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Enough already.. (5, Funny)

thrillbert (146343) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077787)

I've had it.. Okay, I just checked my wallet, and I'm ready to offer $43.00 cash for The SCO Group. I know I'm overpaying, but I just want to stop hearing about them!

---
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

Re:Enough already.. (5, Funny)

russwyte (647849) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077799)

I have a "You won a free Coke" bottle top to throw in.

Re:Enough already.. (2, Funny)

tmasssey (546878) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077954)

And I'll add my Rythms and K-Mart stock. It's worth at *least* as much as the SCO stock will be in a couple of months...

Re:Enough already.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6077826)

WTF??? Mods, this is funny. You know, ha-ha??

Not terribly so, to be certain, and I don't know if it'd deserve to get modded up at all, but it definitely shouldn't be labeled as trolling...

Re:Enough already.. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6077860)

You know, if you'll notice, they actually have an SCO *icon* now.

Meaning if you go into your slashdot user preferences you can disable all SCO stories from appearing on your screen.

Handy thing, that.

Re:Enough already.. (3, Informative)

Bold Marauder (673130) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077915)

I'm going to assume that, like me, he has his user prefs set for light browsing (no images).

This story is actually under the topic of 'caldera', if you want to disable stories about SCO. :)

Re:Enough already.. (1)

Bull999999 (652264) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077975)

Maybe SCO can buyback all the shares of itself once they drop to $0.01. Then SCO can just implode and disappear.

Re:Enough already.. (5, Funny)

Lord_Slepnir (585350) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077985)

In other news, an ellusive Slashdot user named thrillbert inadventently bought up all SCO stock in a hostile take-over

"While we were hoping to sue IBM for millions, we multiplied our chances of winning with the amount we were sueing for, and realized that $43.00 cash was a better offer" Said the chairman of the board at SCO "We hope that with this money, We can give our board of directors a severance package of a pack of Oreo Cookies and enough money to hopefully call a cab before the Better Bussiness Beauru shows up".

Great... (0)

acrolein (113485) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077788)

Let's see how this turns out. All these claims from so many companies, I'd like to see what the final conclusion is.

Re:Great... (5, Funny)

mahdi13 (660205) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077865)

Let's see, who's all involved again?

SCO sues IBM
SCO threatens 1500 Linux 'users'
Linus says SCO is full of it and wants proof
Novell knocks SCO on the head for being ID10T's
SCO threatens Linus if they don't receive the ransom^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H licenses
Microsoft funds SCO, but claims it was 'business as usual'

I think this might make things a little clearer... [arie.org]

Re:Great... (4, Funny)

Rick.C (626083) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077870)

Let's see how this turns out. All these claims from so many companies, I'd like to see what the final conclusion is.

The Sun will nova, engulfing the Earth and SCO in its massive death-blast. SCO's still-undisclosed trade secret IP will be vaporized and that will pretty much be that.

Re:Great... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6077959)

Yeah, doesn't it make you want to skip to about 5 pages before the end of the book. That or go ask Madame Esmerelda for a psychic reading.

First (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6077808)

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The headline says it all... (5, Insightful)

ElGuapoGolf (600734) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077810)

The headline pretty much says it all. "Today's SCO News". SCO is doing *everything* they can to keep themselves in the media/technology spotlight.

Of course, the Novell bit really hurt them, and now they're getting a bit desperate. If they had any dignity they'd just give up now, but we know they don't.

Re:The headline says it all... (5, Funny)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078076)

On the other hand, it's good to see that the former Iraqi Information Minister has found new employment...

Re:The headline says it all... (0)

realdpk (116490) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078077)

And /. is doing everything it can to shine that spotlight directly on SCO's FUD. Who would have thought that they'd work so hard to aid in the discrediting of Linux.

Re:The headline says it all... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6078132)

The headline pretty much says it all. "Today's SCO News". SCO is doing *everything* they can to keep themselves in the media/technology spotlight.

I figure they're using that spotlight to make money.

SCO's stock is way up in the past month or so (from ~$1.50 a share to ~$6 a share). Stock prices are related to the perceived value of the company. People are willing to pay more for the stock of a company which looks like it has the potential to make money.

By claiming that they have the power to extract license fees from Linux users/companies (due to "stolen code", copyrights, or whatever) SCO has just invented a potential revenue stream out of thin air. Enough people think this revenue stream is real and sustainable (probably because of all the press that it's getting!) that the stock price has gone up. That real profit they made this quarter (thanks to MS?) probably didn't hurt either. Of course, that revenue stream almost certainly is not real or sustainable. I'm guessing that a lot of long-term SCO investors know this and have just sold their stock, which was probably the plan all along.

f oh relly (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6077811)

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Very informative article, glad to have read it (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6077816)

Der Bremer Linux-Spezialist univention_ hat vor dem Bremer Landgericht gegen die SCO Group GmbH eine einstweilige Verfügung erwirkt.

Well! I'm certainly glad to have that cleared up.

Babelfish to the rescue! (3, Funny)

Mothra the III (631161) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077997)

That of Bremen Linux specialist univention _ obtained regional court before that of Bremen against the SCO Group GmbH a provisional order

I don't see what ALL this fuss is about... (0)

Kiriwas (627289) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077819)

Linux won't die like BSD did (although some dispute that)... the components in question are not stolen Im sure (well not sure, but lets hope). But even if they were, they'll be rewritten and Linux will continue. Its following is strong enough right now that almost all of it could be rewritten if needed legally. -Kiriwas

Re:I don't see what ALL this fuss is about... (1)

Bold Marauder (673130) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077945)

None of the BSD 'components' were stolen either, and you happen to be mistaken when you infer that BSD is dead. Look into OSX for further proof of it's vitality.

teleconference /. redux... (4, Funny)

pb (1020) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077822)

...I'm sure they're using SCO UnixWare wherever possible, so dive right in, boys, I'm sure you won't /. them! After all, it's *much* more reliable than Linux, right??

now that you mention it [netcraft] (5, Interesting)

mcc (14761) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077941)

Netcraft's [netcraft.com] analyzer says:

Operating System and Web Server for www.sco.com

The site www.sco.com is running Apache/1.3.14 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 PHP/4.0.3pl1 on Linux.

Re:now that you mention it [netcraft] (5, Funny)

TCaptain (115352) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078067)

Quick somebody send them a copy of their threatening letter!

Hot air... (4, Funny)

VCAGuy (660954) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077824)

Don't these people realize that they're wasting a renewable resource: hot air! We could probably produce megawatts from all of this ill wind...

SCO is out of control. (5, Funny)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077829)

Just when did SCO become the North Korea of IT?

Actually, they're closer to the Iraq of IT (1)

Bold Marauder (673130) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077970)

and IBM is the coalition forces which will be met with bullets and shoes (according to Bill G)

Re:Actually, they're closer to the Iraq of IT (1, Funny)

Alan Cox (27532) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078072)

It does seem that way - they don't seem to own any copyrights of mass destruction after all 8)

Cringley, Linus, and Christoph Hellwig (5, Interesting)

Surak (18578) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077832)

t doesn't help, either, that one of SCO's own people made a strong argument awhile back against the whole idea that Unix code could make it into the Linux kernel. Linus Torvalds found a Linux-kernel mailing list (lkml) posting from Christoph Hellwig, a former employee at SCO, then called Caldera. Hellwig pointed out the impracticality of actually getting copied code from UnixWare accepted by the tough critics on the mailing list. "The kernel internals are so different that you'd need a big glue layer to actually make it work and you can guess how that would be ripped apart in a usual lkml review," Hellwig wrote.

Hmmmm...the kernel internals are so different...? But wait, if that's the case how did IBM copy SCO code into Linux...? Exactly. It didn't. Even a SCO employee says so.

SCO doesn't appear to be forcing Microsoft, so I can only come to the conclusion that Redmond is thinking of actually using that license, selling its own version of Unix. I wrote about something very similar to this a few months ago, only then I speculated that Microsoft might build a new OS atop Linux. But why use Linux when they could claim Unix, instead? The key here, I think, is the Windows emulation technology Microsoft got when it bought Connectix. Originally aimed at server consolidation, that code could be used by Microsoft to create and sell a Unix/Windows hybrid that would be a big success if Linux is killed by SCO. And the new Microsoft OS would even be a viable competitor to Linux if SCO loses, since it would offer Windows application compatibility. Microsoft could certainly use a sturdy server operating system for a change.

I never put those together until Cringely did, and ya know, Cringley could be on to something here. It's entirely possible that Microsoft staged this whole thing from day one. That would be the ultimate evil -- but then, again, wouldn't that be just like them? Yeah. ;)

Re:Cringley, Linus, and Christoph Hellwig (5, Informative)

Ciderx (524837) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077934)

If you read all of Cringley's articles, you'll soon realise that no, Cringley is not onto anything EVER.

Re:Cringley, Linus, and Christoph Hellwig (4, Informative)

ElGuapoGolf (600734) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077981)

I think that Microsoft's Unix license probably has more to do with the fact that they produce a "Services for Unix". See this [microsoft.com] for details.

Re:Cringley, Linus, and Christoph Hellwig (4, Insightful)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078070)

Nah, that last part was just Cringley trolling again. He is almost qualified to join the trolls here on /. with his constant "Microsoft Linux" and "Mac OS on Intel" wishful thinking/rumormongering. He just needs to add in a "BSD is Dying" or something about about hot grits to his future work. :)

Microsoft will never abandon Windows for a *NIX base like Apple did, because Microsoft knows they will never compete in the marketplace on the merits of their products. No sane IT person trusts them on any front, from general customer relations (Licensing 6.0), security (Outlook), stability (all products) to having a stable upgrade path (VB.NET). Without their monopoly they are out of business. If they even ported Office it would only hurt them. The only people buying Office for Linux would be buying it in the context of migrating OFF of Windows and using Office for Linux as a temporary bridge product, meaning a one-time sale instead of a revenue stream.

Nevertheless, the monopoly will be broken and they will fade into history. Too large to be allowed to completely fail, but settling into has-been status as one of those big mega-corps that nobody can really figure out what they do anymore, but still they exist.

about that big glue layer... (5, Informative)

pb (1020) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078120)

It exists. SCO calls it the Linux Kernel Personality Technology [sco.com] (LKP), and claims that it "provides a more scalable, stable, secure and reliable environment than Linux can offer today".

...so, SCO, is there any copied Linux code in your kernel? Because it seems like a huge coincidence that your "UNIX" system runs Linux binaries; how could a two-bit operation like Caldera reimplement so much of Linux without some help, eh? :)

(And for the record, they probably could have stolen...err appropriated code from FreeBSD. Also, note that Linux can run SCO binaries, through iBCS2. But that's likely because there's a standard that governs those binaries...)

More importantly (-1, Offtopic)

gazbo (517111) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077840)

Fyodor is a black-hat fucktard. Read the interview (previous story) where he claims to not break into boxes except for those of companies who pay him. He must have forgotten about breaking into SDEM's box [slashdot.org] then.

Wish I could TiVo it! (5, Funny)

SYFer (617415) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077848)

Fantastic! Since HBO did not air the final episode of "Six Feet Under" last weekend, I have been feeling serial drama-deprived all week!

From this colorful agenda item from the press release, "Comments on Novell's baseless UNIX ownership assertions," it would appear that a fun and exciting installment is about to begin!

Will Novell save Linux? Will SCO go through with the suicide? Will IBM get drunk and break a lamp over SCO's head?

Re:Wish I could TiVo it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6078021)

Fantastic! Since HBO did not air the final episode of "Six Feet Under" last weekend

That would be because it is scheduled for this Sunday. They typically don't air shows that aren't scheduled to be aired. If you watch the episode from two weeks ago it said that the season finale was two weeks away.

Re:Wish I could TiVo it! (1)

indros (211103) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078025)

Well don't count on that... SCO will probably try to take out TiVo too...

This Should Clear Things Up (4, Insightful)

moehoward (668736) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077852)


NOT!!!!!

This is not going away. I suspect this will linger for a good year or more. That is, unless SCO shareholders make a stand. Which is just not going to happen. The lawyers are running the show. SCO is no longer a technology company. They are one of these new fangled IP companies, like Rambus. The really funny thing is that it's not even their own IP.

I'm sure they think that they're on to something. But the courts have a way (albeit lengthy) of asserting common sense when the horse is already out of the barn.

I STRONGLY urge the slashdot editors to consider a weekly update, rather than hourly update, on this story from now until next year.

Re:This Should Clear Things Up (4, Insightful)

gregm (61553) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077992)

"But the courts have a way (albeit lengthy) of asserting common sense when the horse is already out of the barn."

You mean like in Microsoft's antitrust trial or how about OJ? Anything can happen in court.

Re:This Should Clear Things Up (4, Interesting)

arivanov (12034) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078068)

Nope. The case warrants an update. If I understand the babelfish horror correctly the German court has slapped an injunction on SCO on claiming that Linux infringes on anything and put a tag on it of 250000 Eu for any further violations. That is the first decision in a court of law on the case.

Actually I do not quite understand IBM. Why the hell are they giving this a chance to be viewed in Utah? They could have countersued in a suitable country, obtained an injunction and got a relief exceeding SCO market's cap in Germany ten times by now. That is based on the value of their AIX business alone (before counting linux and linux related hardware in).

After that SCO would have simply folded in. And we would have all been happy to follow another soap opera

German Courts (5, Insightful)

jtkooch (553641) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077854)

Aren't these the same German laws and courts that had the OSS world up in arms over the Killustrator/Adobe issue?

It's hypocritcal to trash them when strange laws work against you, then cheer them when similarly strange laws work in your favor.

Re:German Courts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6078043)

Yeah, not to mention the Asterix/Moblix issue. I mean, I always figured Germans were pretty bright, but that high court decision's even dumber than ANYTHING that's happened in the US.

Lindows joins the fight (5, Interesting)

Lxy (80823) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077855)

Since the editors didn't find this interesting enough to include, I'll post it here.

Lindows has claimed that their SCO license allowed them to relicense SCO kernel code as GPL. See here [ofb.biz] for the article. Basically it either means that Lindows has cleaned the offending kernel code or they're about to get sued off the face of the earth.

Re:Lindows joins the fight (3, Informative)

carou (88501) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078097)

This was also covered by C|net [com.com] and discussed in The Register [theregister.co.uk].

From the C|Net article: "Businesses, educational institutions and home users of LindowsOS can be confident they will not be dragged into a legal battle." -- Michael Robertson, Lindows' chief executive.

This assurance is based on a pre-existing arrangement between Lindows and SCO. But does their statement imply that other Linux users have something to fear? Have they inadvertently validated SCO's claim of an IP breach by other Linux vendor(s)?

But Wait there's more... (5, Informative)

Cranst0n (617823) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077857)

While this is a great first step.. there is still much more to do.

As a matter of fact, I think the moking gun against SCO has been sitting right under our noses. In searching for information about Novell's sale of UNIX(or licensing) to Caldera/SCO, I came across an interesting article from last march at

http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/02/ 28 /caldera.html

In short las year Caldera(SCO) released some of the older UNIX Codes (they say including V7 and 32V) under an open source license. This means that if any of the code that SCO is talking about is revealed to be in these versions, they don't have a leg to stand on.

Search for one thing, find something else.

Re:But Wait there's more... (1)

SkArcher (676201) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078023)

Well, that link appears to have been /.ed, but if it is as you say then I would hope that $CO would have checked it first.

Then again, they haven't shown much in the way of common sense so far in this anti-Linux campaign, so who knows. It would be entertaining if they have shot themselves in the foot.

Possible Fatal Blow to SCO from Lindows (5, Informative)

bstadil (7110) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077859)

Posted this last night and I am surprised it has not hit the /. communuty yet.

The oft maligned Distribution Lindows might have dealt a fatal blow to SCO [ofb.biz]. Lindows is apparantly in the clear due to contract entered between SCO and Lindows sometime ago. Couple this with the GPL and the Kernel is cleared for ALL even if the SCO allegations is correct.

WARNING GOATSE LINK (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6078140)

Dont click the link in the parent! Its a hidden goatse link! Please mod down!

How the conference will go . . . (4, Funny)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077869)

$CO is wonderful.
All hail the great and powerful $CO.
Pay no attention to the code behind the curtain!
All hail the great and powerful $CO.

Patent laws (1)

mjmalone (677326) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077882)

Does anyone have any info regarding the patent's for code... I mean, usually a patent is 17 years with the potential for a 17 year extension, at least thats what I thought. UNIX was patented 35 years ago wasnt it? What's the deal?

Am I the only one who has seen this? (2, Interesting)

hdc (665183) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077895)

SCO's website [netcraft.com] on Linux at Rackspace? Guess they needed to move it after the DoS recently. Odd choice of platform I have to say.

Re:Am I the only one who has seen this? (1)

hdc (665183) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077920)

Oops- my bad, not at rackspace, just on Linux

/. the phone network... (5, Informative)

beggs (517613) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077898)

maybe if we all phone in at 1 we can slashdot the phone network? ;) >1:00pm e.d.t. >US: 1-800-289-0496 >International: 913-981-5519 >Conference code #: 164628

From Yahoo!... (5, Funny)

NetRanger (5584) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077903)

SCO GROUP INC (Nasdaq:SCOX)
Last Trade
12:26pm $6.66

Hmmmm, 'nuff said.

Re:From Yahoo!... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6078112)

Considering it closed at 6.00 yesterday, it seems to be doing pretty good to me.

YOUR BIAS IS SHOWING (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6077923)

*snort*

to all Lunix fans... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6077947)

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IBM's filing is a way to respond (2, Interesting)

bayofpigs (677513) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077951)

$CO has the IBM's response on its site, a PDF of a fax. It just goes over paragraphs, denying each "averment," and granting things sounding like, paraphrasing: Unix-like operating systems are widely used indeed, IBM POWER chip is more powerful than Intel's, and IBM has nothing much to say as to whether Linux is popular among computer enthusiasts! Their response to Prayer for Relief is basically: response is not needed; if needed, there's no relief, or any relief -- it's hilarious!

A translation of Uninventions press release (5, Informative)

valisk (622262) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077953)

The Bremen enterprise Univention obtained a provisional court order against the SCO Group GmbH in the Bremen regional court.

The order forbids SCO from maintaining that, "that Linux operating systems illegitimately acquired and contains intellectual property of SCO Unix and/or that the end users of Linuxc can be made liable for patent infringement".

The German SCO office faces a fine of up to 250.000 euro for each offence if it continues with it's claims.

Univention had previously warned the SCO Group because of anti-competitive behavior. The Homburger based enterprise let the period for objections elapse.

"We were therefore forced to obtain the order", said Peter H. Ganten, CEO of Univention and one of the authors of the Debian standard work "Debian GNU/LINUX".

"SCO 's unproven statements , that Linux hurts patent rights of the Unix enterprise, upsets the public and harms the image of Linux. So we have had to resist."

The provisional order against the SCO Group is, according to opinion of the enterprise, an important step in several weeks of smoldering controversy in the computer industry regarding Linux.

SCO Group had sued IBM at the beginning of March for a billion US dollars of damages, because they claim that IBM's Linux programmers availed themselves of the code of SCO Unix version. SCO has so far failed to provide any evidence to back up this statement.

Can we /. an 800-number? (1)

Dev Gnoll (677518) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077963)

Did anyone else notice that the 800 number and conference code for the telcon are on that web page?

Why talk about it when we ALL can be listening...

Dev Gnoll

I can'se where SCO is going! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6077971)

Back to the days before internet!
Heck they're probably even heading for the times before you had postalservice.
SCO!
Bring it on!

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To make stimulation smoother and more comfortable, it is often helpful to lubricate your fingers before stroking the perineum during lovemaking.

As long as the stimulation remains outside the body on the perineum, any type of lubricant (petroleum-base or water-base) will do.

However, because this kind of stimulation is often associated with insertion of the finger into the vagina or anus, or both, a water-base lubricant is recommended and preferred.

The anus is rich in nerve endings & participates with your genitals in the contractions of sexual arousal & orgasm. Anal stimulation greatly enhances & intensifies masturbation, oral sex, or intercourse. A good rule of thumb, when experimenting with anal play, is relax, use plenty of lube (the anus & rectum do not produce any lubrication of their own), and enjoy.

Because the perineum is so rich in nerve endings it often feels pleasing to have it touched or stroked. If one is comfortable with being touched on the perineum, its stimulation can be incorporated into a couple's lovemaking to further enhance sexual arousal.

Because the perineum is so rich in nerve endings it often feels pleasing to have it touched or stroked. If one is comfortable with being touched on the perineum, its stimulation can be incorporated into a couple's lovemaking to further enhance sexual arousal.

However, because this kind of stimulation is often associated with insertion of the finger into the vagina or anus, or both, a water-base lubricant is recommended and preferred.

  • Re:Wakeup call [24.174.80.139] by JJahn (Score:2) Friday May 30, @09:06AM
1 reply [24.174.80.139] beneath your current threshold.

The German article (1)

mao che minh (611166) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077983)

Can someone legibly translate what that German article was all about? I ran it through Babelfish, and I swear, it made even less sense in English. I couldn't tell who was suing or imposing fines in what country to who's face in that company or what the hell was it talking about?!?!

Cringely is missing something... (5, Interesting)

CoolVibe (11466) | more than 10 years ago | (#6077988)

SCO does not decide which operating system can call itself UNIX. If SCO yanks the license of AT&T UNIX away from IBM, then AIX can still call itself a UNIX because the Open Group (which controls the UNIX trademark, _not_ SCO) has said that AIX can claim to be a UNIX.

Sure, SCO would like to have the UNIX branding powers, but they don't have it. Period.

Hello Cringley, I'm your friendly grammar nazi (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6077998)

"I doubt it has very little in common with the original Unix licensed from AT&T however long ago."

So, what you're saying is that you believe it has quite a bit in common with the original Unix?

No?

Well then, maybe what you were looking for was "I doubt it has very much in common with the original Unix licensed from AT&T however long ago."

Re:Hello Cringley, I'm your friendly grammar nazi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6078027)

That's not grammar. That's semantics.

Re:Hello Cringley, I'm your friendly grammar nazi (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6078123)

No, it's grammar. Cringley used a double negative by way of "I doubt it has little".

In case you missed yesterday's SpongeBob: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6078010)

Spongebob lays down and acts dead.
Spongebob: Hey Patrick, what am I now?
Patrick: Uhh, you're dead?
Spongebob: No, Patrick, I'm SCO!
Patrick: What's the difference?! Ha ha ha ha
Spongebob: Ha ha ha ha ha

What do you say... (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078011)


Q: What do you say to an SCO employee in 2005?


A: I'll have a Big Mac, large fries and a Coke.

This may help clear things up... (2, Funny)

oldmildog (533046) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078042)

If you're new to the SCO drama, you can play catch-up here [arie.org] in a context we can all understand.

In other SCO News... (1)

jellisky (211018) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078047)

SCO claimed today that they own the copyrights and other intellectual property to the bubble sort technique, the use of the variables I, J, and K in incremental loops, and some text output routines.

"Programs all over the world are using this code from our UnixWare package," SCO lackey Bob Fishey said today after the conference call. "We're not sure how we're going to handle this, but if you ever took a programming class in your life, you might want to talk to your lawyer to make sure that you understand IP laws."

When pointed out that all the 'offending' code was commonplace in many programming textbooks, Fishey replied, "If you could give me authors and publishers, that would be appreciated. We are not happy about this blatant violation of our intellectual property and hope to stop it at its source."

Fishey also mentioned that they were not above calling other software vendors into their lawsuits. "The use of our sort techniques, almost letter for letter, without getting a license from us is wrong."

Questions I'd like the experts to answer (4, Insightful)

GGardner (97375) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078055)

SCO claims that they will soon reveal the alledged copyright infractions in Linux to a panel of experts. I haven't seen the names of these experts, so I'm a little worried about how expert they may be. If someone knew C well, but not the history of Unix, I could show them a 10 line snippet of code, and they might agree that the code had a common ancestor. But that doesn't mean that Linux copied the code from SCO. Here are some questions which I'd like to see these experts answer publically.

Where is the code?

SCO has said that for legal reasons, they won't identify the exact code. But it would be useful to know if the code is in the kernel, or in user space. If the kernel, at least what directory, or section of the kernel is it in?

If it is a header file, in the include directory, similarities are to be expected. For example, the Linux system call numbers are the some as many other OSes. These number are well known, and and have been for decades, and can't possibly be a trade secret. POSIX defines a zillion well-known constants which will show up in most every POSIX compliant OS, and similarities are also to be expected here. Again, this doesn't mean that Linux copied from SCO, rather, that they both copied from POSIX.

If the code is in a device driver, it is very possible that both the SCO code and the Linux code share a common ancestor -- many device drivers are written by the device manufacturers, and given to the OS vendors to include in their system.

If the code is in the CPU-specific part of the kernel, is it something that there is only one way to do. Intel publishes specs on how to manipulate low-level registers to do specfic tasks (start second CPUs, enable memory protection, etc.), and there just aren't that many different ways to do them.

Is the code is *BSD, or elsewhere on the net?

If this alledgedly infringing code is in *BSD, or on other places on the net, this would again point to a non-SCO ancestor. For example, Intel publishes Application Notes on how to use features of their processors. It wouldn't surprise me to find this code in many different OSes which use Intel processors, or Intel-compatible processors. Also, there is some Unix(tm) code which has been given to the public domain, in the interest of portability. I believe that cpio is one of these programs.

Both SCO and Linux use the X window system, which came from the X consortium -- I'm sure there's a ton of common X related code in both, but again, that doesn't mean that Linux copied from SCO.

The last Unix lawsuit resulted in marking all of the BSD code as "clean", so if this infringing code is also in one of the BSDs, that would help to indicate that it is also clean.

When did the code first originate?

As many people have pointed out, even if there is similar code in both Unix and in Linux, that doesn't indicate which direction the code moved. If such similarities can be found, the origination dates would need to be proved as well. Apparently, SCO ships Samba, GCC, and other open source code today, and marks it as such. Perhaps there's more code like this that slipped into the kernel.

bought and paid for (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6078058)

for everyone laboring under the delusion that this
isn't a foregone conclusion, here is how its gonna
play out :

1) SCO will win the case, thanks to a great deal
of funding from M$ to whatever crooked (read: all
of them) judge / jury / arbitrating body tasked
with making the decision

2) SCO will be bought my M$

3) Linux will be put out to pasture. Even tho
any offending code could be replaced in no time,
Linux won't recover from the market shock.

the nice thing about being right is that time
is all you need to prove it

Re:bought and paid for (4, Funny)

Bull999999 (652264) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078119)

You forgot this...

4)M$ will release M$ UNIX

5)The next day, users of M$ UNIX (former users of SCO) reports the first BSOD for UNIX in the history of UNIX.

this is killing Linux, OSD in general (4, Interesting)

Ubergrendle (531719) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078059)

CIO of my corporation today sent out a corporate memo to all IT departments. Basically it demands that any departmental pilot projects involving open-source materials be placed on hold given the 'ongoing legal concerns about the licensing of open source materials'. This SCO debacle, whether orchestrated by Microsoft or not, is killing any goodwill regarding open source products. I can't even get people to agree to deploy Apache to replace our aging iPlanet webserver deployments... "Who owns Apache? Who provides support? How quickly can the vendor manage patches/updates if we have a critical production problem???". Never mind that SunONE support is pathetic, and iPlanet is a dying product line...at least management knows who Sun is.

SHUT THE FUCK UP (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6078083)

all of you.

You're so goddamned annoying.

None of you are lawyers. None of you are involved in any way shape or form. You're all just stupid kids who think they're computer superheroes because you have linux on the old P166 your mom handed down to you.

Shut your whiney, arrogant, pie-holes and quit pretending you have a fucking clue what you all are talking about.

Cringely's Article (2, Insightful)

Brian Blessed (258910) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078084)

Cringely says: "Let's try to make some sense of all this", but to me he doesn't manage to do this because all of the claims are just presented without enough questioning. E.g:

"At stake is certainly Linux and perhaps FreeBSD, NetBSD, and any other Unix that doesn't come with an SCO license."

Which (non-SCO) Unixes come with a SCO license? As I understood it The Open Group permit products to be called "Unix".

"What matters is the approaching June 13th deadline, which is when SCO can yank IBM's Unix license, making any subsequent copies of AIX not Unix."

Again, which license?

- Brian.

New the SCO Press Release (0, Funny)

Bull999999 (652264) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078086)

SCO: We chose Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf as our new spokesman as he best represents the ideas and image of SCO.

DOS on SCO. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6078089)

I know it has been posted before but I think the attack they've launched on the Linux community warrants a significant backlash.

Conference call... (2, Interesting)

Scalli0n (631648) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078091)

To get in on this conference call, they want: 1. Name (First & Last) 2. Telephone # 3. Company And no privacy policy either...hmmmm....

I wonder if... (1)

stephenry (648792) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078095)

With all this talk about Microsoft developing their own Unix platform, i'm wondering if they will introduce their own "extensions" -non standard of course.

SCO is the villain, not MS (4, Interesting)

astrashe (7452) | more than 10 years ago | (#6078129)

I've read lots of posts accusing MS of orchestrating this whole thing. I don't understand why people are so willing to believe that -- occam's razor leads us to a simpler explanation.

SCO is in bad shape. On the conference call the other day, they talked about web services, that's the actual product that they're going to try to sell. But what can they do that will stand up to .NET and Java? Maybe they've got something really incredible -- but it seems pretty unlikely to me.

Anyone who has ever had the misfortune to use SCO knows that it sucks when compared to Linux. Are they going to sell that?

They're in a bad position. They have to make money the best way that they can. This lawsuit seems to be an indication of where they think their best options lie.

Sure, when MS saw the lawsuit, they were filled with glee and they went out and bought a license. But that doesn't mean that they created the situation, that they planned it.

I really think the MS paranoia here tends to miss the point.
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