shit fit, and yet end up making more money than they ever did before.

SUCKAS!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047227)




LOL! Free is better than Paying!

Kazzaa has 0wnage WB tools !

LOL!

ha! (1)

hatrisc (555862) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047229)

Ive had a copy on vhs for weeks now!


that's what i'd be saying if i had bought that copy from that guy on the subway.

Re:ha! (1)

hoggoth (414195) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047270)

> Ha! Ive had a copy on vhs for weeks now!
> that's what i'd be saying if i had bought that copy from that guy on the subway.

Damn! I paid that subway scam artist for a tape of Barney with a Matrix Reloaded label on it! That's what you'd be saying.

that guy on the subway (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047307)



Yes, but some nig hustling VHS down in Lower East is not respectable.

Give some 15 year old Colorado upper middle class suburbanite the same station, through the internet, and suddenly its a problem.

Its like, why do you never hear about black children being kidnapped? Because it's not respectable people whose lives it affects.

Remember that for your civ class, Sparky.

Social Event (5, Insightful)

KrunZ (247479) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047230)

Movies like the Matrix, Lords of the Rings etc are social events. People will watch it in the cinema among their friends family no matter how easy it is to get at divx copy.

Re:Social Event (2, Funny)

inaeldi (623679) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047241)

Speak for yourself, Mr. Social. Signed, A social reject

Re:Social Event (1)

KrunZ (247479) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047314)

SORRY - wrong forum!

It wasn't supposed to be posted in the SINGLE-MALE-GEEK-LIVING-IN-A-CAGE-COMMUNITY-SLASH. ORG

Clearly indicating..... (1)

reality-bytes (119275) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047300)

...that the majority of families these days are disfunctional and are incapable of socialising in the home.

OMG: Bittorrent killed Trinity at end of Matrix II (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047232)

100s of Agent Smiths... (4, Funny)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047235)

Those hundreds of Agent Smiths that Neo had to fight were actually multiple streaming BitTorrent threads. It all makes sense now.

So what? (5, Interesting)

Stargoat (658863) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047243)

This is nothing new. People have been downloading movies for at least three years. Simply because this movie is new and popular, is this suddenly an issue that needs to be addressed? The answer is no. There is nothing here more serious than the downloading of an MP3. In fact, it might even be less of a problem. After all, the price of a movie ticket ($7.50) is cheaper than the price of a CD ($12.00).

So all I can say is: Bah.

To be practical ... (1)

JSkills (69686) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047244)

Doesn't this movie simply demand to be seen in some big screen format (either the actual theatre or in some nice home theatre system) with the properly set up sound etc.?

I understand how certain people don't want to see this movie pirated, but one the other hand, couldn't seeing a grainy version of the film with bad sound quality only want to make you pay the money to either go to the theatre or buy the DVD?

It's not like the actual DVD has been ripped and that's being pirated around the net. Now that would be a different story wouldn't it ...

Re:To be practical ... (1)

TheVoice900 (467327) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047297)

It's not like the actual DVD has been ripped and that's being pirated around the net. Now that would be a different story wouldn't it ...


Actually, if you read the article, that's almost precisely what has happened:

But the copy available using BitTorrent appears to be have made from a film print, and is in widescreen format with surround sound.

You're right (1)

JSkills (69686) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047400)

Jeez I should cut down on the caffiene and/or take some ritalin or something. All I saw was this part ...

Low-quality copies of the film on DVD have also been reported for sale at a major traders' market in London.

Although it is not unusual for pirate copies of blockbuster films to appear on the internet soon after release, they are often of poor quality, filmed on a hidden videcamera by a cinemagoer

I must have missed the important part of the story.

Mod me down with a vengance - I deserve it :-(

Re:To be practical ... (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047310)

Doesn't this movie simply demand to be seen in some big screen format

Not when I want to watch it in the comfort of my bed in the middle of the night.

Re:To be practical ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047385)

Doesn't this movie simply demand to be seen in some big screen format (either the actual theatre or in some nice home theatre system) with the properly set up sound etc.?

After seeing it yesterday evening in a local theatre all i can say about this is: No.

Reloaded compared to the original movie just sucks. It is a decent action flick, but IMHO the action and fight scenes were much better in the Matrix, and sometimes the CGI just looks crappy in Reloaded. And the music sucked plain and simple.

Ok, go on, flame me to death.

So they suspect an inside job? (5, Insightful)

GMontag (42283) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047249)

The story speculates about the source of the copy, suggesting it's from a film or digital source rather than a cinema-screen-leech.

Wow, sounds like the culprit is an insider! Perhaps someone should contact these guys and point out the "inadvertant error" in their analysis before the real criminals get away?

Film source? Nonsense. (5, Informative)

CiaranMc (149798) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047261)

This is pure nonsense. There are about 6 different versions of Reloaded floating about online but all the ones I've seen are Telesyncs.

There aren't any screener versions or similar online yet... believe me, I'd have looked!

At the end of the day, I can't imagine any Matrix fans are going to download the movie rather than seeing it on the big screen and/or buying the DVD.

Re:Film source? Nonsense. (5, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047332)

No, but many non-matrix fans will download it just for the sake of seeing it, instead of waiting to rent it at blockbuster.

The rental industry is getting killed by movie piracy online. If you're a fan of a film, you'll go to the theatre to see it.

But all those so-so films that you tell yourself "I'll wait and rent it", can now be downloaded free-as-in-hobo at your leisure.

Of course we only need justify this the same way as we do with MP3 'sharing'; Why should I pay to see a movie that only has one good character and the rest is filler?

Matrix reloaded AVIs ain't what you think (4, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047265)

I've tried getting the movie 3 times with eMule, and each time it wasn't Matrix but a porn movie. The female characters were reloaded alright, but not the Matrix ...

I guess I'll just go the theater to see it.

overrated (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047267)

The movie is overrated,really.
I can't believe it has gotten 7.5/10 on imdb.com.
Taco has seen it twice to understand their obfuscated frustration ?
I seriously recommend Adaptation (Nicolas Cage) which is more surprising than this Matrix2 piece of shit.
Now wait : if you want to see some really good stuff, re-watch Dogma.

Follow the White rabbit (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047281)

Rabbit Hole [siol.com]

Where is the problem? (1)

TWX (665546) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047282)

I don't download movies because I like nice high quality imagery. I'll acknowledge that even exceptions to the bull occur sometimes, like this example, but I want to enjoy the experience. I'd gather that most people who download movies either weren't planning on buying the movie in the first place, or have already seen it, and have given at least some money for the experience. Either way, the studio has gotten all of the money it's realistically going to get.

It's a bit of a joke really ! (5, Insightful)

bushboy (112290) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047285)

Considering that some people are seeing the movie more than once and how much it has grossed so far, complaining about illegal downloads seems so redundant, it's almost laughable !

I'll take a bet 95% of people who have an illegal copy of the movie have paid to see it.

There's no substitue for seeing a movie like the matrix on a big screen.

Twice (0, Troll)

rjamestaylor (117847) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047286)

  • Despite this piracy, the flick has made over $365M already. Including my tickets. Twice.
Once to film it and another to watch it, hmmm??

theatre sneak-in (5, Funny)

victorvodka (597971) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047293)

Though it's true the Matrix Reloaded is a far better film to see on the BIG SCREEN than in some cheesy little window on my PC, my enjoyment of it that way (and I took my wife with me to see it too!) did not contribute anything towards the 380 million dollars it has collected to date. Why? We snuck in! Never pay to see a movie at a megaplex... just leave your coat in your car and claim you're returning from a cigarette break. It's the punk rock thing to do!!

They are just pissed... (5, Funny)

caffeinex36 (608768) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047304)

Becuase Bruce Almighty [cnn.com] made more money than them....they have to come up with some excuse for a shitty Jim Carrey movie beating them. Wouldn't you?

Rob

Re:They are just pissed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047334)

bruce almighty has been on bittorrent for a day or 2 already as well ;)

Well, no duh (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047311)


It's all a bunch of fucking hippy Linux users, who don't understand the concept of PAYING for anything. They steal steal steal, and even if they wanted to pay for something they couldn't because they don't have JOBS. They don't work because their mad linux SKILLZ are an unmarketable JOKE. Instead they sit around smoking dope and sucking dicks and steal shit that someone else worked hard on. They justify it as "free exchange of information" or some other hippy bullshit, but they don't know what it's like to be stolen from because they don't work and they're lazy. Linux users need to take a bath, get a job, and PAY for something for once in their miserable lives. They're a cancer upon IT and the PC industry, they're leeches upon society, and they all smell of shit and urine from wallowing in their own filthy all day jacking off the Carrie Ann Moss all day. Fucking assholes.

Re:Well, no duh (1)

TallEmu (646970) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047379)

Nothing wrong with jacking off over Carrie Ann Moss all day.

Real Menace (4, Funny)

slaker (53818) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047326)

"Digital piracy has become a real menace," - Jack Valenti (see, I RTFA!)

I'd say SARS is a real menace. Or AIDS. Or rednecks in the white house. How many people has my piratred copy of Matrix 2 killed? Injured even?

OK, there was the Russian. But I didn't know he was standing there when threw the CD.

Clearly ones and zeroes are dangerous things. We shouldn't be teaching these things in school. Think of the children! Won't someone think of the children!

Oh, the humanity.

Jack Valenti must not have a very good grip on reality if he thinks my vain effort to figure out if Carrie-Anne Moss shows either of her no-doubt perfect nipples in that one scene is in any way dangerous to civilization as we know it. Fucktard.

I downloaded it (1)

terbor (566711) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047333)

already. But I haven't watched it. I plan to see it in the theater this week and then watch my download multiple times to figure out all the things I missed or said "WHA?" about. I wouldn't pay to see it in the theater more than one time. And I'll buy the 3 DVD set of Matrix movies when it comes out.

$2 (1)

jonnyfivealive (611482) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047336)

thats what i payed to see it the sunday after it was released. no waiting in lines, either. at a good theater, too. i dont know why this theater was so cheap, but i dont care. no mafia in oklahoma, that cant be it... oh well.

P2P day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047342)

It must be P2P day on slashdot.

I was watching the news before and saw a kid killed his parents and got the idea from The Matrix. Then I changed the channel and the Simpsons were on, it was the one where Marge wants Itchy and Scratch cancelled because Maggie hit Homer over the head with a hammer and they were protesting outside the place where they make Itchy and Scratchy.

DOWNLOAD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047352)

The bittorrent for Matrix Reloaded is available here: clicky clikcy! [10mbit.com]
Leech it, spread it, and laugh in the faces of DMCA, MPAA, and BBC!
Okey, not BBC, but you get the idea.trms.

Re:DOWNLOAD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047367)


Connecting to 10mbit.com[218.188.158.34]:80... failed: Connection refused.

Satan. :(

Re:DOWNLOAD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047393)

works here.

Just In: Cisco Routers Blamed for Matrix2 Swapping (5, Funny)

smd4985 (203677) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047359)

In other news, the Associated Press is reporting that 85% of Matrix2 bootleg bytes flow over Cisco routers. Therefore, Cisco is to blame for bootlegging. Several users reported that their Cisco products simply began downloading a Matrix2 bootleg without their permission.

How is this wrong, if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047364)

I already purchased tix and went and watched the movie. Granted, my memory isn't as good as divx, but I've already paid for the experience.
I'm going to buy the DVD when it comes out. What's the diff if I watched it at the theater, dl a p2p copy and then later buy it too?
This could apply to music as well. What about something I already own? For instance I have hundreds of cassettes. Could I morally download copies of these songs from a p2p?

MODS GET A CLUE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047366)

Look stop with modding people up saying the same thing, HEY WHY GET A SHITTY QUALITY RIP WHEN YOU CAN PAY YOUR 8$ TO THE MAN AND LET HIM HAVE HIS WAY. DON'T BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN A MINDLESS TOOL OF THE ESTABLISHMENT. And you mods jump on yourselves to mod them up. Unless you have actually SEEN the quality of the matrix reloaded rip, which is incredible, you should shut your fucking traps about the quality. It's like all the new englanders bitching about how horrible black people are and 80% of new englanders haven't even SEEN a black person, let alone met one. If you don't have any fucking clue, don't offer your opinion. Mods if YOU don't have a fucking clue, pass up the mod points for a day.

Re:MODS GET A CLUE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047396)

Which rip is the best one? Centropy? There's a ton of them out there, trying to figure out what to download. :)

Amazing how wrong they get theese things (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047376)

The copy of matrix reloaded they are probably talking about is a telesync by centropy. It is shot whith a dv cam in a theatre, with a direct audio feed, encoded to svcd, 3 cd's, and has been all over the net for over a week...

BitTorrent Version??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6047377)


Guys, what the fuck? wake the hell up eh, no wonder people are so ignorant on p2p issues, even slashdotters don't know better. There is no goddamn BitTorrent version of the matrix 2 that is higher quality, BitTorrent is a godamn distribution mechanism.

The elites that bring you all your prized cracked software happen to get their hands on this great movie, and released it. If it gets to BitTorrent, it's not a fucking BitTorrent version, give credit where it is due!

So many people don't have a clue, and slash trolls are feeding that. BitTorrent has nothing to do with the matrix, or the fact that it is being moved around on their system.

Centropy is the group that did the matrix 2, they kickass :P

Here's a hint (5, Insightful)

rabtech (223758) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047389)

Release the DVDs earlier, and people will buy them instead of downloading. And those who still download probably wouldn't have bought a DVD anyway - for them the choice was a) don't have it or b) pirate it. They were not open to choice c) 'buy it' in the first place. That is the fallacy that the MPAA/RIAA rely on when citing "piracy concerns" - they assume that everyone who has Item X would have paid for it if it were not available in pirated form; that is a faulty assumption.

The fact that large-scale movie piracy (and indeed, any piracy) is happening is an indicator that people are largely unsatisfied with the current prices and/or distribution methods.

Factual inaccuracy in the linked Article (2, Insightful)

Andy_R (114137) | more than 11 years ago | (#6047398)

Apart from the obvious one that the 'low quality DVDs' are probably exactly the same data that is being touted as a high quality bit-torrent file...

There was no 'co-ordinated worldwide release' for Reloaded, here in Britain we got it a week an a half later than the US.

There were a whole host of pirate versions on alt.pictures.binaries.divx before the film was even released over here.

As for a solution to the problem, I've seen the film at the cinema, and I'd buy it on DVD, but guess what, there is no legitimate DVD yet.

I'd be tempted to download a divx as a stop-gap until the DVD is released (in it's final, most complete version) but I know that divx files rarely play back with sound even with the latest 5.05 release of the divx codec for Mac.
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