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Shadowbane Servers Hacked, Chaos Ensues

simoniker posted more than 11 years ago | from the serious-hack-attack dept.

Role Playing (Games) 773

Vanguard(DC) writes "There was a major hacking incident last night on the servers of Shadowbane, a newly released MMORPG by UbiSoft/Wolfpack. The attackers wreaked havoc on at least one game server, with apparent god-like capabilities in-game. There's already an official statement on the forums - 'Ubi Soft and Wolfpack Studios are now working with law enforcement, and we promise all of you that these individuals will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.'" There's a little more information via a post on the SBCatacombs messageboard - apparently the carnage (including many less powerful players getting killed) involved "..teleporting people all over the world, teleporting hostile guards into the safe-holds, bringing in hordes of special event monsters, and teleporting everyone to a city at the bottom of the sea."

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Tarroists! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6057073)

Talk about your tarroist action. I wonder if this will increase the theat level more...

I just can't get mad about this one... (5, Funny)

Picass0 (147474) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057099)

...'cause that shit is funny!!!

Just roll the game back 24 hours and play on.

Re:I just can't get mad about this one... (5, Funny)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057258)

The only proper punishment for such a crime is to have the offenders sit and listen to each player as they describe the characters that were tampered with and the achievements that were lost due to this reckless vandalism. Then again, that might amount to cruel and unusual punishment!

PLAYER: You see, my elven warrior had just obtained expert skill level with his scimitar, which allowed him to slay the vicious vampire of the valley, after which he stole this awesome magic amulet that lets him see through walls...

HACKER: aaarrrrrgggghhhh!!! no more! no more!

Re:I just can't get mad about this one... (1)

jackb_guppy (204733) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057274)

This is funny.

Now hacking into a system and getting GOD authority. Sounds like a fun thing for a game.

It sounds more like a movie. Any of these guys called Bruce?

Re:I just can't get mad about this one... (4, Funny)

pizen (178182) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057419)

Now hacking into a system and getting GOD authority. Sounds like a fun thing for a game.

It sounds more like a movie. Any of these guys called Bruce?


or Neo?

Re:I just can't get mad about this one... (2, Interesting)

cliffiecee (136220) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057330)

I remember reading a book about the history of computers... seems the old PDP computers had a 'crash' command that did exactly that. The reason it existed was to discourage hackers from trying to crash the PDP- why write a program like that when the command already exists?

So why don't game companies build this type of feature into their games? Choose a random person maybe once a week and let them stir things up a bit; and don't 'record' any of the damage that was
done (sorta like a parallel universe).

Even if someone hacks into this feature, all they'll do is cause temporary damage. Then all the other players can just roll their eyes and laugh derisively at the 'K3WL H4XX0R', and get on with their gaming after the idiot gets smacked down.

Re:I just can't get mad about this one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6057432)

Er... The "crash" command may be an effective way to remove the incentive for comp sci undergrads to screw around with some things, but twelve-year-old boys are an entirely different problem.

game world != real world... (1, Insightful)

andrewleung (48567) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057109)

ok... this is getting ridiculous... why should anyone that found a way to compromise security for a game be prosecuted in real life?!

if that will happen, then WHO will take responsibility for all the holes in Windows?!

talk about ironic...

computer security review people.. use them.

Games are businesses too. (5, Insightful)

ArsSineArtificio (150115) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057171)

ok... this is getting ridiculous... why should anyone that found a way to compromise security for a game be prosecuted in real life?!

Why should computer game servers be exempt from the usual laws about hacking into peoples' systems? Those who break into banks are prosecuted, if caught.

This person or persons compromised security, broke in and disrupted business operations, causing damages. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

ASA

Re:game world != real world... (5, Interesting)

no reason to be here (218628) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057172)

why should anyone that found a way to compromise security for a game be prosecuted in real life?!
if that will happen, then WHO will take responsibility for all the holes in Windows?!

well, not exactly. they're not going after the people for breaking into a game, but for breaking into a server. Nor are they going after the people responsible for the lousy security on their servers (as your windows comment might suggest), but rather the ones responsible for exploiting that lousy security. This is pretty much standard in the real world. I break into a system, I get caught, I get prosecuted.

Re:game world != real world... (1)

HarmlessScenery (225014) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057203)

ok... this is getting ridiculous... why should anyone that found a way to compromise security for a game be prosecuted in real life?!
Hmmm - maybe because it's not *just* a game. For the companies involved it's a business and this may harm their revenue streams. Why is this any different from any other business that gets disrupted (with potential loss of custom)?

At the same time though - it *is* funny - illegal, but funny :)

Re:game world != real world... (1, Funny)

Pingular (670773) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057204)

if that will happen, then WHO will take responsibility for all the holes in Windows?!
Microsoft blame Torvalds :/

Re:game world != real world... (5, Insightful)

WPIDalamar (122110) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057205)

Real simple, the in-game actions these people did caused real world finacial harm to the game developers. I saw at least one post stating that people canceled their subscriptions, in part, because of this.

Not to mention the tarnished reputation, which is also worth damages.

Not to mention that breaking a law is illegal, whether you hurt some one or not.

Re:game world != real world... (2, Insightful)

5KVGhost (208137) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057207)

Just because it happens to be a game doesn't mean that no one is responsible for screwing things up. Try walking into the NBA playoffs and stealing the ball.

Re:game world != real world... (4, Funny)

LittleGuy (267282) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057440)

Just because it happens to be a game doesn't mean that no one is responsible for screwing things up. Try walking into the NBA playoffs and stealing the ball.

Jack Nicholson and Calvin Klein, notwithstanding...

Re:game world != real world... (1)

ThePiMan2003 (676665) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057227)

However UBI soft will prolly loose realy money as people leave the game. Therfore hacking the system == threat to the livlyhood of UBIsoft == THE REAL WORLD.

Re:game world != real world... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6057237)

While it is true a game world != a real world, the game client, and servers are propriatary software and equipment, and by hacking you are illegally tampering with other peoples properties.

Purchasing software does not mean you own it, it means you own the right to use it. A person may not edit the software in anyway without consent of its creators.

That being said im exstatic that Ubisoft is taking legal action. I hope the cuplrits get what they deserve.

Re:game world != real world... (1)

badasscat (563442) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057247)

ok... this is getting ridiculous... why should anyone that found a way to compromise security for a game be prosecuted in real life?!

For the same reason they should be prosecuted for DoS attacks in real life, because that's basically what this is. People pay for playing this game, and they're not being allowed to play because of these hackers. It's pretty much the definition of denial of service, only this time it directly affects paying customers, so it's really even worse than a standard DoS attack for end-users.

Re:game world != real world... (1)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057251)

Because hacking into other people's systems is illegal whether or not they're running a game on it. And it should be illegal.

Most people's houses are horribly insecure. Does that make it their fault when someone breaks in and trashes the place?

world == world (1)

Martin Kallisti (652377) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057256)

There is a difference between pointing out a security problem, either publicly or directly to the owner of the compromised product, and hacking a server. If I saw that the door to your apartment was ajar, I might ring the bell or call in and point it out. That would be one thing. If I went in for no reason wrecked everything in sight, that would be something completely different. And that's what been done here. Property is property (we're talking about infringement here, not copying, which is not relevant to this discussion), virtual or not.

Re:game world != real world... (2, Insightful)

Idimmu Xul (204345) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057269)

It's not just a game though, it's a business. Do you also not think that anyone hacking Amazon should get prosecuted? They also didn't just 'find a way to comprimise security', they found it, then instigated it.

Oh, this is damned funny, but if the that people did it got caught, they should expect to get into trouble.

Your MS analogy is completly crap and utterly irrelevent as well. UBI are taking responsiblity by patching the servers, doing rollbacks and fixing things.

Is that ironic in the Alanis sense btw?

Stupid troll.

Re:game world != real world... (4, Insightful)

binaryDigit (557647) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057272)

ok... this is getting ridiculous... why should anyone that found a way to compromise security for a game be prosecuted in real life?!

It's not just a game, it's a service provided by a company to paying customers. The hackers disrupted a service being provided, that is a prosecutable offense right? And if US/W loses money (i.e. customers, downtime, and IT expenses) then they can claim damages right.

Re:game world != real world... (1)

Rick.C (626083) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057280)

This did have real-world consequences: at least one of the posters on the SB message board said he was cancelling his account. That means real dollars.

Re:game world != real world... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6057299)

The server they hacked was in the real world. The paying customers who will say "i pay for this shit?!" and cancel their subscriptions are in the real world.

Well, prehaps mmorpg players are not part of the real world.

Re:game world != real world... (0)

Pingular (670773) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057310)

while game_world != real_world print "get a fusking life :/"

Re:game world != real world... (0, Redundant)

rebelcool (247749) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057336)

Yes how dare they. Its like trying to prosecute a burglar because you didn't have strong enough doors on your house! Shame on them indeed.

Re:game world != real world... (1)

Gojira Shipi-Taro (465802) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057338)

I'd wager that would be because it was REAL servers that were hacked, real people had a service they were paying for disrupted, and a real crime has been committed (malicious hacking still ain't legal).

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Re:Me am BRAZIL (0)

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I'm sorry, but that title needs a farkism: (5, Funny)

llamalicious (448215) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057139)

Shadowbane Servers Hacked, Hilarity Ensues

Hahaha. (5, Funny)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057144)

Man that rules. I would have loved to have seen that. Should be a feature in more MMORPGs.

"Now featuring WRATH OF GOD mode, where pissed off GM's show you what it would REALLY be like if god cared. Experience plagues, meteors, and lightning from a clear sky. Divine retribution like you've never seen it before! Just 20 dallars a month."

Heh.

I used to MUD... (1, Funny)

Kibo (256105) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057317)

And there was this time the implimentor was drunk. Turns out he's an angry drunk. This story really brought back memories. :)

Living forever not just a dream! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6057151)

No, I'm not one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

This has to do with the most wonderful invention of all time: immortality rings [liveforevernow.com] !

The funniest thing about this site is that the inventor is absolutely SERIOUS. You have to check out this site; it's so full of rediculous claims you'll rotflyao.

According to the inventor, people once laughed at Einstein, Edison, and Tesla. It will later be confirmed that he is correct and will attain the ranking of such prominent scientists. LOL!

Haha! (3, Funny)

methangel (191461) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057166)

Boy did I have a good laugh about the chaos going on in Shadowbane. The Matrix has them.

Fear the machines!

I can see the police blotter for the individuals responsible:

"Teens arrested for acting like God in computer game"

Re:Haha! (1)

frs_rbl (615298) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057241)

Teens arrested for acting like God in computer game

Things would be easier on them if they were politicians acting in the real world

Imagine if it happened to Evercrack...... (-1, Troll)

echucker (570962) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057168)

Now that would be carnage!

Re:Imagine if it happened to Evercrack...... (-1, Flamebait)

NerdSlayer (300907) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057216)

Shut up, Nerd.

Re:Imagine if it happened to Evercrack...... (1)

Deathlizard (115856) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057223)

Before of after the riot that insued from rabid players that lost months of player buildup?

I shouldn't be talking though. I'd probably go nuts if something like this happened to Ragnarok Online.

Re:Imagine if it happened to Evercrack...... (1)

NerdSlayer (300907) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057278)

This may be of interest to you:

Ragnarok Users [slashdot.org]

unfortunately this is par for the course (5, Interesting)

agrounds (227704) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057175)

For those of us that have been playing this game regularly, this is only the icing on the cake for a plague of problems. This was a game that was touted for it's massive guild vs guild and player vs player capabilities. Massive warfronts and assaults utilizing seige weapons and a slew of powerful spells and powers. None of this has come to pass. The game lag is too terrible to support even the smallest of battles. PvP is almost impossible during primetime hours due to the inability of most casters to launch spells in a timely manner. (Although you -can- watch your nukes launch 45 seconds after your death)

Server downtime is extreme. Login is at times completely impossible. Rollbacks are nightly. The attrition rate among players is amazing. I've watched my guild vanish over the last few weeks as the host of problems drive out all but the most staunch of players. Ubi/Wolfpack blatantly reject petitions with no regard or consideration for the players. Every patch makes the client actually worse that it was before. This has been a nightmare for most of us. To see news like this only confirms the worst. Bad management, bad hosting, bad coding, and bad customer care have driven most from what I considered to be one of the better games to come out this spring. Just another account cancelled in a long line of departing players.

Yeah, right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6057343)

This guy is full of it. Nightly rollbacks? Nope.

45 seconds to launch a nuke? Dude, try out broadband. No, really. They say it's actually better than dialup.

Better call the waaaambulance. This one's a bleeder.

If it is so bad.... (2, Insightful)

benny_lama (516646) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057380)

...why the hell are you playing?!?!

Stop paying $20 a month, I'm sure that you can easily go out and find someone that will abuse you for free.

Re:unfortunately this is par for the course (2, Funny)

Kibo (256105) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057381)

UBI's made some of the worst games I've ever seen. Including the only game I've ever seen crash an 8-bit nintendo. If a game looks interesting, but it's got their logo, I put down the box of plague and move on.

A horrible company employing horrible people who should be subjected to cruise missle attacks, or worse.

OK, so try another game vendor!!! (1)

spiedrazer (555388) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057442)

Like this is the first company to hype their product's capabilities but fail to deliver on the hype? So what??? Get a clue, or more importantly, a life. Don't you have better things to do with your time / money?

Next On Ebay (1, Funny)

TheOste (413117) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057176)

Some really powerful shadowbane players!

It's The End !!! (4, Interesting)

da5idnetlimit.com (410908) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057177)

Armaggedon !!!

Gosh, I do Hope the poor admin had regular backups 8)

Well, the game was trashed by people that took the time to get WELL into the system before trashing the hell out of it.

Like an "Organized" Attack...

I'm not implying anything, but who gets benefits from this ? Competitors ?

From the forums it seems users are quite unhappy, but then possibly the editor will have another chance, and deply the same "anti-cheat" tech as in Counter Strike and Quake...

Motives... (3, Funny)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057311)

The list of reasons for why a hacker would want to do this is pretty short.

A: The hacker has a dislike for the company because he/she/it works for a competitor, and knows that this kind of an embarassment will nearly wipe-out this game.
B: The hacker has a dislike for the company because he/she/it was fired or otherwise feels wronged by the company, and knows that this kind of an embarassment will nearly wipe-out this game.
C: The hacker is immature and just wanted to play god in the game, because that would allow him/her/it to "win" by beating people who had worked hard to attain high status in the game.

No matter which situation turns out to be true, the hacker(s) need to be delivered to law enforcement to be shown that you just don't do this to other people's systems even if you have the technical ability to do so.

Obligitory Simpsons Reference (5, Funny)

Gibble (514795) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057179)

"...city at the bottom of the sea."

Homer: [fearfully] Marge? Kids? Everything's going to be just fine.
No go upstairs, and pack your bags...we're going to start a new
life...under the sea.
[calypso music starts]
[Homer dances with fish as Lisa plays a seahorse saxophone,
Marge a squid harp, and Bart the xylophone clams]
Homer: [eats a dancing fish, sings]
Under the sea, under the sea,
[eats a couple more fish]
There'll be no accusations, just friendly crustaceans
Under the sea!
[eats a line of seahorses, grabs an escaping one]
[eats a live crab as though it were a shrimp]
[eats a pair of dancing fish, then a snail who tries to escape]
[stands there with fish skeletons floating about]
Marge: Homer, that's your solution to everything: to move under the sea.
It's not going to happen!
Homer: Not with _that_ attitude!

Re:Obligitory Simpsons Reference (0)

a.deity (665042) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057327)

Of course, I was thinking more along the lines of a Futurama reference:

Look at me, I'm Zoidberg, homeowner!

Good times! (1)

ZorMonkey (653731) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057182)

Wow, that sounds like fun. I mightve actually considered buying SB if I was there! I wish I could play in a city at the bottom of the sea, with special monsters... Ah well, they promoted chaos and got it.

Wow... (2, Insightful)

TWX (665546) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057188)

This is the kind of thing that as a fifteen year old, I only dreamed about.

I can understand players getting mad at this, but at the same time, it's just a game, and if individual users themselves are considering legal action, they really need to shut down the computer and go outside for a while.

Hahaha haha haha. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6057200)

Haha.

Get a freaking life, gamers!

jus' like da matrix (1, Funny)

Graspee_Leemoor (302316) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057202)

When people start to exhibit the ability to really fuck up your world like this... ...it's time to send in Agent Smith.

graspee

law? (-1, Troll)

Transcendent (204992) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057206)

There's a law against cheating in online games?? ....oh goody....

Yes, Law (2, Insightful)

KalenDarrie (320019) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057333)

No.

But it is illegal to hack company property(MMORPG servers) and disrupt a company's business. This could put some serious hurt on sales and memebership on their servers.

Think, man.

Re:law? (5, Interesting)

WPIDalamar (122110) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057359)

Acutally... that's kind of insightful.

Ubisoft is calling it a hack, of course they will to save face... but what if it's just a bug or flaw in the game. What if they did all this through the game client? Is exploiting one of these flaws in a game against the law?

What if I'm playing EQ, and I find a spot in a zone where mobs can't get to. Then I kill things from there. I'm exploiting a bug to become more powerful. Is that the same?

What if I'm playing, and find out if I crouch and jump at the same time I can kill anyone I want? It's obviously cheating, but is it ILLEGAL for me to exploit that?

What if these guys found out if you hit the Ctrl-alt-f3-f4 keys while running north gave them these powers? Then is what they did illegal?

What if these guys used a special piece of software that ran the game in a special mode? Is that illegal? I mean, EVERYONE uses software (your OS) to run the game in a "special" mode (namely, a mode that works properly). Is this worse than exploiting the bug through the normal game interface?

Is this only a problem because is affected other people?

(Remember... big difference between illegal, immoral, and just plain annoying)

chaos? (-1, Funny)

confusednoise (596236) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057208)

subject line should read: chaos ensues as thousands realize they have no life...

Nail in the coffin or small hitch? (3, Insightful)

Alex2000 (573247) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057213)

It seems like they will roll the server time back a few hours, so things will go back to the way they were before the carnage. However, I cannot recall anything like this ever happening in any other MMRPG.

Other MMRPGs have had buggy starts, but this is over the top. Is this just a natural result of the fiercely competitive guild wars in the game? In a game where player cities rise and fall, wasn't it just a matter of time before a guild went too far?

Anyone who played this game in beta surprised? (5, Informative)

disc-chord (232893) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057217)

As one of the many people who betaed this for years; I have to say this doesn't come as surprise in the least.

This is probably just an exploit from in the game, rather than someone r00ting the server or anything remotely interesting. I had many instances where the server accidently gave me dialogs with GM powers, I imagine that's just what happened here. The culprit(s) may have figured out how to gain access to the GM dialogs dilberatly, but that's about the extent of the "hack" here.

SB was so buggy in the last few weeks of beta that I was finnaly convinced it would not be a worth while game in retail. I likened it to being slightly less bug riddled than UO, and now it appears I was correct. I will say though that OSI never prosecuted (or even remotely punished) me for exploiting their game to "House Loot", because at the time they had the sense not to sue fans for their own mistakes.

UPDATE! (1, Funny)

Farley Mullet (604326) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057219)

SBCatacombs [catacombs.com] struck by massive DDoS attack. Shadowy band of crackers known only as "/." suspected. Law enforcement has been called in.

evil masterminds (1)

Machine9 (627913) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057222)

I absolutely -adore- this, it's the kind of stuff my DM does to us ALL THE TIME!

they should be clever about it, and turn all the offending player chars into NPC-evil-masterminds to be defeated after wreaking havoc on the entire continent...

well... (1)

Meeble (633260) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057224)

given that no care in MMORPG is ever given to do server rollback's when they crash or just whimsically decide to [ala OSI / UO] they should just do a rollback of 24 hours and learn from their mistakes. hopefully some screenshots will popup from it soon, that sounds hilarious!

If it was that easy and quick for someone to break into their system that is something the mgmt team needs to explore as the competency of their QA and programmers.

Whew! (5, Funny)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057231)

It's a good thing I've got a life, otherwise I'd be pissed.

that's terrible (5, Funny)

calethix (537786) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057234)

Maybe some company should start selling some type of insurance to help people in these trying times.

Now please excuse me while I begin laughing hysterically.

Hacking consequences in a future Star Trek world: (1)

j_dot_bomb (560211) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057238)

"..teleporting people all over the world, teleporting hostile guards into the safe-holds, ... and teleporting everyone to a city at the bottom of the sea."

Not good for a new game (4, Insightful)

DrTentacle (469268) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057239)

Ubisoft will have to be very careful about how they handle the aftermath of this. The game is only a few months old, and many players who stream into games like this when they open will leave just as quickly if they perceive the game to be sub-par, in a number of areas. Crashes and loss of items/progress in particular seem to be real bugbears for most players. It already happened with Anarchy Online, where players quickly left in droves due to the incredibly buggy release code. How many players are going to stick around if incidents such as this can apparently happen so easily?

hmmm (1)

joper90 (669321) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057242)

brilliant. thing is they must have been messing ages before in the system to work out exactly what to do without crashing the server. Which implies they knew a little too much about the inner workings.. I mean, you cannot just guess what bits of code to change on a MMPOG server to make everyone get sent to the bottom of the sea etc etc..

I don't see the problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6057246)

Sounds like exactly the sort of thing everyone encourages the DM's of my neverwinter nights server to do...

heh (1)

MattKeeler (667765) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057249)

haha, that's hilarious. i bet they were pissed

If everything is in game then deal with it there. (4, Interesting)

Mick D. (89018) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057250)

If they only screwed around in the game world itself and left the real world alone (eg. credit cards, account data, etc) then the company should do the same. From the sound of it, they just showed that 'there is no spoon' to the rest of the game world. We love the movie and the character for doing so, but when someone does the same thing in a 'Real Life' virtual world then they get mad.

Man, this world is getting WAY too many levels to it when I have to destinguish the 'real world's' game world, and the movie world's game world and doing 'real' things in a particular game world and...Ah my brain just gave up.

Been there, done that... (1)

jedi_gras (234700) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057259)

Doesn't this make the whole gaming experience more realistic (in a fantasy sense)?

Does anyone remember the days of mudding in ascii terminals? Gods, coders, wizards could be good, or bad. You just had to try not to piss them off or you would get your equipment stripped and you would be slain. I think it adds a nice dimension to the game. Especially when a "good" wizard/god comes and fights the bad one :)

Re:Been there, done that... (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057423)

But in any MUD game, the ultimate root of authority is the owners of the game servers, who got to decide how "god status" or "admin rights" are awarded. Any "evil god" should be out there to police the game, and if they saw somebody running up a score by the letter of the rules but not the "spirit of the game" they could adjust that score.

That's the problem here. Somebody clearly got more access than they should have to the game's database, and were able to make table-level changes that created game sitations that the rules of the game made unlikely or impossible to occur. That had nothing to do with the playing of the game, the changes were severe enough break the game.

Sounds like "Paranoia Online" (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057271)

Maybe someone should contact Steve Jackson Games...

Prosecution shows lack of hosting skills (1)

McSnarf (676600) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057282)

So - what will happen in this case ?
Good money lost, nobody gains anything.

History shows that in other systems, like the long-dead Habitat or the - almost-as-dead - WorldsAway (http://www.vzones.com), users would always find and abuse security holes.

It was considered part of the game, the players hurt by the actions were given their old status back and noone was ever prosecuted.

This makes the hackers look bad. Prosecution makes them heroes instead.

Think of the children!! (1)

SurgeonGeneral (212572) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057283)

Wont somebody think of the children???

(obligitory Simpsons reference)

Re:Think of the children!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6057435)

Think of the Domo-kuns!

Alternate Headline (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6057285)

Shadowbane Servers Hacked, Brief Period of Actual Fun Ensues

Chaos Ensues? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6057305)

Just have a damn boobies link & get it over with!

OK?

It's not news... It's slashdot!

It is in times like this... (1)

Endimiao (471532) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057315)

... im glad I only buy non-subscription games like Warcraft III and Neverwinter Nights. Nevewinter may not be a MMORPG, but it can actually serve to that purpose with several connected servers.

Have fun in shadowbane world :) It was a great concept... but I guess it still has alot to go yet..

call the national guard! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6057323)

Oh no! Call the national guard! Somebody's game-playing experience has been disturbed!

The tone of the headline is pretty funny IMHO. I know people take these things seriously, but it might be helpful to keep in mind that it is, after all, just a game. Turns out, it is actually not the end of the world if something should go wrong with it.

That is not to say that the people who did this shouldn't be tracked down and prosecuted. They have caused problems for players and the people who are running this thing as part of their business, but more importantly, they apparently need to someone to "explain" to them via fines and/or jail time that it's not OK to do things that negatively affect others just because it amuses you.

its not a hack, its a 'feature' (5, Funny)

Ubergrendle (531719) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057326)

Roll back the game 24 hours, harden the servers, and prepare a creative press release -- problem solved.

"High level characters summoned the Cthulu mythos through misintrepreting portions of the Necronomicon. Accordingly, some of the space/time contiunuum in the game world was temporarily disrupted."

"If you see a glowing green orb, please be aware that this is the Locknar and should not be approached. Unpredictable results may occur."

"Unfortunately, in Shadowbane a character named "Sauron" acquired a randomly generated treasure named "The One Ring". We are investigating the probability factor of the random treasure generator and will patch this in release 1.01."

"Our improbability drive is malfunctioning. Please stand by."

Honestly, I'd be more willing to buy this game if I realised they had a sense of humour.

Dupe story! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6057351)

This is just like the killing of Lord British.

It was unbelievable last night (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6057352)

I was one of the people online last night when it happened. I've only been playing Shadowbane for a little over a week, so my character is pretty weak. However, I've played Everquest extensively, so I knew something wasn't right.

The weird events started out kind of slowly, like the hackers were testing the water at first. You'd hear of something weird happening, and just think some newbie was lost or confused. But then senior players were getting f*cked up. At that point, I just assumed the servers were crashing or something, and I just left the game. I had no idea that the game was being hacked. I should have stayed on longer to see all the wackiness unfold.

Same as hacking anything else (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6057354)

There's are reasons I pay my $10+ a month to play MMORPGs. Expanding content is one reason, but combatting cheating is another major one.

I have been amazed that in playing DAOC for over a year, I have heard of a total of two cheat programs. Unlike Diablo 2 or counter-strike, I can log in and play the game without obvious exploits on the part of my competition. I hope that SB will be the same in this respect.

"why should anyone that found a way to compromise security for a game be prosecuted in real life?!"

This is a dispute between a company and people who gained unauthorized access to their servers and used it to the harassment of other users. The law exists to settle disputes between people and maintain the peace. Seems to me that it's "working as intended."

Prosecute away!

Neo did it! (1)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057355)

Dude, it's just like Matrix! Why didn't he teleport those Australian whitey dreadlox to the bottom of the sea?

It's "Q"!!!! (1)

waterford0069 (580760) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057360)

It seems as if The Continuum has let another one of its members run amok.

I think this says something very interesting. (1)

GojiraDeMonstah (588432) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057367)

Terrorism in virtual societies has a similar impact to that in flesh & blood ones. One would think it's hard to get emotional about some bits moving around the Internet, but people do. We can laugh about how it's just a dumb game, but if one looks at the wording of the statements, the players' reactions, it is reminiscent of the 9/11 aftermath.

I work with a guy who plays Everquest. His guild broke up, and it really affected him. He had even traveled (in the "real" world) to San Francisco (from Texas) and even to Australia to hang out with these people.

I guess the message is that human beings will find a way to develop a culture based on whatever idioms are available. Whether based on a game, religion, sports, pr0n, people evaluate themselves using the metrics whatever culture(s) they belong to value. I agree that losing some hitpoints (or whatever) doesn't compare to starving to death in Somalia, but I do feel sorry for the people who lost something important to them.

Slashdot in Action (0, Offtopic)

E1ven (50485) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057374)

From his Speech, on the Conferance Call-

"Last year we had 7 callers for our earnings, this year we have over.. 240 callers on the line"

Behold the Power of Slashdot.

-Colin

'Matrix' comments are so last week (1)

LittleGuy (267282) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057378)

The attackers wreaked havoc on at least one game server, with apparent god-like capabilities in-game.

Gee, that Jim Carrey [imdb.com] sure gets around...

Humm Matrix? (1)

Pinky (738) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057384)

It's like Neo is trapped inside the game...

He is the one who will bring balence to Shadowbane.

Nerf! (1)

angst7 (62954) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057391)

Aw hell, now Sony's gonna go and nerf the monks again. And you know the troublemaker was just a damn dr00d...

. . . ummm, wait a sec.

---
Jedimom.com [jedimom.com] , picking out a thermos for you.

Oh No... How will we EVER go on!!! (1)

spiedrazer (555388) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057394)

At least the perps of this hack decided to flex their muscles in an arena that 'really' doesn't hurt anyone, except for the reputation of the game's host. Compared to other events in the world this just doesn't stack up as something to get too excited about.

Now if they had interrupted the network feed of the final American Idol or something I could see where we might need to get the full force of the Government involved...

By the way, why do these gamers need a 'Safe Zone'? Is that to rest? Do you get those in real life when you want to take a break from the action?

Text of the linked thread, before slashdotted... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6057395)

Edited slightly to satisfy the nazi Slashdot lameness filter:

W_Bombs
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As I write this, the Mega Guild R30's has HACKED the server on SCORN. 12:25 AM
And taken over Khar. its amazing.

Rolling Thirties (r30's as we fondly call them) some how, hacked or otherwize took over the safehold we know as Khar.

They wiped out everyone in the city, all you see is massive grave sites of young r1's - r5's who thought they were going to a safehold to sell trade etc...

When I arived at the ToL in Khar all I saw was a field of tombstones, and some guys kyting the guards around. Next thing i see (as i make my way to the Runemaster) is a R30 Mino barb beating the piss out of some r1 who went there to train (like i did), i mean beating him like a red headed step child. Just as the runemaster was telling me that i'd successfully repledged to Wainthorp(I was dancing around waiting on that response like a child in a long bathroom line at Disney Land), i saw the barb headed my way, wiping the r1 newbe blood off of his probably godly 2h axe. I checked my shorts when I arived at Wainthorp, and was pleased to find no hershey squirts.

People back at the newbe island didnt believe me, so i did what any rational person would do, dared them to go to Khar. Of course the suckers took me up on it and sent me tells of how very right I was, you could practically hear the axe swings hitting the r1's in the ass over the tells.

And thus I escaped to tell the tail of the day that a MEGA GUILD HACKED and conquered the major safehold on Scorn. My only regret is that could have captured it all on film for the rest of you.

Wonder what UBI/WP will have to say about it. I'd love to see their post, I hope they deny it or something. Anyone who was playing tonight on Scorn will tell you. Shadowbane's safeholds wernt safe this night.

Hacked the server. hmmmmmm.

Well, I'm out. I sincerely hope this doesnt happen to your server.

Whirln Bombs

TopDawg
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RE: As I write this, the Mega Guild R30's has HACKED the server on SCORN. 1:11 AM
I can confirm this as you'll find my grave there a few times (die and respawn to Kahr). Hope Wolfpack and UBI get their act together soon or they will lose another customer. These bugs should have been worked out in BETA.

TopDawg

W_Bombs
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Posts: 33

This is from the UBI website 1:42 AM
Found this on the UBI website:

"We are beginning a massive investigation into the incidents surrounding the Scorn server tonight immeadiately. The Scorn server will most likely be rolled back several hours tonight to a time before these events started occuring. We will be taking the server offline until more information can be gathered. I will update everyone about the server status as more information comes available.

PSiKoTiC
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Posts : 52

RE: As I write this, the Mega Guild R30's has HACKED the server on SCORN. 4:28 AM
Lolz TopDawg. this game IS beta :)

I am a Base-defender.

What's mine is mine, and I make sure everyone knows it. Nobody invades my space without permission - I'd destroy everything I own before letting someone take it from me. I tend to be forward-facing, which is both a strength and a weakness. What Video Game Character Are You?

Sinisterr
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Posts : 5

RE: As I write this, the Mega Guild R30's has HACKED the server on SCORN. 9:03 AM
Just another example of how poorly this game was done, and a waste of time and money. But it is fun to read posts like this lol.

Trol
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Posts: 1254

RE: As I write this, the Mega Guild R30's has HACKED the server on SCORN. 9:13 AM
How the hell could an MMOG have one of their servers hacked? I have never heard of any company that allowed this to happen like this. It involved more than just a guild taking Khar. This was teleporting people all over the world, teleporting hostile guards into the safe-holds, bringing in hordes of special event monster sand teleporting everyone to a city at the bottom of the sea.

They Think They Know Who I Am. All They Know Is I Love To Kill. Face Down, Dead On The Ground. Find Me Before Another Is Found

MrSkippy
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Posts: 58

RE: As I write this, the Mega Guild R30's has HACKED the server on SCORN. 9:27 AM
I SERIOUSLY doubt the R30's hacked the server. The same antics took place on more than one server, involving more than one guild.

From what I can tell it was some individual or group of hackers who managed to crack the communication between the client and server, the server, or the client in a way that enabled the "God Flag" to give them access to CCR and Dev team type skills and abilities within the game.

They then proceeded to run proverbially amok.

If you check the Ubisoft boards someone make a recording of the chaos. and it's a hoot to watch.

We can only hope WP/Ubisoft fix this fast. They rolled back the servers affected, but the question is if the hole used to get in still exists.

Vixis
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Posts: 36

RE: As I write this, the Mega Guild R30's has HACKED the server on SCORN. 10:00 AM
I just cancelled my account...

I can't stand paying for that game anymore

Sounds like a plot for Anime ... (1)

buellboy (619666) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057396)

Oh wait isn't .hack about this, I'd better leave work and check my PS2 just to be sure.

Bottom left of that first link: (4, Funny)

HarmlessScenery (225014) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057399)

7 registered and 721 anonymous users are browsing this forum.

Maybe that should read 'slashdot users' :)

Matrix Reference... (1)

jedi_gras (234700) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057406)

Dude...he's "the one". He got into the core, figure out how to change the world. Saved us all from the slavery and bondage of the Ubisoft programmers.

I find the following comments relevant and funny...
-teleporting hostile guards into the safe-holds
-teleporting everyone to a city at the bottom of the sea
(from another post)
Homer Simpson: There'll be no accusations, just friendly crustaceans [under the sea]

Cool! (1)

WetCat (558132) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057420)

I really like that! I hate the directed ordinarity of MMORPGs in which you "have to know your place in the world". In most MMORPGs you are like Dilbert at a desk: everything is forecastable and stable. This event can bring real life to the stinky mud of MUDs.

RO (0)

jdew (644405) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057424)

heh, those features are just par for the course in Ragnarok Online.. teleporting people to weird places , and summoning huge monsters in the middle of towns among a pile of AFK'ers with messages like "AFK SLEEP" "AFK DINNER" and "AFK BEST FRIEND JUST DIED" and once "AFK GETTING MARRIED" XD

The EverQuest "Mass-Kill" - Yes, it happened! (4, Interesting)

Blackwulf (34848) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057430)

I was a Guide (volunteer CS rep, like an Advisor in Anarchy Online or a Counselor in Ultima Online) for two years in EverQuest, and during that time, one of the other Guides on one of the other servers decided that it would be cool to go out with a bang.

So, she zoned into the Temple of Veeshan (at that time, the highest level zone in the game) and went right in front of Veeshan herself (the uber dragon.)

And then she did a "/who all 50-60" to get all of the high level players on the server.

Then she started /summoning them to her location, and then binding them to that location when they appeared.

Well, when they appeared, Veeshan struck them down with about 2 or 3 blows. And since they were just bound there, they respawned, naked, right in front of Veeshan.

Whack, boom, dead. Reappear, whack, boom, dead.

In EverQuest, when you die, you lose experience. And in EverQuest, you can lose levels if your experience dips down too low.

Some people got deleveled from level 58 to level 53 before the GM staff came in to clear the carnage, and ban the Guide. I know they were considering persecution against this Guide, but I'm not sure if they really went through with it or not.

I believe about 25-30 high-level characters with months of /played time were affected.

I thought it was funny, but it sure made my job as a Guide harder because the playerbase no longer trusted us to keep our cool, and they were calling for the entire Guide program to be disbanded since we were now "too powerful" all of a sudden.

Not the same as hacking the server, but it had the same effect of destroying the games of a segment of the playerbase.

so public (2, Insightful)

m1chael (636773) | more than 11 years ago | (#6057436)

beta testing does work!
shouldnt law enforcement be secondary to fixing the problem? for law enforcement doesnt solve the problem.
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