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Slashback: Rendering, Munich, Clones

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the render-me-this dept.

Slashback 301

Slashback tonight with a passel of updates, corrections and tangents related to recent Slashdot postings, including GNU/Linux vs. Windows in Munich, Bunnie Huang's book on Xbox hacking, Mozilla's 5-line crash-test, and (sigh) yet another SCO note, but at least it's one to smile at. Read on for the details.

How to impress users. chjones writes "The bug that crashes Mozilla with simple HTML has been fixed in the latest nightly build. This was previously mentioned in a Slashback in response to a similar bug in Internet Explorer. No nightly build of IE appears to be available."

Quiet but sterile, or silent and deadly? JerryKnight writes "With the wider availability of TouchStream keyboards, such as at ThinkGeek, I wonder if these great devices are used by anyone else besides me. Since the last story over a year ago, Fingerworks has made quite a few improvements, such as many firmware upgrades and the (currently still Beta) Gesture Editor. Does anyone else find the gesture/mouse benefits to outweigh the headache of learning zero-force typing?"

Would you like to play a game? bigattichouse writes "When I read the piece on using gaming to keep your brain moving, it reminded me of several articles on coders needing 'ramp-up' time to get into coding. I put together a small freeware game PortaLogica as a preliminary attempt to create a game that would help stimulate coding-related-thought. The game is played using schematic logic gates, and trying to get inputs to match outputs. I'd love to flesh it out a bit more (like writing a KDE or Gnome version)..."

Offically official. Alexander Schatten writes "Although Steve Ballmer interrupted his holiday to try to change the decision of the Munich politicians, after some weeks of discussion Munich decided today to change all 14.000 PCs, Notebooks to Linux. Servers as well as Clients!

One of the main reasons was to avoid a too close binding to specific vendors. A wise decision, one will confirm, especially as Munich is one of the biggest cities in Germany and might be an example for other cities. For more details see: SuSE or heise.de (both in German)"

Buy it while it's legal. An anonymous reader writes "Remember Bunnie Huang? He's the MIT student who first hacked the Xbox. He wrote a book that was supposed to be published by a well-known publisher, but the publisher chickened out, afraid of Microsoft's wrath. Bunnie isn't so scared, however. He's publishing the book himself. The book, "Hacking the Xbox," can be purchased from his website. I just saw Bunnie on TechTV, and he's offering a 20 percent discount to TechTV viewers (Scroll to bottom of article to see the coupon code)."

The famous Finnish art of the insult. scotch51 writes "I followed the links to the Raelians website on Friday after ./ reported Linus Torvalds comparing the amazing SCO lawsuit to the Raelians claims of amazing (bio)technological achievements. Today, wanting to show a friend the Raelians rather pretty twist on the Star of David for their own logo, I see that all pages I'd visited yesterday report blank. "Reveal codes" on every page I visited yesterday reveals only: html body /body /html. Guess that's one way to deal with being slashdotted, or were they perhaps hacked?"

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wget -r http://www.sco.com/ (FP) (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062639)

It's time for sco to feel the PAIN!

Re:wget -r http://www.sco.com/ (FP) (0, Redundant)

child_of_mercy (168861) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063165)

nice one!

doing so now.

Not an admin ? (4, Funny)

IanBevan (213109) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062643)

No nightly build of IE appears to be available

Only the near-daily security updates.

Re:Not an admin ? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062840)

Linux is entirely Un-American. I hope SCO can stop the communist-like OS. Terrorists use linux, linux must be destroyed. WinXP is better anyway.

Re:Not an admin ? (3, Funny)

pla (258480) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062851)

Yeah, but who needs their virus scanner broken because of a web browser fix? ;-)


(Note to the humor impaired - I realize the Symantec problem with the newest XP patch has nothing to do with virus scanning. Joke, meet Slashbots; Slashbots, meet joke. Joke != troll, even for very weak values of "joke").

Re:Not an admin ? (0, Troll)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062992)

Wow. What a funny lie.

Re:Not an admin ? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063048)

No nightly build of IE appears to be available

DON'T try windows update!

first post!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062646)

Finally, my lifelong quest to get a first post HAS ARRIVED!!

Yes!! Now I know my life has meaning! And I was just getting depressed. PHEW!!!

Re:first post!! (-1, Offtopic)

SandmanWAIX (674838) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062652)

Nope, you missed it .. you are still worthless.

i am sterile (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062650)

it is a damn shame

Re:i am sterile (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062672)

me too

Munich (4, Interesting)

Gortbusters.org (637314) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062663)

No suprise they choose SuSE... SuSE just dominates the market place over there with Mandrake coming in second. Alas, RedHat is largely US based.

Re:Munich (4, Funny)

captain_craptacular (580116) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062765)

Yeah, buying locally is a terrible idea. We would all be much better of if everyone mail-ordered everything from Taiwan. Money wants to be free and LOVES to travel!

Re:Munich (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062852)

Relax. They will choose support contracts, not software, so it's obvious that local companies can make better offers.

Re:Munich (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062802)

They haven't chosen SuSE. They've chosen Linux. The details, including which distribution it's going to be, are yet to be determined. The decision was only about the general strategy.

Re:Munich (2, Insightful)

daserver (524964) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062955)

When I visited Cebit this year in Germany the only linux distro that you would hear about was Suse, which makes sense since Suse is a german company.

Re:Munich (0, Insightful)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063006)

Yaknow, it's great that MS lost and all, but when Linux wins for no more reason than jingoism, everyone loses.

Re:Munich (5, Informative)

dJCL (183345) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063072)

Bit it is not jingoism, the reports out there state that they had a scoring system, max 10000 and linux got mid 6K area, windows got lower 5K area, so by thier testing and other procedures, they determined that linux would be the best option for them... This is how every company would love to do it, make a true decision based on business needs. and if they did, some would go MS, some would go Linux, but more people would be happy.

Enjoy.

Why oh why? (-1, Offtopic)

cageyjames (642932) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062675)

Its all good.... What am I doing here? Anyone own SCO stock?

Re:Why oh why? (2, Interesting)

Derek (1525) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062800)

No stock, but one of my best T-shirts was a "Caldera" T-shirt. I'll miss it....

-Derek

Re:Why oh why? (0)

cageyjames (642932) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062902)

I'd sue them...

from the last article: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062677)

Guess that's one way to deal with being slashdotted, or were they perhaps hacked?


Obviously they don't want to pay huge bandwidth bills, thanks to slashdot. Maybe slashdot should have the courtesy to email anyone they want to link to, since they're so proud of the effect they have.

Not quite a true victory in munich (5, Interesting)

Bold Marauder (673130) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062680)

While I'm glad to see M$ go down and lose revenue just as much as anyone else, I really feel that we should be more focused on corporate adaptation of Linux in Germany, instead of trying to win the GNU/M$ battle through government intervention.

Re:Not quite a true victory in munich (5, Insightful)

birdman666 (144812) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062717)

Governments are basically corporations nowadays anyway, at least they're being run like them. And if the government can run on something other than Microsoft, other corporations may take notice and give it a shot.

Re:Not quite a true victory in munich (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063021)

Run like a corporation?!? You, my good man, have obviously never worked for the government. I've worked for both and I can say it's night and day. People in corporations get FIRED if they sit around all day and do nothing.

Re:Not quite a true victory in munich (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062754)

To get corporations to adopt it, you need to make one of the biggest customers use it. If the government is using Linux with say OpenOffice and they will only deal with companies whose files they can read, well, the companies will either switch to OO or make sure that OO can read their documents.

Re:Not quite a true victory in munich (5, Interesting)

Jason Earl (1894) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062798)

Actually government adoption of Free Software makes a lot of sense. After all, the German government gets to tax the consultants that set up and customize their Linux systems, while licensing fees end up in the U.S. For government entities building the local economy is an important consideration. You don't build the local economy by sending millions to Redmond Washington (unless, of course, you live in Redmond).

Also, governments are really the only entity that can mandate document formats. It doesn't matter how big your company is, if the government wants their information in OpenOffice format you don't send them an MS Word document.

Most importantly, however, is the fact that a lot of the really large computer installations (where Linux has a definite advantage) are government owned. For small businesses Linux steeper learning curve works against it. In large organizations the openness, flexibility, and scriptability of Linux make it very cost effective to administer.

Re:Not quite a true victory in munich (1)

pyrrho (167252) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062957)

remember when everyone thought of Microsoft as being in Seattle? Once people realized they were in Redmond, it was all down hill from there, no offense to Redmond intended.

Re:Not quite a true victory in munich (2, Interesting)

afidel (530433) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063062)

Well since here in the US MS has been going after state and local governments left and right for liscensing violation, costing taxpayers money both in fines for any technical violations found (it's hard to keep 100% in compliance even if you are putting in the effort, MS liscensing is almost one hundred pages of legalese) and for the time it takes to perform the audit I think it makes sense to switch. Besides the US government is the largest customer of MS so any pressure they could put on MS might bring about real change.

Re:Not quite a true victory in munich (5, Insightful)

Miguel de Icaza (660439) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063077)

Linux on the enterprise (and government) desktop has only just begun.It is therefore difficult to see the trend if you are unaware what the big conversion projects are doing. In this multi-billion contract with the German government IBM will not only be converting all their desktops to SUSE-Linux but they are also charged with developing all the applications necessary, porting many internal office applications based on M$ access, eXcel, VB, SQLserver to KDE/java/MySQL/DB2 (Maybe the German government has come to the KDE teams rescue with much needed cash injection just in time!). This is why many others are sitting on the fence, they say "Oh, great, it has started, let's get in line to be at the counter when the goods are becoming available".

It took the PC about 15 years to take the entreprise.Things like that don't happen overnight. But there is always a point when the critical mass has been reached and from that point on the trend cannot be stopped anymore. Linux is well positioned to reach that critical mass within a few years if ibm/Suse/kde continue to follow their roadmaps as they have done so far.

OOK! (3, Funny)

sulli (195030) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062686)

Quit linking to bugzilla, you insensitive clod!

Re:OOK! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062810)

Uhuh, so we can't deep link [archive.org] to mozilla.org?

If bugzilla can't cope with Slashdot, maybe Bugzilla should get fixed with a simple caching mechanism, for example?

Re:OOK! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062910)

Bugzilla rejects requests with Slashdot-referers. Most users will just see "Ook! Sorry, links to Bugzilla from Slashdot are disabled." when they click on that link, so linking from Slashdot to Bugzilla is really pointless. Doing it anyway is insensitive/rude. It's not illegal or anything, just frowned upon.

Re:OOK! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063069)

Yes, but you can have Mozilla not set the referer tag, and then everything works fine. In particular, "links to Bugzilla from Slashdot" are then enabled.

Anyone else remember this? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062688)

... the Raelians rather pretty twist on the Star of David for their own logo ...

IIRC, the Raelians' symbol used to be a Star of David with a Swastika inside. They changed it a few years ago to the swirly thing. Anyone else remember this?

Re:Anyone else remember this? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063073)

Yeah I remember that, there's some info on it here [bebaptized.org] .

Incidentally, the swastika used to be (still is I guess) a symbol of strength and good luck. More info on that here [about.com] .

Offtopic I guess, but interesting.

Re:Anyone else remember this? (4, Interesting)

catsidhe (454589) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063115)

I actually own a copy of Let's Welcome Our Fathers from Space, which has the original star-of-david/swastika logo on the front cover.

There is a section in the introduction trying to justify this (IIRC, he claimed that both were solar symbols, and the swastika was just another symbol before Herr Hitler anyway, and everyone used it, and...) He is right in the technical sense, about the fylfot and its solar symbolism and ubiquity, but the German National Socialists have ruined it for everyone for quite a long time to come.

Re:Anyone else remember this? (1)

DeltaSigma (583342) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063281)

I was under the impression that the bad one went this way:
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_| |

And the good one went this way:
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| |_

SCOM (3, Funny)

Omega1045 (584264) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062693)

I heard SCO is adding an "M" their name to make it SCOM. This will make it more closely resemble SCUM.

santa cruz unix midgets? (1)

Bold Marauder (673130) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062715)

Santa Cruz Unix ..? ...midgets?

Someone help me out with this last letter here!

Re:santa cruz unix midgets? (0)

Miffe (592354) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062780)

Santa Cruz Unix Morons

Re:SCOM (3, Funny)

bakes (87194) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062790)

I heard SCO is adding an "M" their name to make it SCOM. This will make it more closely resemble SCUM

Conveniently, it also closely resembles "SCAM".

newclear news planned (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062694)

it won't be here amongst the soul DOWt whoredoggIEs of the felonious kingdumb. you can bet your.asp on that won.

lookout bullow. the corepirate stock markup felon's 'candle' is burning at both ends, in a gale force wind of change. consult with yOUR creator. don't get fooled again.

ST JOAN OF ARC PRAY FOR US! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062699)

Catholic Encyclopedia - St. Joan of Arc:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08409c.htm

Joan of Arc (1999/I) (TV)
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0178145

Born at Domremy in Champagne, probably on 6 January, 1412; died at Rouen, 30 May, 1431.

WE REMEMBER YOU ST JOAN OF ARC! Pray for us!

Steve Jobs NOT a Raelian (3, Funny)

JamMasterJGorilla (629611) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062701)

I was looking at the Raelians' website after the Linus story then, after leaving the site my Safari browser unexpectly quit.
Could the Raelians have some secret plan to use a buffer overflow to exploit my computer to attack their critics?
The i began to think, is the Steve Jobs religion just to incompatible with the Raelians? I mean, who needs two god like icons. Steve in his black atire could be the Anti-Raelian, afterall why would he let anyone clone Steve?

Speaking of the Raelean Website... (1)

ProfessionalCookie (673314) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063190)

Dude they have now applied slashdot armor to their website. No more getting slashdotted!!

When ever you go there it loads a Flash Intro.

Looks like they're taking this "keep slashdot out" attitude quite seriously!

Re:Steve Jobs NOT a Raelian (1)

zulux (112259) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063314)

after leaving the site my Safari browser unexpectly quit.


You're fresaking me out - My Konqueror crashed after pressing "Back" on the Raelian site. Konqueror and Safari share good portions of the rendering engine - KHTML, so this could make sense.

Opps, nevermined, I just realised that I left my foil hat with the shiny-side out. I put the shiny-side inwards, and my brain waves are happy again.

I understand oh great one (4, Funny)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062706)

must....render....munich....clones

Re:I understand oh great one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063243)

Tch! Bloody Raelians!

A black man using Loonix? Say it isn't so! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062719)

I work in a small computer store, and we get all sorts of crazy crap:
A darkie comes in with a fucked-up PC (probably stollen). So I boot it up to find a fucked over Mandrake installation.
It turns out he screwed the ext2 file system because he didn't know how to shut the machine down, and he refused to fsck it on reboot.
Dumbass

SCO lawsuit (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062726)

...

Ok, I studied all of the available documentation today for the SCO lawsuit, and as a Harvard-pedigreed lawyer, I regret to say that the Linux community is flat-out screwed.

Novell clearly transferred the rights to give copyright to IBM - I have friends at Novell's legal department that provided me with the text. Fortune 500 companies using Linux have reason to be scared - SCO has MUCH case law on their side, which I will not cite so as not to point back to my Novell source, but it is almost CERTAIN that any corporate users of Linux will end up paying either SCO or Novell (Novell depending on whether they choose to pursue it) royalties. "Free", not as in beer or speech, but as in paying a king's ransom to SCO, I guess.

A dark day for Linux indeed.

What bugs me most about this is all the flak that CIO's that backed Linux are going to get from the suits. Glad I didn't, and to future CIO's, you shouldn't either.

Re:SCO lawsuit (3, Funny)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062751)

SCO has MUCH case law on their side, which I will not cite

Gee, there's something new

Parent quotes out of context (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062771)

Real quote
SCO has MUCH case law on their side, which I will not cite so as not to point back to my Novell source,

I can't blame him for that... you should never reveal your sources.

Re:Parent quotes out of context (1)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062785)

The excuse is irrelevant... without details, it's just more FUD

WRONG. Its called... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062792)

good reporting. A good reporter never reveals their resources. Would you sell your friend up the river for a ./ post?

Re:WRONG. Its called... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062820)

good reporting. A good reporter never reveals their resources. Would you sell your friend up the river for a ./ post?

Hell yes. I'd strangle my mother with her own intestines for ./ karma.

Re:WRONG. Its called... (1)

realdpk (116490) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062888)

Citing case law, which is public (otherwise it'd be sealed, eh?), == selling your friend up the river?

Anyways, it all just smells of FUD. Watch this.

I talked with a few lawyer buddies of mine who work for the firm SCO hired (but are not on the specific case). They say this is a slam dunk - the evidence they have is really quite significant and will stun the community. I will not share the details on the evidence, although you can find it in your newspaper. They said Linux users would definitely have to pay some sort of fee for use.

See, I can play that game too. Except I'm not posting anonymously, so I'm probably not going to come across as credible.

Re:WRONG. Its called... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062946)

Holy crap, you are posting with a name instead of an anonymous IP address, you must be MUCH more credible.

Re:WRONG. Its called... (1)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062928)

No, they don't generally reveal their sources... But they do generally reveal what they're reporting. "SCO is going to win. Someone told me why. But I can't tell you, or someone might guess who my friend is" is not reporting. It has no substance. It says nothing. Fittingly, it was moderated as a Troll.

Re:Parent quotes out of context (1)

realdpk (116490) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062805)

you should never reveal your sources.

If only SCO had hired you before all this, they wouldn't have had to sue IBM. And they'd be making boatloads of money licensing their valuable source code.

Re:SCO lawsuit (2, Insightful)

htm3 (253574) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062878)

hmmm... last time i checked, "all the available documentation" did not include any actual evidence (unless you are now under a sco nda?). all the information you could possibly obtain from novell couldn't help you there... it seems a bit strange that you could arrive at such a conclusion without knowing what sco's "proof" is, no matter how good a lawyer you may be. then again i am no lawyer, so what do i know? - cheers!

Re:SCO lawsuit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062990)

You don't need proof in law anymore. You just need to sway the jury that is hand-picked for gullibility.

Newsflash, troll boy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062912)

Novell is backing Linux

the pain of input devices (5, Interesting)

lingqi (577227) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062752)

Does anyone else find the gesture/mouse benefits to outweigh the headache of learning zero-force typing?

no, I feel the pain for the over 300 dollars deficit in my wallet for such a keyboard.

Seriously though - I would LOVE to try one, but affordability is definitely not one of its good traits. Anybody knows a place where you can rent one for a week? in japan, possibly?

otoh, while not having had any touchstream experience, I can speak from the perspective of a dvorak user - which is the pain of having to resort back to qwerty anywhere else. Not so much a problem for me now, but if you work in IT and needs to troubleshoot people's computers - forget it. (I read stuff like "after you learn dvorak you can revert back to qwerty and be fluent in both" which I am finding out is total bullshit - as much as I like the dvorak layout - switching to qwerty on the fly is not easy)

Not to mention in places such as BIOS and the such, you don't even have the OPTION to configure a dvorak keyboard...

Similar things I predict for touchstream users - you will go to another computer and wave your hand jedi-like and nothing happens and it will cause a ton of frustration. Heck, just imagine going between work and home. Having big trouble affording one, No way in a billion years I can afford two... I will wait for neurological interfaces instead - well, if we are not already batteries / control modules inside the matrix already.

Re:the pain of input devices (1)

davidstrauss (544062) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062943)

Not to mention in places such as BIOS and the such, you don't even have the OPTION to configure a dvorak keyboard...

Why would BIOS even care? It's not like the signal for 'A' from a Dvorak keyboard should be different from another keyboard.

Re:the pain of input devices (1)

Phoukka (83589) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063270)

Because an awful lot of Dvorak users simply remap the keys on an existing qwerty keyboard. Hard to learn on, but if you master Dvorak on a Dvorak-labeled keyboard, your touch-typing skills should carry over to the point where you don't need the labels. At that point, you can just change the keymap in the OS of whatever other computer you find yourself working on and ignore the qwerty-centric labels on the keys. Working on BIOS, though, one's touch-typing Dvorak skills won't help you because there's no such thing as a keymap utility down that far.

Re:the pain of input devices (2, Informative)

Whyrph (620050) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063298)

Why would BIOS even care? It's not like the signal for 'A' from a Dvorak keyboard should be different from another keyboard.


Most people use software translation so they don't have to buy a real Dvorak keyboard, myself included. It's just easier that way.

SOFT-dvorak (1)

lingqi (577227) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063327)

that's the problem. you can't buy dvorak keyboards anywhere reasonable - and certainly not with the same selection of split boards / tiny boards / wireless boards, etc, so the easiest way is to set the keymapping (this can be done in windows and linux alike - i have no idea about macs, however, though i assume no problems).

this means that you may have to rearrange some keys on the keyboard, but once you start to touchtype you don't need to do even that (besides laptop keys are notoriously easy to break); To me this is the more elegant* way to do things, because while you can map a standard qwarty board to whatever you want, if your board was hardwired dvorak, when you want to type, say, german, you are fsck'd (see below for more details).

* i say elegant because this removes the dependency of keyboard with OS. there is a layer in the keyboard driver / handler / blah that does a mapping of key pressed (0xABC) to a character (alphanumeric / control / whatever, or something in japanese, even). modifying this translation layer is more universal but does have the side-effect of making BIOS etc difficult. Yes even if you had a hardwired dvorak you can translate it to german / whatever with this layer too, but that means you have to make your own table. not fun in unix, and even less fun (is it even possible?) in windows.

anyways - the other downside is that for some input methods, like say japanese / chinese, you can't match a dvorak map to it, so it's still qwerty. however with those languages, dvorak is not designed to be the most suitable anyhow, so i am not complaining that much.

Re:the pain of input devices (1)

bobthemonkey13 (215219) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063329)

Most DVORAK keyboards (homemade ones) are just QWERTY keyboards with the keycaps switched around. Thus, they need software-side mapping. You can buy hardware-mapped DVORAK keyboards but this is a bit silly when the average geek already has a bunch of QWERTY keyboards lying around.

Re:the pain of input devices (4, Interesting)

phraktyl (92649) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063266)

I used a dvorak layout for about a week, and was starting to get decent at it, and then tried to edit something in vi. Have you ever tried to move around using H, J, K and L in a dvorak layout?!

It was either dvorak or vi, and vi won by a landslide.

Zero-force typing? (1)

radon28 (593565) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062768)

So, what, that means I just have to think about it and the letters appear?

Re:Zero-force typing? (3, Funny)

realdpk (116490) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062907)

<dpk> Hey Radon28, what's your password?
<radon28> *thinks about password for a split second, decides against sharing*
<dpk> N/m, thanks!

Re:Zero-force typing? (1)

radon28 (593565) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062965)

what?

Re:Zero-force typing? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063140)

off topic, but what the hell

Do you even think of your passwords as symbols? To me it's sort of abstract and it looks rather weird when I accidentally type one where I can read it (as opposed to seeing *'s). My fingers just do the typing, and even if I had to spell it out loud, I probably couldn't.

Re:Zero-force typing? (4, Funny)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063037)

So, what, that means I just have to think about it and the letters appear?
Zero-Force that is not. The Force that is, young one.

Raelians (0)

cageyjames (642932) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062809)

I followed the link and couldn't back out. What a bunch of bastards. :( I wish the site was down after seeing that picture of the guy with the chrome dome... :(

Slightly fun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062826)

This is just the best quote:

"Besides trying to build a game, I wanted to create a tool to help teach logic in a slightly fun way."

Re:Slightly fun (0)

cageyjames (642932) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062854)

Isn't that what that old program LOGO [umich.edu] was?

Do not /. Bugzilla... (5, Informative)

$$$$$exyGal (638164) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062837)

Here's the Bugzilla text:
===

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401

Even though the given testcase might be an abusive use of CSS and as of that to
be considered invalid html the browser crashes on loading this page.

Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. load the testcase

Actual Results:
crash

Expected Results:
rendered the page - at least somehow ;)

<html>
<body>
<fieldset style="position:fixed;">
<legend class="bblack14">Crash test</legend>
hello world content
</fieldset>
</body>
</html>

==
The bug is fixed in the nightly build.

Re:Do not /. Bugzilla... (1)

realdpk (116490) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062929)

Yes, Bugzilla is sacred. /. the other sites all you want. ;)

Re:Do not /. Bugzilla... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063158)

Don't worry... nobody ever actually reads slashbacks.

MODERATORS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062942)

$$$$$exyGal is one of Eric Krout's accounts. Pleas bitchslap it like you did with his "A Proud American" account. Eric Krout is a known homosexual who frequently masturbates to images of Rob Malda.

Re:Do not /. Bugzilla... (1, Insightful)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063171)

Heh...

Anyone else remember the comments about how shitty IE was for having a bug like this?

Zealotry will come and bite ya in the ass. Hehehe...

Re:Do not /. Bugzilla... (1)

Type-R (8130) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063308)

Yeah... except that mozilla has fixed the problem and shown people what went wrong.. IE is still broken.. That's a case of zealotry being validated, lol.

Re. the mozilla rendering bug... (1)

Bake (2609) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062848)

Does anyone know if it's also fixed in recent nightly builds of FireBird (The Browser Formerly Known As Phoenix)?

What Madonna has to say about it all.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062879)

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help me out please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6062939)

how do i set the proxy environment variable in linux? thanks, geeks. you guys are the best

Touchstream Keyboards (1)

Gyorg_Lavode (520114) | more than 11 years ago | (#6062941)

I just got my touchstream keyboard today. My typing is a little slower but it's still faster than most peoples typing. I have more mistakes but not that many more, ( and most of them are from the rearamgement of the keys from a normal keyboard, not from touch typing). I really like it already. The gestures are great and not having to move your hand to move your mouse is very nice. It's definately expensive, but it was my graduation to myself. Anyway, I think it's great. As the price for the technology comes down, I imagine everyone will be using this type of thing.

Re:Touchstream Keyboards (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063064)

I've been using the Touchstream since Xmas. My typing has improved a lot since starting but I still think there are improvements that could be made (slight ridges that give better location feel of keys, for example). Hand position is critical when starting long text entries. Nonetheless, I like it a lot, the gestures are a huge improvement to stopping, moving your hand, setting up the mouse, deleting (or whatever), moving your hand back, and typing. I use a bunch of features constantly like magnifying my browser view for certain websites, opening apps, closing apps, saving, etc. And I use it at work while I have an old Darwin Smartboard at home. The transition is a little funny but just emphasizes how much I dislike having to go to my trackball for window movement.

SCO to sue IBM for hardware copyright violations? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063002)


penis.

Soviet Rendering (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063003)

In Soviet Russia, Munich clones render you!

moron having your head extracted from your .asp (-1, Offtopic)

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Fingerworks LP ZeroForce Keyboard... (3, Informative)

GNU_Suit (123400) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063016)

is incredible. I recently bought one (DVORAK no less) and it's made interacting with my computer a lot more productive.

Also, I don't buy the story about difficulty in going between QWERTY and DVORAK as I do it each day between my home machines and the one I use at work. If there was a problem, it's not that expensive to buy two ($300... for good hardware, it's not a bad price!).

If anyone who reports to me preferred a non-QWERTY keyboard, I'd be happy to purchase one for him/her to use. It's very much akin to someone who is left handed wanting lefty scissors.

Re:Fingerworks LP ZeroForce Keyboard... (1)

dajt (39633) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063331)

I just use a PFU Industries Happy Hacker with the layout remapped to Dvorak in software. It sure cured me of the sin of looking at my hands while I type! To type in qwerty, I just need to look at the keys :-)

Mozilla bug fixed and apples and oranges (3, Insightful)

RhettLivingston (544140) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063024)

To compare the release of a fix for a Mozilla bug in a nightly build of the development trunk to the release of an Explorer patch is an apples and oranges comparison at the least. Post the story when the Mozilla bug fix has been run through a complete test cycle and appears in a stable release. Put another way, if Mozilla had a system designed to drive the fix out to every user including the secretaries and the grandmothers in the nursing home (maybe it has, I don't know), you might have a story if they drove their fix out before Microsoft drives theirs out. To know whether the comparison made today means anything, you'd have to know whether Microsoft has fixed this in their internal nightly builds.

porta logica ? Logic games (3, Interesting)

innocent_white_lamb (151825) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063065)

Want logic games?

Try some of the games in Mame [mame.net] (also available for Linux/Unix [mame.net] ) such as: Boxy Boy [www.mame.dk] , Chicken Shift [www.mame.dk] , Logic Pro [www.mame.dk] , Logic Pro 2 [www.mame.dk] , Phozon [www.mame.dk] , Pushman [www.mame.dk] , and Wise Guy [www.mame.dk] .

Some of these can are real real brain-busters.

PortaLogica (1)

scrotch (605605) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063087)

That PortaLogica looks pretty cool to me. Wonder if it runs on my computer...

Doesn't mention any system requirements at all. Maybe it runs on my old C64. They do mention the C64.

That must be it.

moron rendering unix clones (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063142)

can't tell you what they'll be 'named', but there'll be LOTs of them.

winux come to mind. might find a weigh to make a few billyonerrors on that won? lookout bullow.

Succomb To The Hype While It's Legal (2, Interesting)

istartedi (132515) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063184)

Last time I heard, TechTV is owned in part by Paul Allen. Is it just possible that this whole brewhaha is nothing more than a charade designed to get us to say "X-box" all the time? Oh no... it's working. No thanks. I'll keep my $24.99-20%+shipping and spend it on beer or something.

Raelians slashdotted? (3, Funny)

vladkrupin (44145) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063280)

No, they just moved the servers to the outer space and what you saw was a glitch during the transition.
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