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North Korea's School For Hackers?

simoniker posted more than 11 years ago | from the if-in-doubt-consult-bond-movie dept.

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Makoto writes "How do you launch a cyber-war with no IP infrastructure? South Korea claims that North Korea is training about 100 "cybersoldiers" per year in electronic warfighting tools and techniques, including writing viruses and hacking. But according to a story at Wired News, North Korea can barely keep its electrical grid up - not to mention feed its people. Even the Pentagon says North Korea's hacker academy is probably just propaganda by South Korea."

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moo (-1, Troll)

WD_40 (156877) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100684)

I R A 1337 HAXX0r

Excellent (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100686)


As a subscriber I got to experience this highly newsworthy story before all of you!

Oh joyful day. Money well-spent.

where's the fp? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100687)

foo?

first post bitch! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100688)

First post!!!

Or maybe it's true (5, Insightful)

beallj (594139) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100692)

Just because they don't have a general electrical grid doesn't mean that they can't keep electricity going to their "hacker compound".

Re:Or maybe it's true (1)

Mr Smidge (668120) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100730)

Just because they don't have a general electrical grid doesn't mean that they can't keep electricity going to their "hacker compound".

Quite true. Something as important as training their own l33t hax0rs for international cyberwars might just warrant their own electricity generator, perhaps.

Re:Or maybe it's true (2, Funny)

jrl87 (669651) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100771)

Your right, but what if part of their training is to try to hack a server on the other side of town before a power outage knocks it out.

Re:Or maybe it's true (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100777)

It's a very restricted society though. No Jolt, no Cheetos, probably very limited pr0n resources....people do need motivation and energy afterall. Do the N. Koreans honestly think they can win? Fah..

Re:Or maybe it's true (4, Insightful)

Alkaiser (114022) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100915)

Just because they're hacker from North Korea doesn't mean they live in North Korea. All they have to do is cross 1 border, and they're in the most wired nation in the world.

Who keeps all their spies in their own country anyway?

You don't understand...look at the evidence! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100966)

1) Electricity shortage
2) Little available food

Obviously, they [North Korea] is training its entire populous to live like geeks [top ramen noodle rations] and use the ultra-low power Via C3 platform. Why can't you see this, beallj? Their power grid is pressed to the limits because North Korea bounced a check to purchase a shit load of computers and is now in the process training everyone to fight the Matrix^H^H^H^H^H^H United States corporation. If they were using Athlon or Pentium4, they wouldn't have enough power! Duh!

Re:Or maybe it's true (0, Offtopic)

MrLint (519792) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100979)

geez youd think giving money back to the working poor would also be eaiser than invading 2 nations in 2 years? But look George Bush does it.

My first time . . . (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100693)

First post!

Training (0)

blogeasy (674237) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100694)

How good can this training really be?

Re:Training (4, Interesting)

yintercept (517362) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100974)

Practicing on slower, clunkier equipment lets you concentrate on fundamentals that people with more sophosticated computers might have ignored.

The goal of such hackers isn't to create kewl programs, but to find clever tricks that waste the resources of others; so working at the fundamental machine level might give you an in. Sometimes having obstacles to overcome helps you acheive your goal. My experience is that people who learned to code on slower machines write tighter, more efficient code.

Of course, most of the security holes the hackers discover have probably been patched, but the fact that you have older equipment doesn't necessarily mean your training is worse.

Well, c'mon... (5, Interesting)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100698)

But according to a story at Wired News, North Korea can barely keep its electrical grid up - not to mention feed its people.

While that's true, they've also managed to turn out atomic weapons, which is quite a bit more complicated than training someone to use nmap. So, really, a lack of a reliable national power grid and insufficiant will to feed the masses does not necessarily exclude the possibility that they're training script kiddies....

Re:Well, c'mon... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100713)

What the hell? North Korea does not have any nuclear weapons.

Yet.

And there won't be a "smoking gun" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100859)

It will be more of a "blinding white flash"...

Re:Well, c'mon... (1)

CowboyBob500 (580695) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100745)

I suspect that North Korea's nuclear weapons are about as real as Iraq's chemical weapons.

Bob

Re:Well, c'mon... (4, Interesting)

Black Copter Control (464012) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100830)

I suspect that North Korea's nuclear weapons are about as real as Iraq's chemical weapons.

Except for the fact that -- unlike Iraq,which did it's best to prove that it didn't have any -- North Korea admits to having them. This is also confirmed (to some extent) by US intelligence.

Consider also: The US is pussey-footing around N. Korea.

Re:Well, c'mon... (1)

Doom Ihl' Varia (315338) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100919)

North Korea admits to having [nuclear weapons].

I take it you arn't a Poker player....

Explain that to the Kurds (1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100839)

And if North Korea doesn't have nukes, they damn well shouldn't be trying to give the impression that they do given their history of murdering South Korean politicians and kidnapping Japanese kids to go along with their "starve the masses" food distribution system.

Re:Explain that to the Kurds (1, Offtopic)

CowboyBob500 (580695) | more than 11 years ago | (#6101007)

All I'm saying is that you can't believe everything you see and hear, including what you've just said.

I'm not going to get all political about this, and I'm not going to say one viewpoint is right and one is wrong. What I can say is that I've been involved in some things that have made national news in the UK and the way the footage was cut on the BBC (yes, the supposedly neutral BBC), gave a completely different impression to what actually happened. And this "editing" was no accident either. Events were shown deliberately in the wrong sequence.

And as for the gassing of the Kurds, you do realise that some historians doubt the official account and attribute the atrocity to the Iranians? Here's an example article. [polyconomics.com] Again, I'm not saying which I believe, just that what you're told through the news media is always a distortion to portray the editor's/company's political agenda.

Bob

Re:Well, c'mon... (4, Informative)

jericho4.0 (565125) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100867)

This [fas.org] site, the Federation of American Scientists, has a comprehensive look at DRK's nuclear program. They're a lot more real than Iraq's WMD. It might be debatable if they have one today, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.

Re:Well, c'mon... (0)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100762)

You mean they replicated 1940s U.S. technology? Wow.

"insufficiant will to feed the masses" sure puts a happy face on years of tyranny resulting in mass deaths.

that's true. (2, Informative)

twitter (104583) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100775)

People from South Korea have told me about all sorts of nutty things the Commies do. They send commandos into South Korea to plant weapons and explosives. You hear about it every now and then where a group gets caught, but the "objective" western media miss many damning details. North Korea gets up to this kind of stuff despite their own people not having enough to eat.

It may be just for "propaganda". Propaganda is very important to them. Blocking legitimate communications, astroturfing and sabotage are not just popular in Redmond.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100699)

FUCK OFF YOU FAGS! IF I EVER MEET ANY OF YOU, I WILL FUCKING KICK YOUR FAT SMELLY ASS!

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School for hackers eh? (1, Funny)

Plissken (666719) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100701)

Would they be employing Kevin?

krazy koreans (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100702)

kekekekeke kim jong is teh best!!!!

I need a school for Whackers (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100704)

I'm not doing it right, some how it winds up all over my keyboard ... any suggestions ??

Hmm...Practice (4, Funny)

uberdave (526529) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100707)

Maybe they can't keep the power grid up because the CyberWarrior School uses that as a practice target.

Come and get me Script Kiddies! My IP address is 127.0.0.1

Re:Hmm...Practice (1)

deadsaijinx* (637410) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100718)

great, just what we need, more script kiddies.

Re:Hmm...Practice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100824)

you are soo screwed now every script kiddie on /. is gonna go after that Ip address

Re:Hmm...Practice (5, Funny)

DeltaSigma (583342) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100746)

Hah! I just scanned 127.0.0.1 and all your ports are open, prepare for the system halt of your life!

Re:Hmm...Practice (5, Funny)

cperciva (102828) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100837)

Come on, nobody is going to believe that. You should have written this:

Hah! I just scanned 127.0.0.1 and all your ports are open, prepare for the system halt of your li+++ATH NO CARRIER

Quoted from... (2, Informative)

Gheesh (191858) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100864)

This [userfriendly.org] User Friendly strip :-)

Good for them. (2, Funny)

Henry Stern (30869) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100724)

So what if they can't keep the power grid up now. If their government-sanctioned hax0r d00dz piss in the wrong corn flakes, they will have a lot more trouble with their power grid, communications systems, sewage systems and whatever else air strikes like to land on.

So what do you think? Can government-spondored hacking (I really hate the "cracking" euphemism, sorry) be considered an act of war?

A pattern ? (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100727)

Link this article with that one [slashdot.org] and you know how the next Korean war will take place (with the 3l337 south koreans this time).

Thank you Slashdot !

Uses (4, Interesting)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100731)

Oh, the Democratic Peoples' Republic of Korea has no problem keeping the lights on at its military bases. It's the civil population that suffers. The DPRK military hoards food shipments for itself instead of distributing it to the people. But hey, the mass starvation in North Korea can hardly be laid at the feet of the ruling Communist government. Let's all repeat together - "IT'S AMERICA'S FAULT!"

MOD PARENT UP (1)

boomgopher (627124) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100935)

This message is not flamebait, you retards.

Re:MOD PARENT UP (1)

rock_climbing_guy (630276) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100984)

agreed - where are mod points when you need them?

Re:Uses (0, Troll)

fdawg (22521) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100999)

This should be modded up too. Moderators forget to look at topics subjectively and without prejudice. Altho the article is about hacking, this person's post can be interpretted as the cause which made this effect.

With that said, I agree that the US had a hand at making this problem. I disagree that the US was in the wrong. Everyone needs to live though. Situations like these are proof that some problems have no answers. Both parties....or should i say ALL parties involved here are at fault.

Trust noone (3, Interesting)

rembem (621820) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100732)

So the Pentagon in spewing propaganda about South Korean propaganda about North Korea. Hmm.. Who to trust?

Re:Trust noone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100842)

Why should I trust noone? Is that what time we eat lunch? Should I also trust midnight?

Spam Training (5, Funny)

kavachameleon (637997) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100737)

"Hacker" Training in Korea: how to spoof other ISPs through your country's servers.

Why Not? (3, Insightful)

Davak (526912) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100740)


Even the Pentagon says North Korea's hacker academy is probably just propaganda by South Korea.


In other news... we still have not found any weapons of mass destruction In Iraq despite our government telling us that they there.

Even if they do have a hacker school, so what? Like we here in the states do not teach a subset of our military these skills. Hacking is cheap and easy way of causing a lot of damage. It's a smart thing for them to try.

Davak

Re:Why Not? (1, Insightful)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100799)

Well, the fact that North Korea publically admitted having nuclear weapons might sway your opinion a bit. Eh, probably not. Leftists have a way of putting blinkers on that would put Creationists to shame.

Re:Why Not? (4, Interesting)

cperciva (102828) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100858)

No they didn't; they admitted to having *a nuclear weapons programme*.

They're trying to make nuclear weapons, and they have the resources necessary to do so, but they haven't yet demonstrated any success.

"haven't yet demonstrated any success" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100885)

Are you willing to give them the chance to actually demonstrate such a success?

Re:Why Not? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100873)

Leftists have a way of putting blinkers on that would put Creationists to shame

Anybody have a troll to English dictionary on them?

AC

Re:Why Not? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100985)

>>Leftists have a way of putting blinkers on that would put Creationists to shame

>Anybody have a troll to English dictionary on them?

Why, yes, I do have a Troll to English dictionary handy. He was merely saying that he was replying to a post made by an irresponsible, delusional crazy. No flames, please; that's his opinion, not mine.

If he was a native speaker of Troll, his veracity might be considered questionable. Though that might be considered species-ist, by the irresponsible, delusional crazies.

Re:Why Not? (1)

deadsaijinx* (637410) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100810)

i was wondering whether or not we do (you sed so, so, ok). anyone have any more info on our own hacker schools?

Re:Why Not? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100886)

So, what you're saying is that Clinton lied to Congress about a blowjob and he got impeached, but Bush lied to congress about chemical weapons and won't be impeached?

Re:Why Not? (1, Informative)

RealAlaskan (576404) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100914)

... we still have not found any weapons of mass destruction In Iraq ...

Why would this matter, to you or to anyone else? Whether or not Hussein was able to successfully build stuff to kill us, he was still able to kill his own people, and we put a stop to that.

Do you think that it really doesn't matter what the wogs do to each other? I think that the people there are human, and it would have been terribly inhumane to leave them to suffer from Hussein and the Baathists.

There were three entirely adequate reasons for the US to attack Iraq:
1) Its government appeared to be trying to build weapons which it could use against us, and would surely have used them against us if it could.
2) Its government was surely sponsoring terrorism.
3) Its government was murdering its citizens to stay in power.

Points (1) and (2) might seem doubtful to you, though not (before the invasion) to anyone who didn't have contracts there. Point (3) has never been disputed, before or after, by even the most rabid Baathist or French propaganda minister.

If we DO find some WMD there, we can all shiver a delicious shiver and say: ``Wow! that was close!'', but it won't matter. Saving the Iraqis from their own government was far more than reason enough.

I think that the only question remaining about the invasion of Iraq is: ``Which tyrant is next?''

Re:Why Not? (1)

Davak (526912) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100955)

Wwwwwoooaaaahhhhh, everybody!

Just because I said that does not mean that I do not feel we needed to go into Iraq.

My point was the following:

Regarding any topic, our government is not always knowledgeable nor honest.

Please do not assume my political views...

Davak

Training (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100743)

It's easy to teach people to blow themselves up as terrorism - "pull the switch, you'll go to heaven"

But hacking? You can't hack into something with just training... you need skill. I doubt some makeshift terrorist camp is going to give people programming skill.

Re:Training (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100780)

Are you racist or just a moron?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Re:Training (3, Insightful)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100791)

But hacking? You can't hack into something with just training...

So you're saying it's tougher to be a script kiddie than it is to, say, fly a commercial airliner?

You can teach anybody just about anything, and given a large enough population of people you can even find those who are naturally good at certain things to begin with. Or maybe you don't think that smart people would ever be opposed to America and its allies?

Re:Training (1)

kaltkalt (620110) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100909)

"study hard and learn to hack, you'll go to heaven"

same thing.

Cave-hackers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100750)

"North Korea's School For Hackers?"

Hack what? An abacus?

I wanna go to hacker academy (4, Funny)

L. VeGas (580015) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100751)

I hear the parties are outrageous. And the babez? Out of control!

Military vs. Civilian (5, Interesting)

DaRat (678130) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100759)

The story probably is propoganda by the South Koreans, *BUT* there is a marked difference between what the miliary gets and what civilians get. The ruling party and the military apparently get an amazingly high percentage of the resources in the country. So, while the rest of the country starves in the dark, the military eats well and probably has the lights on all the time. So, if the military wants to have a hacker school, they probably can afford to devote the resources to it. So what if a few hundred thousand peasants need to shiver in the dark!

There was a very interesting documentary special on Cinemax last month about a visit to North Korea. Sounds like quite a surreal place.

why would the infra in Korea bother a hacker ? (3, Interesting)

Archfeld (6757) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100760)

you think they are gonna do it from a government compound ? Nah I bet they go to a net cafe in Belgium or somewhere totally unrelated. The ability and knowledge is the hard part, access can be had all over the place...

sweet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100766)

where do I sign up?

Reminds me of a certain strong bad email: If you had super powers, would you use them for good or for awesome?

south korea is more guilty (1)

GoatPigSheep (525460) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100769)

South Korea has tons of "hackers" who ruin online gaming by cheating and flooding servers.

Pentagon not always right (5, Interesting)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100770)

I just read "The Armed Forces of North Korea" by Joseph Bermudez and some other books and reports and I don't think it'd be proper to discount the DPRK's abilities when it comes to Special Forces and Unconventional Warfare.

They've shown a high-level of professionalism when it comes in infiltrating the South and they did pull off the siezure of the USS Pueblo.

Sure the country's electrical grid is dodgy, but so was Israel and Jordan's until the late 80s. The DPRK military doesn't usually have the same electricity or food supply problems that the rest of the country has.

I'd not listen to everything the RoK says, but don't discount them as far as the Pentagon might*. The RoK is heavily infiltrated by the DPRK and I'm sure thier "cyberwar" planning would have agents in the South kick it off from that broadband rich area.

"The KPA (Korean People's Army) is still predominantly an analog and vacuum-tube force," said Alexandre Mansourov, a professor at the Pentagon's Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies. "We tend to overestimate the level of information-technology expertise in the North Korean military, and South Korea is especially guilty of this."

That might be true for the majority of thier systems, but the DPRK has been buying modern SAMs ECM, Navigation and other systems from the FSR and China. Some of the more elite units in thier vast special forces have at least Gen 2-3 Night Vision and GPS recievers.

* - I've not read either link yet.

Re:Pentagon not always right (2, Funny)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100840)

That reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask. Does North Korea possess any decent natural resources like oil or is it all rice fields? If they have oil I'd suggest we liberate those people immediately from their tyranical overlords.

Nice waste of space (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100776)

Even the Pentagon says North Korea's hacker academy is probably just propaganda by South Korea

Huh, gee well what a great fucking story then. Thanks for wasting 10 minutes of my life reading this fucking garbage on your webpage, you stupid greasy hippie freaks

N Korea (3, Funny)

L7_ (645377) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100786)

All they have to do is hack into the Lineage servers and watch as 75% of South Korean males between the ages of 15 and 40 go into the fetal position from going 'cold turkey'.

*.*

not the first time... (1)

burns210 (572621) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100787)

So what if they can barely keep the power grid up or have starving people.... The Soviets faught the Cold War and they had people starving too.

Let us not forget that North Korea has also had enough time and money to make atomic bombs... that is quite a few food stamps spent on R&D.

Loyalty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100789)

Once trained how can they control the crackers? What's to stop it backfiring?

Re:Loyalty (1)

JJahn (657100) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100832)

The North Koreans don't have trouble motivating people. It could be as simple as threatening a family member with a painful torture and death. That usually motivates people pretty well.

Maybe cooperation with China or Russia (1)

George Walker Bush (306766) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100811)

While North Korea may not have the infrastructure available, they are quite close allies with China or Russia (their only real allie in this world), two countrie that are quite advanced in its own domestic IT industry, and expertise. It wouldn't surprise me if either or both those countries were advising North Korea on info-war issues.

We should not misunderestimate them. Thank you and God bless America.

This does not shock me (4, Insightful)

coupland (160334) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100813)

I don't think any other problems North Korea may have has any bearing on whether or not they have high-tech hacking schools. I work for a large multinational and am repsonsible for IT in all areas outside US and Europe and the bushmen with bamboo computers and blow-guns myth is precisely that. Goddam Nigeria buys Pentium 4's, you think North Korea still uses vacuum tubes as the article laughingly asserts? Hell, India is considered one of the most technologically advanced nations in the world, have nuclear weapons and a space programme, but have barely 50% literacy [censusindia.net] . North Korea builds 8-lane highways that go virtually unused for future growth, don't think they don't have the resources and bright minds to throw at a military problem they think is pressing. I'm not saying the school is real, I really wouldn't know, but don't subscribe to the myth that everyone else in the world is using Lite-Brite instead of notebooks...

I needed a good laugh... (0)

Travise (657076) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100822)

Working in the Intelligence community, I have had the opportunity to speak with North Koreans occasionally. I talked to one getntleman who told me about the computer science class he had in the North Korean equivalent of high school. He said the learned to program a bit in school, I asked him what kind of computers he had in class. He replied there were no computers, they simply wrote the programs down on paper.

Re:I needed a good laugh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100946)

Many asian schools use this method to teach programmers, dumb ass.

You see this may shock your all American hotdog gobbling ass but in Asia the writing system is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. So in order to familiarize students with the roman character set they are made to write the program out on paper as a drill.

Do as I say... (2, Interesting)

Kunta Kinte (323399) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100835)

... and not as I do [wired.com] .

Seems to me this is very similar to the nuclear situation with north korea. At the same time the pentagon is pressing for new research [nytimes.com] in nuclear weopons they're pressing Iran and North Korea to cease they efforts.

I can see it now... (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100841)

In a game...
Koreandude: Hehehe... head-shot
AmericanPl8r: Dude, you haxor, cheater!
KoreanDude: You calling me a cheater?
AmericanPl8r: Yeah. You suck. Cheating hacker.
KoreanDude: You want to see sum real hackin?
AmericanPl8r: ?? Brb, I smell something bur..[NO CARRIER]

Yeah... as if we aren't seeing enough overseas hacking in games, etc as it is... now they're being trained for more serious stuff? Luckily, Canada is already producing a counterforce [slashdot.org]

Look out... (1)

joeszilagyi (635484) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100843)

...once they launch a cyberattack and we complain about it, they'll respond with threats to nuke everything from Los Angeles to Las Vegas. Remember:

King Jong II is completely insane. [szilagyi.us]

Real Purpose (4, Insightful)

Davak (526912) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100852)

The true purpose of such a North Korea group might actually be to train their gurus with the latest and greatest information... ...to keep tabs on their own people!

While it may be difficult to get into large systems here in the United States and do a lot of damage, it it much easier to install backdoors and logging programs.

One large threat to the North Korean government is its own people. Knowing what these people are reading and saying online is a great step in repressing rebellion.

Davak

Re:Real Purpose (1)

stew-a-cide (324615) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100998)

They don't have the internet in North Korea. They don't even have a TLD as far as I know.

Their "news" service is registered in Japan: http://www.kcna.co.jp

Their homepage (which was completely insane - I hope somebody has a backup) used to be at http://www.korea-dpr.com

And their "trade" website is at http://www.dprkorea-trade.com - like their former homepage it's more-or-less them selling nicknacks for foreign currency.

Wow, I'm confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100861)

Is this happening in North or South Korea, and which one is the bad one?

I'd better switch it over to MSNBC so I can learn about American Idol-err, I mean, important news with globe-spanning implications.

War on Morons (1)

Malicious (567158) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100862)

So they start a cyber war.
Viruses/Worms run Rampant on Windows machines.
Win2k Server becomes an easy target
Microsoft Stock plummets.
The Geeks inherit the earth.

Does that mean... (0, Flamebait)

niko9 (315647) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100872)

that you graduate with a SDFCE (Sum Dum Fuk Certified Engineer) certificate??

What I want to know (-1, Troll)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100882)

Will North Korean hackers make my penis linger?

Re:What I want to know (1)

mkarpinski (409464) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100893)

Linger or Longer?

Linger longer?

Someone had to say it (1)

rock_climbing_guy (630276) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100892)

S Korea captain: We get signal - main screen turn on!

N Korea : Hello, how are you gentlemen. All your base are belong to us.

-What you say?

-You have no chance to survive, make your time... ha ha ha

Re:Someone had to say it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100989)

"All your base are belong to us"

From what is this quote? I see it on slashdot repeatedly everyday...

Thanks in advance.

AC

sample run (1)

MerryGoByeBye (447358) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100894)

nmap -sS www.anything.kp

Starting nmap V. 3.00 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ )
Failed to resolve given hostname/IP: www.anything.kp. Note that you can't use '/mask' AND '[1-4,7,100-]' style IP ranges
WARNING: No targets were found in the entire country, so 0 hosts scanned.
Nmap run completed -- 0 IP addresses in domain ".kp" (0 hosts up) scanned in 16 seconds

Yawn.

North Korean developers are better? (2, Funny)

Johnboi Waltune (462501) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100916)

The DPRK has software development expertise that is "competent, if not world class," according to Hayes.

Sure, but they probably shoot the developers in the head execution-style if they don't turn out a certain number of lines of code per hour. I'd say that's an incentive to perform. No North Korean coders wasting time on Slashdot, that's for sure.

and... (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100918)

With Indian and Russian programmers now a commodity (no longer a low cost standard), North Korea will be the next source of discounted talent. If you are familiar with Russian style programmers, you will see the same in the North Koreans.

There are only two countries currently positioned to take advantage of this new low cost resource... South Korea and China.

The cheabols (large domestic corporations) in South Korea have been positioned to take advantage of the resources in the North for at least the last three years. Very few people outside the peninsula know what is really going on here in terms of technology, etc.

Training...yes. Hackers? Depends on whom you talk to and how you phrase the question...just like anything else.

It's True!!! (1)

Eberlin (570874) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100932)

It's true, I tell you -- I've experienced this first-hand. I was playing Diablo II online and sure enough, these people started logging in and slowing down the entire bnet server thing.

When a game that promotes capitalism at its finest (lidless for an 2 SOJ) gets hindered by a "cyber-attac", the terrorists win!

Just 1 question? (1)

Goalie_Ca (584234) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100934)

How competant do you think these guys will be? In a country like that an expert would be someone who knows what a lan is.
A good degree from a competant comp-sci school and you could probably do a lot more damage.

So what? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100942)

In the United States, there are lots of starving people and there are power outages all the time. Yet, the United States Army has plenty of money to spend on Nuclear Weapons and other kinds of weapons of mass destructions. Plus, the US is the only country that regularly uses these kind of weapons against defenseless countries.

The US also tortures people and holds them in jail in violation of the Geneva convension at their cuban military base. (Which they have over the objection of the legitimate government of Cuba and which they got through an act of unfair war against Spain.)

Yet the US claims to be the "richest" and "most free" country in the world. This is an obvious lie. They are very poor (homeless people all over filthy streets), and have extremely repressive and barbaric laws. Highest percentage of population in prison in the world. Death penalty is applied. Notice that in Texas they even refuse to do DNA testing on people who have been previously convicted for some bizarre reason even though it has cleared lots of innocent people in jail. Basically that says to me that the US which is a "free" country is basically for keeping innocent people in jail.

Their president is an idiot and a warmonger.

Oh, and the US has lots of hax0rs too.

Re:So what? (0, Troll)

MerryGoByeBye (447358) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100965)

Yes, but we also have Puppetry of the Penis.

Not only that! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6100956)

They've also taken over the old soviet program to train children in ESP, so that they can kill anyone, anywhere.

As South-Korean /.'er. (1)

dance2die (596340) | more than 11 years ago | (#6100971)

As South-Korean /.'er, i think North Koreans are not going to be able to teach them cyber soldiers well. It's barely even hard for them to keep their waters or electricities running for gov't facilities... Cyberarmies won't do much good for them though since you know, there should be a lot of freedom cyber armies in the whole world who will be more than willing to help to keep this cyber world in order.

I'm absolutely certain the 'hacker school' exists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6101004)

... in a big subterrainian cave with Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, honest lawyers and all those WMDs.

Actually, North Korea has that and more... (2, Funny)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 11 years ago | (#6101010)

It's all thoroughly explained in this docu-drama [jamesbond.com] , starring current affairs expert Pierce Brosnan.

North Korea has advanced tech weapons... (1)

The Lynxpro (657990) | more than 11 years ago | (#6101013)

...I know because I learned all I need to about that country from the last Bond flick *Die Another Day.* If you watch the movie, you'll even discover how Michael Jackson became white...

Who will win in a fight? (1)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 11 years ago | (#6101021)

North Korea or Canada [slashdot.org] ? I would highly surprised [slashdot.org] if every country with an Apple II didn't have some kind of 'school' going..

Of course, I use BeOS, so I am immune from all attacks except the dreaded, "Lack of Developers" attack. *Shiver*

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