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Neuros Review

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the looking-good dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "MP3newswire.net has just posted a lengthy review of the Neuros digital music portable. Just recently the company announced native Linux support for synchronizing the Neuros and we all know that Ogg Vorbis support is promised in the near future, so the unit is drawing a lot of interest. For the most part they liked the player, though they found the unit to be relatively big and heavy for a new generation portable. They also found the file transfer interface to be both impressive and glitchy."

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proud to serve my country beer (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6068948)

Our country has witnessed its fair share of trials and tribulations lately. We have endured wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. We have lived under the near-constant threat of terrorist attack at home. Many young Americans have heard the call to serve and, stirred by love of country and a deep sense of patriotic duty, they have responded. Some have served in the Army, others in the Marines. As for myself, I have served Coors Light. I am proud to serve my country beer. Our nation nobly faces any challenge with chins out and backs straight. We don't back down, no matter how daunting the task before us. For this reason alone, I serve pitcher after pitcher of beer at P.J.'s Pub, cooling the throats and fevered minds of a nation bearing the heavy burden of adversity. My family has a long tradition of service to this country. At the height of the Great Depression, my great-grandfather served bathtub gin in a Chicago speakeasy. During WWII, my grandfather served beer at a Coney Island snack bar. During Vietnam, my father pretended he was gay so he could stay in the States and serve beer to a nation torn in two by an unpopular war. And now it's my turn. When history called, I did not turn a deaf ear. I enlisted at my local tavern and began the task of serving beer to my fellow Americans. It's not easy. Sometimes, your back aches from hauling kegs up from the basement cooler. Other times, you have to deal with people who are drunk, surly, or violent. Then there are the times when you're ready to throw in the bar rag because of that jackass at the corner table who comes in every night and never tips you. It's times like these that I look at the red, white, and blue of the Pabst Blue Ribbon can, and a feeling of patriotism wells up in my breast. I know that duty calls, and I must soldier on. We live in troubled times. People are confused and anxious.and understandably so. These are the days that, for better or worse, will define our generation. Will we be remembered as cowards who tucked our tails between our legs and ran home sober? Or will we enter the pantheon of heroes, making our way to the local tavern so we can show our enemies that we will not be denied in our thirst for victory and beer? For me, the answer is obvious. I will extend my hands to one and all, each fist grasping a tall, frosty mug of ice-cold beer. If you want a beer, stand up and be heard over the din of loud conversations and noisy jukeboxes. I, for one, will step to the front of the line and proudly serve all those who ask, provided they have ID. Rich or poor, black or white, hearty lager drinkers or lite-beer tipplers, they are all Americans, and they all want beer. Some may shy away from the call to serve, but this proud citizen will never dodge the Miller Genuine Draft.

Impressive and Glitchy? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6068950)

Much like Slashdot!

Re:Impressive and Glitchy? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6068990)

No, slashdot is impotent and goatse

First Post !!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6068952)

Yipee!!!

promises promises. (4, Insightful)

Ishin (671694) | more than 11 years ago | (#6068955)

Ogg support? I wouldn't buy one UNTIL they actually have the support up and running.

Re:promises promises. (1)

jmv (93421) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069561)

Well, Vorbis support is already under way. It'll be announced when Monty is done porting Vorbis to the device.

Re:promises promises. (2)

Ishin (671694) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069668)

While it would be a breath of fresh air to have a player that supports the best truely open sound compression standard, I've always wanted to see the money, so to speak. It's not so much that I don't believe the company won't have vorbis support in some form, but the last thing I want to see is support for it a la the support of mpeg4 in stand alone dvd player machines (simple profile only, no divx3.11 [supposedly remedied now on some players]).

However, mainstream standalone player support helps add some legitimacy to vorbis, and it'd be great to see.

Ogg Vorbis Support (1, Interesting)

emptybody (12341) | more than 11 years ago | (#6068959)

If they can comeout with a timeline for ogg support and the price is competitive I will buy one.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6068961)

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Neuros... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6068971)

Neuros sucks. This [tinyurl.com] is much better.

Re:Neuros... (0, Redundant)

numbski (515011) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069004)

Heh. Nice linkeage. Why be deceptive though? You could just come right out and let people know what it is. Might get more clicks that way too. ;)

While we're stacking links, Get Ogg on the iPod! [apple.com]

WARNING!!! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069018)

That link sends a nasty e-mail via feedback form to SCO. It has NOTHING to do with portable audio players.

Re:WARNING!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069163)

How is parent flamebait? moronic moderators, it's warning you about the link.

Brett Glass

MORONIC moderators, it's flamebait (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069234)

because it PISSED ME OFF.

Submit Feedback! Get ogg support on iPods too! (5, Informative)

numbski (515011) | more than 11 years ago | (#6068974)

Let apple know you want this on your iPod too! [apple.com]

This is slightly off-topic, but slashdot apple while we're at it requesting ogg-vorbis support! Do so nicely, but be firm. Let them know you have music that can't be played without hacking iTunes, and you can't play it back at all on your iPod.

Let them know your future business depends on it!

Re:Submit Feedback! Get ogg support on iPods too! (4, Insightful)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069045)

Let them know your future business depends on it!

Not to try and flame you, but isn't that a bit of an empty threat at the moment, considering ogg-vorbis mindshare in the general public?

It'd be a nice "geek" feature, i'm sure, but I don't think it's really at the level where Apple will take lost business because of it very seriously.

Re:Submit Feedback! Get ogg support on iPods too! (4, Insightful)

elmegil (12001) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069089)

apple is already a niche player, what makes you think expanding to other niches isn't important to them?

Re:Submit Feedback! Get ogg support on iPods too! (3, Insightful)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069187)

Good point, I think Ogg-Vorbis support would be a niche-niche, if there is such a thing, though.

Consider...It would be an area in which the consumer:

A) Knows that portable music players besides CD players and Walkmans exist in the first place, and wants one.

B) Is interested and knowledgeable enough to go after an (expensive) Apple product in the first place.

C) Knows that Ogg-Vorbis even exists in the first place.

D) Cares enough about format differences to have a need to play Ogg-Vorbis files.

Again, that just doesn't seem like a big enough market for Apple to care. Please feel free to correct me with actual statistics if you have them, though.

Re:Submit Feedback! Get ogg support on iPods too! (4, Insightful)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069245)

How about the fact that two years ago, there was no Apple iPod, and now roughly 1 in 4 portable music players is an iPod?

Or the fact that until two months ago WMA was second to MP3, in marketshare, but now (with something like 3 million tracks sold) AAC is #2, despite only 3% of the potential market?

So far, far, more unlikely things have happened than Apple support Ogg; I mean, Apple supported MP3, right?

Re:Submit Feedback! Get ogg support on iPods too! (1)

ichimunki (194887) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069190)

The fact that Ogg Vorbis has been out there since before iPod and they still don't support it?

Unix user marketshare IS important. (4, Insightful)

numbski (515011) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069105)

Otherwise I wouldn't see full-page magazine ads touting 'the power unix', and giving details on power-user experiences converting from (insert your unix flavor here) to OSX.

Don't underestimate yourself before you make an effort at asserting what you want. You just never know...

Re:Submit Feedback! Get ogg support on iPods too! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069118)

Hmm. Let's see. If we want to support Ogg, we'll have to pay six guys for a year to add it to the iPod, QuickTime and iTunes. At which point, every nerd in the world will rush out and buy our stuff, right? Uh... wrong. Because they'll demand that it work with this "Leenux" thing they keep nagging us about. So then we'll port iTunes to "Leenux" and then they'll buy our stuff, right? Uh... wrong. Because they'll complain that our software isn't "free," even though we give it away on the web site. Yeah, I know, makes no sense.

But even if we bend over backwards, fuck ourselves completely, and give these guys everything they want, how many iPods will we sell?

Eleven.

That's right, eleven.

Fuck it. Let's stick to what we do best.

--Steve

Re:Submit Feedback! Get ogg support on iPods too! (1)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069348)

.. they'll complain that our software isn't "free,"...

Absolutely true. Everybody knows that Windows users ALWAYS pay for software. It's a well known fact that there hasn't been a pirated copy of Windows, Office, or any other Windows Warez since 1992 at the latest, around the time Linux came about. Coincidence? I don't think so. In fact, all those Linux Warez sites are proof positive that those thieving Linux users will never pay for software. The same goes for P2P software. Look at all those Kazaa for Linux users out there. I mean if a version of Kazaa for Windows existed not a single Windows user would use it because they ALWAY pay for everything be it software or music. In fact, there will never be a Windows version of Kazaa for this very reason.

Re:Submit Feedback! Get ogg support on iPods too! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069365)

did you ever post on adequacy.org?

Re:Submit Feedback! Get ogg support on iPods too! (1)

numbski (515011) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069459)

Here's another petition on Apple's own boards [apple.com] .

Giving it a bump certainly couldn't hurt. The people are there...and where there's people, there's money to be made.

ogg Support (-1, Redundant)

ad0gg (594412) | more than 11 years ago | (#6068978)

But does it support Ogg!! Oh wait nevermind.

Ogg Vorbis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6068985)

I heard from a good source that Ogg Vorbis was also going to also be developed into a video codec with better quality than divX (MPEG4) and even smaller filesizes. woohoo!

These harddrive mp3 players cost too much (-1, Troll)

zymano (581466) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069009)

ipod is way overpriced. just for the rich.

how much does a harddrive cost 50$$ ??

Re:These harddrive mp3 players cost too much (4, Funny)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069049)

I know what you mean! Yesterday, I went to OfficeMax. I picked out a hard drive (40 gig, $40). I asked the bored teenager if it could play mp3s. He thought it could. I took it home, and opened the box, but I couldn't figure out how to make it play mp3s. It didn't even have a nice case, and doesn't fit in my pocket.

Maybe i'll just buy an mp3 player.

Re:These harddrive mp3 players cost too much (2, Informative)

MuckSavage (658302) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069086)

2.5 inch hard drives, the same drives used in notebooks can cost from 100 to 300 bucks. Here's a link. [macmall.com] And the ipod is not for the rich. I have one, and I sure as hell am not rich.

Re:These harddrive mp3 players cost too much (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069255)

The iPod actually has a 1.8" drive in it. I don't know if this is still true, but when the original 5 GB iPod came out, the retail version of the hard drive they were using, just by itself, cost $399. Same price as the iPod. So basically when you bought an iPod, you bought the hard drive and got all the guts for free.

The iPod is priced right where it oughta be. Sure, we'd all like 'em to be cheaper, but if ifs and buts were candy and nuts... how does that saying go?

Re:These harddrive mp3 players cost too much (1)

Arslan ibn Da'ud (636514) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069675)

2.5 inch hard drives, the same drives used in notebooks can cost from 100 to 300 bucks. Here's a link. And the ipod is not for the rich. I have one, and I sure as hell am not rich.

I agree. I haven't been rich since I bought the iPod and Apple opened their iTunes store!

Re:These harddrive mp3 players cost too much (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069094)

maybe you could get a job then you could afford one

Re:These harddrive mp3 players cost too much (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069100)

Eh??? $50 for a hard drive that small - surely you jest.

These numbers are about a year old, so scale up the size of the drive slightly to get the current price. But a 5GB MK5002MPL hard disk drive is priced at US$399

Apple surely gets the drives in volume discount, but the price of an ipod is definitely not unreasonable.

But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069016)

does it run linux?

Re:But... (3, Funny)

chia_monkey (593501) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069276)

I sure hope not. Then you'll have both SCO and RIAA coming after your ass. Run away!!!!

SCO might want to know if (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069017)

I hope it doesn't contain any unlicensed Unix code like linux has.

Impressive and Glitchy (4, Funny)

goldspider (445116) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069031)

"They also found the file transfer interface to be both impressive and glitchy."

I always based my buying habits on the premise that the two were mutually exclusive, but I guess I'm just a picky customer.

Re:Impressive and Glitchy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069075)

How are they mutally exclusive? If it transfers files quickly, that's impressive... if it refuses to transfer ever 7th file, that's glitchy.

Re:Impressive and Glitchy (2, Funny)

EMH_Mark3 (305983) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069221)

Or if it refuses to transfert files at all, it's impressively glitchy :p

Re:Impressive and Glitchy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069282)

If it doesn't transfer files reliably, then it's not impressive.

Re:Impressive and Glitchy (2)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069723)

Nah, something can be quite impressive when it goes wrong. Why do you think people watch Nascar or monster trucks? To watch them crash!

For example, if the program copied the files, but managed to mix them up so that various chunks of music would play within different files, and moved the ID3 data around randomly, that would be pretty impressive. Not impressively correct, but impressive that they decided to ship it like that...

So yeah, something can easily be impressively glitchy - it leaves an impression, doesn't it? (Like, "Why did I buy this?" or "Who do I hate that I can give this to as a birthday present?")

Of course, I didn't bother to read the f'ing article, so I'm just extrapolating ways to be impressively glitchy. But I think it's quite possible. Just like the program I wrote that accidently randomly changed the screen mode. (It was supposed to randomly color text on the screen. I used the wrong AH value.) It was glitchy, but the end results were quite impressively wrong. (Plus, it's the first program I ever wrote that had the ability to destroy hardware. That's impressive.)

Oh, and then there was the program I wrote that I could get to reliably blue-screen my Windows XP machine. The program ran on Linux. On another computer. (Well, the program was smbmounted from the Windows machine, but considering it did no file access, BSODing the machine was quite an impressive glitch.)

Linux Support (3, Informative)

toaster13 (36774) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069055)

Umm why on earth does a linux based mp3 player not have a way to sync or simply download music from linux itself? Or did I miss that while crawling all over their site?

Re:Linux Support (1)

Enry (630) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069078)

Because the Neuros doen't run Linux.

Re:Linux Support (1)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069200)

I think the Linux software is being written by the Ogg guys, it's not ready yet though.

Linux Support? (0)

gehrehmee (16338) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069609)

Here. [slashdot.org]

Re:Linux Support? (2, Informative)

gehrehmee (16338) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069630)

Grr.

Here. [xiph.org]

Sorry.

Countdown to iPod user bitching starts now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069060)

I wonder how many posts it will take before an Apple/iPod user says the Neuros sucks?

Re:Countdown to iPod user bitching starts now. (1)

MuckSavage (658302) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069107)

The Neuros sucks! :) No, it looks like a nice device. I don't have any use for USB 2.0, but that's just me, and my firewire-centric macs. I like the ogg support, and would love apple to give us that in the iPod. Not a bad looking player, and it has some nice features.

Re:Countdown to iPod user bitching starts now. (1)

macthulhu (603399) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069333)

I have owned an iPod for 6 days now. I am not rich, but I do know how to save money to buy quality products. I'll spare everyone the feature by feature comparison and just say this: I LOVE my iPod... It does everything as advertised, it holds a shitload of music, it's easy to manage (via iTunes), and I'm easily getting a solid 8 hour day out of it... Including travel time with an FM transmitter to replace the CD player in my car. 6-Disk changer? HA. My iPod is only about half-full and it shows something like 10 straight days worth of music! So, I can't say that the Neuros sucks, but I can vouch for how fucking sweet the iPod is.... Plus, the chicks dig it.

Re:Countdown to iPod user bitching starts now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069446)

Zing! That didn't take long.

or maybe both... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069066)

Impressively glitchy? :)

Just make it work (4, Insightful)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069072)

I am willing to make some sacrifices to support a linux-friendly platform. I am willing to spend a bit more. I am willing to deal with some product design issues (size, etc).

Just make it work. I want a 100% certainty that I will be able to migrate music from my linux box to the player. No message board lurking, no sifting through google groups.

If this product cannot reliably transfer music without copious under the hood tweaking, I am not interested.

USB 2.0 would be a nice addition too but even on that I will make accomodation.

Re:Just make it work (4, Funny)

Enry (630) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069129)

If this product cannot reliably transfer music without copious under the hood tweaking, I am not interested.

Not to be a troll (this is a serious question), but how did you ever get started in Linux with *that* attitude?

Re:Just make it work (1)

Oliver Wendell Jones (158103) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069653)

Ya know, there are people who can take a Linux distro out of the box, install it and be good to go. I actually know people like that.

Re:Just make it work (1)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069152)

If this product cannot reliably transfer music without copious under the hood tweaking, I am not interested.

Well, let's wait and see. I think it's being coded up by Monty of Vorbis fame, so it should be a quality piece of code.

USB 2.0 would be a nice addition too but even on that I will make accomodation.

The review said it supported USB 2?

Re:Just make it work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069157)

Looks like the linux synch software (Positron) just hit beta 2...

http://www.xiph.org/archives/neurosetta/200305/s ub ject.html

Check on the forums at : ttp://www.neurosaudio.com

if you want a better idea of an ogg release date.

So far, I'm a happy user of mine (using it as I type.) But I haven't tried syncrhonization under linux.

Re:Just make it work (2, Informative)

tuffy (10202) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069204)

If this product cannot reliably transfer music without copious under the hood tweaking, I am not interested.

The Positron synch software is requiring less and less tweaking over time. Having music be automatically detected would be nice, but Ogg's consistent handling of metadata, mp3s support only a variety of hackish id3 tags which are probably best handled outside the device.

USB 2.0 would be a nice addition too but even on that I will make accomodation.
USB2.0 will be a free upgrade for those who buy their units before July (I think). That's also coming Real Soon.

Re:Just make it work (1, Insightful)

carger314 (617058) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069290)

"USB 2.0 would be a nice addition too but even on that I will make accomodation."

RTFA, buddy.

"The Neuros uses USB 2.0 to connect the unit to a PC and is powered by a rechargeable lithium ion battery that promises 10 hours of continuos playback. The Neuros also offers 5 programmable presets for the radio."

RTFProductSpec (3, Informative)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069896)

Sorry, the article does not jive with the spec.

RTF Produce Spec [neurosaudio.com]

Clearly states USB 1.1.

USB 2.0 support is coming, but not here now.

Re:Just make it work (3, Interesting)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069316)

So... why not get an iPod?

You're willing to spend a bit more, and you don't have to deal with any product design issues...

And it just works. FAT32 iPod.

DIY [duke.edu]
GTKPod [sourceforge.net]

Re:Just make it work (1)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069611)

do you have any idea how reliable these are? Any info welcome.

Re:Just make it work (1)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069755)

I'm sorry, I haven't played with those tools specifically, you really should talk to the developer and users of those tools.

But on reading those sites, it certainly seems more stable than the reviewed Neuros... though possibly the current shipping versions are better.

On the other hand, the iPod has 2 years plus and 3 hardware revisions to iron out hardware issues...

Another recent review (3, Interesting)

blamanj (253811) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069087)

...is from USA today [yahoo.com] . Bottom line, Neuros doesn't match up to the iPod, at least not yet.

Re:Another recent review (1)

MuckSavage (658302) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069128)

Does it really need to match up to the iPod? Isn't this guy aimed at a different crowd?

Re:Another recent review (1)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069213)

Does it really need to match up to the iPod? Isn't this guy aimed at a different crowd?
Different how?

Re:Another recent review (1)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069619)

People who've never ever seen an iPod?

People who've never held an iPod?

People who've never used an iPod?

People who don't know that an iPod works on Macs, Windows PCs, Linux, and just about any platform that has firewire, Java, or Perl?

I mean, if only 1 in every 4 MP3 players is an iPod, than that means, for those people who don't yet own an iPod, 3 out of every 4 potential buyer is a target for this device, right?

Expensive (3, Interesting)

daserver (524964) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069104)

It's pretty expensive on amazon. 128mb for 240$ and 20gb for $380. You can get an Apple Ipod 10gb for 280$

Penny Arcade to the rescue (4, Funny)

gosand (234100) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069119)

I found today's PA comic [penny-arcade.com] kind of funny and rather fitting. I love my MP3 player, but it is a Rio500 w/128 MB of storage. I haven't seen the need to plunk down the cash for one of these big dogs yet.

Re:Penny Arcade to the rescue (2, Insightful)

cens0r (655208) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069725)

I have a Nomad IIc with 192mb of memory. It easily holds 3 or 4 full albums. That's more than enough for my commute, I just have then swap out songs when I get home for the next day. with the extra memory card I got it for less than $100. I'd call that a steal.

Getting there (2, Insightful)

dspyder (563303) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069126)

Honestly, I'm impressed that companies are starting to get the idea that they can offer something for everyone. I think you'll start to see more devices with multiple storage options, multiple formats, etc. The next step I'd like to see (since most companies won't open source their code) is built-in "modules" so additional features (and/or hardware) can be added by third party companies. --Darren p.s. I still like my Archos Multimedia, especially for the price.

OOS MP3 Player (5, Informative)

jdh-22 (636684) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069133)

The best part about the Neuros [neurosaudio.com] is that it based on an open architecture. Basiclly gives you the option of making it into whatever you want.

My good friend has one, and he loves it. It is a really nice portable mp3 player. He was able to develop a program so that it automaticly sends his voice mail (in mp3 format) to his Neuros. The only thing that I didn't like about it is that it is bigger than most mp3 players. Especially when you add on the 20 gig backpack to it. Awsome features! Fm transmitter, ogg mp3 wma support, and good battery life.

Re:OOS MP3 Player (1)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069463)

Umm... if your friend can get his voicemail into MP3 format, then an Apple iPod has been able to play it for nearly two years...

Likely, if you can get it into text, mp3, or aac, the Apple iPod will be able to play, display, or present the data to you. For example, using text to speech [macworld.com] the iPod can grab newsfeed headlines. Using QuickSpeech [webnation.com] you can similarly turn any text into an MP3 the iPod can play... unread emails from prospective employees? Messages from your dad? Intrusion alerts from your web server mailed to your computer?

Lots of fun stuff :)

The point being that the Neuros isn't the only toy on the block that can do this stuff.

Oh, and the FM transmitter stuff? Griffin iTrip [griffintechnology.com] , since you're already willing to live with a backpack and 9 oz of weight. Still lighter, still more intuitive, and still more portable :D

How's it compare to the Archos (4, Interesting)

BFaucet (635036) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069145)

What advantages does this have over the Archos player? It's cheaper, has the same amount of drive space, and plays video.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/mp3/5b44/deta il /

Same price as 15gb iPod (4, Informative)

Arc04 (601196) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069146)

Just for the lazy people who can't be bothered to check, on Amazon.com right now, the 20gb Neuros is the same price as the 15gb iPod - $380.

This means 5gb more for your money with the Neuros - you decide.

Re:Same price as 15gb iPod (4, Insightful)

Drakonian (518722) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069189)

I think there are features other than capacity that equate to more value for your money. Size is definitely one.

Re:Same price as 15gb iPod (1)

Enry (630) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069330)

FM broadcasting is another.

Upgradability is a third.

Re:Same price as 15gb iPod (1)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069343)

Reliability is another.

Usability is a fifth.

Re:Same price as 15gb iPod (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069384)

Linux support and open standards are yet more.

Re:Same price as 15gb iPod (1)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069584)

Ah [sourceforge.net] , quite right [duke.edu] , Linux [sourceforge.net] support [gnu.org] is important [slashdot.org] .

Of course, I do understand that Neuros *officially* supports Linux, in beta, while Apple hasn't; it's all be community stuff for the iPod.

Oh, and aac is a standard [aac-audio.com] , though arguably not open, while ogg [vorbis.com] is open, but not a standard. Semantics are a bitch, aren't they?

Still offering a discount... (4, Interesting)

Emmettfish (573105) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069149)

Hey, folks. If you like what you see in the Neuros, drop me a line at emmett (at) neurosaudio.com, I'll give you a discount that you can use on the website should you want to buy one.

Also, drop me your mailing address, too; I might be able to send you extra goodies. Don't worry, I'll make sure your E-mail address and mailing address are kept private. Thanks!

Emmett Plant
Community Outreach
Neuros Audio [neurosaudio.com]

Re:Still offering a discount... (1)

Midajo (654520) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069206)

And you are the "anonymous reader", I presume?

Re:Still offering a discount... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069295)

indeed, something smells fishy...

Re:Still offering a discount... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069465)

It does not smell fishy he might have one of those amazon promotional codes to give you a few $$ off.

Re:Still offering a discount... (1)

DeltaSigma (583342) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069641)

The reviewers wouldn't have let through an unofficial "discounts on cool open-architecture hardware for all /.ers" article. You really can't blame him if he is the anonymous reader.

As much as this guy makes me want to trust him, I promised myself, my ogg vorbis collection, and xiph that I would buy the first player to support ogg vorbis. While it seems Neuros will be the first, there's still a small chance that iRiver could come out of nowhere with it. Those iRiver people are pretty smart too, afterall.

lot of interest? (3, Insightful)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069156)

we all know that Ogg Vorbis support is promised in the near future, so the unit is drawing a lot of interest

"drawing a lot of interest"? From who? Most of the world hasn't even heard of Ogg Vorbis, people. Most who have heard of Ogg Vorbis realize it may sound better at lower bitrates, but nobody wants to re-encode all their CDs and stuff. So let's can the editorializing, okay?

Oh, and to all the people who are rabidly trying to convince Apple via silly little petitions(I bet half a week's iPod sales are bigger than the # of people who have signed any such petition)- give it up. They've got AAC, they could give a crap about Ogg, and they've said as much. Stop trying to force your stuff on the world- if there's a genuine market for Ogg, companies will recognize the need to support it.

Re:lot of interest? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069275)

"if there's a genuine market for Ogg, companies will recognize the need to support it."

And how will companies recognize the need? People tell them! Customers ask for it! By your philosophy we should all be quiet and by some sort of magic, "companies will recognize the need" that no one has told them about. Get real.

Re:lot of interest? (3, Insightful)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069302)

"drawing a lot of interest"? From who?

Me? I have a brand new 80gig disk and an urge to fill it. Unlike most, I didn't rip all my CDs ages ago, because I didn't have the room. Now I do. So I'm going to have lots of Oggs soon, because that is the default under Linux.

Most of the world hasn't even heard of Ogg Vorbis, people.

Most of the world don't buy MP3 players, natch. Considering the huge amount of support DI are getting from Xiph, it becomes a simple numbers game. How hard is it to support Linux and Ogg? How much will we get in return for it?

There are quite a lot of Linux users around now, big enough that it can make a difference for a small company.

Re:lot of interest? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069404)

Oh just stop it. Apple (and by extension, its supporters) are not interested in doing anything that might make Linux more successful. Apple taks the talk of "thinking different", but when it comes to their core market, they will do whatever it takes to maintain their advantages over Linux. You think that the city of Munich announcing it picked Linux over Windows for 14,000 desktop systems scares Microsoft, well it scares Apple just as much, if not more. This fear is reflected in the rabidness of the "shut up Linux users" response you get everytime the subject of Apple support for Linux comes up.

Re:lot of interest? (2, Insightful)

that_guy (33618) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069311)

"if there's a genuine market for Ogg, companies will recognize the need to support it."

That is like saying the superior technology will win, when the truth is that the best marketed tech usually wins out. The only way to get Ogg on more devices is for consumers to show their interest. (By signing petitions, emailing, or otherwise pestering the company)

Re:lot of interest? (2, Interesting)

Lifewolf (41986) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069591)

...but nobody wants to re-encode all their CDs and stuff.

Exactly!

Some time ago I ripped my CDs to Ogg on an external, 40GB USB drive that I've been using at home and at work. Now I'd like to replace that USB drive with a portable player so I can also listen to my files in my car and when I'm mowing the lawn.

I'm not interested in re-ripping my 650+ CDs into a format I don't like as much, so I'm waiting for a decent, Ogg-supporting device.

Can't pry my 15GB IPOD from my hands! (1)

MrJerryNormandinSir (197432) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069176)

Well I've got an IPOD. The firewire transfer rocks!
And it works with my MacOSX box and my Linux Box
without a problem.

I'm working on some management tools for the IPOD on Linux now.

I'll buy one when... (2, Interesting)

Demanche (587815) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069195)

They let you replace the damn batterys ;)

Until then I have my trusty AM/FM radio.

MyFi (2, Interesting)

Midajo (654520) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069243)

MyFi is Neuros' name for the novel FM broadcast feature on the player. Using this feature, one can set the unit to transmit music files remotely through an empty FM frequency on any radio. The advantages are self-evident for anyone who has ever user a cassette adapter to connect their CD player to a car radio, and it is one of the most innovative and convenient features of the Neuros.

Wow. And wow. This is an amazingly cool idea, and not confined to the car.

Re:MyFi (2, Informative)

Demanche (587815) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069285)

The ipod has a 3rd party add-on that does something similar - but having it built in would be a plus.

Check out an article about it here [macworld.com]

The again - I'm still ranting about the battery issue ;)

Re:MyFi (1)

Pop n' Fresh (411094) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069846)

Um, you can buy FM transmitters for about $30, they work with any portable stereo (or anything that has a headphone jack, really). All Neuros did was build it into their player. It's cool, but certainly no reason to buy a Neuros.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/audio/5dab/
https://www.myirock.com/players/300W%20-%20FM%20 Tr ansmitter.htm

claimed "iPod killer" features, no proof (2, Interesting)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069299)

I noticed that at least twice they claim the thing has features to beat the iPod:

"...the Neuros offers features not only unavailable in the iPod..."

"The Neuros has features that could make it an iPod killer..."

It turns out that the only "killer" feature I could come across was "HiSi"(records 30 seconds of radio, then tries to fingerprint it and match the fingerprint to a central database), and the reviewers found it thought random noise was "Benditos Malditos". It thought a rap song was Van Halen. It only managed to recognize two popular songs- and what's the point? Everyone knows the titles of popular songs on the radio. That's a "killer feature"? Nevermind that you're handing them all sorts of listening habit data.

Oh, what's that you say? "It has a radio, that's a killer feature!" Um, if you've got 30GB of MP3s, and you can get the very latest songs off iTunes music service for a buck apiece, why would you want to listen to the radio? Maybe for news or something while riding the commuter train, but you can get practically microscopic FM receivers and just plug the headphones into that if you wanna listen to the radio. It's not about what you think is "cool", it's about what the consumer wants- and my guess is that Apple found most people didn't care about an FM receiver. Can't argue with them, the iPod's STILL the fastest selling player.

What's that you say? "Ogg Vorbis is a killer feature!" Most of the world doesn't even KNOW what Ogg-Vorbis is. The rest don't want to bother reencoding all their CDs, and you can't buy Ogg Vorbis songs ANYWAY. Ogg Vorbis, for now, is moot...and with AAC, do you seriously think Ogg Vorbis will ever be anything more than a plaything of the Super Nerds?

Sorry, this thing is a non-contender for the iPod. It's enormous, heavy, has a completely unoriginal design, and various issues in implementation, like the song title display problem they mention. The iPod is elegant, small, lightweight, and has a simple, good UI(not to mention, read-only address book/calendar stuff). Ogg Vorbis and a radio aren't going to make up for that.

Re:claimed "iPod killer" features, no proof (2, Insightful)

jd142 (129673) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069556)

How about MyFi as a killer feature? Broadcast your music to an available fm station. No more car radio adapters. Easily share your mixes with your friends. Sit in class and have a few friends listening on the same station that you're broadcasting on.

As far as the other features go, all the reviewer's experiments showed was that the hisi has problems when not used properly. The random noise test was a joke and they said that they purposely used a bad version of the rap song as a test of how well hisi did with poor version of the song.

Radio: Why would anyone want to pay a buck a piece for a song when the radio broadcasts them for free?

Re:claimed "iPod killer" features, no proof (2, Interesting)

Monkeyman334 (205694) | more than 11 years ago | (#6069610)

The feature that would make me choose a Nueros over other players is the ability to transmit FM radio. My car has no options, and only has an AM/FM radio. It also has this stupid rounded cover so I'd have to do some cutting to get a standard size cd player in there, and pay for installation. I don't even have a tape player, so I can't use a minijack to tape converter with an mp3 player. With the nueros I can just have it next to my radio, have it transmit, and I'm happy.

PS, I'm big on Xiph, don't trust me

love the 20GB dock.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6069363)

..the record support, FM transmit, etc. BUT will not buy it.

It only has 128MB flash builtin, if they had a CF slot instead then I'd buy one tomorrow. CF allows for more flexibility and better overall experience.

I've been debating between this and the NEXII and I can't decide!

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