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Video Games Boost Visual Skills

simoniker posted more than 11 years ago | from the we-thought-it-was-the-caffeine dept.

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cmburns69 writes "A new study published in Nature Magazine (MSNBC summary) suggests that playing action games improves visual skills. Among other things, young adults who played action games such as Grand Theft Auto and Medal of Honor regularly could track up to five objects at a time - 30% more than non-players. Apparently, the game type is important, as ten hours of the block-rotating game Tetris failed to improve test scores."

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nothing but pratfalls (5, Funny)

sweeney37 (325921) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063106)

I've been playing video games my entire life, and yet I've had 5 automobile accidents, countless number of knife mishaps and I am probably up for "most likely to be on 'America's Funniest Home Videos'".

so we all know what this means, I need to play even MORE video games, or less Grand Theft Auto.

Mike

Re:nothing but pratfalls (1, Funny)

telstar (236404) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063123)

...or maybe move from the 'hood.
Countless knife mishaps?

stop (2, Funny)

waspleg (316038) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063130)

suck1ng y0u n00b, y0u n33d m4d CS sk1llz t0 b3 l1k3 n30...

(CAUTION: preceding is sarcasm; post-disclaimer for the retarded)

Re:nothing but pratfalls (1)

randomned (669691) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063173)

he he he...sweeney37, you sound like me...I'm 22, and have had 8 accidents, gone through 4 cars, dozens of speeding tickets (if video games are supposed to help you track more objects, why wasn't I able to see the cop?), more stitches than a retired hockey player...thank god for health insurance.... hmmm...(light bulb)... maybe the result of all my accidents, speeding tickets, and stiches comes from the influence of all these violent video games on my youthful mind I know games like Test Drive and Need For Speed contribute to my continued defiance of speed limits...whenever I play one of those games, I try to make the engine of my Hyundai Accent explode...

Re:nothing but pratfalls (5, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063231)

I've been playing video games my entire life, and yet I've had 5 automobile accidents, countless number of knife mishaps and I am probably up for "most likely to be on 'America's Funniest Home Videos'".

I had lots of accidents when I was younger, but many of them because I was an aggressive driver. One potential problem (note: this is anecdotal) is games may have reinforced a very competitive personality. I.e. those things within my control I'll push to the limit to win, those outside my control I'll just swear at. Solution to the aggressive driving thing, get a vehicle with little pep and decent gas mileage. Patience is a virtue, especially as it keeps you out of many accidents and lowers the points on your record.

so we all know what this means, I need to play even MORE video games, or less Grand Theft Auto.

Delving into the actual study may reveal it's games which encourage good on-the-fly plan developing and limited time spent on it and a good diet (the study center only fed the subjects healthy food.) I know when I was seriously hooked on games I'd skip food until my bloodsugar made me twitchy.

Re:nothing but pratfalls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063285)

no, it means you're a twitchy bastard. do you have ADHD?

I have experienced the opposite (5, Interesting)

CrazyJim0 (324487) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063349)

I learned two things from video games:

Strategy and reflexes, both help my driving.

Aside from one incident where I almost rammed someone's car after playing too much destruction derby, I am a wicked driver.

I've physically dodged some wild accidents, and once I powerslided to dodge an accident... Since my car is shorter perpendicular to the road as opposed to straight on it, I avoided an accident by a few inches... People who don't use their turn signal are asking for it.

Mainly I avoid accidents by putting a ton of car lengths ahead of me... Sure aggressive drivers can juke in, but those fuckers are just as likely to juke out too. All that dodging is not a sign of a good driver, just a retard.

Without games you probably wouldn't have survived (4, Funny)

AHumbleOpinion (546848) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063353)

Without games you probably wouldn't have survived this long. Imagine all the additional auto accidents and knife mishaps you would have suffered without all the training. ;-)

Re:nothing but pratfalls (1, Funny)

swordboy (472941) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063365)

so we all know what this means, I need to play even MORE video games, or less Grand Theft Auto.

I've heard that porn can improve one's fine motor skills.

Re:nothing but pratfalls (1)

AvantLegion (595806) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063366)

I've been playing video games my entire life, and yet I've had 5 automobile accidents, countless number of knife mishaps and I am probably up for "most likely to be on 'America's Funniest Home Videos'".

Well, if you didn't play video games, you probably would no longer be around to irritate us.

So... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063111)

Does masturbation?

Hmmmmmm I don't know (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063112)

First posty or Third no more than 5th I am sure. Bow down to me. Gay people drive bad.

Re:Hmmmmmm I don't know (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063223)

Gay people drive bad.

Well yeah, it's cause they sit on the stick shift.

HAHAHAHAHAHA fags.

my leet action game skills (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063113)

let me get first post!

worlds craziest first post: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063116)

then the goatse had me by the balls he stuck a finger into my anus and started to pull by then my anus was the size of a baseball no goatse no i cried but he was too strong to resist i soon became aroused and grew a raging hardon goatse offered me his ass as he kept stretching mine i tried to fuck him but the gaping hole was just too damn loose by now i could feel my ass being stretched to gigantic porportions he wouldnt stop until i had the same diameter has he a minute later he stuck his entire head up in my anal cavaty and started to pump away his cock in hand i started to jerk away as i began to climax we both blew our loads onto the little girl who was watching us the whole time being on the back of a buss youd think people would notice but the only one who cared was that little girl of no more than 10

Re:worlds craziest first post: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063252)

then the goatse had me by the

Looks like your reflexes are failing you, better get back to video games.

first post! and an actual comment! (1)

zors (665805) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063117)

wow, its true. all those years of saying it to my parents, not believeing it myself. and its true. craziness. surely a sign of the apocalypse. p.s. first post!

Re:first post! and an actual comment! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063170)

Maybe next life.
Sorry kid, the good news is you can now commit suicide without shame.

Re:first post! and an actual comment! (0, Offtopic)

swordboy (472941) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063385)

p.s. first post!

If only...

I wish someone would've told my mother that (1)

randomned (669691) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063121)

If someone would've told my mother that video games helped improve visual skills, I probably would've gotten a nintendo when I was 5, instead of having to live with that TI-99/4A computer...instead, I learned to program in BASIC...

Re:I wish someone would've told my mother that (1)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063208)

One thing that the TI-99/4a computer had over other computers that were on the market place was it's text to speech abilitiees. While you needed the cartrage, either Terminal Emulator II (phonym based), extended basic (word based), or some other title with speech in it that I can't remember the name of.

Dispite having access to Socrates educational software, the TI was a poor choice in the end cause they stoped making them, and the software support was squat. But never the less, there still was a slew of games for it that were actually designed to prompte visual relation skils.

This is one thing I've observed in english majors. While they are well educated, they often times don't have the spacial relation skils required to pack boxes full of stuff when they move.

The Nintendo had some promise to it, the fact that it was based on a 6502 like Atari and Commodore were at the time, but didn't have much in the way of educational titles, unlike the 5200 which you could buy things like "Nasa space shuttle simulator".

Re:I wish someone would've told my mother that (2, Insightful)

qortra (591818) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063321)

I think the ability to program is far more valuable than the marginal hand-eye coordination/spacial orientation that playing video games offers. You should feel fortunate that you childhood was spent in more valuable ways; I pissed mine away with nintendo, and sometimes I regret it.

Re:I wish someone would've told my mother that (1)

swordboy (472941) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063408)

video games helped improve visual skills

They do improve visual skills...

Visual Basic, Visual Studio, Visual C++ and so on...

Not speaking of visual skills (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063122)

Wild Things! is on VH1... mmmm... Denise Richards.... all wet.

I knew it... (3, Funny)

banzai75 (310300) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063125)

I knew Virtual Valerie had to be good for me.

Games are not just entertainment (5, Insightful)

Kethinov (636034) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063127)

Several friends of mine credit their above average vocabularies and problem solving abilities to RPGs among other games. There's a reason why most nerdy smart people play video games!

Re:Games are not just entertainment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063159)

Because these smart people wouldn't have picked up large vocabularies doing other things... like reading?

Re:Games are not just entertainment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063282)

Usually, these are the only people who play RPGs (sorry)... :p

Re:Games are not just entertainment (5, Insightful)

RyatNrrd (662756) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063289)

A pity then even nerdy smart people can seldom recognise the fact that correlation does not tell you the direction of causation. Do RPGs make you smarter, or do smart people like just RPGs?

Re:Games are not just entertainment (4, Funny)

juuri (7678) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063425)

Personally I blame, er praise, RPGs for my full backpack. Thanks to needing every random item known to mankind to beat the evil boss and save the world my day to day backpack has way too much shit in it.

Do I really need my laptop when I go out today? What about sunglasses? Extra memeory for the digital camera? Wait, do I even need the camera. OF COURSE I DO!@#!@# WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN!@#$!R

I really do believe RPGs can help one home problem solving skills, something that seems to be pretty lacking in our society these days. Of course I don't have any proof for this but it seems that everyone I know who likes and is good at RPGs are pretty good at solving problems but not all of these people are what would normally be considered smart.

Re:Games are not just entertainment (4, Funny)

Dimensio (311070) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063317)

Odd. The dialogue in many of the console RPGs that I have played would, IMO, lead to a decrease in verbal skills. What kind of spoony friends do you have?

Re:Games are not just entertainment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063364)

those are not RPGs. RPGs are played on table tops, with paper, possibly little figurines and an assortment of dice. They have no consoles!

Re:Games are not just entertainment (1)

The Analog Kid (565327) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063344)

Yes they do seem to use quite large vocabularies in games. It's help me, that or possibly Neil Peart.

and.... (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063397)

Several friends of mine credit their above average vocabularies and problem solving abilities to RPGs among other games

As opposed to living in a van, down by the river, it is always a good idea to interact with others, on most any level (going to the 7-Eleven...talking with your probation officer...apologizing for the dog, when he eats your math homework, etc.), if you wish to improve your vocabulary and problem solving skills. Crediting RPGs is like thanking the YMCA for keeping city buses from running around with large blank spaces on their sides.

It's called interactivity, and without it, said aforementioned skills tend to wane quickly.

And don't anyone let it slip that there is only one real person playing RPGs, anywhere...if that guy learns the responses during the game are preprogrammed, and he is actually there alone, he just might decide to cheat, and teleport the whole virtual gang to a van...down by the river!.

Re:Games are not just entertainment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063412)

Funny, though I like RPGs, I've never attributed my expansive vocabulary to games. I attribute it to reading a lot...I've found most people who have a tolerance for not-so action packed RPGs tend to read more than the average person.

Take that Mom! (5, Funny)

tomakaan (673394) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063128)

And Mom always said Video Games would kill all of my brain cells!

FUCK SLASHDOT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063134)

Last post! Fuck Aibo!

Re:FUCK SLASHDOT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063188)

Yeah, and the little dog too!

They would have mentioned Counter Strike.... (5, Funny)

rune2 (547599) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063138)

But everybody was cheating so it didn't matter anyway.

Another possibility... (5, Insightful)

Peter S. Housel (26481) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063141)

... is that people who can't track that many objects at once are turned off by games and don't play them. The article doesn't say whether they tried to account for this factor or not.

Re:Another possibility... (4, Insightful)

The Only Druid (587299) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063202)

This is unfortunately a flaw of this type of scientific experiment. While it seems to fit the formula for a proper experiment at first (make a prediction, test it with an experimental group while not testing it on a control group, compare results with your prediction, analyze), its flawed in that it doesn't make it clear whether its a causal connection or merely coincidence (i.e. the two traits - game playing and better visual acuity - may be connected not because they affect each other, but because of some third locus), and moreover if its causal it doesn't determine which causes which.

The way to test this, of course, is to test the groups' visual abilities first at the onset of the experiment, then have them play the games extensively for a lengthy period of time (several weeks, months, or years depending on how long such neurological structures take to emerge), then test those abilities again.

Re:Another possibility... (4, Insightful)

snarkh (118018) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063203)

They did the some experiments training people as well to play computer games. Sure enough, performance improved.

I don't see this result as anything particularly surprising. If you work out, you become stronger. If you have to track multiple objects on screen, your tracking ability improves.

Re:Another possibility... (1)

el-spectre (668104) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063312)

What would be really interesting is to figure out _why_ your tracking ability improves... Working out is simple... you damage muscle, the body overbuilds when compensating... bingo, you're stronger. It's a well understood chemical phenomenon, with no known analog in the brain (at least, not known to me).

Re:Another possibility... (1)

Redking (89329) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063377)

If you have to track multiple objects on screen, your tracking ability improves.
Not necessarily, because the article states that improvement was apparent in games like Grand Theft Auto or Medal of Honor, but not in Tetris. So the researcher hypothesized that perhaps when people have to defend themselves they learn quicker. It's possible that might be the pearl of this research.

Re:Another possibility... (4, Insightful)

MoTec (23112) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063301)

The article's references do mention that they compared "habitual" game players with non game players and (no suprise) they scored higher. It makes sense that a lot of that would have to do with what you mentioned.

It also mentions, however: In a fifth experiment, non-players trained on an action video game show marked improvement from their pre-training abilities, thereby establishing the role of playing in this effect.

So, even tho the habitual gamers outscored non-videogame players there is apparently some "training" possible.

Re:Another possibility... (3, Informative)

koreth (409849) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063323)

Salon's version of the story [salon.com] says they did account for that (by testing a group of non-gamers along with the gamers). The non-gamers didn't benefit from Tetris but did benefit from the fast-action games.

my theory (1)

lingqi (577227) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063375)

is that with games you are honing your center vision, able to track more objects in a limited field of view. however, this would mean you have lower peripheral vision capabilities.

i mean, brain only has this much computation power, spending a lot of time staring straight into the screen in front of you would certainly hone a different type of ability than, say, soccer, where you'd better be aware of the guy behind you who would probably put a leg in your crouch in risk of a red card but toss you out of the gene-pool?

no i did not elaborate as much as i could on this theory - i am feeling sleepy - so finding more evidence to support this theory is left as an excercise to the reader.

The article failed to mention a little fact (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063384)

...that 90% of the respondents had excellent recollection when the items in question consisted of one blue key, one red key, and one yellow key.

I Must Be Defective... (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063143)

I played video games for years. I gladly suffered Repetitive Stress Injuries, lost sleep, became stressed out and think staring so close to a screen for long times without blinking affected my eyes. Not that I didn't enjoy playing games, but In moderation I suppose it helps, but only early on, as motor skill development curbs rapidly after the early teens, i.e. it's harder to learn to ski as an adult than as a child.

What next, a diet of Doritos and Mt. Dew make you a stud?

Coordination. (1)

villain170 (664238) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063149)

I always held the belief that hand-eye coordination was vastly improved through video gaming.

Re:Coordination. (1)

cmburns69 (169686) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063300)

In my own personal experience, hand-eye coordination doesn't improve much from gaming.. But my twitch-eye coordination is really great. I can catch flies with my bare hands!

On the other hand, ewwww!

Wow....ya think? (1)

Cat9117600 (627358) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063154)

So let me get this straight, it took a study to realize that playing games where you have to track the movements on screen, while paying attention to what you're doing, will help you to track objects in real life? Isn't this like saying that playing video card games will help you get better at real life card games?

"Game type is important" (5, Funny)

twoallbeefpatties (615632) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063161)

Makes sense to me.

Grand Theft Auto: "Shat! That cop's gonna catch me! I gotta pay attention!"

Medal of Honor: "Shat! That nazi's gonna catch me! I gotta pay attention!"

Tetris: "Shat! That block's gonna... fall... somewhere... Ehn, no big loss."

Standard cynical response (1)

cyranoVR (518628) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063166)

What else improves hand-eye coordination and tracking skills? Playing catch outside, perhaps?

Huh? What's that? Tracking 5 objects at once, you say?

Er, nevermind...

Re:Standard cynical response (1)

Bold Marauder (673130) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063249)

Just off the top of my head, when you're playing baseball, you're probably keeping track of

where the ball is

wether or not someone is trying to "steal" a "base"

how much distance between you and the next base you need to reach [or the next player that you want to try to "tag out"]

where you can conviently spit your chaw

The signals being sent between the "pitcher" and the "catcher"

there, five, and I wasn't even trying, PLUS I'm not familiar with the game.

Re:Standard cynical response (1)

cyranoVR (518628) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063410)

Ah, but how many american youths actually play little league? I was thinking just "catch" (i.e. two people one ball) which is far more common (or at least used to be).

Also, 10 year-old kids chawing tobaccy? Yech. Not unheard of though.

well... (2, Funny)

edrugtrader (442064) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063176)

masturbating 3 times a day got rid of my carpal tunnel...

Re:well... (2, Funny)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063244)

Are you genitals ergonomic?

Re:well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063256)

Me too... but now I have RPS (raw penis syndrome).

No kidding... (1)

Monthenor (42511) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063182)

...playing Tetris [gerbilmechs.com] hasn't helped my test scores any!

In other news (4, Funny)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063193)

...test subjects forced to play ten straight hours of Tetris exhibited twelve times the rate of violent activity seen in the control group.

Did anyone read the fine print.? (5, Funny)

mrklin (608689) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063194)

It is very very small, white-on-white, 4pt text all the way down on page 76:

University of Rochester would like to thank the following sponsors of the study: Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Rockstar Games and Electronic Art.

(Please make check payable to Thomas H. Jackson, President, University of Rochester.)

Re:Did anyone read the fine print.? (1)

Cubeman (530448) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063260)

Maybe by sponsors they mean that the companies donated copies of their software for the testing labs? I don't think it would look good for the university to be using illegal copies of the software.

Re:Did anyone read the fine print.? (1)

parkanoid (573952) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063310)

I suppose you have a personal subscription/site license as such seem to be required to view the full article. Either that, or parent was supposed to be +1 Funny.

Re:Did anyone read the fine print.? (1)

mrklin (608689) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063374)

Shoot, I do not want to be sued for libel either. So in case if anyone did not get it, it was suppose to be tongue-in-cheek!

However, for all I know, the text could very well be in there but it most likely would not be small and white-on-white and would not have the "make check payable line". (If someone did read the actual study and found those lines, please let me know!) :)

Re:Did anyone read the fine print.? (1)

AvantLegion (595806) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063401)

Electronic Art.

They only wanted to thank one of them?

Ten Hours (1)

aeinome (672135) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063198)

as ten hours of the block-rotating game Tetris

Only ten hours? I remember when I had a DOS version of Tetris... it sucked up all the free time I had. I never really got any homework, so a look at my elementary report card wouldn't be a good measure of my abilities.

Intereting audio theory (1)

k03 kalle (669378) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063213)

I play CS nearly nonstop, and I still have horrid vision. I use my ears in CS more than anything though. Did they try testing that...?

What factors do you think hearing may play in action games like CS that require you to listen to footsteps to anticipate your opponents. If this data is true, then shouldn't my hearing be inproved as well...? I find that I can now hear footsteps in the game and tell how many people are running, how close they are to me, and other important game data.

Games rock afterall...

-kalle

Re:IntereSting audio theory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063246)

You forgot your "S" nub. CS hasn't improved your sp3lling skIlLZ thouGH. Game over. You lose.

Re:IntereSting audio theory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063326)

Yeah maybe you should put down the headphones and read a book..

Terrorists win.

10 hours of Tetris!!!! In a Row (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063217)

10 hours of Tetris!!!! In a Row. I know my brain would be jelly after that.

Hand Eye Coordination... (4, Interesting)

Cyno01 (573917) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063219)

I've been working on improving my hand eye coordination(it has many advantages beyond gaming). This probably sounds stupid, but i've been slowly increasing the gamespeed on Unreal Tournament. Once my stats go back up to what was my average level on 100% gamespeed i bump it up a few more percentages. I'm in the 150%s now, its crazy fast, but not as hard as you'd think.

What about mech games! (4, Insightful)

Buzz_Litebeer (539463) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063228)

I had to track radar, what weapon i was on, ammo amounts, and what direction my top toros was facing!

what did they say about mech games!

oh man, I feel so left out.

But on a more serious note. I think these games do increase twitch re-actions for people, to be even remotely good you have to be able to identify a things distance, and even slight variations on where it exists in space to determine if you are going to fire at it.

Just taking medal of honor for example, many times on servers which force the skin type, it can be very hard to determine if someone is behind a wall because of the lack of contrast between default uniforms and the background.

The ability to know how thick an object is can really help determine how abnormal its shape is versus what it should be.

Anyone thats played these games a while, and has become familiar with where things are on there maps can almost run them backward. I used to play on a map called canalzone (the original for qwtf) that was "huge" and I could run it backward, or looking straight at the ground, as long as i knew where my start positon was. You need a good feel for how large the 3d space is relative to your character in the game to be able to do these kinds of things.

Now on games where weapons have travel time in space, knowledge of 3d space is even more important, games such as mechwarrior 4, coupled with some lag, require to know the movement speed in space so you can lead the target. If you dont have any idea how they are going to change relative shape vs distance in space, you are much less likely to hit your target.

so the hypothesis that games can affect how you determine things in 3d space seems completely plausible to me, because having "trained" people to play many 3d games myself (planetfortress.com/canalzone) (www.themfb.com search on wayback machine or google) I can tell you that the ability to have a good twitch instinct and judgment factors about objects in 3d space can really help.

Sidewinder (1)

Cyno01 (573917) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063419)

With the right joystick you dont have to worry about torso twist. I got hooked on ghost bear legacy and mercenaries in 5th grade with an old M$ Sidewinder joystick [pcgamereview.com] . Great for that game, throtle, hat switch for eye movement, the whole handle twisted for torso position...

How true.. (2, Interesting)

phreaknb (611492) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063230)

I had been playing quake3 for well over a year and my rail skills were pretty good. I went to camp for a month and took an elective called shooting sports. I got to shoot a shotgun for the first time in my life. My first time to ever shoot at moving targets. I was in a class with people who shot lots of guns, and I did the best :P

Re:How true.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063283)

I went to camp for a month...

Must have been a large map...

Re:How true.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063378)

this one time i was at band camp

vice city (-1, Troll)

Miguel de Icaza (660439) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063232)

first i always do some drugs, then shoot my machine-gun into a crowd. get behind the wheel of some car i just jacked, run over dozens of innocent people. Pick up a dirty-whore, drive somewhere secluded and bone her, afterwards always kill the bitch with a knife just to get my money back. finally maybe another 5 minutes sniping the good ol' street cattle.

After that i fire up IE hit MSDN and get back to hacking C#, its "as easy as killing babies with axes."

Re:vice city (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063294)

Visual skills as in hand-eye. not M$ Visual Studio.NET Skillz... IDIOT

In Other News... (5, Funny)

Teckla (630646) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063234)

Teenage males that use the Internet regularly can identify pr0n actresses with 70% greater accuracy than teenage males that don't use the Internet regularly.

-Teckla

Let me guess. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6063247)

Game sales waning? I'm sure there's a study waiting to be written that will show how twitch and shoot games are good for inculcating a sense of freedom in the players. Listen, you stupid geek retards... playing video games makes you fucking dull and stupid.


D U H !

3.5 objects?! (4, Funny)

isa-kuruption (317695) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063261)

regularly could track up to five objects at a time - 30% more than non-players.

That's 3.5 objects for a non-player... hrmmm... I'd like to see that guy who only tracked half an object.

30% more? (1)

oz_ko (571352) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063263)

Did anyone else think - 30% more? 5 objects? Wow!!

That like an increase of 1.15 objects, up from 3.85. This is significant folks!!!! Gimmie more!!!

I didn't think so

So um.. (0)

crazysim (669230) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063272)

Should I try driving two cars in my car? *hooks up Ps2 and Vc to Car and proceeds to drive it while running away from the police in real life and GTA.

And in other news ... (4, Interesting)

DogIsMyCoprocessor (642655) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063291)

talking to real people improves social skills, and getting outside for a bike ride improves physical skills.

how about loss of vision? (4, Insightful)

brer_rabbit (195413) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063293)

Sitting in front of a CRT all day playing games does wonders for your eyes. Those l33t visual skills aren't going to help when you can't see more than 10 feet in front of you. You're better off playing with yourself, at least going blind that way is an urban legend.

I've been wondering (0, Troll)

bhsx (458600) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063411)

I've been slowly losing my vision and was wondering what was actually causing it. It's getting so bad I've had to set my fonts to 18 minimum. So I've been wondering if it's from streigning in front of a CRT for 10 hours at a time. Turns out I just needed to clean my screen from all the pr0n juice.
budumdum.

Re:how about loss of vision? (4, Informative)

sweeney37 (325921) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063417)

from https://msds.open.ac.uk [open.ac.uk] :

Eyes and eyesight
There's no evidence that working with display screen equipment is harmful to the eyes, nor that it makes visual problems worse, although a few people who have difficulties with their sight may become more aware of them. But working at a screen for a long time without a break can have effects similar to reading or writing uninterruptedly, and may make your eyes feel 'tired' or sore. You might find that it helps to look away from the screen from time to time and focus your eyes on a distant object.

Re:how about loss of vision? (1)

antiMStroll (664213) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063421)

Good point. Locking your depth of focus to one plane for hours on end can't be doing your eyes any favours, unlike using a computer at work where boredom and distractions pull you away from the screen, giving your eyes a break.

not just video games (1)

stagl (569675) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063297)

i think a better way of looking it is that games in general excersize the mind in stimulating and entertaining ways. i remember playing quite a bit of "perfection" (the one where you fit the square peg in the square hole, triangluar in the triangle hole, etc. before time runs out) and man, while a challenge, really works the association muscle in the brain. i think anything where you have to solve problems and actually think is good...whereas tv sometimes is a numbing experience (i say sometimes cuz back when i had cable, i actually would only watch the discovery channel).

that is all.

the question everyone wants to know... (1)

Tuxinatorium (463682) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063302)

do video games make chicks dig you? The answer is hell no, unless they're nerdy as hell.

70's and 80's predicted this. (1)

CrazyJim0 (324487) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063311)

I seriously dedicated my life towards video games at an early age... Stuff like the last starfighter, and robotech... talking about video game simulation players owning it up.

At 6 yrs old, like 1983, I swore I'd work the best I could towards playing video games. Theres been ups and downs, but I'm one of the best video game players around now. I've gotten more skills from playing video games than much of anything else. Most of the skills are strategy, as even action games dictate a strategy.

I'm having fun now making my own game having experienced all that came before. I would be unable to compete, but I'm using CrystalSpace, an open source 3d engine.

What good are visual skills if ... (1, Flamebait)

jrl87 (669651) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063325)

... You can't actually play real sports ... You can't (or are unwilling to) socialize ... You can't see your hand in front of your face without your glasses ... You never go outside ...

Field of perception (1)

Daath (225404) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063340)

This seems logical to me! A lot of speed reading techniques helps you train your field of perception. I.e. normally you only "see" a word or two at a time... With the right techniques you can gradually increase the number of words you read at a time.
Trained speed readers percieve whole lines at a time! I remember my former English teacher in high school read a third of a page in a glance - He read REALLY fast! :)

Check out this google search [google.com] ! Now go learn it!!

I've experienced a similar thing (3, Interesting)

FearUncertaintyDoubt (578295) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063343)

I've been juggling since I was about 12. I'm not an expert, but I've been working on juggling 5 balls for the last few years, and can do it reasonably well. 5 is much harder than 3, and takes very good rythm, vision, and reflexes -- you're tracking all those balls and trying to keep them moving in a very precise pattern.

Because of this, my vision and reflexes are kind of sharp -- at least in a specific way. I've had many moments that remind me of the scene in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, where the older lady knocks over the cup to test the young girl's reflexes. She snatches the cup without thinking. I'm always catching things while they are being knocked over or grabbing things out of midair, just out of conditioning.

However, I suck at a lot of other physical things, most sports, and am a bit of a klutz at times. It's kind of like working on your bicep over and over, but neglecting other things. You've got this unnaturally strong bicep but the rest is much weaker. And I don't juggle, thinking of how this is going to pay off in all these other ways. I just like to juggle.

I'm pretty much just speculating, but I would suspect that playing a lot of video games gives you good visual skills that probably don't translate into a lot of other real-world stuff simply because the abilities that are developed are so narrow.

Compare to a football quarterback (you see, Marge, there are jocks, and nerds. Being a jock...oh, sorry, I digress). As a QB, you have to track several receivers, the pass rushers, keep an eye on the game clock, and keep your wits under the very real-world threat of being flattened by some steroid-raging linebacker. Plus all the physical skills, and the playbook knowledge (no, it ain't the same as programming C++, but you don't have 300-lb Bubba bearing down on you while you are coding either). There's a much wider range of skill development there, that encompasses both the physical and mental. Not to say that there are not other ways to develop those things, but let's just say that if you gain any skills out of playing Quake 12 hours a day, be thankful.

...that is great news... (2, Funny)

Berserker76 (555385) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063358)

...but at what cost. You have the loss of social skills, not to mention they lower sexual skills. Does not seem like a fair trade off to me.

Tetris... In related news... (1)

RyatNrrd (662756) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063382)

"A new study not published in Nature Magazine suggests that Tetris improves block-rotating skills. Among other things, young adults who played as ten hours of the block-rotating game Tetris regularly could rotate blocks more efficiently - 30% more than non-players (according to international block-rotation standards). Apparently, the game type is important, as ten hours of action games such as Grand Theft Auto and Medal of Honor failed to improve test scores."

it also improves surgical skills (3, Funny)

frankmu (68782) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063383)

i tell my wife that's the reason for me buying games. helps keep my laparoscopic surgury skills honed.

Old old OLD news, I'm afraid. (2, Informative)

privacyt (632473) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063424)

Friends, ever heard of hand-eye coordination? It's just another way of saying "visual skills." Hand-eye coordination was first hyped in the 80s as a benefit of videogaming. Here [usatoday.com] is a USA Today article that makes mention of that "benefit." (BTW, I'm putting the word in quotation marks because I'm wondering how important it is to have good visual skills/hand-eye coordination. Does that benefit truly outweigh all the damn time we hard-core gamers waste?)

Surprising? (5, Funny)

recordalator (263910) | more than 11 years ago | (#6063431)

So, um, those who spend more time training their perceptual systems to track and identify objects are better at tracking and identifying objects? Next thing you know, they'll start telling us that spending more time reading makes people better at reading...
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