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DeCSS Arguments in CA Supreme Court Case

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the wheels-of-justice dept.

The Courts 531

scubacuda writes "According to News.com, California Attorney General Bill Lockyer called DVD-cracking software DeCSS a tool for "breaking, entering and stealing" during a hearing before the California Supreme Court on Thursday. "The program DeCSS is a burglary tool," Lockyer told the judges, adding that the movie studios lose millions of dollars because of piracy over the Internet. (CopyLeft offers this "burglary tool" on a t-shirt)" If you've forgotten what this case is about, see EFF's page about it.

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I just made the worst mistake of my life (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076733)

There's no real easy way to talk about this so I'll just let what comes to my mind blurt out... forgive me if I sound distressed but I feel like I'm going to puke.

A few nights ago I heard my parents fighting in their room. This isn't unusual for the weekend (especially Sunday before memorial day) because they usually have a bit to drink and tempers tend to flare. This time it was particularly bad though. I heard some loud thumps, I was worried about my mom... I didn't know if my dad was hitting her or not. Apparently it was just door slamming and throwing stuff around, no physical abuse. My mom told me they were fighting about how my dad never spends any time with her, she said he spends way too much time at work (he is a software engineer for a major company) and that she didn't know if he loved her anymore. I helped my mom through it, let her vent, she doesn't have many friends so I'm glad to be hers. She's been my best friend all my life. We went out to eat and stuff the following day after the fight, and she told me she was thinking about a divorce.

This kind of scared me because I've had both parents since birth and it would be pretty shitty to lose them now. I told her that the computer industry isn't exactly the best thing to be in right now, and that the company probably just expected a lot out of him right now and that it would pass. She agreed that she might be over reacting and we left it at that.

Fast forward to Wedsnday night, my parents are fighting yet again, this time sober and when dad got home from work. I don't know what sparked it exactly but it was worse than the last one. I was in my room playing Windwaker when it happened. After about an hour of listening to it, I came out of my room to catch the last bit of it from the top of the stairs, my dad said that there was no reason for him to be here if she thought he wasn't in love with her still and he slammed the door and left. My mom starts crying and she tells me everything that's happened, I sit with her and try to talk her through it. It's not looking good at this point. She decides that the best way to feel better is to get wasted. So she goes in the kitchen and gets some scotch and starts knocking them down. I hated to see her do this, and the bad part is that I gave in when she asked me to drink with her so she wouldn't feel like an alcoholic.

After about two hours of talking and drinking we were pretty messed up, and so begins the real problem. We were sitting on the sofa and she jokingly started to kiss me. I didn't know what the hell to think, maybe she was just too drunk. Then she got serious and tried to stick her tongue in my mouth, and I was a fucking idiot and kissed her back. After a few seconds of kissing she stuck her hand down my pants and started massaging my penis, she did this for a while during this horrible, disgusting makeout session and soon my pants were around my ankles. She started to give me head and something in me, thankfully, finally, snapped. I got up really fast and kneed her in the chin knocking her over, luckily my penis had exited her mouth by then or the situation would have been worse. I think I knocked her out or she had had it from the liquor because she didn't get up for a few hours, I made sure she slept on her side though.

My dad came back at about 3am and I just told him that she got drunk and we talked about it, and she felt better now. Today was really fucking awkward to say the least. My mom is trying to pretend like nothing happened and I have a hard time looking her and my father in the eye. I'm really stumped as to what I should do. I mean how the fuck do you go to a shrink with something like this, this is fucking weird and I'm sure somehow it would get out with the nature of the problem. Ugh, any advice would be much appreciated.

frist pist? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076743)

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Right... (5, Funny)

g0at (135364) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076747)

DeCSS is a burglary tool just like how I'm actually growing dildos in my vegetable garden.

Re:Right... (1)

DShard (159067) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076783)

Just when I thought I owned the hunk of foil and plastic siting inside my player, I'm wrong and it's use makes me a thief. At least their legal mouthpiece keeps the consitent theme of criminalizing their customers.

Field of Dreams (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076792)

If you grow them, they will cum.

Re:Right... (2, Interesting)

rgoer (521471) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076858)

So that's where I dropped my dildo seeds... In any case, is there really such a thing as a "burglary tool?" Is there any kind of precedent for an object being considered, by the courts, to be a "burglary tool?" Is the sale of things like a slim jim for a car restricted? Do you have to show either your locksmiths' license or your burgalry permit to purchase one? Are they even categorized differently than normal "hardware?" Where does the MPAA come up with this crap?

fp! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076752)

fp!

Re:fp! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076757)

YOU FAIL IT!

Hrmm (5, Insightful)

acehole (174372) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076762)

Well... shall we ban any tools that can be used for breaking and entering then?

* screw drivers
* crowbars
* keys
* bits of metal
* credit cards

please, cuff me and send me to the bighouse, i've got a tool shed!

Re:Hrmm (4, Insightful)

MrNemesis (587188) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076837)

The problem is that all those tools have many legitimate uses.

Despoite being wrong IMO (and most of yours too I imagine), DeCSS is still seen by the masses as being solely for the purposes of theft.

Re:Hrmm (5, Insightful)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076878)

What it's seen as by the masses is irrelevant. DeCSS or something similar is required if you want to view a DVD that you bought and all you have is a Linux box. This is a legitimate use, just as hammers and shovels and pry bars also have legit uses.

Re:Hrmm (5, Insightful)

ichimunki (194887) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077015)

Actually I don't think the masses would even know what you were talking about if you started talking about DeCSS. Hell, half of the masses don't even have the internet at home. A great number of them don't have a computer either. And while DVDs are taking off, I doubt very many folks are going to be able to discuss this past "well, if you want to watch DVDs, why don't you just buy a DVD player, they're like $100 at Target?" Besides, the masses aren't going to be the ones making this decision in the courts. And in this case, we're lucky, judges, by their very nature have far more education and access to the funds to buy computer stuff than the average American, and are therefore, more likely to be able to understand what DeCSS is all about.

Unfortunately, I'm guessing most of these same judges have themselves or had one of their children download Kazaa, and therefore they've seen that the primary use of P2P seems to be copyright infringement... and then to top that off, they're going to link things like DeCSS as a necessary first-step in that infringement chain. The real question is: can the pro-DeCSS lawyers overcome this impression?

Re:Hrmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076924)

Please elaborate on how you can "break and enter" with a key.

The point the MPAA is trying to make is that buying a DVD doesn't give the user free reign to bypass copyright protections

Re:Hrmm (2)

mttlg (174815) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076937)

Don't forget:
  • Soap (for making impressions of keys)
  • Household cleaners (could be used as chemical weapons)
  • Toothbrushes (for making shivs)
  • Mops (lethal when in the hands of Jackie Chan)
  • Surgical gowns (the bad guys always use these as disguises to evade the police)
Clearly, we need to outlaw all health and cleanliness items for the good of the people. After all, I saw these things used for all kinds of evil purposes in movies, and never for anything positive...

Re:Hrmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6077046)

Didn't Jeffrey Dahmer end up with a mop awkwardly rammed in an eye socket? Proof positive that even under monitored conditions, cleaning implements can be a force of evil!

Name calling? (2, Interesting)

absurdhero (614828) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076766)

It looks like the industry is so desperate, they have to resort to name calling and hollow accusations. What a sad state of affairs.

Re:Name calling? (1)

DShard (159067) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076820)

I wouldn't call it desperate. I think they are simply dodery simpletons that wouldn't understand technology if it bit them on the ass. The music industry used to have that problem and then they made business decisions to make themselves irrelevant. The movie industry has some room for more than a few years before they can decide they want to be irrelevant as well.

Re:Name calling? (2, Insightful)

aborchers (471342) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076853)

It looks like the industry is so desperate, they have to resort to name calling and hollow accusations. What a sad state of affairs.

I expect this kind of nonsense from "the industry". What's terrifying is they have a DA doing their name calling for them!

Re:Name calling? (1)

DShard (159067) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076879)

Violation of trade secrets is a civil offense.

AINAL

Re:Name calling? (1)

aborchers (471342) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076943)

I don't get your point. Is it that a DA shouldn't be involved in a civil case?

The issue is before the CA Supreme Court, though, as a constitutional free-speech issue. It's moved beyond the realm of a civil conflict between parties at that point, no?

This again??? (4, Insightful)

Bull999999 (652264) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076773)

Didn't they use the same exact argument when VRCs came out?

Re:This again??? (5, Funny)

krystal_blade (188089) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076892)

No, the argument against "Vicious Rectal Colonizing" is what spawned the revision of personal property laws versus the common good.

That argument still gets around from time to time though.

krystal_blade

Re:This again??? (1)

tomakaan (673394) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076895)

And look how well that worked out for them. Their just grasping for anything and everything to keep them from drowning.

Re:This again??? (2, Funny)

91degrees (207121) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076947)

No. The VCR was compared to The Boston Strangler. This is just compared to a burglary tool.

Clearly the motion picture industry's attitude is softening a little.

Re:This again??? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6077024)

Once upon a time while strolling in a park I asked a geek "Do you have a girlfriend?". He responded with a very puzzled look. "A girlfriend?," he mused, "Who is the developer?". I chuckled and told him this was not an open source project. He then became slightly angry and inquired, "Are you trying to insult me? Only the best geeks use open source only! What planet are you living on?!". I reassured him I was well aware of his integrity as a geek (white skin, clumsy, pants that are too short, lack of daily shower, pocket protector etc), and explained, "A girlfriend is a female who to a male (most oftenly a male) has an intimate friendship." He gave me a very confused look. "I have never heard of such a thing.. this.. g-g-irlfriend?" He asked me, sounding very baffled. "I have heard of friends before, those pets other people have. But what is this thing you say.. Grill?". "Girl," I corrected. Then I asked him to sit down on a bench nearby so I could explain it too him, the poor, helpless thing. I told him that for human beings to reproduce, sexual intercourse must occur between a male and a female. "Perhaps you hear the trolls mention a thing called "pussy" on slashdot?". The geek burst into laughter, "Haha, you have been browsing at -1 lately, haven't you? You know that is just troll talk. Those silly trolls never have anything intelligent to say."

My face turned serious. "My dear geek, are you not aware of the female population amongst you? Do you not stare in the street and want to hump a post when you pass by a hot, slim, gorgeous looking chick with a firm bust and well sculpted ass?". The geek immediately began to appear as if he was having a nervous breakdown. His glasses began to fog up and he took them off to wipe them with this linux embroidered shirt, "I think I know what you are talking about. Those things are icky. They have cooties. Get away from me!" I felt offended. "Nonsense, I pleaded! Pussy is a beautiful thing. A sacred thing that you should strive to give pleasure to." The geek would not listen and he began to cry. "STOP IT!! You are EVIL!!" He then, quite geekishly, skipped off down the path.

I walked back to my house feeling rather disheartened. 'Why don't they listen to me' I asked myself? When I got home my girlfriend opened the door. She was wearing short-shorts and a sports bra. She had been doing the thigh master for the past 30 minutes and was sweating. I could see her dark nipples underneath her slightly damp bra. Oh god I could fuck her to the moon and back. I could smell her horniness the second I took my shoes off. I chased her, both of us laughing, to our bedroom [THE FOLLOWING has been censored for the well-being of geeks].... Six hours later, finally satisfied a little, I sat up and noticed that same geek hiding in the trees. He had been watching us the entire time. I swear his penis had to have been the size of a fucking horse cock (not bad for a geek, i might add), and he appeared as if he had gone into a state of shock. I could see cum stains forming near the bulge of his pant zipper. I thought to myself. There is one geek, finally brought into the real world.
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Doesn't it seem odd... (4, Insightful)

Nu11.org (676686) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076776)

That a tool that allows people to copy their DVD's for their own purposes is "a tool for burglary", yet a gun which allows people to kill other people is a "right"? Null

Re:Doesn't it seem odd... (5, Funny)

Hypocritical Guy (674824) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076799)

That a tool that allows people to copy their DVD's for their own purposes is "a tool for burglary", yet a gun which allows people to kill other people is a "right"?

This makes me so angry I want to go shoot someone!

Re:Doesn't it seem odd... (1, Insightful)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076978)

Like the classic comment about the general offering target practice to Boy Scouts.
Accusec by a female reporter of training the boys to be killers, he observed
she was equipped to be a prostitute...
If we simply boycott all of these products, they won't afford sharks (lawyers), and the whole non-argument will eat itself.
Sure, I own some DVDs, but would gladly give them all all away if it would get these idiots to shut their pie hole.

Re:Doesn't it seem odd... (0, Offtopic)

Oliver Wendell Jones (158103) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076804)

yet a gun which allows people to kill other people is a "right"?

So a gun is "bad", but knives, baseball bats, tire irons and all the numerous other things that are commonly used to kill people are "good"?

Re:Doesn't it seem odd... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076974)

>So a gun is "bad", but knives, baseball bats, tire irons and all the numerous other things that are commonly used to kill people are "good"?

Don't be a typical pro-gun American moron. A gun can *only* be used to shoot (people). Knives, baseball bats and other potentially lethal objects aren't *made* to kill people.

Or do you want to actually outlaw rocks, or even your own fists?

Re:Doesn't it seem odd... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076831)

Hey moron, just because you have the right to own a gun doesnt mean you can kill other people. And just because you own a DVD doesn't mean you can copy it.

What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076961)

Yeah, just because you post on Slashdot doesn't mean that 1/2 is 3!

Just because A is the first letter of the alphabet, doesn't mean that Apples are green!!

I figure that those two make about as much sense as your analogy. What you wanted was:

Just because you have the right to own a gun doesnt mean you can kill other people. Just because you have a copy of DeCSS doesn't mean you can use it.

Which doesn't make much sense either, but at least the analogy is correct.

Re:Doesn't it seem odd... (1)

ERJ (600451) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076867)

Although meant as a flame against guns, I think it is ironic how this guy manages to place guns the exact same way as Bill Lockyer places DeCSS.

Both have illegal and legal uses. And that is the point, isn't it?

Actually, you got my point exactly... (2, Insightful)

Nu11.org (676686) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076933)

It wasn't meant as a flame against guns. It was meant as a flame against hypocrisy.

Null

Re:Doesn't it seem odd... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076876)

Its the same people that say DVDs shouldn't be copied that says guns are bad, aka Democrats/Liberals. Of course this is /., so I'll be modded down instantly for saying this...

Re:Doesn't it seem odd... (-1, Offtopic)

pongo000 (97357) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076930)

Wow, lots of people took the bait on this one.

Can anyone say "troll"?

Null, can you say "constitutional right"?

I don't remember "DVD" showing up anywhere in the document, but maybe I'm mistaken.

Re:Doesn't it seem odd... (5, Insightful)

fobbman (131816) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076982)

Software doesn't pirate DVDs...PEOPLE pirate DVDs.

Re:Doesn't it seem odd... (-1, Offtopic)

FroMan (111520) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077002)

You are right. I agree with you.

You should be allowed to copy DVDs and have guns to kil people. I particularly like the idea of killing the ones trying to kill me or my family.

Re:Doesn't it seem odd... (5, Insightful)

s20451 (410424) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077033)

Although this seems like a troll, it really isn't. In recent years, both before and after Sept. 11, the US government has passed a raft of legislation curtailing and limiting the 1st Amendment, to the general apathy of the population. Meanwhile, any suggestion of curtailing the 2nd Amendment, however mild, is met with howls of protest.

Wouldn't it be nice if the ACLU was as politically powerful as the NRA?

Disclaimer: I am a Canadian.

Breaking, entering, and stealing? (5, Insightful)

shish (588640) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076781)

It may break encryption, but entering and stealing? WTF???

I say.... (-1, Troll)

TyrranzzX (617713) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076785)

We should get a P2P DDOS type of program going, get everyone on the current P2P apps to sign up for it, and assassinate the the major recording label companies 1 by 1.

Can't do much without an accounting system or internet access, now can you?

Re:I say.... (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076841)

<quote> We should get a P2P DDOS type of program going, get everyone on the current P2P apps to sign up for it, and assassinate the the major recording label companies 1 by 1. </quote>

Nah ... the RIAA keeps chainging their web hosting co - 4 times since november [slyck.com] and it's now being run by - get this - an accounting firm.

bad chemistry joke (1)

scubacuda (411898) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076957)

Windows Security: The oxymoron for the new millenium.

Isn't an oxy-moron just a flaming idiot?

Re:bad chemistry joke (1)

sulli (195030) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077014)

Isn't an oxy-moron just a flaming idiot?

No, a dumbass with acne.

No surprise (5, Interesting)

DrTentacle (469268) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076788)

Bunner said he originally posted the code so that people could use it to play their DVDs on the Linux operating system, a practice that was all but impossible at the time.


Unfortunately, with no large corporate backing at the time, legitimate uses such as this would of course be ignored. When large corporates think they are losing money, the government will come down on their side time after time.

Let's hope that uses such as this can be viewed as more legitimate now that the OSS movement has some large backers - IBM and the like.

Likewise.... (2, Insightful)

freeze128 (544774) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076789)

Gasoline is a tool for ARSON!

Just to spite them... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076798)

I wish someone released a divx of the court procedings.

VCRs will be the death of Hollywood (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076800)

And monkeys are flying out of my butt.

Maybe this time we can hope MPAA is correct that digital content distribution will kill Hollywood.

If only we could be sooo lucky

Lock 'em up, throw away key. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076802)

Let's hope the courts put a stop to these hackers and criminals( I bet these evil-doers use linux).

Again, you dont need DeCSS to copy a DVD (5, Informative)

Sigurd_Fafnersbane (674740) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076809)

Again, you dont need DeCSS to copy a DVD, you need it to be able to decode its content.

Making a bit by bit copy of a DVD will play flawlessly in any DVD player, no problem. The problem comes when you want to build your own DVD player, then you need DeCSS.

Re:Again, you dont need DeCSS to copy a DVD (5, Informative)

Sigurd_Fafnersbane (674740) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076881)

One could add that having DeCSS would enable you to rip a DVD and make a un-encrypted copy. In this respect it could be used for circumventing the copy protection. Nevertheless I will risk the claim that 99.9% of the people using DeCSS is doing so to watch DVDs they have purchased for their hard earned cash.

If you wanted a pirated version it is easier to download one than to make one yourself;-)

KY Jelly should be illegal (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076817)

Rob Malda used KY Jelly to "break, enter, and steal" my ass cherry!

Slim Jims (4, Insightful)

L. VeGas (580015) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076821)

I can buy slim jims at my local auto parts store.

Fuck you, Lockyer. (2, Insightful)

sulli (195030) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076825)

California consistently votes Democratic and we get this? Okay, he's sucking on the teat of Hollywood, but still.

"Consistently voting Democratic" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076931)

Wake up, folks.

It's the Democrats who brought you DMCA. It's the Democrats who want to bring you CDTBPA.

And it's consistent with their philosophy of government - use the power of the government to bring about results that we - the Democrats - think are the best - for all of us.

Such as using the power of the government to protect the outdated business model of an industry that gives them lots of $$$.

Good point. (1, Flamebait)

sulli (195030) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076987)

And it's the Republicans who bring us Ashcroft, Guantanamo, and USA PATRIOT. We really can't win.

It's truly appalling.

So that's how... (1)

krystal_blade (188089) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076833)

those bastards got into my house and stole my Do It Yourself Masturbation Kit (tm).

They used DECSS!!!

Wait a minute...

krystal_blade
(I really don't have one of those kits that come in a blue box... Really...)

Re:So that's how... (3, Funny)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076894)

those bastards got into my house and stole my Do It Yourself Masturbation Kit (tm).

They stole your hand? That's got to hurt...

MOD Raven's Post UP!!! (1)

krystal_blade (188089) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077030)

He "gets it"

where it=joke

krystal_blade

So what? (2, Insightful)

arth1 (260657) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076834)

A crowbar, a credit card, a bottle opener and a screwdriver are also burglary tools, but the legitimate uses are real, which is one darn good reason why the tools are available to the public.

Same with DeCSS -- you can use it to facilitate illegal copying, or you can use it for legitimate purposes, like creating backups, viewing the media on devices lacking a built-in DeCSS equivalent, copy short excerpts you are entitled to for journalistic or educational purposes under fair use, or exercising your public right to copy the works once the copyrights expire.

A true story... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076836)

Once upon a time whilst walking in a park I asked a geek "Do you have a girlfriend?". He responded with a very puzzled look. "A girlfriend?," he mused, "Who is the developer?". I chuckled and told him this was not an open source project. He then became slightly angry and inquired, "Are you trying to insult me? Only the best geeks use open source only! What planet are you living on?!". I reassured him I was well aware of his integrity as a geek (white skin, clumsy, pants that are too short, lack of daily shower, pocket protector etc), and explained, "A girlfriend is a female who to a male (most oftenly a male) has an intimate friendship." He gave me a very confused look. "I have never heard of such a thing.. this.. g-g-irlfriend?" He asked me, sounding very baffled. "I have heard of friends before, those pets other people have. But what is this thing you say.. Grill?". "Girl," I corrected. Then I asked him to sit down on a bench nearby so I could explain it too him, the poor, helpless thing. I told him that for human beings to reproduce, sexual intercourse must occur between a male and a female. "Perhaps you hear the trolls mention a thing called "pussy" on slashdot?". The geek burst into laughter, "Haha, you have been browsing at -1 lately, haven't you? You know that is just troll talk. Those silly trolls never have anything intelligent to say."

My face turned serious. "My dear geek, are you not aware of the female population amongst you? Do you not stare in the street and want to hump a post when you pass by a hot, slim, gorgeous looking chick with a firm bust and well sculpted ass?". The geek immediately began to appear as if we was having a nervous breakdown. His glasses began to fog up and he took them off to wipe them with this linux embroidered shirt, "I think I know what you are talking about. Those things are icky. They have cooties. Get away from me!" I felt offended. "Nonsense, I pleaded! Pussy is a beautiful thing. A sacred thing that you should strive to give pleasure to." The geek would not listen and he began to cry. "STOP IT!! You are EVIL!!" He then, quite geekishly, skipped off down the path.

I walked back to my house feeling rather disheartened. 'Why don't they listen to me' I asked myself? When I got home my girlfriend opened the door. She was wearing short-shorts and a sports bra. She had been doing the thigh master for the past 30 minutes and was sweating. I could see her dark nipples underneath her slightly damp bra. Oh god I could fuck her to the moon and back. I could smell her horniness the second I took my shoes off. I chased her, both of us laughing, to our bedroom [THE FOLLOWING has been censored for the well-being of geeks].... Six hours later, finally satisfied a little, I sat up and noticed that same geek hiding in the trees. He had been watching us the entire time. I swear his penis had to have been the size of a fucking horse cock (not bad for a geek, i might add), and he appeared as if he had gone into a state of shock. I could see cum stains forming near the bulge of his pant zipper. I thought to myself. There is one geek, finally brought into the real world.

I love this "logic" (2, Insightful)

st0rmshad0w (412661) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076842)

Ok, so DeCSS is a "buglary tool", fine. And its not legal to make a "buglary tool"? Riiight. If that's the case, then why stop there? How many languages has this thing been written in? Start outlawing the languages because you can make "buglary tools", hell, why stop there, just get rid of computers! Or wait, I have it! Eliminate all traces of human thought, seems to be working well for the California AG.

Politics, duh. (3, Insightful)

mjmalone (677326) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076844)

"Lockyer, who's gearing up to run for governor next year, appeared on the side of the DVD Copy Control Association"

Of course he is on the side of the DVD Copy Control Association, he is on the side of the movie studios... They have deeper pockets and are more likely to win him the election then the technogeeks in silicon valley's burst bubble...

Somebody ought to check the calendar (1)

John Jorsett (171560) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076968)

"Lockyer, who's gearing up to run for governor next year, appeared on the side of the DVD Copy Control Association"

Governor Davis was elected last year to a 4-year term, so that means Lockyer won't be running until 2006 at the earliest. Unless someone is anticipating that the petition to recall Davis is going to be successful, in which case the recall election would be anywhere from September 2003 - March 2004, depending on when the last signatures are turned in.

Logical Conclusion (4, Insightful)

cybermace5 (446439) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076846)

Computers are a tool for burglary, let's ban those.

Number of daily downloads (2, Insightful)

BigGar' (411008) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076856)

From Yahoo News:
However, in one indication of the money that is at stake, Lockyer cited estimates that as many as 350,000 movies are illegally downloaded from the Internet every day.

Does this even sound reasonable?
If each move filled a cd at 700MB then they're claiming that 245TB of movies are downloaded on a daily basis. That seems a tad high to me.

Re:Number of daily downloads (1)

X-Dopple (213116) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076964)

It sounds reasonable, considering that some 4M people are using Kazaa right now, I'd think that a fair portion of those are downloading movies.

Re:Number of daily downloads (3, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076984)

Worldwide?

Take all the irc channels, ftp pubs, kazaa, usenet. Say 1000 sources with 350 downloads per day.

It sounds about right. No doubt he also includes legitimate downloads like divx.com in his math.

Also realize, though that 99% of that is porn. The number gets pretty realistic, conservative even.

When will someone call their bluff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076857)

Get one of the DVD copiers that pirates use.

Bring it to court.

Show that all the damn thing does is a bit-for-bit copy and that DeCSS is completely unrelated to the problem of piracy.

Way to go, Slashdot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076866)

Just link to CSS/Auth in the article text, why don't you. No one ever reads Slashdot, the MPAA will never find out :-) [google.com]

Just for my info... (0)

emo boy (586277) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076873)

I'm curious if anyone knows what kind of increase in revenue the legal industry has been receiving in the last 5-10 years. With all this litigation over copyrights and piracy it seems to me it won't ever go away. Not with this kind of attention and with this kind of opportunity to make money off of it.

Key Picks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076875)

Someone was selling key picks at the dayton hamvention. Couldn't demo them, but they could be sold.

CSS doesn't control Piracy (5, Informative)

More Trouble (211162) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076880)

If you want to "pirate", aka make unauthorized copies, of a DVD, just image it. CSS doesn't hinder you one iota. That's not what it's for. It's for forcing users to use licensed players. And, more over, it's to force users to obey region encoding. Neither of these have anything to do with movie's intellectual property.

:w

Re:CSS doesn't control Piracy (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076935)

"it's to force users to obey region encoding"

Hollywood seems to be synchronising their international releases more and more which makes this excuse rather meaningless.

I am happy! (1)

Karamchand (607798) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076883)

..not to live in the USA. And that's not anti-US. It simply means that some parts of the US' judicial system don't fit together with my point of view which are very important to me. Therefor I am glad to live in a country which judicial system is more compatible with mine.

here's my answer to him (1)

scubacuda (411898) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076891)

g++ burglarytool.c
./a.out

A true story for all (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076898)

Once upon a time whilst walking in a park I asked a geek "Do you have a girlfriend?". He responded with a very puzzled look. "A girlfriend?," he mused, "Who is the developer?". I chuckled and told him this was not an open source project. He then became slightly angry and inquired, "Are you trying to insult me? Only the best geeks use open source only! What planet are you living on?!". I reassured him I was well aware of his integrity as a geek (white skin, clumsy, pants that are too short, lack of daily shower, pocket protector etc), and explained, "A girlfriend is a female who to a male (most oftenly a male) has an intimate friendship." He gave me a very confused look. "I have never heard of such a thing.. this.. g-g-irlfriend?" He asked me, sounding very baffled. "I have heard of friends before, those pets other people have. But what is this thing you say.. Grill?". "Girl," I corrected. Then I asked him to sit down on a bench nearby so I could explain it too him, the poor, helpless thing. I told him that for human beings to reproduce, sexual intercourse must occur between a male and a female. "Perhaps you hear the trolls mention a thing called "pussy" on slashdot?". The geek burst into laughter, "Haha, you have been browsing at -1 lately, haven't you? You know that is just troll talk. Those silly trolls never have anything intelligent to say."

My face turned serious. "My dear geek, are you not aware of the female population amongst you? Do you not stare in the street and want to hump a post when you pass by a hot, slim, gorgeous looking chick with a firm bust and well sculpted ass?". The geek immediately began to appear as if he was having a nervous breakdown. His glasses began to fog up and he took them off to wipe them with this linux embroidered shirt, "I think I know what you are talking about. Those things are icky. They have cooties. Get away from me!" I felt offended. "Nonsense, I pleaded! Pussy is a beautiful thing. A sacred thing that you should strive to give pleasure to." The geek would not listen and he began to cry. "STOP IT!! You are EVIL!!" He then, quite geekishly, skipped off down the path.

I walked back to my house feeling rather disheartened. 'Why don't they listen to me' I asked myself? When I got home my girlfriend opened the door. She was wearing short-shorts and a sports bra. She had been doing the thigh master for the past 30 minutes and was sweating. I could see her dark nipples underneath her slightly damp bra. Oh god I could fuck her to the moon and back. I could smell her horniness the second I took my shoes off. I chased her, both of us laughing, to our bedroom [THE FOLLOWING has been censored for the well-being of geeks].... Six hours later, finally satisfied a little, I sat up and noticed that same geek hiding in the trees. He had been watching us the entire time. I swear his penis had to have been the size of a fucking horse cock (not bad for a geek, i might add), and he appeared as if he had gone into a state of shock. I could see cum stains forming near the bulge of his pant zipper. I thought to myself. There is one geek, finally brought into the real world.
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I've always said: (2, Funny)

cavemanf16 (303184) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076899)

If the RIAA and MPAA don't want to let their movies and music get copied, then simply don't distribute it enmasse to untrusted sources via 8-track, cassette tape, LP, CD, CD-ROM, DVD, etc! It's as easy as that!

Oh, wait... no one wants to go spend $20 to take themselves and a significant other to the movie theatre for one showing of "The Hot Chick," but they'll rent it or buy it on DVD for the EXACT SAME PRICE for multiple viewings? Guess my idea of "customer value" should have been thrown out a long time ago along with my ideas that are counter-culture to the new socialism: Sue companies to get rich!

Silly me.

He's a whore for Big Entertainment (2, Insightful)

John Jorsett (171560) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076910)

Bill "Nightschool" Lockyer is so set on being governor of California that he'll not only carry the Entertainment industry's water, he'll draw it a warm bath and tuck it in bed. Entertainment makes lots of political donations in California.

No problem here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076911)

...when I'm not allowed to watch my DVD's, I'll just turn to DIVX and SVCD.

No, I don't give a damn about menues and higher resolution you'd only see if you're eyes are 10cm from the screen. I'm not allowed to see them anyways.

decss.c (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076921)

Argh, WinZip couldn't open that gzipped tar file. Cripes! [zoy.org]

Its a necessary tool. (3, Insightful)

haystor (102186) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076925)

The argument needs to be made that the tool is necessary to provide backups of data as the physical media will deteriorate before the copyright expires. After all, the purchaser has a license to the copyright material its not just physical ownership of the disk.

Of course the MPAA could argue that copyright expiration is so far in the future that any consideration of post-expiration is ridiculous. And I might agree.

The Boston Strangler Returns (4, Insightful)

Effugas (2378) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076927)

"I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone."
--Jack Valenti, head of the MPAA, in congressional testimony. [edgecity.net]

Who's burglarizing who? I buy a car, I get the keys. Ford doesn't have the right to tell me where I can drive; I bought the car, and I bought its keys. If they come in and take the keys away from me, am I not the victim of burlary?

Too much intellectual property handwaving. Sellers don't have authority over buyer's uses, as some rather racist folks in whitebred towns discovered as their old homes were bought up by upwardly mobile *gasp* minorities.

--Dan

Not purchase: license (2, Informative)

John Jorsett (171560) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077027)

Who's burglarizing who? I buy a car, I get the keys. Ford doesn't have the right to tell me where I can drive; I bought the car, and I bought its keys. If they come in and take the keys away from me, am I not the victim of burlary?


The industry's point of view (and backed up by law) is not that they've sold you something, but that you've bought a license. Which means that they get to tell you the terms by which you can use it.

A true story (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076928)

Once upon a time whilst walking in a park I asked a geek "Do you have a girlfriend?". He responded with a very puzzled look. "A girlfriend?," he mused, "Who is the developer?". I chuckled and told him this was not an open source project. He then became slightly angry and inquired, "Are you trying to insult me? Only the best geeks use open source only! What planet are you living on?!". I reassured him I was well aware of his integrity as a geek (white skin, clumsy, pants that are too short, lack of daily shower, pocket protector etc), and explained, "A girlfriend is a female who to a male (most oftenly a male) has an intimate friendship." He gave me a very confused look. "I have never heard of such a thing.. this.. g-g-irlfriend?" He asked me, sounding very baffled. "I have heard of friends before, those pets other people have. But what is this thing you say.. Grill?". "Girl," I corrected. Then I asked him to sit down on a bench nearby so I could explain it too him, the poor, helpless thing. I told him that for human beings to reproduce, sexual intercourse must occur between a male and a female. "Perhaps you hear the trolls mention a thing called "pussy" on slashdot?". The geek burst into laughter, "Haha, you have been browsing at -1 lately, haven't you? You know that is just troll talk. Those silly trolls never have anything intelligent to say."

My face turned serious. "My dear geek, are you not aware of the female population amongst you? Do you not stare in the street and want to hump a post when you pass by a hot, slim, gorgeous looking chick with a firm bust and well sculpted ass?". The geek immediately began to appear as if he was having a nervous breakdown. His glasses began to fog up and he took them off to wipe them with this linux embroidered shirt, "I think I know what you are talking about. Those things are icky. They have cooties. Get away from me!" I felt offended. "Nonsense, I pleaded! Pussy is a beautiful thing. A sacred thing that you should strive to give pleasure to." The geek would not listen and he began to cry. "STOP IT!! You are EVIL!!" He then, quite geekishly, skipped off down the path.

I walked back to my house feeling rather disheartened. 'Why don't they listen to me' I asked myself? When I got home my girlfriend opened the door. She was wearing short-shorts and a sports bra. She had been doing the thigh master for the past 30 minutes and was sweating. I could see her dark nipples underneath her slightly damp bra. Oh god I could fuck her to the moon and back. I could smell her horniness the second I took my shoes off. I chased her, both of us laughing, to our bedroom [THE FOLLOWING has been censored for the well-being of geeks].... Six hours later, finally satisfied a little, I sat up and noticed that same geek hiding in the trees. He had been watching us the entire time. I swear his penis had to have been the size of a fucking horse cock (not bad for a geek, i might add), and he appeared as if he had gone into a state of shock. I could see cum stains forming near the bulge of his pant zipper. I thought to myself. There is one geek, finally brought into the real world.
[ Reply to This ]

He must have missed some of his law classes (2, Insightful)

mocm (141920) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076932)

when he confuses copyright infringement with burglary and theft. This is an alarming show of incompetence by this attorney general.
His incompetence in IT matters could have been excused, but seems to be on the same level.

Confusing Burglary with Circumvention (4, Interesting)

Anti Frozt (655515) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076934)

Mr. Lockyer seems to be confusing the act of Burglary with that of Circumvention. DeCSS is not a tool for stealing or copying DVDs, but a tool for decoding a DVD for use in a DVD player, i.e. one created for Linux.

This would be like accusing someone who breaks into a car, but doesn't take anything, of grand theft auto. I think Mr. Lockyer needs to spend a few more years in Law School or at least read over the criminal legislation.

The irony, as they say, is priceless. (4, Interesting)

janda (572221) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076936)

The advertisement I got when I come into the comments page was for the Intel C++ compilter.

If DeCSS is a burglery tool, Intel, Microsoft, and other assembler/compiler makers should be charged with "aiding and abetting".

Cease and DeCSS (1)

flagweb (311539) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076939)

This ruling will have serious consequences throughout the web and programming communities.

It will open up the flood gates if the ruling is in favor of the defendant. OR it will cause many more court cases and innocent prople jailed if the prosecution wins.

DeCSS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076949)

I don't care about this DVD DeCSS shit. I watch only screeners andf pirated movies :)

Another triumph of piracy!

Not a PIRACY tool at all (2, Interesting)

horace (29145) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076950)

Am I right in thinking that there is no need ot use a tool like DeCSS to copy a DVD? I believe you can just make a bit for bit copy of the DVD which is less likely to alarm the punters.

There are contantly stories mentioning DeCSS and file sharing in the same breath as piracy. While both may be in conflict with the law they are quite different and everything should be done to explain the differences between the two. ie

File sharing/DeCSS = personal, between friends, not for profit.

Piracy = for profit, doesn't use MP3s, doesn't need DeCSS, run by gangsters

The case against the latter is much stronger and more legitimate. Confusion between the two is very damaging and widespread.

DeCSS just overcomes a measure designed to reduce free trade in DVDs to allow the maintenance of differential pricing and irritate peole who travel a lot.

Re:Not a PIRACY tool at all (2, Informative)

praedor (218403) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077051)

To VIEW your DVDs on your computer generally requires decryption software to view it. THIS was the main reason DeCSS was written, remember? So that people could watch the legally purchased and owned DVDs on their totally legal and legit linux systems.


Copying is also legal and legit for backup purposes. Period. This you CAN do with the correct burner in bit-by-bit manner but such are not in general custody of most users. Copying is peripheral to DeCSS in the first place, just FUD-talk by MPAA criminals and their mob lawyers.

A story of truth (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6076953)

Once upon a time while walking in a park I asked a geek "Do you have a girlfriend?". He responded with a very puzzled look. "A girlfriend?," he mused, "Who is the developer?". I chuckled and told him this was not an open source project. He then became slightly angry and inquired, "Are you trying to insult me? Only the best geeks use open source only! What planet are you living on?!". I reassured him I was well aware of his integrity as a geek (white skin, clumsy, pants that are too short, lack of daily shower, pocket protector etc), and explained, "A girlfriend is a female who to a male (most oftenly a male) has an intimate friendship." He gave me a very confused look. "I have never heard of such a thing.. this.. g-g-irlfriend?" He asked me, sounding very baffled. "I have heard of friends before, those pets other people have. But what is this thing you say.. Grill?". "Girl," I corrected. Then I asked him to sit down on a bench nearby so I could explain it too him, the poor, helpless thing. I told him that for human beings to reproduce, sexual intercourse must occur between a male and a female. "Perhaps you hear the trolls mention a thing called "pussy" on slashdot?". The geek burst into laughter, "Haha, you have been browsing at -1 lately, haven't you? You know that is just troll talk. Those silly trolls never have anything intelligent to say."

My face turned serious. "My dear geek, are you not aware of the female population amongst you? Do you not stare in the street and want to hump a post when you pass by a hot, slim, gorgeous looking chick with a firm bust and well sculpted ass?". The geek immediately began to appear as if he was having a nervous breakdown. His glasses began to fog up and he took them off to wipe them with this linux embroidered shirt, "I think I know what you are talking about. Those things are icky. They have cooties. Get away from me!" I felt offended. "Nonsense, I pleaded! Pussy is a beautiful thing. A sacred thing that you should strive to give pleasure to." The geek would not listen and he began to cry. "STOP IT!! You are EVIL!!" He then, quite geekishly, skipped off down the path.

I walked back to my house feeling rather disheartened. 'Why don't they listen to me' I asked myself? When I got home my girlfriend opened the door. She was wearing short-shorts and a sports bra. She had been doing the thigh master for the past 30 minutes and was sweating. I could see her dark nipples underneath her slightly damp bra. Oh god I could fuck her to the moon and back. I could smell her horniness the second I took my shoes off. I chased her, both of us laughing, to our bedroom [THE FOLLOWING has been censored for the well-being of geeks].... Six hours later, finally satisfied a little, I sat up and noticed that same geek hiding in the trees. He had been watching us the entire time. I swear his penis had to have been the size of a fucking horse cock (not bad for a geek, i might add), and he appeared as if he had gone into a state of shock. I could see cum stains forming near the bulge of his pant zipper. I thought to myself. There is one geek, finally brought into the real world.
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Unrelated comments? (2, Funny)

91degrees (207121) | more than 10 years ago | (#6076994)

"The program DeCSS is a burglary tool," Lockyer told the judges, adding that the movie studios lose millions of dollars because of piracy over the Internet.

Do those statements have anythiong to do with each other? how about this one - "Cheese is smelly and horrible", says Bob Blob, adding that millions of people worldwide are starving.

guten poop (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6077003)

Once upon a time whilst strolling in a park I asked a geek "Do you have a girlfriend?". He responded with a very puzzled look. "A girlfriend?," he mused, "Who is the developer?". I chuckled and told him this was not an open source project. He then became slightly angry and inquired, "Are you trying to insult me? Only the best geeks use open source only! What planet are you living on?!". I reassured him I was well aware of his integrity as a geek (white skin, clumsy, pants that are too short, lack of daily shower, pocket protector etc), and explained, "A girlfriend is a female who to a male (most oftenly a male) has an intimate friendship." He gave me a very confused look. "I have never heard of such a thing.. this.. g-g-irlfriend?" He asked me, sounding very baffled. "I have heard of friends before, those pets other people have. But what is this thing you say.. Grill?". "Girl," I corrected. Then I asked him to sit down on a bench nearby so I could explain it too him, the poor, helpless thing. I told him that for human beings to reproduce, sexual intercourse must occur between a male and a female. "Perhaps you hear the trolls mention a thing called "pussy" on slashdot?". The geek burst into laughter, "Haha, you have been browsing at -1 lately, haven't you? You know that is just troll talk. Those silly trolls never have anything intelligent to say."

My face turned serious. "My dear geek, are you not aware of the female population amongst you? Do you not stare in the street and want to hump a post when you pass by a hot, slim, gorgeous looking chick with a firm bust and well sculpted ass?". The geek immediately began to appear as if he was having a nervous breakdown. His glasses began to fog up and he took them off to wipe them with this linux embroidered shirt, "I think I know what you are talking about. Those things are icky. They have cooties. Get away from me!" I felt offended. "Nonsense, I pleaded! Pussy is a beautiful thing. A sacred thing that you should strive to give pleasure to." The geek would not listen and he began to cry. "STOP IT!! You are EVIL!!" He then, quite geekishly, skipped off down the path.

I walked back to my house feeling rather disheartened. 'Why don't they listen to me' I asked myself? When I got home my girlfriend opened the door. She was wearing short-shorts and a sports bra. She had been doing the thigh master for the past 30 minutes and was sweating. I could see her dark nipples underneath her slightly damp bra. Oh god I could fuck her to the moon and back. I could smell her horniness the second I took my shoes off. I chased her, both of us laughing, to our bedroom [THE FOLLOWING has been censored for the well-being of geeks].... Six hours later, finally satisfied a little, I sat up and noticed that same geek hiding in the trees. He had been watching us the entire time. I swear his penis had to have been the size of a fucking horse cock (not bad for a geek, i might add), and he appeared as if he had gone into a state of shock. I could see cum stains forming near the bulge of his pant zipper. I thought to myself. There is one geek, finally brought into the real world.
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Piracy is such a harsh word (5, Funny)

scubacuda (411898) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077007)

I prefer to call it

(hand over one eye)

ARRRRRR-chiving!

Don't panic. (4, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077012)


It's only a matter of time before SCO [sco.com] decides they own the rights to all motion picture technology and tries to sue the RIAA.

Re:Don't panic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6077039)

s/RIAA/MPAA/g

A huge piece of what's wrong with our legal system (5, Insightful)

reverendG (602408) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077047)

I think that a huge piece of what's wrong with our legal system is the blurring of facts, charging issues with emotion, and obscuring real issues. By saying things like "burglary tool", Lockyer is taking a piece of software and equating it with something the violates the security of an everyday middle class citizen. Admittedly, this is exactly how you should sway a jury in today's legal system. This is also why today's legal system is so fsck'd up.

The truth of the matter is that DeCSS is no more a burglary tool than a Dremel tool, and a middle class jury, who doesn't sit on media corporation boards, isn't going to give a damn about this case. The only way to make them care is to charge the issue with the illusion that someone is going to be "breaking, entering, and stealing" into their house to abduct their kids.

Unfortunately, although Lockyer is successfully relating the issue to something that the jury may be able to comprehend, he's also hopelessly obscuring the truth, and most middle class people aren't going to know the difference between a codec and a hole in the ground, so they aren't going to be able to discern the deliberate obfuscation.

Judges should be educated about technology before trying cases like this, and then prevent counsel from either side from making misleading statements like this. This would greatly even the playing field in the legal arena, and probably stop many of the misinterpretations of the DMCA. If all judges who deal with technology could be educated to at least being literate with the terminology, they would be able to dismiss legal actions that try to use the DMCA in a way that it wasn't intended (if there is such a thing).

Foolish analogies (0, Flamebait)

undone9 (88227) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077048)

I can sum up half the posts so far as follows:

"I have this pencil which can also be used to commit a crime. The goverment ought to outlaw that, by the same logic they use in DeCSS. Now we don't have pencils! The goverment sure is stupid!"


Okay kids, now I'm not a fan of the way IP is handled in the US either. But seriously...DeCSS is not a pencil. It is a tool designed to remove copyright protection from someone's IP.


Are guns a right? Yes. But we don't allow people to own nukes, or certain kinds of guns, either. Why? Because they're explicity designed to do Bad Things, as opposed to possibly being used for Bad Things.


The argument that DeCSS is explicity designed to get around a (questionable) law is CORRECT.

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