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Microsoft Orange SPV Phone Review

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the sticky-fingers dept.

Handhelds 237

Ian Bell writes "HowardChui.com just posted a review on Microsoft's new Orange SPV which is the first commercially available Smartphone. The SPV stands for Sound, Pictures, Video and you can download games like Doom or listen to MP3s on the speaker or even chat to your friends using the built-in MSN Messenger. But for all that the SPV features, there is no Bluetooth support. It still looks like a killer phone and I like that it is smaller than the PocketPC phones currently on the market."

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GPL'd libraries purged of GNU virus (-1, Troll)

Michael's a Jerk! (668185) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111870)

I have just now written a version of readline() that:

(1) conforms to the standard GNU readline() API
(2) in fact actually uses the standard GNU readline() function
(3) does *NOT* poison your code with the GPL

Because we now have the existence proof that there somewhere exists a
non-infective version of the library API ,this means that readline()
is now safe for anyone to link against without any viral contamination.

Enjoy!

Of even greater interest is that my small proof-of-concept example is
not specific to readline(). All GPL'd library code can be effectively
purged of the virus.

Freedline can be obtained Here [perl.com]

Rejoice!

This guys a theieving Bastard! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6111892)

Hopefully this guy will not succeed in stealing people's
code to use for greedy purposes that they have expressly
forbidden (incorporation into non-open-source programs).

If he does manage to convince a jury that his actions don't
violate the clear intent of the GPL, then users may have
to shun all software that is not open source, or at least
all non-open-source that doesn't certify that it contains
no GPL'ed code via Christiansen's subterfuge or any other.

It's very difficult to purge individuals and the entire
culture of the harmful domination/greed virus. But the
GPL is a self-replicating anti-virus that's beginning to
do the job.

This guys [sic] my hero! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6112418)

If I used Perl, I would use freedline.

Ad campaign? (5, Funny)

mao che minh (611166) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111876)

"Can you hear me n..."

Your phone has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down

Re:Ad campaign? (5, Funny)

jrl87 (669651) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111954)

Your phone has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down

This is assuming you agreed to the EULA which you agreed to by: openning the box, turning on the phone, and then clicking yes to the message that appears (if you click no, the phone becomes inopperatable). Then, after you accept the EULAs you must activate your phone with a carrier and Microsoft, failure to do this will cause your phone to be inopperatable whithin 30 days.

We, Microsoft, reserve the right to use any media for advertising or other purposes that is and/or was on any phone that was activated ... if any of this media is pertaining to Microsoft in any way, shape, or phone, you will be subject to a unlawful usage lawsuit. See article Q!@#$you for further details.

Re:Ad campaign? (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111993)

From the article: no J2ME

Hello !?! Microsoft incorporating Java in one of its products without a 10 year lawsuit before hand!

Over Bill's dead body!

Re:Ad campaign? (1)

mlk (18543) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112379)

I'm sure I read on the JDC that MS are going to be the first to bring out a MIDP2 phone..

Hmmm, MIDP2.

haha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6112002)

genious. I wish I had mod points to off set the fat boy that modded you down.

Slow (4, Interesting)

IO ERROR (128968) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112004)

Seems the reviewer thought the phone was sluggish at times. I'm not surprised at this; Microsoft certainly has lost the art of writing solid, efficient code. As have most of us, unfortunately. And apparently the signal quality sucks, the audio sucks, and the buttons are too small.

So why would anyone buy this phone at all?

Re:Slow (4, Funny)

malia8888 (646496) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112051)

From the article:

Cons: *poor RF * poor sound quality * no easy way to switch tasks * phone gets sluggish at times * terrible keypad * camera attachment could be better * could not get WAP browser working * no J2ME

I guess since the phone doesn't explode on impact or cause humans to spontaneously combust--could give it a go;)

Re:Slow (1)

mlk (18543) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112352)

> So why would anyone buy this phone at all?

It is made by microsoft, thats joe-user hooked.

Re:Ad campaign? (1)

seanthenerd (678349) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112012)

PHONESPV caused a general protection fault in module PHONESPV.EXE at 000b:00000168.
Registers:
EAX=00000000 CS=5ed7 EIP=00000168 EFLGS=00000282
EBX=0000fdc0 SS=68cf ESP=0000629e EBP=0000fffe
ECX=0000006b DS=68cf ESI=819b0001 FS=0000
EDX=00000000 ES=0000 EDI=0000006e GS=0177
Bytes at CS:EIP:
cb 45 55 8b ec 81 ec 00 01 56 8d 86 00 ff 16 50
Stack dump:
68cf632e 056c0000 00000000 da44000a 68cf0002
819b0000 0000006e 14cb817e 2abc2042 00004b48
da440000 62e20000 173f50e8 30425355 00003130 da44000a

Well... (5, Funny)

eightball01 (646950) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111877)

Either the phone is small or his head is really big. Hard to tell.

Re:Well... (1)

pVoid (607584) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112101)

He's got a HUUUUuuuge head.

I bet he cries himself to sleep on his HUUUuuuge pillow at night.

(for the salivating Troll/Bameflait modders, do some research, it's called an inside joke).

Re:Well... - oh lord... (0, Redundant)

pVoid (607584) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112119)

I must add the full quote... man Mike Myers is the best. Enjoy:

Head! Paper! Now!

Move that melon of yours and get the paper if you can!

Haulin' that gargantuan cranium about!

I'm not kidding, that boy's head's like Sputnik!

Spherical, but quick pointy in parts.

Well, that was off sides, wasn't it?

He'll be crying himself to sleep tonight on his *huge* pillow!

hes looking for his 15 min of fame (3, Insightful)

crux6rind (609204) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112367)

a lill bit OOT but...
anybody noticed that on all reviews on his site ,this guy always put his face along with the phone.
like he wanna be famuos or sumthin?

First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6111887)

My phone messages me when to get the first post on Slashdot!

Must be a MS powered phone (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6111898)

Must be a MS powered phone you have there, it was a little slow on the processing.

Re:Must be a MS powered phone (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6112420)

It's a Debian phone, it's hard to type apt get first-post on those little keypads.

Better buttons please (4, Interesting)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111888)

I was deriding the Yopy a couple days ago for having a chiclet keyboard. This thing's got a chiclet keypad. Make it bigger!

Add to that the fact that you're going to get face-grease all over the screen every time you talk on the phone. I don't see any reason to get one of these yet.

Re:Better buttons please (1)

silmarildur (671071) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111980)

as little respect as i have for microsoft I am not quite sure it makes sense to blame them for ones own facial excretions.

Re:Better buttons please (1)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112003)

Maybe not directly, but if you don't believe they are working behind the scenes to exacerbate face grease, then you haven't been watching their slow accumulation of P&G stock.

It should be the DRMSDRMPDRMV phone (2, Insightful)

corebreech (469871) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111897)

Or does anyone here believe the sound, pictures and video won't be slathered with DRM bloat?

ridiculous phones (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6111902)

Is there anyone else out there that thinks these all-in-one super go go gadget phones are totally stupid? Talk about useless, extremely overpriced gadgets. Don't you realize there are billions of people starving in this world?

Re:ridiculous phones (2, Insightful)

LordSah (185088) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111947)

I would really like a phone to sync to my PC's PIM. I've seen a demo of a smartphone, and that was the coolest features by far...the dude just grabbed his entire contact list from outlook. I use my phone as my contact list, with no back up, because I'm too lazy to retype the whole thing. I could also see it's usefulness to send quick emails.

I'll agree with you on the games/camera/web browsing though.

Re:ridiculous phones (2, Informative)

almaw (444279) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112172)

You don't need a Microsoft-powered 'phone to do that. I've been synching my contacts and calendar from Outlook to my phone(s) for years.

FusionOne [fusionone.com] used to offer a free service to give you synch across many devices (including many mobile 'phone types).

If you want free stuff and have a Nokia, you can get software from their web site which lets you do this. Other manufacturers also have synch software these days too.

All you need is an IR-port (USB ones are sub-$20) or a data cable for your phone (which will probably be more than that).

Re:ridiculous phones (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6112058)

> Is there anyone else out there that thinks these all-in-one super go go gadget phones are totally stupid?

probably...even the stupidest opinion will find support somewhere...

> Don't you realize there are billions of people starving in this world?

yes I do.....what's your point?

ffp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6111906)

first fucking post

Anatomy of failure: What Killed FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6111907)

The End of FreeBSD

[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

Discussion

I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

Shouts

To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers that they sideline you. The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean and building is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have their moments in the sun. In the end, we need you all; in order to go forwards we must first avoid going backwards.

To the paranoid conspiracy theorists - yes, I work for Apple too. No, my resignation wasn't on Steve's direct orders, or in any way related to work I'm doing, may do, may not do, or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today. It's about real problems that the project faces, real problems that the project has brought upon itself. You can't escape them by inventing excuses about outside influence, the problem stems from within.

To the politically obsessed - give it a break, if you can. No, the project isn't a lemonade stand anymore, but it's not a world-spanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the more grandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality. Keep it simple, stupid.

To the grandstanders, the prima donnas, and anyone that thinks that they can hold the project to ransom for their own agenda - give it a break, if you can. When the current core were elected, we took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions, and some of you have exploited that. A new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough. I hope they learn from our errors.

Future

I started work on FreeBSD because it was fun. If I'm going to continue, it has to be fun again. There are things I still feel obligated to do, and with any luck I'll find the time to meet those obligations.

However I don't feel an obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now. I tried, I burnt out. I don't feel that my efforts were worthwhile. So I won't be standing for election, I won't be shouting from the sidelines, and I probably won't vote in the next round of ballots.

You could say I'm packing up my toys. I'm not going home just yet, but I'm not going to play unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again.

= Mike

--

To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt

Poor Audio? What's the point then? (5, Insightful)

orthancstone (665890) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111913)

Guy says in the review that the audio isn't that great, thus flushing the functionality of mp3 playing and making its usefulness as a cell phone kinda crappy.

That's a shame too because it looks like an nice phone and has some decent feature.

Apple should make one! (4, Interesting)

seanthenerd (678349) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111920)

I believe, as an Apple fan, that Apple should make a really good phone for all us geeks wishing we had big wallets. They could get Jonathan Ive [slashdot.org] to do it, and put a *scaled-down* version of OS X on it. Plus, they could call it the iPhone! (It has a *ring* to it, yuk yuk...) I would definitely buy one (if I had said big wallet).

Re:Apple should make one! (1, Insightful)

gotr00t (563828) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112109)

Usually, Apple couples a service with each of their products, like the iPod has the music store service, and their Mac G4/iMac/eMac computers all have the .Mac service avaliable to them. It would be unlike Apple to make a new phone without making a service for it or something. Though it would be very nice to see them try to make one, it would look schweet indeed.

I doubt, however, that OSX can possibly be scaled down to the cell phone level, as it appears unlikely due to the heavy system requirements, and lack of flexability, versus Linux, which can be scaled up or down easily.

Moreover, I think that a catchier name would be iTalk, or iDial (as opposed to iPhone, which sounds a bit cliched), something that describes an attribute of the product instead of the product itself. If they just blantently named everything by it's name, then you'd end up with products like iComputer or iAAC/MP3player.

Re:Apple should make one! (1)

mlk (18543) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112344)

IT would work well with both .mac and iTunes, esp. if the "iPhone" could take iTunes as ringtones.

And it would look sweet. ;)

Pros vs. Cons (4, Insightful)

ELCarlsson (570500) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111922)

Look at all the Pros. None of that makes a good phone. Who cares about a customizable today screen or an optional keyboard when the phone sucks.

Re:Pros vs. Cons (4, Funny)

jrl87 (669651) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112023)

I am interested in the technology, but, like everything else I am going to let it mature before I even think about purchasing one.
And besides, what is actually so hard about carrying a PDA and a phone, what did people do before computers?:
Bob: George what do you carry with you?
George: I carry a day planner, phone book, a few rolls of quarters, and a legal pad.
Bob: Why?
George: So I can keep track of my day, make phone calls and produce documents
Bob: Really, I got this new fangled smart phone that does all that plus some ... but it only works for five minutes every other half hour.

he's clueless... (4, Informative)

stewart.hector (87816) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111928)

He is obviously clueless...

"While it seems to lack a little bit of polish as the first commercially available Smartphone, the SPV is not a bad device. "

Erm, It isn't the first commercial smartphone. Symbian phones have been around for a while, years in fact - for example, Erccisson R380 (I think there was a version before this one?), and Nokia - the Brick - Communicator 9210 - and there was a version before this too.

With Symbian you get a rock solid phone and software, far more than MS can possibly provide. Symbian phones have far better security and their OS isn't bloated, as opposite to MS its in pathetic (toy) OSes.

Re:he's clueless... or not (5, Informative)

Faeton (522316) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112034)

Howard's obviously not clueless to this, as he's reviewed both those phones already a while back. Check out his site.

Smartphone (with a capital S) is Microsoft's brandname for... smartphones (duh!). They've copyrighted the name, so that's what Howard means when he writes "first commercially available Smartphone".

I've played with the phone myself, and the OS isn't bloated compared to the Symbian phones (they're about the same). In fact, my Nokia 3650, which uses Symbian, crashes every now and then. I'm not saying the MS one doesn't crash, but don't think because it's made by someone other than Microsoft that it's automagically better.

Re:he's clueless... or not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6112337)

Sony E. used the name "Smartphone" for one of the older "PDA/Phone" jobs.

Microsoft stealing from the commons (2, Insightful)

bstadil (7110) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112346)

Smartphone (with a capital S) is Microsoft's brandname for... smartphones (duh!). They've copyrighted the name, so that's what Howard means when he writes "first commercially available Smartphone".

You make a good point, but taking Names (TM) that already has a meaning and copyright it is stealing from the commons.

They steal the meaning that this name already have. There is nothng wrong with picking a name that helps you in the beginning you just need to undertand that what helps you now will hurt you later so take your pick.

It like the Trademarking of the word Windows. WTF. This was picked percisely because it had a well definied and undertaood meaning. The name helped yuo in the beginning now you are stuck with something that is generic and should be allowed to be trademarked.

Nothing wrong with Smartphone but as a trade mark give me a break. Maybe we need to rename Gnome or KDE SmartWindows.

Re:he's clueless... (1)

Splezunk (250168) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112138)

What about Handspring, Kyocera, Samsung and other Palm based Smartphones. There are plenty out there.

Not to whinge about Mickey$oft, but why don't they try do something that is usefull, and not "market Share"?

Symbian sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6112267)

that is all that needs to be said

Anyone else (5, Funny)

Grelli (98061) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111937)

Is anyone else having flashbacks to Antitrust [imdb.com] and the SYNAPSE network that NURV was developing?

That's just a little freaky in my books.

Re:Anyone else (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6111952)

You are a moron. Seriously. Look at some of your posts.

This is a discussion site, not a "hyuk hyuk, I dun thot Micro$oft wanna fuck my pigs" website.

Re:Anyone else (5, Insightful)

Geek of Tech (678002) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112054)

I think you've actually got a point.

First Microsoft went for the OS market
Next came the browser wars
This was followed by the battle of the servers and PDAs.
Soon afterward came the battle for the gaming console.
Now, I believe smart watches and smart cellphones.

I'm havin trouble thinkin' of anything in my life Microsoft hasn't tried to take over. (All of which they've lost so far. I use Linux, Mozilla, No Server or PDA, Nintendo 64, Casio Watch and Motorola Cellphone)

I don't cherish the thought of having one all-seeing, all-knowing presence touching every part of my daily life.

Course maybe privacy is a wee-bit old fashioned.

Re:Anyone else (0)

danheskett (178529) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112358)

Your post is really weird!

You first claim that MS is this all-powerful company that is going to touch every part of your life.

But then you go ahead and note that they in fact DO NOT touch any part of your life.

Microsoft is just one more company. They do pretty well in some markets, and not so much in others.

Re:Anyone else (1)

mdielmann (514750) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112431)

All of which they've lost so far. I use Linux, Mozilla, No Server or PDA, Nintendo 64, Casio Watch and Motorola Cellphone

Keep in mind that you are a minority. Most people use MS Windows, and most use MSIE, and any market penetration beyond that makes it worse. The more markets they capture, the more your bastion of freedom looks like a prison cell. It's not good enough to say "They haven't affected me" when they're all around you. More needs to be done. Of course, I use MSWin and MSIE, but I'm not buying a MS PDA, or products for any other markets they're trying to capture.

Re:Anyone else (1)

jrl87 (669651) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112116)

In reffering to Antitrust, are you implying that Microsoft is stealling and even killing for the code running on the phone?

Now, let's assume they are. I know the people at Microsoft are thick, but are they so bad that they would steal inferior code? It just doesn't make sense.

Re:Anyone else (1)

TummyX (84871) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112295)

Or more importantly...why would they need to kill people to steal *open source* code?

Re:Anyone else (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112277)

And in the end, after Milo discovers that Bill Gates had dozens of people killed, rather than Gates doing any jail time, Milo will distribute the source code.

That'll teach him! Kill people, and your code will be GPL'd! Take _THAT_!

I'm surprised... (5, Funny)

DJ_CCx (637783) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111938)

...no one's gone ahead and tried to run Linux on it yet...where's my modchip?

This reminds me of a movie. (1)

SphynxSR (584774) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111959)

ANTITRUST, where this guy looks kinda like this real life guy. And he is taking over the airways. But in real life the government is helping. Scary, I'm going to put it in the DVD, I love horror movies.

Semi offtopic - BlueTooth (4, Interesting)

OmniVector (569062) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111960)

<RANT>
Why the hell is it taking PDA/Cell Phone/MP3 Player/Keyboard/Mouse manufacturers so DAMN long to get bluetooth implemented as a standard across the board for syncing devices, which is what it's particulary good at - close distance, high bandwidth traffic. It's beginning to really piss me off since it has the implications to be so useful.

I urge for the day i can use my iPod as a clicker device to go to the next slide in a presentation, or when i can set my iPod next to my laptop and automatically sync it. I urge for the day i can walk into a room with a bluetooth keychain and have my pre-programmed computer automatically turn the lights on and start playing music ala Minority report. We *HAVE* the technology to do all this, why the hell are hardware manufacturers kicking their damn heals so much?

ok i'm done ranting
&lt/RANT>

Re:Semi offtopic - BlueTooth (3, Funny)

ryanvm (247662) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112107)

We *HAVE* the technology to do all this, why the hell are hardware manufacturers kicking their damn heals so much?

You keep using that phrase, I do not think it means what you think it means.

Re:Semi offtopic - BlueTooth (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112242)

when i can set my iPod next to my laptop and automatically sync it.

Riiiggghhttt. So you want an iPod with it's own perpetual power so you never have to plug it in.

Hey, firewire is just on small cable... What's the problem?

Re:Semi offtopic - BlueTooth (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112407)

What are you talking about? 10meter Bluetooth ( Class 2 ) pulls less than 40mA xmitting. We are not talking about WiFi( 802.11 ) here.

Power drain would not be so excessive that it would require "perpetual power" to be useful. Less than 40mA for short periods is no big deal. IMHO.

There seems to be alot of mis-information out there about Bluetooth. It's not just for short range wireless and it's not high power draining. FYI, there are 3 classes of devices related to 3 ranges:
Class 1= 100 meters
Class 2= 10 meters
Class 3= 2 meters

WiFi specs only 100 meters at 10Mb/s and so the antenna must be amplified enough to support this and so it's a power hog.

Bluetooths PAN( Personal Area Network ) is something Microsoft does NOT want to see taking off because their OS isn't involved in typical PAN communications. Without desktop OS support and opposition from Microsoft, it's an uphill battle.... IMHO

LoB

Re:Semi offtopic - BlueTooth (1)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112262)

I urge for the day i can use my iPod as a clicker device to go to the next slide in a presentation, or when i can set my iPod next to my laptop and automatically sync it.

I bet you're not urging for the kind of battery drain that would go hand in hand with your iPod's wireless sync capability. Or the length of time the sync would take if you were moving a reasonable number of songs onto it.

And if you want a presentation clicker and a proximity sensor today, get a Mac and one of the phones supported by Salling Clicker. [mac.com] I haven't integrated it into my home automation setup yet, but the possibilities are practically endless.

~Philly

Re:Semi offtopic - BlueTooth (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112372)

what are you talking about? 10meter Bluetooth ( Class 2 ) pulls less than 40mA xmitting. We are not talking about WiFi( 802.11 ) here.

I've run a Zaurus with an internet connected Bluetooth module for over 6 hours of continuous network access. Twice that with the frontlight turned off( not very practical ). I'm lucky to get 2 hours with a WiFi connection.

LoB

Re:Semi offtopic - BlueTooth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6112376)

The main reason I don't use Bluetooh when designing my products is the cost of the chips. Take a look at some bluetooth manufacturer web sites to get a feel for the cost. It's nothing to sneeze at.

Why no Bluetooth support? (2, Interesting)

tickleboy2 (548566) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111966)

It seems strange to me that there is no Bluetooth support... especially since it's from Microsoft. If they intigrate Bluetooth, they could definitely do a lot of cool things between it and a computer (or several devices for that matter). Maybe it's because Bluetooth isn't widely accepted yet but without the devices, how is it goint to become widely accepted?

Re:Why no Bluetooth support? (1)

stewart.hector (87816) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111977)

If you want a smartphone with Bluetooth, get a Symbian based phone.

You'll be doing yourself a favour - also it can still manage Word, excel for all you windows freaks.

Re:Why no Bluetooth support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6112218)

If they put Bluetooth into it, then someone would figure out how to connect it to Macs with iSync.

Re:Why no Bluetooth support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6112390)

It seems strange to me that there is no Bluetooth support... especially since it's from Microsoft.

Nothing strange about it, they just haven't yet figured out a way to "improve" Bluetooth in a way that is proprietary to Windows. It's all about vendor lock-in, baby.

The BSquare Maui (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6111986)

I read a while back about BSquare's Maui device which according to the article was a pretty cool device. GSM is included along with Bluetooth, if IIRC.

Unfortunately the company can't seem to find an ODM who wants to bring them to market. Another case of good technology getting killed before even reaching the marketplace.

Re:The BSquare Maui (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6112090)

Here's the first hit [infosyncworld.com] off of Google that references the Maui. There doesn't seem to be a speaker and mic, the phone feature is probably done through a headset (blech).

Is it just me or... (4, Insightful)

Dr Caleb (121505) | more than 10 years ago | (#6111998)

He gave the phone 2.5 out of 5 for poor sound quality. So it makes poor phone calls. Therefore it fails as a phone. So why would I buy this as opposed to a gameboy?

If I'm going to buy a phone, make sure it makes phone calls!

Re:Is it just me or... (1)

mactov (131709) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112260)

No, it isn't just you. "Poor RF" "Poor sound quality" AND the keyboard is awkward.

Why would I even want to look at it?

Does it sometimes seem that designers get so excited about the bells and whistles that they forget functionality altogether?

One of the least-cool but most functional gadgets ever invented was the Radio Shack M100 -- even by the standards of the 80's, it looked clunky, it had one of the worst screens in history, but it did what it was designed to do (and actually a few things more -- anyone else ever hook one up to a Macintosh?) But cool? Nope. The darn thing just worked.

Re:Is it just me or... (1)

eye69 (203493) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112288)

"If I'm going to buy a phone, make sure it makes phone calls!"

Would this be with or without your knowledge?

Not the first commercially available Smartphone (2, Insightful)

alwynschoeman (673941) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112013)

Hi, The Orange one isn't the first commercially available Smartphone. It has been for sale from SMART (operator) in the Philippines for the last few months. I do not think it is selling as expected seeing that most people do not care about Powoerpoint, etc on their phones... CEO's tend to make decisions based on their own reference framework and not that of the market which they do not represent.

Re:Not the first commercially available Smartphone (1)

blowdart (31458) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112383)

Actually the Orange SPV has been around for over 6 months. It's not exactly now.

Obscure UI? (5, Interesting)

djupedal (584558) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112016)

Re:Obscure UI? (4, Interesting)

zulux (112259) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112140)

What a joke - he coulden't make an emergency call.

Most Ericsson phones will let you dial 911 or 112 (or whaterver it is in Europe) at any time - even during the PIN unlock stage, before you've entered a correct PIN.

Just like a typical Microsoft product - like their fileservers that come with builtin 3DPinball, Wordpad and Solitaire - but don't actually do a decent job of serving files.

useless junk (2, Insightful)

ravinfinite (675117) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112039)

I believe we have here another classic case of "integrating a shit-load of features into something small and utterly useless".

I guess they'll make a portable all-in-one X-BOX, DVD Player, cell phone, laptop with Windows XPee, tape recorder, CD burner, microwave, refrigerator, dishwasher, ass-wiper and "port-a-potty" device next.

This is completely useless and shows no innovation or creativity. I guess they're trying to take bloated software to the next level: bloated hardware.

Big deal. (4, Interesting)

almaw (444279) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112108)

I want someone to realise that I always carry around my wallet, my keys and my phone.

Why is it, therefore, that we don't see a combination smartphone/pda/wallet? An average wallet is large enough to put a decent-sized LCD screen and a keypad in (after all, many wallets are quite similar in design to a clamshell-type 'phone).

This would be a kick-ass device because it'd have a big screen *and* reduce the amount of space everything takes up in my pockets. Surely it's the obvious thing to do?

Hang on - given it's obvious, I'll just off and patent it...

Re:Big deal. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6112129)

And you could fit an entire beowolf cluster in your typical womans handbag!

Re:Big deal. (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112236)

So you want companies to design electronics to be sat on? Either that, or you want to clip you wallet on your belt. Neither is a good idea.

Sat On? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112393)

I keep mine in my front pocket, so the wallet would do fine there... plus wallets (the bulky sort) can have a little bit of padding and/or metal to protect the screen.

It seems like a pretty good idea to me, although wallets do take a lot of abuse... but fitting the contents of an older Palm V in one should be easy by now. I'm just not sure where it would work to mount ports. Also, I'm not sure how nice it would be to hold a wallet to use as a PDA - I'll bet that wouldn't feel good for long.

Re:Big deal. (4, Insightful)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112276)

Why is it, therefore, that we don't see a combination smartphone/pda/wallet?

Because identity theft is enough of a problem already, without some pickpocket being able to get your wallet, keys, and phone with one deft move.

~Philly

First one, huh? (3, Funny)

caouchouc (652238) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112115)

Microsoft's new Orange SPV which is the first commercially available Smartphone

All this time, I must have been imagining commercially available smartphones like the Handspring Treo [handspring.com] and the Kyocera Smartphone. [kyocera.com]

Re:First one, huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6112290)

"Smartphone" is Microsoft's copywritten brand name.

He's saying that this is the first release of a "Smartphone," hence the capitalization.

Re:First one, huh? (2, Insightful)

bucketoftruth (583696) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112445)

I have a Treo. It is awesome. I have an SSH client, an IMAP client, a web browser and it plays all those stupid popcap games. It doesn't play MP3s, but I think the sony Clie version does. I'm extremely happy with it. I need nothing else.

Heh (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6112130)

I just saw a commercial that said "attention home owners", and I swear it sounded like "attention homo nerds", so the first thing I thought of was slashdot and I had to come and post it here.

Re:Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6112211)

That's what your mom said last night. Actually, I think I know the commercial, and it does sound kinda like that...

damn it you all (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6112167)

damn you all to hell! haven't you seen revenge of the nerds movies? we'll have our comeback! geeks and nerds will rule the world!!

Buggy, Locks Up/Pauses, Why would you want one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6112189)

You'll need to wait for winCE 6.0 before they get the bugs out of it.

Re:Buggy, Locks Up/Pauses, Why would you want one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6112209)

You'll need to wait for winCE 6.0 before they get the bugs out of it.

Redhat is up to 9.0 now. What's their problem?

if the phone sucks (2, Insightful)

BigBir3d (454486) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112235)

That is because of Orange. They are the cell phone manufacturer after all. Microsoft is just providing all the add on cr@p that a cell phone doesn't really need (mp3 and video).

Button size, signal receiver, lack of RF, lack of BT (keeps size and price a bit smaller), those were choices made by Orange. No J2E is Microsoft. Although I am not sure why no J2E is bad, but that might just be me.

First smartphone? (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112280)

I've had a kyoccera 7135 for about a week now, it has built in PalmOS 4.1, Dragonball 33 mhz, 16 megs.. SD/MMC slot, plays mp3s, sends faxes, 3G wireless, all that shit..

Perhaps, of course, that this headline is three weeks late. Quite possible. All i know is this is one cool ass phone.

I been playing pac man on it since I got it.

first available "Smartphone" (2, Informative)

73939133 (676561) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112316)

as the first commercially available Smartphone

Smartphones have been around for several years, based on Symbian and PalmOS. And the term has been around for a number of years as well. Microsoft should really not be able to take out trademarks on generic terms like "Windows" and "Smartphone".

If it's Microsoft... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6112360)

...then I wouldn't buy a product only at SP V... you'd better wait until at least SP IX, so they have time to squash the nastiest bugs.

Call Me Crazy But... (4, Insightful)

aerojad (594561) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112377)

I really don't see any decent reason for packing cell-phones with so many features. How about making the cell phone have better reception so call-drops are less frequent, instead of being able to download mp3s to play them on the cellphone speakers. It's extra features like that which turn it into more of a novelty item than something that could have pratical use. I would like my phone to dial numbers, call people, and sound clear... I really don't see the use in downloading quake or Microsoft patches for security so no one can run illegal scripts off my cellphone if I happen to be using it for a server or something.

Another (more balanced?) review of this phone (1)

Marcus Green (34723) | more than 10 years ago | (#6112432)

http://www.computerweekly.co.uk/articles/article.a sp?liArticleID=121069&liArticleTypeID=20&liCategor yID=1&liChannelID=7&liFlavourID=1&sSearch=&nPage=1

(paste that long URL link together if it wraps)
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